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It's Time
12-07-2005, 10:33 PM
Gammons just reported it. Good deal for the Rangers.

It's Time
12-07-2005, 10:35 PM
Link.


http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2251887

KRS1
12-07-2005, 10:35 PM
Brad is a great acquisition for their OF, but Termell is terrible from what Ive seen of him. Hopefully the ML is a good pitcher b/c the Dodgers were offering a quality one.

ViPeRx007
12-07-2005, 10:35 PM
Crikey, I also think it's a good deal for the Rangers. Got a couple good guys in Sledge and Wilkerson.

mdep524
12-07-2005, 10:37 PM
Wow, so many deals going down! :nuts: Bowden sure likes his "toolsy" players. Wonder if Corey Patterson is on his radar now...

Corlose 15
12-07-2005, 10:39 PM
Sledge and Wilkerson are both outfielders right? Who plays 2b for the Rangers now?

nodiggity59
12-07-2005, 10:44 PM
Sledge and Wilkerson are both outfielders right? Who plays 2b for the Rangers now?

Willie Harris

TomSkilling
12-07-2005, 10:45 PM
I've always thought that the Rangers had plenty of OF's - and that was part of the reason that Mench was on the market..... well, Mench would almost certainly be traded now I guess. Maybe even to the flubs.

I do agree that it is a great deal for TX. Soriano is vastly overrated, and Wilkerson was in a down year after a good start and should bounce back pretty well.

KRS1
12-07-2005, 10:49 PM
I've always thought that the Rangers had plenty of OF's - and that was part of the reason that Mench was on the market..... well, Mench would almost certainly be traded now I guess. Maybe even to the flubs.

I do agree that it is a great deal for TX. Soriano is vastly overrated, and Wilkerson was in a down year after a good start and should bounce back pretty well.

I still dont think Matthews is a good CF, average at best, does this move Termell to center for the time being? Delucci is also pretty mediocre in the field but is faster than anyone they currently have out there. Oh well who cares I dont like Rangers anywho.

Banix12
12-07-2005, 10:52 PM
With Jose Vidro already entrenched at second base, it's believed that the Nationals would move Soriano to left field.

Man the nationals are just asking for trouble if they are gonna try moving him there. And in RFK stadium his power numbers are gonna drop. I really can't see how this is a good deal for them. Maybe see if Soriano can play SS instead of Christan Guzman?

I gotta think more deals are coming out of this. The rangers now have too many OF and the Nationals now have an incident waiting to happen in the middle infield.

bobowhite
12-07-2005, 10:58 PM
Sledge and Wilkerson are both outfielders right? Who plays 2b for the Rangers now?

Soriano has played in that position, but as for actually playing it, no way.

TheKittle
12-07-2005, 11:00 PM
Man the nationals are just asking for trouble if they are gonna try moving him there. And in RFK stadium his power numbers are gonna drop. I really can't see how this is a good deal for them. Maybe see if Soriano can play SS instead of Christan Guzman?

I gotta think more deals are coming out of this. The rangers now have too many OF and the Nationals now have an incident waiting to happen in the middle infield.

Vidro gets hurt a lot the past two seasons, not playing more than 115 or so games. That's why they made to trade for Spivey last season.

And the Nationals aren't going to play in RFK forever, though it may seem like it.

DSpivack
12-07-2005, 11:31 PM
Why does everyone see this as a good deal for the Rangers? Sledge sucks, but Soriano is much better than Wilkerson. Also depends on how the pitcher turns out, but the Rangers needed pitching and would've ended up much better if they got someone like Broxton, or any kind of pitching.

SOX ADDICT '73
12-07-2005, 11:38 PM
Willie Harris
Willie for Hank Blalock or Michael Young- pull the trigger, Kenny!

KRS1
12-07-2005, 11:46 PM
Why does everyone see this as a good deal for the Rangers? Sledge sucks, but Soriano is much better than Wilkerson. Also depends on how the pitcher turns out, but the Rangers needed pitching and would've ended up much better if they got someone like Broxton, or any kind of pitching.

Gotta agree with you here, like you and I both said the Dodgers were offering a damn good prospect in Broxton, and Sledge is quite possibly the suckiest suck that ever sucked. You pretty much said exactly what I said the first time around but I think Brad can be a pretty explosive hitter in Arlington.

fozzy
12-07-2005, 11:56 PM
i could see a mensch for todd walker trade happening now

gf2020
12-08-2005, 12:37 AM
Gotta agree with you here, like you and I both said the Dodgers were offering a damn good prospect in Broxton
Apparently, that never actually happened according to Peter Gammons, who, ironically enough, originally reported it.

SouthSoxFan
12-08-2005, 02:41 AM
Who plays 2b for the Rangers now?
My guess is Ian Kinsler (http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/K/ian-kinsler.shtml)gets his shot. Meanwhile, the Rangers better get busy finding some pitching. This trade may have saved them some $, but it certainly wasn't an offensive upgrade.

Banix12
12-08-2005, 03:36 AM
Vidro gets hurt a lot the past two seasons, not playing more than 115 or so games. That's why they made to trade for Spivey last season.

And the Nationals aren't going to play in RFK forever, though it may seem like it.

It's one thing to bring in a backup 2b for vidro like Spivey. It's another thing to bring in a second everyday starter.

And while they will be moving out of RFK someday it won't be for a few years now and by that time Soriano could very likely be long gone.

I like the trade for the Rangers. Wilkerson should thrive if he stays there. I don't think Sledge will ever be an everyday starter but he provides a decent lefty bat off the bench as a 4th OF, which is probably the role he is best suited for. I think some of you guys are being way too hard on him. I have seen far worse major league players than Sledge. Sledge can at least hit major league pitching and get on base at a .330 clip, which is far more than I can say about the white sox 4th OF options of Timo and Borchard. Defensively, yeah, he is average at best.

Jjav829
12-08-2005, 07:53 AM
Sledge and Wilkerson are both outfielders right? Who plays 2b for the Rangers now?

Ian Kinsler.

I love trades where the deal doesn't make sense for either team. :?:

The Rangers traded their most valuable trade commodity and didn't get the pitching they desperately, desperately, desperately need in return. The only way this makes sense is if they move Mench for a pitcher.

The Nationals traded away two outfielders for an overrated free-swinging second baseman who is going to be forced to play the outfield. They already have a much better defensive version of Soriano named Jose Guillen.

Nice trade.

rocky biddle
12-08-2005, 08:14 AM
...and Sledge is quite possibly the suckiest suck that ever sucked.

I have nothing to add to this conversation. I just wanted to thank KRS1 for starting my day off with a laugh. Thank you.

wdelaney72
12-08-2005, 08:34 AM
I think the Rangers will move Wilkerson to the Yankees.

Frater Perdurabo
12-08-2005, 09:42 AM
My guess is Ian Kinsler (http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/K/ian-kinsler.shtml)gets his shot. Meanwhile, the Rangers better get busy finding some pitching. This trade may have saved them some $, but it certainly wasn't an offensive upgrade.

Yes. They have wanted to get Kinsler a shot since mid-season last year.

PKalltheway
12-08-2005, 09:42 PM
This deal is a big deal, but it was a bad deal for each team. The Rangers got another bat when they already mash the ball to begin with and they didn't get any better pitching. The Nationals gave up Brad Wilkerson, who is a better overall hitter than Alfonso Soriano, who only got hyped up because he played in New York. He is a good power hitter, but too much of a free swinger. His power numbers will drop playing in spacious RFK Stadium. If I had to pick a winner in this deal, it would be the Rangers. Wilkerson will be lethal in that hitter's ballpark.

DSpivack
12-09-2005, 12:12 AM
This deal is a big deal, but it was a bad deal for each team. The Rangers got another bat when they already mash the ball to begin with and they didn't get any better pitching. The Nationals gave up Brad Wilkerson, who is a better overall hitter than Alfonso Soriano, who only got hyped up because he played in New York. He is a good power hitter, but too much of a free swinger. His power numbers will drop playing in spacious RFK Stadium. If I had to pick a winner in this deal, it would be the Rangers. Wilkerson will be lethal in that hitter's ballpark.

Wilkerson, career:
average= .256 obp= .365 OPS= .817

Soriano, career:
average= .280 obp= .320 OPS= .820

Wilkerson walks more, but also, surprisingly enough, strikes out more than Soriano; Soriano has more power. I wouldn't say Wilkerson is a better hitter overall. Also, Soriano also has speed--- he was 30/32 in stolen bases last year. That said, Soriano is not good defensively at second, but who knows if he could play anywhere else. Wilkerson is a decent, not great, outfielder defensively. Wilkerson is 28 and Soriano is almost 30, so I'd say age is nearly a wash.

You and Jjav hit the nail on the head about this trade--it makes no sense. I figure the Nats are doing it to get "a name" [because he was a former Yank].

Looking at his stats now, Sledge isn't that bad, but will almost certainly not start in Texas. Interestingly enough, the Rangers web site suggested that Wilkerson lead off--he does get on base at a good clip but is not fast [not terribly slow, as he has had about 10 SBs per year, but still]. I really would scratch my head at that, even though he has lead off in the past, he has also hit cleanup.

Another thing the article suggested [http://texas.rangers.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051208&content_id=1279488&vkey=news_tex&fext=.jsp&c_id=tex] was that this does give them not only room to bring up Ian Kinsler to play 2B, but it gives them $5 mil to spend on pitching.

The Rangers now have Wilkerson, Kevin Mench, Termel Sledge, Laynce Nix, David Dellucci, and Gary Mathews Jr. in the OF. I imagine they try and trade some for pitching.

pmck003
12-09-2005, 11:37 AM
This is from espn

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2253650

Looks like the Nats have thier hands full now

wdelaney72
12-09-2005, 12:25 PM
This is from espn

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2253650

Looks like the Nats have thier hands full now

Mr. Vidro, your plane is boarding.