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gbergman
12-08-2005, 08:58 PM
how about trade Jon Garland get back Rowand and one prospect. My reason is 1 Garlands year reminds me to much of Loaizas 2003. Cy Young calliber year (with collapse at end) then just blows ass next season. I mean i really think we let a multiple gold glover possible mvp for a guy who probably only has a few more solid years left in him if he stays healthy. I mean we traded rowand away for a major risk in thome if his injury returns

Chisox003
12-08-2005, 08:59 PM
:roflmao:

Where to begin.....

delben91
12-08-2005, 09:00 PM
multiple gold glover possible mvp

Multiple gold glover you could probably sell me on.

However, I don't think even the most ardent Rowand fan would say he's a potential MVP candidate.

As for the subject of the post...no way. Garland is too valuable to the 2006 White Sox. If he leaves as a FA, he leaves, but the goal is to win in 2006, not worry about 2007 at the expense of the present.

fusillirob1983
12-08-2005, 09:01 PM
This seems like a downgrade from that Garland for Abreu thread yesterday. I still don't know who our 5th starter would be if we got rid of Garland.

Crede_Fan
12-08-2005, 09:04 PM
Are you nuts?

HotelWhiteSox
12-08-2005, 09:04 PM
:threadsucks

ChiWhiteSox1337
12-08-2005, 09:05 PM
I just don't think it's a fair comparison. The Sox brought Loaiza in as a minor league invitee, while Garland was a top 10 overall draft pick and was a very hyped up prospect before joining the White Sox. Garland showed flashes under Jerry Manuel, but I think with Guillen's confidence, Garland finally got everything together to have a really nice season. It also helped that Garland came into the 2005 season as the FIFTH starter, something that was a first for him. For his first few years on the Sox, he was expected to pitch as a #2 or #3 type guy.

Palehose13
12-08-2005, 09:09 PM
This seems like a downgrade from that Garland for Abreu thread yesterday. I still don't know who our 5th starter would be if we got rid of Garland.

I'm not advocating for this ridiculous trade idea, but in regards to starters:

From whitesox.com:

There really is nothing specific on the docket, per se. Williams made it clear that the team intends to enter Spring Training with six starting pitchers, so both Orlando "El Duque" Hernandez and Brandon McCarthy should still be with the organization in Arizona.

fusillirob1983
12-08-2005, 09:13 PM
I'm not advocating for this ridiculous trade idea, but in regards to starters:

From whitesox.com:

I know they still have El Duque, but it seems like his arm might fall off.

NeverForget42
12-08-2005, 09:21 PM
thats ridiculous

has any team ever traded a player and then traded for them back in the same offseason before?

if not

it makes perfect sense

SOXSINCE'70
12-08-2005, 09:32 PM
Ozzie Guillen spent 2 years convincing this "keed" he could
be a big league pitcher and now the Sox should trade him??
NOT!! Look,history has proven it takes some pitchers longer
to mature than others;the 2 best examples that come to mind are
Sandy Koufax (who didn't become anywhere near dominant until
the age of 26) and Randy Johnson (who finally caught on around
29-30). Both pitchers were known as guys who could strike you
out or walk the ballpark.In Koufax's case,the Dodgers traded for
catcher Norm Sherry who finally convinced Sandy that he didn't
have to strike out the ballpark.In Johnson's case,he had a heart to
heart with Nolan Ryan that helped straighten him out.Garland won
18 games this year (2005).You can attribute a lot of those W's
to veteran catchers Chris Widger and A.J. Pierzynski.Both men helped
Garland mature,and it appears he finally may understand how to pitch
in the big leagues (crooss your fingers).

Trading Garland now would be suicidal.Let's see how he pitches the year
before he becomes a free agent.I hope the Sox are working on a multi
year deal with Garland.Arbitration is an ugly process.Check out
Torn Labrum's column this week if you don't believe me.

samram
12-08-2005, 09:34 PM
So the idea is to trade a 26 year-old starting pitcher coming off his best season for a 28 year-old, slightly above average centerfielder who plays a position that would currently be filled with more able players? Huh.

DumpJerry
12-08-2005, 09:36 PM
I know they still have El Duque, but it seems like his arm might fall off.
Boston wishes that would have happened about 8 weeks ago......

LuvSox
12-08-2005, 09:37 PM
:roflmao:

Where to begin.....

I'm starting with WOW :?:

TomBradley72
12-08-2005, 09:44 PM
(with collapse at end) then just blows ass next season.

Not sure if 1-0 with a 2.25 ERA over two starts in the post season was "collapsing"...pretty much shut down the Angels and the Astros. His ERA was 3.70 after the All Star break...he was wearing down a little in Aug/Sept...had a few great starts against Miinn, Cle, and Det down the stretch and he obviously got his second wind in October. Garland has developed steadily year by year....at 26 years old....he's entering his prime. I think he will be one of the premier pitchers in the league (barring injury) over the next 4-5 years.

buehrle4cy05
12-08-2005, 09:47 PM
While were at it, let's re-trade for Carlos Lee, too.

veeter
12-08-2005, 09:57 PM
Where's the bong?

jerrykrause4pres
12-08-2005, 10:00 PM
Wait.....Is he being serious?

JB98
12-08-2005, 10:16 PM
how about trade Jon Garland get back Rowand and one prospect. My reason is 1 Garlands year reminds me to much of Loaizas 2003. Cy Young calliber year (with collapse at end) then just blows ass next season. I mean i really think we let a multiple gold glover possible mvp for a guy who probably only has a few more solid years left in him if he stays healthy. I mean we traded rowand away for a major risk in thome if his injury returns

I predict that Aaron Rowand will never win a gold glove. I predict that Aaron Rowand will never win the MVP. Rowand will consistently go .270/15/60. That's about it.

TheDarkGundam
12-08-2005, 10:21 PM
http://www.simpsonsweb.com/img-news/196.jpg
"Worst idea ever!"

SoxRulecubsdrool
12-08-2005, 10:43 PM
:smokin: Are you high?

CLR01
12-08-2005, 10:53 PM
You just have to love those Rowand fans. If Garland isn't enough included Buehrle, Thome and Konerko.

gowhitesox
12-08-2005, 10:57 PM
how about trade Jon Garland get back Rowand and one prospect. My reason is 1 Garlands year reminds me to much of Loaizas 2003. Cy Young calliber year (with collapse at end) then just blows ass next season. I mean i really think we let a multiple gold glover possible mvp for a guy who probably only has a few more solid years left in him if he stays healthy. I mean we traded rowand away for a major risk in thome if his injury returns

NO WAY!!!

Tragg
12-08-2005, 11:08 PM
The gist of this trade is that the Sox would trade Garland and a prospect for Jim Thome. Ridiculous. As ridiculous as Garland for Rowand and a prospect - we traded Rowand for a reason.

Brian26
12-08-2005, 11:17 PM
thats ridiculous

has any team ever traded a player and then traded for them back in the same offseason before?

Without cheating to look it up, I think Hawk did this one time in '85 when he was the GM. I'm almost positive that he traded for Ron Hassey from the Yankees and then traded him right back before the season. I might be thinking of another catcher, Scott Bradley. I'll have to look it up now.

Brian26
12-08-2005, 11:20 PM
Without cheating to look it up, I think Hawk did this one time in '85 when he was the GM. I'm almost positive that he traded for Ron Hassey from the Yankees and then traded him right back before the season. I might be thinking of another catcher, Scott Bradley. I'll have to look it up now.

:hawk

"I Luv Retrosheet!"

Ron Hassey:

Traded by New York Yankees (http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/TM_NYA1985.htm) with Joe Cowley (http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/Pcowlj001.htm) to Chicago White Sox (http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/TM_CHA1985.htm) in exchange for
Britt Burns (http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/Pburnb001.htm), Mike Soper and Glen Braxton (December 12, 1985 (http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/12121985.htm)).

Traded by Chicago White Sox (http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/TM_CHA1986.htm) with Chris Alvarez, Eric Schmidt and Matt Winters (http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/Pwintm001.htm) to New
York Yankees (http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/TM_NYA1986.htm) in exchange for Neil Allen (http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/Pallen001.htm), Scott Bradley (http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/Pbrads001.htm), Glen Braxton and cash
(February 13, 1986 (http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/02131986.htm)).

Traded by New York Yankees (http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/TM_NYA1986.htm) with Carlos Martinez (http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/Pmartc002.htm) and a player to be named later to
Chicago White Sox (http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/TM_CHA1986.htm) in exchange for Ron Kittle (http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/Pkittr001.htm), Wayne Tolleson (http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/Ptollw001.htm) and Joel Skinner (http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/Pskinj001.htm) (July
30, 1986 (http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/07301986.htm)); Chicago White Sox (http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/TM_CHA1986.htm) received Bill Lindsey (http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/Plindb001.htm) (December 24, 1986 (http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/12241986.htm)).

voodoochile
12-08-2005, 11:41 PM
I'm starting with WOW :?:

And I'm finishing with

"Wow... that may be the dumbest ****ing idea I've ever read on these boards...":rolleyes:

TDog
12-09-2005, 10:16 AM
You may have noticed that the Sox didn't send Garland to the Phillies for Thome in the first place.

Tragg
12-09-2005, 10:49 PM
Without cheating to look it up, I think Hawk did this one time in '85 when he was the GM. I'm almost positive that he traded for Ron Hassey from the Yankees and then traded him right back before the season. I might be thinking of another catcher, Scott Bradley. I'll have to look it up now.
I think Hawk traded Ron Hassey about 6 times.

I do remember the Sox swapping Ron Hansen for Tim Cullen; the next season, they swapped them back.

Blob
12-09-2005, 11:04 PM
I hate the off season...

TaylorStSox
12-10-2005, 12:16 AM
This has to be the worst trade proposal I've ever seen mentioned on this site. It seriously made me laugh though.

Remember the days when the debate was over whether Rowand was legit 4th OF?

FarWestChicago
12-10-2005, 12:31 AM
You just have to love those Rowand fans. If Garland isn't enough included Buehrle, Thome and Konerko.Can we ban people for being so incredibly and hopelessly clueless they are an embarrassment to the site? :redneck

ShoelessJoeS
12-10-2005, 12:45 AM
Can we ban people for being so incredibly and hopelessly clueless they are an embarrassment to the site? :redneck
Please do :cool:

CLR01
12-10-2005, 01:46 AM
Can we ban people for being so incredibly and hopelessly clueless they are an embarrassment to the site? :redneck




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