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cheeses_h_rice
12-08-2005, 10:46 AM
...and it has Damaso Marte being traded.

cleanwsox
12-08-2005, 10:47 AM
for a PTBNL..... wouldn't surprise me.

Ol' No. 2
12-08-2005, 10:48 AM
Maybe we're finally getting Wes Helms.:rolleyes:

patbooyah
12-08-2005, 10:48 AM
i will not let bruce levine break my heart again! :cool:

are there odds on if he is right or not?

obviously, cheesey, you are just relaying the info...

i love thursday excitement!

DaveIsHere
12-08-2005, 10:48 AM
This is the trade that brings Aaron Rowand back to the South Side!!

cheeses_h_rice
12-08-2005, 10:49 AM
i will not let bruce levine break my heart again! :cool:

are there odds on if he is right or not?

obviously, cheesey, you are just relaying the info...

i love thursday excitement!

He sounded almost 100% sure of it, as if he had heard elsewhere that it was going to definitely happen.

But, yeah, don't shoot the messenger...

:)

Jerko
12-08-2005, 10:49 AM
I trust THIS Levine more than I trust Brucie Boy:


http://gfx.filmweb.pl/p/3030/po.82758.jpg

twsoxfan5
12-08-2005, 10:50 AM
Maybe we're finally getting Wes Helms.:rolleyes:

That quote is classic. I would nominate it for post of the week.:D:

getonbckthr
12-08-2005, 10:52 AM
Marte and Willie for Pierre
Seriously though Marte for Villone. Would give FLA a closer, maybe, probably not a closer, but maybe.:D:

patbooyah
12-08-2005, 10:52 AM
He sounded almost 100% sure of it, as if he had heard elsewhere that it was going to definitely happen.

But, yeah, don't shoot the messenger...

:)

only with champagne in 2006, friend. only with champagne.

BeviBall!
12-08-2005, 10:53 AM
Press conference outside US Cellular in an hour.

getonbckthr
12-08-2005, 10:55 AM
Press conference outside US Cellular in an hour.
Why outside of US Cellular was Kenny buying a new phone?

Randar68
12-08-2005, 10:55 AM
Garland and Marte for Miguel Cabrera or Dontrelle Willis? LOL!

cheeses_h_rice
12-08-2005, 10:56 AM
I only hope the Cubune can put a description of the PTBNL's sunny, positive personality in their headlines, like they did for Juan Pierre.

:rolleyes:

mjharrison72
12-08-2005, 10:58 AM
I only hope the Cubune can put a description of the PTBNL's sunny, positive personality in their headlines, like they did for Juan Pierre.

:rolleyes:
Good thing they have likeable players... that definitely wins championships.
I'll believe this latest rumor when I smell the ink.

Tekijawa
12-08-2005, 11:01 AM
Jerry's Finally going to Cell, I mean Sell!


Borchard for Dustin Diamond!

http://re2.mm-b1.yimg.com/image/689523268 (http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062857/K=Dustin+Diamond/v=2/SID=e/l=II/R=14/SS=i/OID=30b06521359a9f14/SIG=1bqaka85e/EXP=1134144152/*-http%3A//images.search.yahoo.com/search/images/view?back=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.search.yahoo.com%2Fs earch%2Fimages%3Fp%3DDustin%2BDiamond&w=249&h=310&imgurl=www.x-entertainment.com%2Fpics%2Fscreech2.jpg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.van46.com%2Findex.shtml%3Far chives%2Fcat_entertainment.html&size=22.1kB&name=screech2.jpg&p=Dustin+Diamond&type=jpeg&no=14&tt=159&ei=UTF-8)

Baby Fisk
12-08-2005, 11:03 AM
Borchard for Dustin Diamond!

http://re2.mm-b1.yimg.com/image/689523268 (http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062857/K=Dustin+Diamond/v=2/SID=e/l=II/R=14/SS=i/OID=30b06521359a9f14/SIG=1bqaka85e/EXP=1134144152/*-http%3A//images.search.yahoo.com/search/images/view?back=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.search.yahoo.com%2Fs earch%2Fimages%3Fp%3DDustin%2BDiamond&w=249&h=310&imgurl=www.x-entertainment.com%2Fpics%2Fscreech2.jpg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.van46.com%2Findex.shtml%3Far chives%2Fcat_entertainment.html&size=22.1kB&name=screech2.jpg&p=Dustin+Diamond&type=jpeg&no=14&tt=159&ei=UTF-8)
Where's he gonna play?

Norberto7
12-08-2005, 11:04 AM
New rumor thread? Break out the teal, the deep pink, and the WSI cliches! I'll do one, too....

I heard from a janitor Corey McPherrin is at U.S. Cellular for a press conference.

:D:

gf2020
12-08-2005, 11:04 AM
Whatever this deal is, I hope it's not a trade for the sole purpose of dumping Marte because of what happened in September. I hope we got value for him. More importantly, we'll need another lefty in the bullpen and there aren't a ton on the market. There is FA Myers from the Red Sox and Villone from the Marlins, but other than that, I don't know what else is out there and if it's better than Marte.

mjharrison72
12-08-2005, 11:05 AM
Oh, my God... stop the presses. Baby Fisk has a new sig!

Dig it! :thumbsup:

veeter
12-08-2005, 11:07 AM
Whatever this deal is, I hope it's not a trade for the sole purpose of dumping Marte because of what happened in September. I hope we got value for him. More importantly, we'll need another lefty in the bullpen and there aren't a ton on the market. There is FA Myers from the Red Sox and Villone from the Marlins, but other than that, I don't know what else is out there and if it's better than Marte.I agree. Another, 'be careful what you wish for', moment. If not Marte, then who? Although Kenny really can come up with no-name guy and get a lot out of them. i.e: Marte, Politte, Foulke etc.

Baby Fisk
12-08-2005, 11:07 AM
Oh, my God... stop the presses. Baby Fisk has a new sig!

Dig it! :thumbsup:
Thanks. :redface: Cost me an arm and a leg. Unregistered's hourly rates are steep!

The Deacon
12-08-2005, 11:09 AM
Whatever this deal is, I hope it's not a trade for the sole purpose of dumping Marte because of what happened in September. I hope we got value for him. More importantly, we'll need another lefty in the bullpen and there aren't a ton on the market. There is FA Myers from the Red Sox and Villone from the Marlins, but other than that, I don't know what else is out there and if it's better than Marte.

I totally agre with this. Marte is a solid 1st lefty out of the bullpen. There really arent many lefties that are better than him. Sure he had some meltdowns, but who is gonig to step in and replace him? Mike Meyers sure isnt better.

Hangar18
12-08-2005, 11:09 AM
...and it has Damaso Marte being traded.

Did he say it involves the White Sox?

Ol' No. 2
12-08-2005, 11:09 AM
Whatever this deal is, I hope it's not a trade for the sole purpose of dumping Marte because of what happened in September. I hope we got value for him. More importantly, we'll need another lefty in the bullpen and there aren't a ton on the market. There is FA Myers from the Red Sox and Villone from the Marlins, but other than that, I don't know what else is out there and if it's better than Marte.They could probably sign Myers for about what they're paying Marte. I'd call that an improvement.

Fitting that Marte was the subject of an article in the Tuesday's Cubune:

Marte in Sox's plans for '06 (http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/cs-051206sox,1,5361587.story?coll=cs-whitesox-headlines)

Tekijawa
12-08-2005, 11:10 AM
Thanks. :redface: Cost me an arm and a leg. Unregistered's hourly rates are steep!

Now cubs fans can't complain that the area around the park is dangerous now that there's a Mountie out front!

voodoochile
12-08-2005, 11:10 AM
Thanks. :redface: Cost me an arm and a leg. Unregistered's hourly rates are steep!

And it's 4 times the allowed limit. You need to reduce that bad boy to less than 15 KB. My bet is it is saved as a bitmap (.bmp) if you change it to a jpeg you should be good.

getonbckthr
12-08-2005, 11:12 AM
They could probably sign Myers for about what they're paying Marte. I'd call that an improvement.

Fitting that Marte was the subject of an article in the Tuesday's Cubune:

Marte in Sox's plans for '06 (http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/cs-051206sox,1,5361587.story?coll=cs-whitesox-headlines)
Expert analysis. Tribune never fails in bringing truthful, hard-hitting reports about our Sox. For them the media world is not worthy.

The Wall
12-08-2005, 11:12 AM
Thanks. :redface: Cost me an arm and a leg. Unregistered's hourly rates are steep!

I can do your job -
> cheaper
> higher quality
> faster

Choose any two of the three :D

Hangar18
12-08-2005, 11:13 AM
Jim Hendry will send Jose Macias to the Red Sox for Manny Ramirez

Baby Fisk
12-08-2005, 11:13 AM
And it's 4 times the allowed limit. You need to reduce that bad boy to less than 15 KB. My bet is it is saved as a bitmap (.bmp) if you change it to a jpeg you should be good.Sorry, I'll change it.

gobears1987
12-08-2005, 11:13 AM
And it's 4 times the allowed limit. You need to reduce that bad boy to less than 15 KB. My bet is it is saved as a bitmap (.bmp) if you change it to a jpeg you should be good.
:tealpolice:
Pull over to the side of the road. Yeah we arrest for DUIs now. (Does breathalizer) You are 4 times over the legal limit. You're coming with me now.

voodoochile
12-08-2005, 11:18 AM
I wonder if Levine got the wrong Sox and wrong Marte...

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=962040#post962040

veeter
12-08-2005, 11:18 AM
This kind of reminds me of Valentin in 2001. Valentin was undeservedly considered a defensive liability in 2000 for the Sox. The media and many fans said 'We must have a new shortstop'. Surpisingly, Kenny caved to this, and got us Royce Clayton. Jose, who did make a lot of errors, made up for it by making spectacular plays and being terrific at turning the double play. The change was unnecessary to me. I feel the same way now. I really feel Marte can still come up huge for the Sox.

Tekijawa
12-08-2005, 11:18 AM
Is this the Marte Trade? lol

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/images/icons/icon1.gif Red Sox deal Renteria to Braves for Marte
The Braves and Red Sox have agreed on a deal that would ship shortstop Edgar Renteria to Atlanta in exchange for Braves third-base prospect Andy Marte, ESPN's Peter Gammons has learned.

An official announcement is expected in an hour.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2252297

knocko94
12-08-2005, 11:18 AM
What if there's a Garland/Marte for Vasquez/Cintron/RP ?


I LOOOOOVEE trade rumors.:D:

kjkobs
12-08-2005, 11:18 AM
...and it has Damaso Marte being traded.

Maybe it was the Boston trade of Edgar Renteria to the Braves for ANDY Marte...

ChiSoxJay
12-08-2005, 11:19 AM
I wonder if Bruce Levine confused Damaso Marte with the Marte that was just traded to the Red Sox for Renteria. It wouldn't surprise me!

CHIsoxNation
12-08-2005, 11:20 AM
Is this the Marte Trade? lol

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/images/icons/icon1.gif Red Sox deal Renteria to Braves for Marte
The Braves and Red Sox have agreed on a deal that would ship shortstop Edgar Renteria to Atlanta in exchange for Braves third-base prospect Andy Marte, ESPN's Peter Gammons has learned.

An official announcement is expected in an hour.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2252297

I was thinking the same thing. I would not be surpirsed. How embarrasing would that be.

knocko94
12-08-2005, 11:21 AM
We got Rod Mcwoviakyauoier

From the Pirates.

Now go sign Myers, and I like it.

getonbckthr
12-08-2005, 11:23 AM
I was thinking the same thing. I would not be surpirsed. How embarrasing would that be.
I think Bruce Levine and embarrasing ended their relationship a while ago. It has become, as they say in Boston about Manny, Bruce being Bruce.

patbooyah
12-08-2005, 11:24 AM
Sorry, I'll change it.

to continue this thread within a thread - i changed it and posted it in the same thread the original was in....

getonbckthr
12-08-2005, 11:25 AM
Marte for Mackowiak

HawkDJ
12-08-2005, 11:25 AM
well I guess technically Bruce got it right

ATXBMX
12-08-2005, 11:26 AM
Great, now we all have to learn how to spell another goofy name.

CHIsoxNation
12-08-2005, 11:28 AM
I think Bruce Levine and embarrasing ended their relationship a while ago. It has become, as they say in Boston about Manny, Bruce being Bruce.

I think you're right.

I'm okay with this trade. Rob is going to be 30 this year and is a quality back up for Crede. This will look a lot better if Kenny can bring in another left handed reliever now.

The Deacon
12-08-2005, 11:28 AM
Marte for Mackowiak

If true, cant say I like that trade too much. We need a 2 leftys out of the pen and I dont dont think Meyers and/or Villone are better than Marte.

Tekijawa
12-08-2005, 11:29 AM
Nice pick up... he's essentially Geoff Blum with ties to the Chicago Land area...

I think we might have been able to get more for Marte though?!?!?

Ol' No. 2
12-08-2005, 11:30 AM
If true, cant say I like that trade too much.Unless they signed Myers to take Marte's place.

veeter
12-08-2005, 11:31 AM
Right now, I don't like it. I'm going to check if he strikes out a lot. He better not.

voodoochile
12-08-2005, 11:31 AM
Is this official, Marte for Macowiak or is this still speculation?

Ol' No. 2
12-08-2005, 11:31 AM
Right now, I don't like it. I'm going to check if he strikes out a lot. He better not.Has this been confirmed anywhere?

The Deacon
12-08-2005, 11:32 AM
Right now, I don't like it. I'm going to check if he strikes out a lot. He better not.

He does K alot.

ND_Sox_Fan
12-08-2005, 11:33 AM
Great trade - get rid of a headcase like Marte - now Ozzie can't even be tempted to bring him in.

I don't want to hear this BS about needing lefties out of the pen. Marte couldn't get a lefty out to save his life last year. Neal (while left handed) was lights out against righties - the whole lefty-righty thing is completely overblown. I don't care if you throw with your feet as long as you get people out and throw strikes!

SOXPHILE
12-08-2005, 11:33 AM
Chris Ronge just said it on the Score too. Says Sox will be holding a press conference within an hour, as reported by "Cubby" Offman.

skottyj242
12-08-2005, 11:33 AM
100K's in 463 at bats. Does this make sense? Is he going to play right and Pods moves to center? I can't see him not wanting to play every day.

palehozer
12-08-2005, 11:34 AM
Per Bruce Levine, Marte was traded. Any info?

The Deacon
12-08-2005, 11:34 AM
Unless they signed Myers to take Marte's place.

Myers is a definite downgrade from Marte, the guy is brutal. His ERA is a run higher than Marte and he averages a K every 2/IP. At least Marte averaged a K/IP.

getonbckthr
12-08-2005, 11:34 AM
Could this be the beginning to a potential Harris and prospect for Ron Villone.

BeviBall!
12-08-2005, 11:35 AM
Fantastic deal.

kittle42
12-08-2005, 11:35 AM
Traded to Pittsburgh for Rob Mackowiak. I like this move. Mackowiak is good enough so that if Anderson falters, he could be a plug-in for a while.

mcfish
12-08-2005, 11:36 AM
I have no confirmation, but I heard it was Marte to Pittsburgh for Rob Machoviac (sp?).

veeter
12-08-2005, 11:36 AM
Fantastic deal.I hope you're right.

RallyBowl
12-08-2005, 11:36 AM
Nice! Good luck, Damaso. Hope you dominate the cubs for many years to come!

GAsoxfan
12-08-2005, 11:37 AM
Traded to Pittsburgh for Rob Mackowiak. I like this move. Mackowiak is good enough so that if Anderson falters, he could be a plug-in for a while.

It also gives the Sox a back-up at third base.

veeter
12-08-2005, 11:37 AM
Could this be the beginning to a potential Harris and prospect for Ron Villone.Man, would they miss Wiliie's defense.

BeviBall!
12-08-2005, 11:38 AM
I hope you're right.

Good insurance for Joe... hits lefty. Everything we needed. Now, we need another lefty for the pen. Bye bye head case... hello sold hometown boy.

Ol' No. 2
12-08-2005, 11:38 AM
Myers is a definite downgrade from Marte, the guy is brutal. His ERA is a run higher than Marte and he averages a K every 2/IP. At least Marte averaged a K/IP.But Myers also walks a hell of a lot fewer.

WHIP:
Marte - 1.72
Myers - 1.15

DaleJRFan
12-08-2005, 11:38 AM
This deal has an upside on $$$, too. Marte makes a lot more than Mackowiak. I'd wager KW had to send some $$$ with Damaso.

getonbckthr
12-08-2005, 11:39 AM
Also what about using Munoz or Reynoso from our system similar to what we did with Cotts. In that case we would save 2 million dollars. Could also give Kenny the option, not saying I favor it, of dealing Garland for Vasquez. JG arbitration figure plus Marte's 2 million should be enough for Vasquez's salary.

RallyBowl
12-08-2005, 11:39 AM
Isn't Rob a South Sider?

mcfish
12-08-2005, 11:39 AM
We all knew that Jim Hendry has embarassing info about the Pirates GM. Apparently, Kenny Williams does too now.


This is better than the Koch trade where we actually got money for Koch's salary.

GoSox2K3
12-08-2005, 11:39 AM
I'm confused. Who is all involved in this trade? Marte? Harris? Has it been confirmed?

TDog
12-08-2005, 11:39 AM
Didn't the Pirates give up on Marte years ago when the dealt him to the Sox in the first place?

The Deacon
12-08-2005, 11:40 AM
But Myers also walks a hell of a lot fewer.

WHIP:
Marte - 1.72
Myers - 1.15

True. We'll have to see what Kenny does to replace Marte before we can make a solid judgement.

getonbckthr
12-08-2005, 11:40 AM
Man, would they miss Wiliie's defense.
I read in an article on the Sox website earlier this morning that Kenny promise Willie that if a deal came that would help the Sox and help Willie start he would do it. I'm pretty sure FLA needs a 2b now unless they have a ready prospect.

knocko94
12-08-2005, 11:41 AM
Who else remembers Myers just abusing Pierzynski?

I'd take him.

MillerSoxFan
12-08-2005, 11:41 AM
Isn't Mackowiak that guy who always destroys the cubs?

Chicken Dinner
12-08-2005, 11:41 AM
Didn't the Pirates give up on Marte years ago when the dealt him to the Sox in the first place?
Yep

voodoochile
12-08-2005, 11:41 AM
This deal has an upside on $$$, too. Marte makes a lot more than Mackowiak. I'd wager KW had to send some $$$ with Damaso.

I doubt it was much if anything. Marte isn't breaking the bank either way and leftie relievers get a premium price.

patbooyah
12-08-2005, 11:41 AM
Isn't Mackowiak that guy who always destroys the cubs?


yes. very much so.

duke of dorwood
12-08-2005, 11:42 AM
This is the best move of the off season for us. KW does fill needs

The Deacon
12-08-2005, 11:42 AM
Isn't Rob a South Sider?

Yes, he grew up in Oak Lawn

buehrle4cy05
12-08-2005, 11:42 AM
I can't find anything on it on any of the sites, so I will wait to get excited over this until it's final.

BeviBall!
12-08-2005, 11:42 AM
Who else remembers Myers just abusing Pierzynski?

I'd take him.

Myers is durable as well. How many years did he lead the league in appearences with the Tiggers?

Paxson93
12-08-2005, 11:42 AM
Isn't Rob a South Sider?

Oak Lawn I believe.

Is this confirmed?

Palehose13
12-08-2005, 11:42 AM
100K's in 463 at bats. Does this make sense? Is he going to play right and Pods moves to center? I can't see him not wanting to play every day.

His profile on yahoo says that he plays third base and center field.

veeter
12-08-2005, 11:43 AM
Didn't the Pirates give up on Marte years ago when the dealt him to the Sox in the first place?Sox got him for Matt Guerrier. How lucky does Mackoviak feel right now?!

infohawk
12-08-2005, 11:43 AM
Good trade if true. Mackowiak will be an excellent super-utility guy with a left-handed bat. He seems like one of those players who struggles in a full-time role but excels as a part-time player. Not only that, but he went to my high school (Oak Lawn Community H.S.)!!! I believe he was a freshman the year after I graduated.

DaveIsHere
12-08-2005, 11:44 AM
Great Move if True!!!

Dan Mega
12-08-2005, 11:44 AM
C'mon Marte and a bag of peanuts for D-Train/Cabrera/Villone!:D:

patbooyah
12-08-2005, 11:46 AM
Sox got him for Matt Guerrier. How lucky does Mackoviak feel right now?!


no joke, coming back to his hometown, not on the pirates, on a contender, still gets to beat up on the cubs...

life is good, folks. life is good.

CPditka
12-08-2005, 11:46 AM
Isn't Rob a South Sider?

Even better, hes a region rat. He went to Lake Central (IN), and played college ball at South Suburban (lansing-ish, IL). I like this trade. Now sign someone for the pen. Good job kenny, get good local guy who address a whole bunch of our needs, for a headcase. Major Props.

The Deacon
12-08-2005, 11:47 AM
His profile on yahoo says that he plays third base and center field.

He plays everywhere......
2005
3B 65 games
CF 41
RF 23
2B 20
1B 3
LF 1

Baby Fisk
12-08-2005, 11:47 AM
Isn't Mackowiak that guy who always destroys the cubs?Haha, yes! He played a big role in defeating the Cubs two games in a row back in 2004.

I like this deal.

Ol' No. 2
12-08-2005, 11:47 AM
Has anyone believable actually confirmed a Marte-Mackowiak trade? Or has the train left the station without a conductor (again)?

kjkobs
12-08-2005, 11:48 AM
Isn't Rob a South Sider?

Yeah, from Oak Lawn

GoSox2K3
12-08-2005, 11:48 AM
The Score is now saying that Mackowiac has always been a Cubs fan. :?:

RallyBowl
12-08-2005, 11:48 AM
Has anyone believable actually confirmed a Marte-Mackowiak trade? Or has the train left the station without a conductor (again)?

It's done, pending physicals, per the score.

Oh, and nice new sig, Baby Fisk!

patbooyah
12-08-2005, 11:49 AM
Has anyone believable actually confirmed a Marte-Mackowiak trade? Or has the train left the station without a conductor (again)?

so that's M-A-C-K-O-W-I-A-K?... all right... hello, MLB shops?... yes, i'll have the pinstriped jersey...

The Big Squirt
12-08-2005, 11:49 AM
Here is his profile from MLB


http://pittsburgh.pirates.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=406670

He is listed on their depth chart as their starting 2nd baseman

getonbckthr
12-08-2005, 11:49 AM
I believe Myers is a loacl guy. I wanna say Arlington Heights?

Palehose13
12-08-2005, 11:50 AM
He plays everywhere......
2005
3B 65 games
CF 41
RF 23
2B 20
1B 3
LF 1

Well yeah, but I found it interesting that he has a significant number of starts in CF. So...is the the starting CFer?

He also hit everywhere but leadoff last year, with the most AB's being in the 4 or 5 hole. Anyone know if he is a fit for #2 or not?

D. TODD
12-08-2005, 11:50 AM
Yeah, from Oak Lawn When did he move, because he went to Lake Central H.S. in St. John Ind.

SOXPHILE
12-08-2005, 11:51 AM
Haha, yes! He played a big role in defeating the Cubs two games in a row back in 2004.

I like this deal.

YES ! I remember that ! They Pirates swept a double header, and the Cubs wound up losing 5 in a row I think. I believe he either hit a game tying home run in one of the games to send it into extra innings, then hit a walk off grand slam later on, or he hit the game winning home runs in both games 1 & 2. I can't remember which, other than he did all this just a couple of days after his wife gave birth.

Ol' No. 2
12-08-2005, 11:52 AM
Well yeah, but I found it interesting that he has a significant number of starts in CF. So...is the the starting CFer?

He also hit everywhere but leadoff last year, with the most AB's being in the 4 or 5 hole. Anyone know if he is a fit for #2 or not?This is the super utility guy that Kenny loves to have. I think you'll see him play just about everywhere, just like he did for the Bucs. Decent OBP, but I don't think he's a regular, so not a #2 hitter.

Joosh
12-08-2005, 11:52 AM
Well yeah, but I found it interesting that he has a significant number of starts in CF. So...is the the starting CFer?

He also hit everywhere but leadoff last year, with the most AB's being in the 4 or 5 hole. Anyone know if he is a fit for #2 or not?

Probably not, with the amount of K's he has, I'd put him in the 7th or 8th spot if he starts in Center.

Great deal, Kenny!

voodoochile
12-08-2005, 11:53 AM
Well yeah, but I found it interesting that he has a significant number of starts in CF. So...is the the starting CFer?

He also hit everywhere but leadoff last year, with the most AB's being in the 4 or 5 hole. Anyone know if he is a fit for #2 or not?

He stole some basis, seems to hit well for contact, takes a fair number of walks and has a league average OBP. He could definitely hit second with those stats, but the K's worry me bit from a lineup slot you want contact and bat control out of.

I think he is a backup plan for both Crede and Anderson. If either one of them gets hurt or cannot perform, the Sox can go to Mackowiak. I think he starts the season as the super utility guy though.

Palehose13
12-08-2005, 11:53 AM
When did he move, because he went to Lake Central H.S. in St. John Ind.

This is what his profile says:
Born: Jun 20, 1976 - Oak Lawn, IL

SOXPHILE
12-08-2005, 11:53 AM
The Score is now saying that Mackowiac has always been a Cubs fan. :?:

Mulligan was kidding. Macowiak and his family are all Sox fans. I remember reading about it after he killed the Cubs in a double header back in May of 2004.

gr8mexico
12-08-2005, 11:54 AM
The best part is that Rob is a true Sox fan . He grew up a SOX a guy I work with is his cousin.

It's Time
12-08-2005, 11:55 AM
Marte has great stuff but he had to go. Say goodbye to Timo.

Palehose13
12-08-2005, 11:56 AM
When did he move, because he went to Lake Central H.S. in St. John Ind.

Not according to mlb.com:

.Is a 1994 graduate of Oak Lawn (IL) High School, where he played baseball...Also played baseball at South Suburban Junior College (IL)...Signed by Pirate scout Bill Bryk.

D. TODD
12-08-2005, 11:56 AM
This is what his profile says:
Born: Jun 20, 1976 - Oak Lawn, IL I know, I'm just wondering when he came to Indiana since I'm certain he attended Lake Central H.S.. Not sure when he transfered t6o L.C.?

eriqjaffe
12-08-2005, 11:57 AM
I believe Myers is a loacl guy. I wanna say Arlington Heights?You are correct, sir. Of course, that probably means he's a die-hard Cub fan.

Fungo
12-08-2005, 11:57 AM
When did he move, because he went to Lake Central H.S. in St. John Ind.I believe after HS. He went to South Suburban JuCo in South Holland.

I like the move

patbooyah
12-08-2005, 11:58 AM
The best part is that Rob is a true Sox fan . He grew up a SOX a guy I work with is his cousin.


i wonder what his WSI name is...

Hangar18
12-08-2005, 11:58 AM
Oak Lawn I believe.

Is this confirmed?

Robs a South Sider from Oak Lawn all right. He also Grew Up a SOX FAN.
I think we have like 4 guys on the team now that grew up SOX fans and now
are on the SOX. BMcCarthy, Honel, Sweeney are the others .......

Baby Fisk
12-08-2005, 11:59 AM
YES ! I remember that ! They Pirates swept a double header, and the Cubs wound up losing 5 in a row I think. I believe he either hit a game tying home run in one of the games to send it into extra innings, then hit a walk off grand slam later on, or he hit the game winning home runs in both games 1 & 2. I can't remember which, other than he did all this just a couple of days after his wife gave birth.That was easily the best week of his life. Welcome Rob!

Mots09
12-08-2005, 12:01 PM
Welcome Rob!

i think we know who is going to be starting all 6 games verses the Cubs.

Britt Burns
12-08-2005, 12:02 PM
Look how similar Mac's 2004 numbers were to Iguchi's 2005 season. Not bad to have a lefty-hitting utility guy capable of putting up Iguchi-like stats at 5 positions (2B, 3B, Lf-Cf-Rf).

Palehose13
12-08-2005, 12:02 PM
That was easily the best week of his life. Welcome Rob!

Today probably ranks pretty high on his list too. :wink:

Iwritecode
12-08-2005, 12:02 PM
Haha, yes! He played a big role in defeating the Cubs two games in a row back in 2004.

I like this deal.

It was a double-header. :D:

Best day of his career. (http://pittsburgh.pirates.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/multimedia/tp_archive.jsp?c_id=pit&ym=200405)

Norberto7
12-08-2005, 12:03 PM
.272 Avg, 9 HR, 58 RBI in 2005. I guess that is about as average as it gets. And good ol' bland, average, run-of-the-mill is my choice as opposed to, oh, say the first three batters of inning six of game three of the 2005 ALDS.

:thumbsup:

Mohoney
12-08-2005, 12:04 PM
This is the best move of the off season for us. KW does fill needs

Um...

Didn't we re-sign Paul Konerko AND trade for Jim Thome?

SoxRulecubsdrool
12-08-2005, 12:05 PM
The Score is now saying that Mackowiac has always been a Cubs fan. :?:
Isn't everybody?
Everytime you turn on a game the announcers are always saying how everyone grew up a cubs fan. I heard that so many times this last summer. :puking:

Baby Fisk
12-08-2005, 12:05 PM
Today probably ranks pretty high on his list too. :wink:Yes, obviously today surpasses everything! :thumbsup:


http://sports.espn.go.com/i/mlb/profiles/players/6725.jpg
"The greatest day of my life was when I was traded to the south side."

Ol' No. 2
12-08-2005, 12:06 PM
This has got to mean another deal soon. Ozzie is not going to go into the season without a LOOGY. Myers and Villone are the likely possibilities, but if Kenny is after Villone, he'd better hurry. Speculation is that the Red Sox are thinking about sending THEIR newly-acquired Marte to the Fish for Villone.

caulfield12
12-08-2005, 12:06 PM
Marte has great stuff but he had to go. Say goodbye to Timo.

I think it really means the writing is on the wall for Willie Harris, who didnīt show a willingness to play SS during winter ball to increase his versatility.

We already have Ozuna, who is more versatile and was Ozzieīs pick over Harris down the stretch more often than not for pinch-running.

Perez made $1 million last season, so itīs obvious that one of these two guys are history...maybe both.

We now have insurance for Crede and Anderson-Owens-Young, so thatīs a pretty good situation heading into camp...ironically, Marte goes back to the Pirates, where we stole him originally four seasons ago.

I think this is a very good move...and adds to the National Leagueization of the roster with more versatility across the roster, especially Ozuna and now Mackowiak.

Tekijawa
12-08-2005, 12:07 PM
.272 Avg, 9 HR, 58 RBI in 2005. I guess that is about as average as it gets. And good ol' bland, average, run-of-the-mill is my choice as opposed to, oh, say the first three batters of inning six of game three of the 2005 ALDS.

:thumbsup:

Don't forget that he played for the Pirates last year... I would expect in the very least that his RBI and Runs would be higher here if he were to play full time, which he wont.

Baby Fisk
12-08-2005, 12:07 PM
I can't find the Marte tribute thread. Which forum is it in?

Flight #24
12-08-2005, 12:07 PM
This is the super utility guy that Kenny loves to have. I think you'll see him play just about everywhere, just like he did for the Bucs. Decent OBP, but I don't think he's a regular, so not a #2 hitter.

Ozzie'll get him regular ABs resting everybody and he'll play most every day. This also is the official goodbye to Willie Harris, with the unofficial goodbye coming the day he refused playing winter league to get better at SS.

The only question is where he ends up and who we get back. Villone sounds like a solid guess. I'd guess KW has Mike Myers on the phone as well.

caulfield12
12-08-2005, 12:08 PM
This has got to mean another deal soon. Ozzie is not going to go into the season without a LOOGY. Myers and Villone are the likely possibilities, but if Kenny is after Villone, he'd better hurry. Speculation is that the Red Sox are thinking about sending THEIR newly-acquired Marte to the Fish for Villone.

I donīt get that....why would the Marlins want to pay a set-up guy $2.25 million when theyīve launched almost every high-priced veteran?

Villone and Marte are probably comparable in terms of expected results for 2006 (I would probably pick Marte if a gun were put to my head)...just not entirely logical to me.

Paxson93
12-08-2005, 12:08 PM
I know, I'm just wondering when he came to Indiana since I'm certain he attended Lake Central H.S.. Not sure when he transfered t6o L.C.?



Played Westside Baseball (93rd & Oak Park, Oak Lawn) his entire life.

Oak Lawn High School: Freshman - Junior years

Lake Central High School in Indiana for Senior Year

South Surburban for two years.... Drafted by the Reds after freshman year in the 30 something round as a "draft and follow", but never signed. He was then taken by the Pirates in the 53rd round after his sophmore year

Made Major League debut in April 2001

Flight #24
12-08-2005, 12:08 PM
This has got to mean another deal soon. Ozzie is not going to go into the season without a LOOGY. Myers and Villone are the likely possibilities, but if Kenny is after Villone, he'd better hurry. Speculation is that the Red Sox are thinking about sending THEIR newly-acquired Marte to the Fish for Villone.

O tell you what - if the Marlins have a hope of Andy Marte for Villone, they're not trading him for Willie Harris. Not without a pretty goodprospect going over as well. If that's what it takes, I'd prefer Myers.

anewman35
12-08-2005, 12:10 PM
I donīt get that....why would the Marlins want to pay a set-up guy $2.25 million when theyīve launched almost every high-priced veteran?

Villone and Marte are probably comparable in terms of expected results for 2006 (I would probably pick Marte if a gun were put to my head)...just not entirely logical to me.

You're confused. The possible deal is ANDY Marte, from the Red Sox, to the Marlins.

caulfield12
12-08-2005, 12:11 PM
Ozzie'll get him regular ABs resting everybody and he'll play most every day. This also is the official goodbye to Willie Harris, with the unofficial goodbye coming the day he refused playing winter league to get better at SS.

The only question is where he ends up and who we get back. Villone sounds like a solid guess. I'd guess KW has Mike Myers on the phone as well.

I see a Willie Harris to the Marlins for one of the following lefties deal going down, possibly today....

Bostick
Olsen
Vargas
Villone

Obviously, Villone and Olsen would be the top two targets based on their experience.

CHISOXFAN13
12-08-2005, 12:12 PM
I donīt get that....why would the Marlins want to pay a set-up guy $2.25 million when theyīve launched almost every high-priced veteran?

Villone and Marte are probably comparable in terms of expected results for 2006 (I would probably pick Marte if a gun were put to my head)...just not entirely logical to me.

You have the wrong Marte. The Red Sox just acquired ANDY Marte from Atlanta.

Theanticub
12-08-2005, 12:12 PM
There were a couple of games where I loved marte....too many games where I wish he was somewhere else.

ChiSoxPatF
12-08-2005, 12:14 PM
Moved to Indiana after his Junior Year of HS. So '95?

I went to LC as well.... he attended his Junior and Senior year at Lake Central and was pretty darn good obviously. Knowing his family somewhat, I've followed him for his entire career and he'll make a very good utility man for the Sox IMO.

And the Score's reports seem fallacious, I've always known him and his family to be Sox fans. Who cares right? Not like the Score has ever right about anything though.

Who reported Mackowiak was a Cub fan? Mike North?

Hangar18
12-08-2005, 12:14 PM
Isn't everybody?
Everytime you turn on a game the announcers are always saying how everyone grew up a cubs fan. I heard that so many times this last summer. :puking:

I heard that being gratuitiously thrown around way too much the last few years for it being some random information. The Cubs made dang sure they continue to let that false information become myth at every go around. I hate that team very much

D. TODD
12-08-2005, 12:15 PM
Played Westside Baseball (93rd & Oak Park, Oak Lawn) his entire life.

Oak Lawn High School: Freshman - Junior years

Lake Central High School in Indiana for Senior Year

South Surburban for two years.... Drafted by the Reds after freshman year in the 30 something round as a "draft and follow", but never signed. He was then taken by the Pirates in the 53rd round after his sophmore year

Made Major League debut in April 2001 Thanks, for a second there I thought I was losing my mind.:o:

anewman35
12-08-2005, 12:16 PM
I heard that being gratuitiously thrown around way too much the last few years for it being some random information. The Cubs made dang sure they continue to let that false information become myth at every go around. I hate that team very much

YOU hate the Cubs? No way, I'm SHOCKED!

Do you honestly think the Cubs go around falsely spreading information about people being Cubs fans?

Dan Mega
12-08-2005, 12:18 PM
I heard that being gratuitiously thrown around way too much the last few years for it being some random information. The Cubs made dang sure they continue to let that false information become myth at every go around. I hate that team very much

Its smart for business on their end (no teal needed). As long as they keep filling the stands with lemmings and sellng Old Style, whats the use of fielding a winning team? Or so says the Cubune.

In fact, winning a World Series would be bad for them. They would lose their historic identity.:rolleyes:

TheVulture
12-08-2005, 12:24 PM
Good insurance for Joe... hits lefty. Everything we needed. Now, we need another lefty for the pen. Bye bye head case... hello sold hometown boy.

I don't know about another lefty, as it stands now the sox've got a 6 man pen that looks pretty strong to me-
Jenks, Cotts, Politte, Viz, Hermanson and Hernandez

caulfield12
12-08-2005, 12:26 PM
I don't know about another lefty, as it stands now the sox've got a 6 man pen that looks pretty strong to me-
Jenks, Cotts, Politte, Viz, Hermanson and Hernandez

Assuming Garland is not dealt to a team that will be able to afford signing him to a long-term deal.

That will be the toughest thing about next season as well...how long do well hold onto Garland, knowing thereīs a 90% chance we will lose him in the off-season.

Wouldnīt it make more sense to get the best return today...a major-league ready pitching prospect and maybe a AA or AAA catcher that would be insurance for AJ for the future?

SoxRulecubsdrool
12-08-2005, 12:27 PM
I heard that being gratuitiously thrown around way too much the last few years for it being some random information. The Cubs made dang sure they continue to let that false information become myth at every go around. I hate that team very much

I swear. Whenever I turned on the game to see if the cubs were losing and some guy was coming up to bat from whatever team from whatever little town he grew up in you would hear 'Joe Blow grew up a cubs fan.' The cub announcers would toss it out every other guy.

cheeses_h_rice
12-08-2005, 12:28 PM
Hey, whaddya know, a "big deal imminent" thread started by me that didn't blow up in my face.

:thumbsup:

billnahorodny
12-08-2005, 12:29 PM
For those of us not near a radio...is this deal official? I can't find mention of it anywhere

na_na_na_na
12-08-2005, 12:29 PM
This is a nice move by Kenny. Mack gives us more versitility in the field and a much needed left handed bat. This will let Kenny deal for one more bullpen guy and is insurance against having to acquire an expensive utility guy like T Graff.

Whitesox4ever
12-08-2005, 12:30 PM
I rather have the Sox sign Chris Hammond over Mike Myers

GoSox2K3
12-08-2005, 12:31 PM
Assuming Garland is not dealt to a team that will be able to afford signing him to a long-term deal.

That will be the toughest thing about next season as well...how long do well hold onto Garland, knowing thereīs a 90% chance we will lose him in the off-season.

Wouldnīt it make more sense to get the best return today...a major-league ready pitching prospect and maybe a AA or AAA catcher that would be insurance for AJ for the future?

:offtopic: Don't we already have a Garland speculation thread on What's the Score?

No way the Sox are dealing Garland for prospects. Their goal in 2006 is to win the World Series again, not build for the future. The price we pay for that is probably losing Garland after '06.

kjkobs
12-08-2005, 12:32 PM
I see a Willie Harris to the Marlins for one of the following lefties deal going down, possibly today....

Bostick
Olsen
Vargas
Villone

Obviously, Villone and Olsen would be the top two targets based on their experience.

If the Marlins are going back to a cost-cutting/youth movement, they wouldn't part with either Olsen or Vargas IMO.

caulfield12
12-08-2005, 12:33 PM
I rather have the Sox sign Chris Hammond over Mike Myers

Too old. Then again, Julio Franco is looking for a two-year deal at age 47. We thought he was done with baseball in the mid-90īs when he played for the Sox with Kruk, lol.

monkeypants
12-08-2005, 12:33 PM
This is a fantastic trade. We get left-handed bat that can fill in at numerous positions giving guys some rest while also having some insurance if Crede's back goes to crap. And all we give up is a lefty reliever that didn't get left-handed batters out.

caulfield12
12-08-2005, 12:34 PM
If the Marlins are going back to a cost-cutting/youth movement, they wouldn't part with either Olsen or Vargas IMO.

Probably...I wasnīt paying attention to the whole Andy Marte situation.

At any rate, the Marlins wanted Cotts and one of the four outfielders for Pierre, so I am sure that Marte would not figure into their plans, and Cotts is definitely untradeable now, if he ever was.

Whitesox4ever
12-08-2005, 12:35 PM
Hammond was 5-1 with a 3.84 era last year.. Jesse Orosco was a very old LR but he still got the batters outToo old. Then again, Julio Franco is looking for a two-year deal at age 47. We thought he was done with baseball in the mid-90īs when he played for the Sox with Kruk, lol.

caulfield12
12-08-2005, 12:37 PM
:hijacked: Don't we already have a Garland speculation thread on What's the Score?

No way the Sox are dealing Garland for prospects. Their goal in 2006 is to win the World Series again, not build for the future. The price we pay for that is probably losing Garland after '06.

Well, the only way JG is traded mid-season is if the Sox repeat 2001 and two of their starting pitchers go down and weīre 10 games back at the break.

That is assuming that JG has a repeat of the first half of 2004...if not, he wonīt be quite as valuable, although we could certainly use some more pitching depth in the higher levels. Tracey, Honel and Malone (if undrafted by another team) are pretty much it right now...I guess you can count Haeger and Broadway too. We are okay, could be deeper.

caulfield12
12-08-2005, 12:37 PM
Hammond was 5-1 with a 3.84 era last year.. Jesse Orosco was a very old LR but he still got the batters out


Well, as long as we donīt bring back Kelly Wunsch.

MagicNumber22
12-08-2005, 12:41 PM
Is this Marte deal confirmed? :?:

tebman
12-08-2005, 12:42 PM
He plays everywhere......
2005
3B 65 games
CF 41
RF 23
2B 20
1B 3
LF 1

"...attention please...a change in the lineup...pitching, BugsBunny; catching, BugsBunny; first base, BugsBunny; secondbase, BugsBunny; thirdbase..."

http://www.animationusa.com/picts/baseball/2_BBBugs.jpg

mdep524
12-08-2005, 12:45 PM
How much of this trade do you think was expedited by Boston offering Tony G (and Bill Mueller) arbitration? That instantly made Mac cheaper, since the choice became trade a top draft pick for Graff or Marte for Mac.

Overall I like the move. KW gets his super sub, though not of the caliber of Graff, Mueller, Loretta, Nomar that we were talking about weeks ago. Now bring us Mike Myers, the ultimate LOOGY...

soxfanatlanta
12-08-2005, 12:50 PM
"...attention please...a change in the lineup...pitching, BugsBunny; catching, BugsBunny; first base, BugsBunny; secondbase, BugsBunny; thirdbase..."



Good one!
:rolling:

PINWHEELS
12-08-2005, 12:52 PM
:hawk Oak Lawn YEEESSS! They Got Some Of My Money.

caulfield12
12-08-2005, 12:54 PM
How much of this trade do you think was expedited by Boston offering Tony G (and Bill Mueller) arbitration? That instantly made Mac cheaper, since the choice became trade a top draft pick for Graff or Marte for Mac.

Overall I like the move. KW gets his super sub, though not of the caliber of Graff, Mueller, Loretta, Nomar that we were talking about weeks ago. Now bring us Mike Myers, the ultimate LOOGY...

I think Mackowiak is the pick for sure over Graffanino, heīs definitely a more versatile player, and he hits for more pop.

Mueller, no chance to get him as a back-up, he wouldnīt have been happy on the bench.

Loretta and Nomar, if healthy, are better players...but thatīs an unknown, and we already have Iguchi, so thereīs no need for Loretta unless we have no Tad.

Corlose 15
12-08-2005, 12:57 PM
So when can we expect Rob to hit a go ahead WS homerun?:D:

JUribe1989
12-08-2005, 01:00 PM
"...attention please...a change in the lineup...pitching, BugsBunny; catching, BugsBunny; first base, BugsBunny; secondbase, BugsBunny; thirdbase..."

http://www.animationusa.com/picts/baseball/2_BBBugs.jpg
Looks like Rob already has a nickname:D: .

"Bugs" Mackowiak!

Exit_Only
12-08-2005, 01:02 PM
Jerry's Finally going to Cell, I mean Sell!


Borchard for Dustin Diamond!

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:o: LMAO!

Flight #24
12-08-2005, 01:04 PM
OK, per MLB4U, Mackowiak made $1.5M last year and has 3+yrs of service time. I think they report it as of start of the '05 season, so he'd be a 4-yr player. Which I believe makes him arb-eligible, anyone know how that works since the deadline's passed?


I'm guessing that in arb he'll make around $2M, so salaries are a wash. But we still need a LOOGY, unless they're going with just Cotts.

Ol' No. 2
12-08-2005, 01:05 PM
OK, per MLB4U, Mackowiak made $1.5M last year and has 3+yrs of service time. I think they report it as of start of the '05 season, so he'd be a 4-yr player. Which I believe makes him arb-eligible, anyone know how that works since the deadline's passed?


I'm guessing that in arb he'll make around $2M, so salaries are a wash. But we still need a LOOGY, unless they're going with just Cotts.The deadline for non-FA players is Dec 20.

Flight #24
12-08-2005, 01:09 PM
The deadline for non-FA players is Dec 20.

Thanks. Interesting that KW just swapped a LOOGY for a UT from a salary perspective. Which means he's still got some payroll wiggle room (or other moves planned to shed $$$). Or that he's happy with the 'pen swapping in Duque for Marte, which seems odd to me.

CHIsoxNation
12-08-2005, 01:10 PM
OK, per MLB4U, Mackowiak made $1.5M last year and has 3+yrs of service time. I think they report it as of start of the '05 season, so he'd be a 4-yr player. Which I believe makes him arb-eligible, anyone know how that works since the deadline's passed?


I'm guessing that in arb he'll make around $2M, so salaries are a wash. But we still need a LOOGY, unless they're going with just Cotts.

I think if we HAD to, I'd be perfectly OK with going into the season with Cotts as our only left in the pen. Having Cotts, Politte, and Hermanson at the back of the rotation to set things up for Jenks is pretty good, IMO.

I haven't looked over the stats in a while, but I'm pretty sure Politte did just fine against lefties. Cotts didn't seam to get much work in until Ozzie lost faith in Marte and started throwing in Cotts at the end of the games.

Also, considering the majority of our starting pitchers go 6-8 innings, I don't think there is a sense of urgency to add someone else to the pen. Especially if Ozzie plans on moving El Duque back there.

soxfan26
12-08-2005, 01:12 PM
Oh sweet Jesus. I was about to start studdying for a final and said "I'll just check WSI and see what is going on." So much for studdying...

caulfield12
12-08-2005, 01:13 PM
I think if we HAD to, I'd be perfectly OK with going into the season with Cotts as our only left in the pen. Having Cotts, Politte, and Hermanson at the back of the rotation to set things up for Jenks is pretty good, IMO.

I haven't looked over the stats in a while, but I'm pretty sure Politte did just fine against lefties. Cotts didn't seam to get much work in until Ozzie lost faith in Marte and started throwing in Cotts at the end of the games.

Also, considering the majority of our starting pitchers go 6-8 innings, I don't think there is a sense of urgency to add someone else to the pen. Especially if Ozzie plans on moving El Duque back there.

I think Jenks was really effective against lefties too...donīt have the stats in front of me, but that slider he threw (not quite Mariano Riveraīs but nice) was devastating down the stretch.

Maybe someone has the stats and I am wrong about that observation.

A. Cavatica
12-08-2005, 01:14 PM
Pittsburgh doesn't have much use for Marte & his salary, but they could move him along.

mdep524
12-08-2005, 01:19 PM
I think if we HAD to, I'd be perfectly OK with going into the season with Cotts as our only left in the pen. Having Cotts, Politte, and Hermanson at the back of the rotation to set things up for Jenks is pretty good, IMO.

I haven't looked over the stats in a while, but I'm pretty sure Politte did just fine against lefties. Cotts didn't seam to get much work in until Ozzie lost faith in Marte and started throwing in Cotts at the end of the games.

Also, considering the majority of our starting pitchers go 6-8 innings, I don't think there is a sense of urgency to add someone else to the pen. Especially if Ozzie plans on moving El Duque back there. ...and the long-forgotten Luis Vizcaino was noted for being effective against lefties as well.

Lip Man 1
12-08-2005, 01:22 PM
You need to remember Hermanson's back issue is just that an issue. It could flair up again. Then what? My guess is the Sox will add another relief pitcher to the mix, it may not automatically be a lefty but they'll add someone. Kenny isn't stupid and is not going to be put back in the situation where the Arnie Munoz's and Kevin Walker's of the world are going to get called up.

Lip

Ol' No. 2
12-08-2005, 01:24 PM
I think if we HAD to, I'd be perfectly OK with going into the season with Cotts as our only left in the pen. Having Cotts, Politte, and Hermanson at the back of the rotation to set things up for Jenks is pretty good, IMO.

I haven't looked over the stats in a while, but I'm pretty sure Politte did just fine against lefties. Cotts didn't seam to get much work in until Ozzie lost faith in Marte and started throwing in Cotts at the end of the games.

Also, considering the majority of our starting pitchers go 6-8 innings, I don't think there is a sense of urgency to add someone else to the pen. Especially if Ozzie plans on moving El Duque back there.I agree it's not an essential move, but knowing how Ozzie likes to play the righty-lefty matchups, I'd expect getting a LOOGY will be a priority. Myers played for $600K last year, so they could certainly afford to sign him. Villone is due $2M in 2006, so he's relatively affordable, and could probably be had for Willie Harris.

rocky biddle
12-08-2005, 01:25 PM
How long before Damaso is traded to the cubs for some ivy seeds and the trib proclaims him the greatest lefty in the league?

shaunburnette
12-08-2005, 01:26 PM
So is this trade finalized? Why have there been no published reports?

The Dude
12-08-2005, 01:32 PM
So is this trade finalized? Why have there been no published reports?

Yes they keep reporting it on the score and say its just pending physicals.
Also, I do like the Mike Myers possibility.

caulfield12
12-08-2005, 01:32 PM
You need to remember Hermanson's back issue is just that an issue. It could flair up again. Then what? My guess is the Sox will add another relief pitcher to the mix, it may not automatically be a lefty but they'll add someone. Kenny isn't stupid and is not going to be put back in the situation where the Arnie Munoz's and Kevin Walker's of the world are going to get called up.

Lip

Mike Porzio is available....we had Josh Stewart too, but I think we sold his rights to Japan, correct?

Just kidding about Porzio. Or Vic Darensbourg.

We could always give Malone and Munoz a look ST.

thepaulbowski
12-08-2005, 01:39 PM
Also, I do like the Mike Myers possibility.

"So I Married an Axe Murderer" was a great movie...:smokin:

infohawk
12-08-2005, 01:40 PM
I mentioned in an earlier post that I went to the same high school as Rob but graduated a year before he started. Anyway, just for fun I have provided a link (http://www.olchs.org/allstar.htm) to the Oak Lawn Community H.S. All-Star Athletic Teams. Click on "boys baseball" and you will find Mackowiak on the top right-hand side. They did screw up the year, but it is him.

Dick Allen
12-08-2005, 01:40 PM
I think Jenks was really effective against lefties too...donīt have the stats in front of me, but that slider he threw (not quite Mariano Riveraīs but nice) was devastating down the stretch.

Maybe someone has the stats and I am wrong about that observation.He looked OK against a lefty in an out we'll never forget.

Frater Perdurabo
12-08-2005, 01:44 PM
I've wanted Rob Mackowiak on the Sox for several months now; glad to see his coming home to the South Side!

:supernana:

depy48
12-08-2005, 01:45 PM
We could always give Malone and Munoz a look ST.

correct me if im wrong, but didnt we lose malone in the rule 5 draft?

Shift
12-08-2005, 01:53 PM
The Royals picked up Fabio Castro (A -Winston-Salem) in the Rule 5 draft.

pythons007
12-08-2005, 01:55 PM
YOU hate the Cubs? No way, I'm SHOCKED!

Do you honestly think the Cubs go around falsely spreading information about people being Cubs fans?

When in doubt everyone is a Cubs fan!

NonetheLoaiza
12-08-2005, 01:56 PM
awesome acquisition.

nccwsfan
12-08-2005, 01:57 PM
Parroting the thoughts of others who have already posted, but this is a solid move by KW. Getting an insurance player who is also versatile on defense is an improvement. They will need to get another LOOGY in here, but knowing KW he's already 2 steps ahead of us....

As if this offseason needed to get any better! :smile:

Unregistered
12-08-2005, 01:58 PM
The Royals picked up Fabio Castro (A -Winston-Salem) in the Rule 5 draft.And the Sox got Tim Hummel(3B) back from St. Louis.

Optipessimism
12-08-2005, 02:01 PM
Nice move Kenny!!!

I'll miss Damaso if he gets his head back together, but Mackowiak is going to help us right away no questions asked. No Mueller or Graff now. We're set in the infield.

KyWhiSoxFan
12-08-2005, 02:03 PM
Anytime you can get something (Mackowiak) for nothing (Marte) and save $1-million in salary, you're way ahead of the game, particulaly when the player we got plays a number of positions and bats lefty. Thankfully, I no longer have to watch Marte give up a hit and a walk every inning every time he pitches. I can't stand that guy.

Deuce
12-08-2005, 02:09 PM
Marte for MackowiakHe's from Oak Lawn, so he can't be all that bad. :)

Whitesox4ever
12-08-2005, 02:09 PM
From the Pitt Post gazzete

DALLAS -- At the close of Major League Baseball's winter meetings today, the Pirates finished with a flourish. They reached agreement on a trade that will send utilityman Rob Mackowiak to the Chicago White Sox for left-handed reliever Damaso Marte, pending physicals.

MsSoxVixen22
12-08-2005, 02:12 PM
All I gotta say is.....NA NA NA HEY HEY GOODBYE!! I'm so glad they traded Marte-he gave me a freakin heart attack everytime he came outta the bullpen! Anything good he had, is long gone.

UofCSoxFan
12-08-2005, 02:12 PM
Fox 32 reported this on their sports segment...so if they are reporting it, it is done.

wdelaney72
12-08-2005, 02:21 PM
I like the trade, but there's no chance that Kenny goes into the season with one lefty in the bullpen.

Mike Myers is from Arlington Heights. I like him more than Marte simply from the standpoint of less walks.

Graff was not a good fit. Our infield starters are all RH hitters. Our bench needed more LH bats.

I just want to know what Boston plans to do with all of their infielders. They offered arbitration to Mueller and Graf and already have Lowell and Loretta from trades.

dpbyron
12-08-2005, 02:29 PM
I mentioned in an earlier post that I went to the same high school as Rob but graduated a year before he started. Anyway, just for fun I have provided a link (http://www.olchs.org/allstar.htm) to the Oak Lawn Community H.S. All-Star Athletic Teams. Click on "boys baseball" and you will find Mackowiak on the top right-hand side. They did screw up the year, but it is him.

Actually that is his Dad. Bobby transferred after his Junior year to Lake Central...

I see another name on that list that looks familiar though! :cool:

longshot7
12-08-2005, 02:29 PM
Great trade - goooooooooooood bye Damaso!!!

Is Mackowiak primarily an infielder or outfielder???

HotelWhiteSox
12-08-2005, 02:29 PM
I really like this trade. Mackowiak is one of my favorite util type guys (since he can play anywhere), so you know he'll be put to use since Ozzie is managing and has already stated he still plans on giving Iguchi a lot of days off so he doesn't get tired. Not to mention this is also the insurance for Crede's back, just in case. Or, if Anderson completely bombs (I'm sure he'll be part of the ST competition too though) then he can get a lot of playing time in Center. I've only mainly see him when he plays the Flubs, the only limited time I watch NL ball, and he always killed them, I really like this guy.

I'm sure outsiders will act as if the Sox got fleeced here, because they see Marte and think premium lefty and cream themselves and see he was traded for a utility guy, but they don't understand how Marte gets scared against lefties and gets righties out better. Also, Ozzie has already publicly said that he was afraid to use him at home, and you're basically wasting an important roster/bullpen spot when you know you can't send the guy out there. He had great stuff, but he just seemed to lose it after getting paid. If I could trace it back, I'd say it was either on the opening day where he lost the game at KC or when he broke Chavez's hand in Oakland, that seemed to shake him up. Whatever was in his head, farewell. It'll be interesting to see what happens when Marte faces C Lee :D:

Also, I'm guessing KW saved some money with this, now go out and get a REAL lefty specialist! I lovvvvvveee KW :smile:

KRS1
12-08-2005, 02:30 PM
I know theres a lot of hate going around for Damaso, and I really cant blame anyone since he did lack heart during a good amount of his appearances last season and his rift with Ozzie. On the other hand though I'm going to miss a lefty who can throw 95 with a sometimes wicked slider, honestly guys when he throws strikes lefties and rightys alike cant touch his stuff. I guess the keyword is when he throws strikes and he threw very few last year so in saying all that I'm ecstatic we got Rob outta this trade giving us the supersub we always needed.

eriqjaffe
12-08-2005, 02:31 PM
Confirmation!

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051208&content_id=1279340&vkey=news_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws

I didn't see this posted yet, feel free to delete this if I'm being redundant.

PINWHEELS
12-08-2005, 02:31 PM
:KW Listen Here: If Your Not From Illinois We Don't Want Ya !

HotelWhiteSox
12-08-2005, 02:37 PM
It's on whitesox.com for those wanting confirmation

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051208&content_id=1279340&vkey=news_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws

tebman
12-08-2005, 02:37 PM
I know theres a lot of hate going around for Damaso, and I really cant blame anyone since he did lack heart during a good amount of his appearances last season and his rift with Ozzie. On the other hand though I'm going to miss a lefty who can throw 95 with a sometimes wicked slider, honestly guys when he throws strikes lefties and rightys alike cant touch his stuff. I guess the keyword is when he throws strikes and he threw very few last year so in saying all that I'm ecstatic we got Rob outta this trade giving us the supersub we always needed.
You've pretty much summarized it -- the key word is when he throws strikes. "Hate" for Marte is pretty harsh, but it was pretty clear that he had fallen off the track last season. He could be a very good pitcher, and maybe being with a new team will do that for him. Good luck, Damaso.

And you gotta like it from the Sox' end of the deal. RM (I feel like I know him well enough to use his initials) is just about the perfect fit in the puzzle that KW's putting together for '06.

Order your playoff tickets soon!

Tekijawa
12-08-2005, 02:39 PM
RM (I feel like I know him well enough to use his initials) is just about the perfect fit in the puzzle that KW's putting together for '06.


I've always referred to him as Ro Mak

eriqjaffe
12-08-2005, 02:40 PM
He could be a very good pitcher, and maybe being with a new team will do that for him.But Pittsburgh's not a new team for him!

Unregistered
12-08-2005, 02:42 PM
I've always referred to him as Ro MakOr good Ol' RMac for short. :wink:

ChiSoxGirl
12-08-2005, 02:54 PM
From whitesox.com:

The White Sox reportedly have a couple of lefties already lined up to fill Marte's void behind Cotts, lefties from outside of the organization with the same potential Marte had when he was acquired from Pittsburgh. Internal options such as Arnie Munoz and Paulino Reynoso also will be explored.
Didn't we try the Arnie Munoz experiment (as one of the infamous fifth starters) once before? I've heard of both guys, but without my Media Guide in front of me, couldn't tell you much about them. Anybody know if they have any specialty pitches???

The addition of Mackowiak, who hit .272 in 2005 and knocked out 17 home runs in 2004, also means the end of the line with the White Sox for outfielder Timo Perez and infielder Willie Harris. Both are expected to be non-tendered at the arbitration deadline. The move also could mean a new location for Ross Gload, with basically the fourth outfielder's spot the only roster opening remaining, and rookie Jerry Owens apparently a leading candidate to fill that void.
This sounds fine to me! Timo had only a handful of clutch or meaningful hits in his tenure with the Sox. However, we'll always remember Willie Harris for his pinch-hit in the bottom of the 8th in Game 4 of the World Series- probably one of the greatest and most meaningful hits of his short major league career.

Baby Fisk
12-08-2005, 02:56 PM
:KW Listen Here: If Your Not From Illinois We Don't Want Ya !

:ozzie
"Or Venezuela!"

mcfish
12-08-2005, 03:02 PM
Confirmation!

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051208&content_id=1279340&vkey=news_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws

I didn't see this posted yet, feel free to delete this if I'm being redundant."I don't see that many lefties better than Damaso. He has one of the best arms in the bullpen."

This quote from Ozzie makes the trade that much better - because it just confirms that Ozzie would never have stopped putting Marte in games, no matter how obviously bad he got.

Unregistered
12-08-2005, 03:03 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8d/GOBwithaJOB.JPG
"Arnie Munoz, be gone!"

Jjav829
12-08-2005, 03:04 PM
Nice move, Kenny. :thumbsup:

Mackowiak will be a welcome addition to this team. And it's addition by subtraction with Marte leaving. :smile:

hawkjt
12-08-2005, 03:10 PM
Sorry,McFish, I will lean toward Ozzie knowing who the best arms in the bullpen were over you. He is stating the obvious. Jenks is the only guy in that bullpen other than Damaso who can top 94mph.

CHIsoxNation
12-08-2005, 03:15 PM
"I don't see that many lefties better than Damaso. He has one of the best arms in the bullpen."

This quote from Ozzie makes the trade that much better - because it just confirms that Ozzie would never have stopped putting Marte in games, no matter how obviously bad he got.

Is it possible Ozzie saw this trade coming and wanted to talk up Marte a little bit more? I read in the paper today that Kenny knew a deal would be announced for a utility guy by tomorrow.

Don't get me wrong, when Marte is on his game he is one of the best lefties out there but he has shown nothing but a decline the past couple of years.

KRS1
12-08-2005, 03:16 PM
Sorry,McFish, I will lean toward Ozzie knowing who the best arms in the bullpen were over you. He is stating the obvious. Jenks is the only guy in that bullpen other than Damaso who can top 94mph.

What about me:pollite:

and maybe Vizc was tired from the innings he threw the year before because I remember him throwing in the high 90s early in his career. I think he hit 94 a couple times last year but his main fastball was that 2 seamer @92

mcfish
12-08-2005, 03:18 PM
Sorry,McFish, I will lean toward Ozzie knowing who the best arms in the bullpen were over you. He is stating the obvious. Jenks is the only guy in that bullpen other than Damaso who can top 94mph.Great Arm - terrible pitcher. It takes more than a 95 MPH fastball to get guys out, as Marte proved time and time again. You actually have to throw it near the plate.

I don't disagree with Ozzie's statement - I disagree with his continued use of Marte just because he can throw fast. Accuracy is just as important until the fastball gets over 100, which Marte cannot do.

KRS1
12-08-2005, 03:25 PM
I know that we just signed him to a 500k deal but doesnt this trade make Pablo more redundant than Willie. Wille had no errors last year in 2 games at SS and 2 in 28 games at 2nd, Pablo's starts at third will be taken by Rob as well as his OF fill ins. I like Pablo a lot and his speed as a utility guy is valuable, but fielding at .941 at third and .964 at SS should be a red flag. I have no doubt that willie is better fielder anywhere thay play him w/ the exclusion of 3rd base, and he also has better as well as younger/fresher legs on the basepaths. JMO but Willie is not the one we should be talking about as they odd man out here.

The_Floridian
12-08-2005, 03:38 PM
I know that we just signed him to a 500k deal but doesnt this trade make Pablo more redundant than Willie. Wille had no errors last year in 2 games at SS and 2 in 28 games at 2nd, Pablo's starts at third will be taken by Rob as well as his OF fill ins. I like Pablo a lot and his speed as a utility guy is valuable, but fielding at .941 at third and .964 at SS should be a red flag. I have no doubt that willie is better fielder anywhere thay play him w/ the exclusion of 3rd base, and he also has better as well as younger/fresher legs on the basepaths. JMO but Willie is not the one we should be talking about as they odd man out here.

This is a fair assessment, but you're looking for a utility player and Willie is a borderline starter. I know a lot of people don't think he's that good, but he seemed to really turn a corner this year (remember, Pods was 27 before he did anything too). Willie has been up for a few years and is out of options. It's time for him to move on to a team where he has a shot to be a starter (see: Tony Graffanino).

Keeping Willie doesn't make sense because you're paying more money basically to waste his talent. You're also asking him to sit the bench when you both know he deserves a better shot than that. Willie has a chance to be a starter somewhere, but that somewhere will never be here.

Therefore, you let Willie move on, keep Pablo in a role he's thrilled to have, and don't clog up the line for any future infield prospects.

KRS1
12-08-2005, 03:46 PM
This is a fair assessment, but you're looking for a utility player and Willie is a borderline starter. I know a lot of people don't think he's that good, but he seemed to really turn a corner this year (remember, Pods was 27 before he did anything too). Willie has been up for a few years and is out of options. It's time for him to move on to a team where he has a shot to be a starter (see: Tony Graffanino).

Keeping Willie doesn't make sense because you're paying more money basically to waste his talent. You're also asking him to sit the bench when you both know he deserves a better shot than that. Willie has a chance to be a starter somewhere, but that somewhere will never be here.

Therefore, you let Willie move on, keep Pablo in a role he's thrilled to have, and don't clog up the line for any future infield prospects.

Who Getz and Valido? Neither of them project to the majors for a good couple of seasons. I hate to say make him stay but we have Willie's rights until 09' and unless we can get another speedy middle infield guy whos close to or at the major league level I would do just that. The way Ozzie runs his team the should be plenty of oppurtunities for each guy to play a couple times a week, and if we learned anything about the past, injuries are going to happen. If, God forbid, Tads goes down do we plug in Mack as an everyday 2b and have Pablo as our only infield utility guy? That situation would suck but you have to plan for those things to happen and Willie may not like it but he is ours and we control when or where he plays.

MisterB
12-08-2005, 03:48 PM
I know that we just signed him to a 500k deal but doesnt this trade make Pablo more redundant than Willie. Wille had no errors last year in 2 games at SS and 2 in 28 games at 2nd, Pablo's starts at third will be taken by Rob as well as his OF fill ins. I like Pablo a lot and his speed as a utility guy is valuable, but fielding at .941 at third and .964 at SS should be a red flag. I have no doubt that willie is better fielder anywhere thay play him w/ the exclusion of 3rd base, and he also has better as well as younger/fresher legs on the basepaths. JMO but Willie is not the one we should be talking about as they odd man out here.

1. Willie isn't a SS and isn't willing to add that position to his repertoire. (he was asked to work on it this winter and he refused) Therefore 2B and CF/LF are the only positions he can play.

2. I was at the Oakland game where Willie made his SS debut. He let a tailor-made DP ball roll through his legs allowing the A's to take the lead and give them runners on 1st and 3rd with no out. He wasn't given an error because he didn't even touch the ball. His perfect fielding percentage at SS means jack squat.

nodiggity59
12-08-2005, 03:48 PM
Willie Harris can bring us something decent, either in a mid level prospect or a lefty for the pen. People know he can be a starter and its only a matter of time before someone like the Fish, Colorado, etc. dumps on arbitration guy for someone like him.

Whitesox4ever
12-08-2005, 03:50 PM
Mackowiak, 29, overcame long odds to make the Pirates in 2001 after being drafted in the 53rd round four years earlier. In five seasons with the Bucs, the versatile Mackowiak batted .258 with 52 home runs and 221 RBIs.

For Mackowiak, who grew up just outside of Chicago and was a White Sox fan as a kid, it was bittersweet news to find out that he had been traded from the only organization he had ever known to his home town team. "It's the team you root for as a kid, it's a winning team and you always dream of playing for a team that has a chance at a championship," said Mackowiak. "But it's always tough to leave the place that you have been your whole career. They gave you your chance and you feel like you owe them the world."

Hitmen77
12-08-2005, 04:04 PM
I like the trade, but there's no chance that Kenny goes into the season with one lefty in the bullpen.

Mike Myers is from Arlington Heights. I like him more than Marte simply from the standpoint of less walks.

Graff was not a good fit. Our infield starters are all RH hitters. Our bench needed more LH bats.

I just want to know what Boston plans to do with all of their infielders. They offered arbitration to Mueller and Graf and already have Lowell and Loretta from trades.

Looks like Myers has signed with the Yankees. So, what are the Sox options for a LOOGY now?

Chip Z'nuff
12-08-2005, 04:05 PM
Oak Lawn, YES!
I love email
http://www.villageofoaklawn.com/sealnice.jpg (http://www.oaklawn-il.gov/)

nasox
12-08-2005, 04:06 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8d/GOBwithaJOB.JPG
"Arnie Munoz, be gone!"



:ozzie
"Nice trick, KW"


:KW

"Illusion Ozzie, Illusion"
:bandance:

Randar68
12-08-2005, 04:12 PM
Looks like Myers has signed with the Yankees. So, what are the Sox options for a LOOGY now?

Arnie Munoz? Use Bajenaru and his slider against lefties? Corwin Malone out of the pen?

Who knows at this point, but I'd rather have an effective righty I can use against righties and lefties than a lefty I'm afraid of using against anyone.

The Dude
12-08-2005, 04:19 PM
From whitesox.com:

The addition of Mackowiak, who hit .272 in 2005 and knocked out 17 home runs in 2004, also means the end of the line with the White Sox for outfielder Timo Perez and infielder Willie Harris. Both are expected to be non-tendered at the arbitration deadline. The move also could mean a new location for Ross Gload, with basically the fourth outfielder's spot the only roster opening remaining, and rookie Jerry Owens apparently a leading candidate to fill that void.
.

Wow...there is a god!!! Thank goodness we wont have to have these Timo/Harris arguments anymore. And I'm sure somewhere Bafiarocks and TimoPerez are crying their eyes out! This deserves a....

http://static.flickr.com/33/65389567_9737b2a6b0_o.jpg

gf2020
12-08-2005, 04:19 PM
:ozzie
"Nice trick, KW"


:KW

"Illusion Ozzie, Illusion"
:bandance:

POTW!

Mohoney
12-08-2005, 04:35 PM
I know that we just signed him to a 500k deal but doesnt this trade make Pablo more redundant than Willie. Wille had no errors last year in 2 games at SS and 2 in 28 games at 2nd, Pablo's starts at third will be taken by Rob as well as his OF fill ins. I like Pablo a lot and his speed as a utility guy is valuable, but fielding at .941 at third and .964 at SS should be a red flag. I have no doubt that willie is better fielder anywhere thay play him w/ the exclusion of 3rd base, and he also has better as well as younger/fresher legs on the basepaths. JMO but Willie is not the one we should be talking about as they odd man out here.

It doesn't really make Pablo redundant, it just basically relegates him to backup SS and 2B.

KRS1
12-08-2005, 04:39 PM
It doesn't really make Pablo redundant, it just basically relegates him to backup SS and 2B.

One thing I dont want to see is him at 2nd again, wow was he a butcher.

Randar68
12-08-2005, 05:01 PM
It doesn't really make Pablo redundant, it just basically relegates him to backup SS and 2B.

The problem is, they didn't even trust him at SS last year. He looked decent at SS in the Spring, but when Uribe got hurt, Dye played there and then they recalled Pedro Lopez.

We're still short a legit utility IF'er who can play SS, folks. Graffy doesn't help it either.

Not sure who is out there to help and backup at SS???

anewman35
12-08-2005, 05:16 PM
The problem is, they didn't even trust him at SS last year. He looked decent at SS in the Spring, but when Uribe got hurt, Dye played there and then they recalled Pedro Lopez.


I don't recall the exact details, but wasn't Ozuna hurt at the time? I'm almost positive he wasn't available, which is why they had to use Dye.

Man Soo Lee
12-08-2005, 05:27 PM
I don't recall the exact details, but wasn't Ozuna hurt at the time? I'm almost positive he wasn't available, which is why they had to use Dye.

Ozuna had been hit in the wrist by a pitch the night before and didn't play for a week.

CanBuehrleWait
12-08-2005, 05:33 PM
I don't recall the exact details, but wasn't Ozuna hurt at the time? I'm almost positive he wasn't available, which is why they had to use Dye.
The infamous Oakland fiasco. Pablo was hurt at the time was his hand or something.

Edit: Blast You Man Soo Beat me TO.... It. :smile:

caulfield12
12-08-2005, 06:48 PM
Originally Posted by ChiSoxGirl
From whitesox.com:

The addition of Mackowiak, who hit .272 in 2005 and knocked out 17 home runs in 2004, also means the end of the line with the White Sox for outfielder Timo Perez and infielder Willie Harris. Both are expected to be non-tendered at the arbitration deadline. The move also could mean a new location for Ross Gload, with basically the fourth outfielder's spot the only roster opening remaining, and rookie Jerry Owens apparently a leading candidate to fill that void.
.

Itīs pretty darned presumptuous of whitesox.com to write an epitaph for these guys already. Very speculative. I am surprised something like this came from the team itself.

The White Sox would be better tendering Harris an offer, then trading him. With Perez, it makes more sense, thereīs no reason to pay him $1 million or whatever.

Owens will only make the team as a starter, same with Anderson.

mdep524
12-08-2005, 07:04 PM
Owens will only make the team as a starter, same with Anderson. I agree with this part. I don't see Owens making the team as a reserve. If he's not going to get at bats and playing time with the big club, let him develop in AAA.

DickAllen72
12-08-2005, 07:07 PM
I agree with this part. I don't see Owens making the team as a reserve. If he's not going to get at bats and playing time with the big club, let him develop in AAA.
Owens as primarily a bench player makes no sense, but if he winds up as a platoon with Anderson in CF splitting time close to 50/50, it makes a lot of sense.

mdep524
12-08-2005, 07:08 PM
Owens as primarily a bench player makes no sense, but if he winds up as a platoon with Anderson in CF splitting time close to 50/50, it makes a lot of sense. Agreed.

maurice
12-08-2005, 07:36 PM
I have no problem with using righties to get lefties out. OTOH, knowing Ozzie, he's going to insist on adding a LOOGY. KW should still have a bit of cash left over to spend if a decent option is still available.

Munoz is an interesting option. He never should have been used as a MLB starter. He was extremely young and was a reliever for almost all of his life in baseball. He might do well as a LOOGY. OTOH, KW passed him up at the end of last season when he called up Dave Sanders.

Reynoso is not ready. He's got good stuff but still needs to learn how to throw strikes.

bighurt2719
12-08-2005, 07:47 PM
my uncle was mackoviak's teacher when mack was in 4th grade in oak lawn.

Domeshot17
12-08-2005, 07:49 PM
Atleast Willie left on a high note, getting the little single, running his butt off to score

Timo, well, He Gone. Can't think of many more people who should donate their salary back to the white sox for doing nothing for an entire year.

Im with others thinking gloads a goner too, I think Borchard could be the 4th OF, Owens makes no sense, It is better for the team to have him in triple A getting At Bats then in the MLB not getting At bats.

I think you might see Kenny go after Ricardo Rincon, who is almost entirely a lefty lefty match up pitcher.

Exit_Only
12-08-2005, 07:53 PM
Assuming Garland is not dealt to a team that will be able to afford signing him to a long-term deal.

That will be the toughest thing about next season as well...how long do well hold onto Garland, knowing thereīs a 90% chance we will lose him in the off-season.

Wouldnīt it make more sense to get the best return today...a major-league ready pitching prospect and maybe a AA or AAA catcher that would be insurance for AJ for the future?

Or we can keep Garland for 2006 and go for another WORLD SERIES VICTORY! Obviously we have the right pieces in place being as most of the 2005 Championship team are signed for 2006 and we've upgraded with Thome.

**** trading Garland for a prospect. I say keep him for 2006 even if there's a 100% chance of him leaving after the season because KW will just go out and get a better replacement for less money and build us another Championship squad to go for the 3-peat.

beckett21
12-08-2005, 11:26 PM
Great move by KW. I love this deal.

Mackowiak's a fun player to watch. I've been hoping the Sox would land him for awhile now. He's a perfect fit for this team because of his versatility and his hard-nosed play. A true *grinder*. :D:

Excellent trade.

Welcome home Rob! :gulp::bandance:

FielderJones
12-08-2005, 11:42 PM
my uncle was mackoviak's teacher when mack was in 4th grade in oak lawn.

My wife coached "Bobby" Mackowiak on the 6th grade track team at the same school (Dearborn Heights now Kolb).

Tragg
12-09-2005, 12:15 AM
Owens as primarily a bench player makes no sense, but if he winds up as a platoon with Anderson in CF splitting time close to 50/50, it makes a lot of sense.
I think it will be Anderson and Borchard, at least to start.

Graffy's not an option because he isn't worth 1 much less 2 draft picks.
I don't know why we singed Osuna so quickly - he isn't much and he can't play SS - I guess Ozzie likes him for some reason.
I like this trade for both teams - but we still don't have a SS out of our 2 backup infielders.

Exit_Only
12-09-2005, 12:19 AM
I think it will be Anderson and Borchard, at least to start.

Graffy's not an option because he isn't worth 1 much less 2 draft picks.
I don't know why we singed Osuna so quickly - he isn't much and he can't play SS - I guess Ozzie likes him for some reason.
I like this trade for both teams - but we still don't have a SS out of our 2 backup infielders.

Like Farmer said during the second-half of the season, it seems every time Pablo is in the lineup he does something positive. Pablo Ozuna is an asset to this club.

whitesoxglenn
12-09-2005, 12:26 AM
Mackowiak was a player that I have had on numerous fantasy league rosters, as he can play numerous positions, has some pop in his bat, and can steal some bases for you, fitting in perfectly for Ozzie's and Kenny's need for more speed, and can bat lefthanded, and can also play in the outfield, perhaps signaling the end of Timo Perez in a White Sox uniform. With the way that Ozzie likes the lefty-righty matchups, could a signing of Mike Myers happen next? Just wondering, with the White Sox bringing Tim Hummel back, and getting Cole Armstrong from the Atlanta Braves, and Dewon Day from the Toronto Blue Jays, did the White Sox lose anyone in the Rule 5 draft today? I read in the paper that it looked like that the White Sox would lose Corwin Malone.