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Fenway
12-07-2005, 09:40 PM
Bob Wickman, owner of 45 saves in 2005, has signed a one-year deal with the Tribe worth $5 million.

http://cleveland.indians.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051207&content_id=1278401&vkey=news_cle&fext=.jsp&c_id=cle

getonbckthr
12-07-2005, 09:42 PM
Was this a pity signing by Wickman?

munchman33
12-07-2005, 09:59 PM
LOL. I can't believe how much these mediocre relievers are getting.

I mean, I know Wickman had a good year. But jeez. He's not a sure thing.

JorgeFabregas
12-07-2005, 10:00 PM
Was he considering retiring or was I imagining things?

RichFitztightly
12-07-2005, 10:09 PM
Was he considering retiring or was I imagining things?

He definitely was after the 2004 season. Then he picked up a ball, and said, "You know I feel pretty good, I'm gonna try to squeeze another year out of this arm." You know what happened next.

SOX ADDICT '73
12-07-2005, 10:11 PM
Early April meltdowns aside, Wickman had a very good year versus the Sox (and everyone else, for that matter). I was glad to hear that, at first, he wouldn't return to the Toons, and then really happy that Hoffman had stayed with the Padres.

My happiness lasted around an hour...what's next, Millwood sticking around too? Thome welching on his deal with the Sox to go where he really wanted to all along?

Meh. This just assures them a more solid hold on second place...

Corlose 15
12-07-2005, 10:42 PM
They still need another starter and someone to replace Howry in the bullpen.

RowanDye
12-07-2005, 11:44 PM
Early April meltdowns aside, Wickman had a very good year versus the Sox (and everyone else, for that matter). I was glad to hear that, at first, he wouldn't return to the Toons, and then really happy that Hoffman had stayed with the Padres.

My happiness lasted around an hour...what's next, Millwood sticking around too? Thome welching on his deal with the Sox to go where he really wanted to all along?

Meh. This just assures them a more solid hold on second place...

Wickman was good last year, but that is only 1 out the last 4. I like this just for the fact that the Indians are obviously left with their second choice.

Flight #24
12-07-2005, 11:52 PM
Wickman was good last year, but that is only 1 out the last 4. I like this just for the fact that the Indians are obviously left with their second choice.

I thought that too, but then I remembered that IIRC he had injury issues in 2003, and his '02 & '04 #s are based on fairly low IP, which makes me wonder if that was the "discovery & recovery" years. His '01 actually wasn't that far off of his '05 outside of the save chances.

But a guy who was debating retirement is probably not the strongest bet to repeat a great year. And they're still probably losing Millwood.

SouthSoxFan
12-08-2005, 03:18 AM
Focus on some key pitching stats, and you'll see that he actually exhibits a very consistent trend: decreasing strikeout rate, and increasing walk and HR rates. In other words, his skills have been declining every year since 2001. His "good" year, 2005, really isn't that impressive by comparison.

The last statistic, BABIP (Batting Avg on Balls in Play), helps explain why he had success in '05 even with the results discussed above. He benefitted from a lot of luck, and possibly from an improved Indians defense (not enough data here to support the latter).

Bottom line: paying $5 million for this guy and expecting anything close to 2005 is a huge gamble


Year K/BB BB/9 K/9 HR/9 BABIP
2001 4.71 1.83 8.65 0.52 .310
2002 3.60 2.62 9.44 0.79 .358
2004 2.60 2.93 7.63 1.17 .333
2005 1.95 3.05 5.95 1.31 .259

soxfanreggie
12-08-2005, 03:30 AM
If they want to tie up more money in him with those declining stats...go right ahead :D: . Heck, why not encourage the Indians to offer Shammy 10 years, $300 million...he deserves more than A-Rod, right? I heard that Palmeiro might want to be an Indian too...5 years $50 million for him would be nice of the Tribe.