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BigHurt35
12-09-2005, 09:54 AM
Listed are the Braves (Renteria), Blue Jays (Burnett, Ryan), Dodgers (Furcal), Mets (Delgado, Wagner), Nationals (Soriano), Red Sox (Beckett, Marte).

Seems like there is a team missing, one who picked up one of the top power hitters over the last decade, and also one of the top utility players in the game while resigning their best player and bringing back the rest of their team.

Most I can understand, but Renteria? Come on now. I'm just surprised the Cubs aren't up there with Pierre, he is such a great guy.

bobowhite
12-09-2005, 09:57 AM
My bests would be Mets, Blue Jays & Sox.

Worst would be Marlins.

spiffie
12-09-2005, 10:07 AM
Think of it as the best offseason means you did the most to improve where you stand in relation to other teams. We're already on top. We can't go any higher. All the other teams are having good offseasons in order to try and catch us!

God that feels good.

DumpJerry
12-09-2005, 10:43 AM
Look, we fly under the radar and we play with a chip on our shoulders. This, along with no post season awards for players, keeps the chip firmly planted on the shoulders.

BeviBall!
12-09-2005, 11:01 AM
Mets and Braves did the best. Jays might be there, but it's way too soon to grade spending $100 million on Burnett and Ryan.

We did run of the mill... thing is, we didn't have to do any more than that.

D. TODD
12-09-2005, 11:13 AM
Look, we fly under the radar and we play with a chip on our shoulders. This, along with no post season awards for players, keeps the chip firmly planted on the shoulders. I don't think the chip will be there this year. We are champs, we will and have been getting much more recognition so far. The fact that nobody on our team deserved a individual award and teams had more spots to fill in the off season is hardly a reason to feel slighted.

We did fine in this off season, but the champs had far less to do this off season then many other teams. Mets did the best in my opinion, no doubt.

HawkISox
12-09-2005, 02:56 PM
Worst would be Marlins.

Hold that thought just yet...they got back A TON of talented young players. This may look pretty good in 5 years.

Max Power
12-09-2005, 04:40 PM
Hold that thought just yet...they got back A TON of talented young players. This may look pretty good in 5 years.

Hope the fans in Las Vegas enjoy it.

lostletters
12-09-2005, 05:07 PM
Hope the fans in Las Vegas enjoy it.

Or Portland, OR.

TomBradley72
12-09-2005, 06:05 PM
Maybe it's just too overwhelming to comprehend that the team that was in 1st place wire to wire...and dominated the post season...also has had a tremendous off season by converting Thomas/Everett into Thome, replaced Blum with Machowiak, re-signed PK, and kept their entire infield, starting rotation and most of their bullpen intact.Oh....and ticket sales are going through the roof...so they look to be in good shape for a while. :cool:

batmanZoSo
12-09-2005, 06:08 PM
Look, we got an aging slugger who was hurt last year and a fine utility man. I understand why we haven't opened anyone's eyes with the offseason we've had. The fact of the matter is, there wasn't much to do.

SoxEd
12-09-2005, 06:15 PM
On the main UK baseball fans' forum, one of the American journos who posts articles there lists the 'Winners' in the Trades so far this off-season as the Mets, Carmines, and Palehose.

Last year he was the only guy I saw anywhere who picked the Sox to do well...

Jjav829
12-09-2005, 06:39 PM
Jayson Stark did a Winners/Losers of the winter meetings column. He lists the Blue Jays, Mets and sub.-500 pitchers as the winners. But he also does a few "other" winners besides his main 3. He says the other winners are the Marlins (for conducting their fire sale well), the Padres (for getting Giles/Hoffman back cheaply, Anna Benson (for not having to move to KC) and lastly (though he lists it first):

White Sox (World Series Champ Division): Most of their work was done before they ever arrived at the winter meetings. But adding Jim Thome (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=4762), hanging onto Paul Konerko (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5908) and dumping Ozzie Guillen's least favorite left-hander (Damaso Marte (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6261)) for the useful and versatile Rob Mackowiak (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6725) puts them in position to wreak havoc on the AL Central again next year.

soxinem1
12-09-2005, 07:58 PM
In 1983, LaRussa was Manager of the Year, Hoyt won Cy Young (Dotson was 4th), Kittle was ROY, Fisk 3rd in MVP, Team led ML in runs scored.

Result: 1 win, three runs scored in playoffs

In 1993, LaMont is Manager of the Year, Big Hurt MVP, McDowell won the Cy Young.

Result: Sox lose to Toronto in six.

In 2000, Sox led the league in runs (team record) had five players score 100 runs and hit 20+ HR, Manuel was the Manager of the Year.

Result: Sox swept by Seattle

In 1990, one of my favorite Sox teams ever, led in nothing except hustle, Thigpen's 57 saves, and caught stealing. They won 94 games and only a high flying Oakland team stopped them from being one of the biggest rags to riches stories in MLB history. They didn't win anything, but they made Oakland sweat for a few months and laid the groundwork for the 91-94 contenders.

This year, other than the four All-Stars and Guillen being Manager of the Year, Sox players were shut out of any individual awards, but they did get something any real player would gladly trade in his trophies for.....

A WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONSHIP!!

MERCY!

LET THE FOOLS HAVE THEIR AWARDS, WE HAVE THE ULTIMATE!

RedPinStripes
12-09-2005, 10:14 PM
What's funny is, all espn talks about is how great an offseason the Mets had so far. They don't realize that the Mets just spent a **** load of money again to still suck.

isu24guy
12-10-2005, 02:18 AM
In 1983, LaRussa was Manager of the Year, Hoyt won Cy Young (Dotson was 4th), Kittle was ROY, Fisk 3rd in MVP, Team led ML in runs scored.

Result: 1 win, three runs scored in playoffs

In 1993, LaMont is Manager of the Year, Big Hurt MVP, McDowell won the Cy Young.

Result: Sox lose to Toronto in six.

In 2000, Sox led the league in runs (team record) had five players score 100 runs and hit 20+ HR, Manuel was the Manager of the Year.

Result: Sox swept by Seattle

In 1990, one of my favorite Sox teams ever, led in nothing except hustle, Thigpen's 57 saves, and caught stealing. They won 94 games and only a high flying Oakland team stopped them from being one of the biggest rags to riches stories in MLB history. They didn't win anything, but they made Oakland sweat for a few months and laid the groundwork for the 91-94 contenders.

This year, other than the four All-Stars and Guillen being Manager of the Year, Sox players were shut out of any individual awards, but they did get something any real player would gladly trade in his trophies for.....

A WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONSHIP!!

MERCY!

LET THE FOOLS HAVE THEIR AWARDS, WE HAVE THE ULTIMATE!

TOUCHE!!!

SoxSpeed22
12-10-2005, 02:27 AM
Just 'cuz we didn't spend a ****load of money, don't mean nothin'. We did what we had to do, and that means getting a lefty power hitter and keeping Paulie.

Fredsox
12-10-2005, 07:40 AM
Did you check out John Donavan at SI? http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/john_donovan/12/09/meetings.wrap/index.html

Chicago White Sox
Give general manager Kenny Williams credit. It would be easy to hold on to that winning hand, but Williams got right back in the game. Before the winter meetings, he traded for slugger Jim Thome, who, if healthy, could be the best DH in the American League. Then Williams re-signed first baseman Paul Konerko. In Dallas, the Sox added utility man Rob Mackowiak. Watch out.