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JoeClutch24
12-08-2005, 02:42 PM
As of Right now I am completely content with the team and wouldn't care if this was the opening day roster at all, but I believe with losing Marte and getting Macowiac(sp?) we need another relief pitcher, whether it is Chris Hammond or another middle of the road guy that is able to replace Damaso Marte's shoes even though it may no be all that hard to fill his shoes. The only thing that would disappointing about this trade in my opinion is that, what if Damaso Marte goes back to his Stellar 2003 form, I think us Sox fans would all miss that.

shaunburnette
12-08-2005, 02:44 PM
The only thing that would disappointing about this trade in my opinion is that, what if Damaso Marte goes back to his Stellar 2003 form, I think us Sox fans would all miss that.

In this "worst" case scenerio, Marte is facing the Cubs 16 times a year.

Chicken Dinner
12-08-2005, 03:08 PM
They're taking a pole here:


http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=63463

CallMeNuts
12-10-2005, 01:18 PM
As of Right now I am completely content with the team and wouldn't care if this was the opening day roster at all, but I believe with losing Marte and getting Macowiac(sp?) we need another relief pitcher, whether it is Chris Hammond or another middle of the road guy that is able to replace Damaso Marte's shoes even though it may no be all that hard to fill his shoes. The only thing that would disappointing about this trade in my opinion is that, what if Damaso Marte goes back to his Stellar 2003 form, I think us Sox fans would all miss that.

We don't necessarily need another LHRP. What we need is one more RP who can get left handed hitters out. All you have to do is look at Marte's 2005 numbers to appreciate the difference. It's also OK to find a righty who can get the job done. See Bobby Jenks splits and you'd guess he was left handed. If Dustin is fully recovered from his back problems, Dustin could start the year as closer and Bobby could face tough lefties. I'd still like to see one more solid reliever added to the staff as I haven't seen reports on Hermanson's health. And it needs to be somebody who can get a lefty out.

SoxFan76
12-10-2005, 01:45 PM
We don't necessarily need another LHRP. What we need is one more RP who can get left handed hitters out. All you have to do is look at Marte's 2005 numbers to appreciate the difference. It's also OK to find a righty who can get the job done. See Bobby Jenks splits and you'd guess he was left handed. If Dustin is fully recovered from his back problems, Dustin could start the year as closer and Bobby could face tough lefties. I'd still like to see one more solid reliever added to the staff as I haven't seen reports on Hermanson's health. And it needs to be somebody who can get a lefty out.

From what I've heard, nothing will cure Hermanson's back problems except lots and lots of drugs, which offers only temporary relief.

TheVulture
12-10-2005, 02:58 PM
They're taking a pole here:


Must ... resist ... urge ... to make ... crude ... remark

RallyBowl
12-10-2005, 03:20 PM
We don't necessarily need another LHRP. What we need is one more RP who can get left handed hitters out. All you have to do is look at Marte's 2005 numbers to appreciate the difference. It's also OK to find a righty who can get the job done. See Bobby Jenks splits and you'd guess he was left handed. If Dustin is fully recovered from his back problems, Dustin could start the year as closer and Bobby could face tough lefties. I'd still like to see one more solid reliever added to the staff as I haven't seen reports on Hermanson's health. And it needs to be somebody who can get a lefty out.

IIRC, Pollitte and Jenks BAA lefties was better than Cotts and Marte. So, your'e right- we just need someone who can get them out.

buehrle4cy05
12-10-2005, 03:43 PM
IIRC, Pollitte and Jenks BAA lefties was better than Cotts and Marte. So, your'e right- we just need someone who can get them out.

Exactly. I would rather have a righty who has a BAA of .150 than a lefty with .250. Just go out and get the best guy.

Fake Chet Lemon
12-10-2005, 04:04 PM
Angels did OK with zero lefties in the pen.

Fuller_Schettman
12-10-2005, 04:06 PM
There is this fella I have heard about named El Duque, or somesuch. Word is that he has been stellar out of the bullpen. Might not cost any extra $$ either...

Tp paraphrase Peter Gabriel:

STAND PAT!

Lip Man 1
12-10-2005, 07:15 PM
Except Fuller Ozzie has already been quoted in the newspapers as saying he'd prefer The Duke in a starting role.

Lip

delben91
12-10-2005, 08:40 PM
Except Fuller Ozzie has already been quoted in the newspapers as saying he'd prefer The Duke in a starting role.

Lip

I've seen where he's said that, but barring an injury/fatigue to another starter, or someone just getting off to a horrendous start, I don't see how El Duque could unseat any of Buehrle, Contreras, Garland, Garcia or McCarthy.

JoeClutch24
12-10-2005, 08:47 PM
I think the smart thing to in my opinion, is plug El Duque as the 5th starter at the beginning of the season, and put McCarthy in as a Middle Reliever, yes, know he has started 4 games, but I think they should put in the pen and in the middle of the year let El Duque and him switch spots.

nccwsfan
12-10-2005, 08:56 PM
Angels did OK with zero lefties in the pen.

They did OK, but I don't think many of us would settle for OK, especially when you have an opportunity to solidify this team with two lefties. If we stay with Cotts and he were to (heaven forbid) get injured, then what? That's too risky and it's not that difficult to find a reasonably priced LOOGY.

We've got 5 quality starters and at least 1 who is starter quality. If KW gets the 2nd lefty I agree- the rotation is set for 2006.

nug0hs
12-10-2005, 09:28 PM
I was at an autograph signing today with Garland, AJ, Widger, Jenks, and Cotts. I asked Cotts what he thinks Kenny will do about adding an arm and he said "I don't know, I heard we were gonna go after [Mike] Meyers, but I guess he signed...I have no clue man". Just thought I'd throw this in here.

MHOUSE
12-10-2005, 09:49 PM
I wouldn't mind picking up LHP Chris Hammond, but if McCarthy cracks the rotation, then El Duque will slip into the bullpen mix quite nicely I think. With our starters going into the 7th inning or later, we might only need between 1-2 innings from our bullpen for the most part. Politte gets the 8th, Jenks the 9th and anything more than that you divide between Herm, Cotts, and Viz based on matchups.

Domeshot17
12-12-2005, 11:09 AM
The way ozzie uses the bullpen, I would love to see them go after a Ricardo Rincon type. He is a good 1-2 batter type pitcher who is a lefty specialist. He seems to flourish in that role more than regular use, but hes a gritty pitcher who han go in for 2 lhb and shut um both down.

KyWhiSoxFan
12-12-2005, 12:56 PM
I wouldn't mind picking up LHP Chris Hammond, but if McCarthy cracks the rotation, then El Duque will slip into the bullpen mix quite nicely I think. With our starters going into the 7th inning or later, we might only need between 1-2 innings from our bullpen for the most part. Politte gets the 8th, Jenks the 9th and anything more than that you divide between Herm, Cotts, and Viz based on matchups.

I think we're going to see the bullpen used more in 2006 than in 2005, to make sure the starters are fresh in October. The starters logged the most innings of any team in the majors this year. Factor that in, the participation of Buehrle and Garcia in the world championships, and the fact the Sox may carry 12 pitchers, the bullpen will be used differently and more in 2006.

If Hermanson is healthy, you would see a huge change, with him the setup man, Politte in the seventh, and the rest moving into the sixth and matchups in the seventh and eighth. Heck, El Duque can come in in the fifth or sixth and throw three innings (I only want to see him go through the lineup once).

JoeClutch24
12-12-2005, 02:20 PM
I just pray to God that Bobby Jenks doesn't turn into Shingo, everyone found out how to hit him and then we suffered, I just don't want that to happen, especially to a guy like Jenks.

Jurr
12-12-2005, 02:34 PM
I just pray to God that Bobby Jenks doesn't turn into Shingo, everyone found out how to hit him and then we suffered, I just don't want that to happen, especially to a guy like Jenks.
Big difference...velocity.
If you throw junk and rely on deception, your location has to be dead on, or you are SCREWED. If Shingo couldn't locate his curve ball or sinker, then he had to pour that 88 mph canteloupe over the plate.

Jenks throws a 100 mph seed. He can be a little off on his location and still survive based on how damn early a hitter has to swing to catch up to it.

kwolf68
12-12-2005, 04:04 PM
There will be competition between Reynoso and Munoz I think. I doubt we make a major deal, maybe something small time just to cover our bases.

mweflen
12-13-2005, 10:18 AM
Bet we get a good discount on Urbina when he comes back to the states...