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Fenway
12-07-2005, 04:50 PM
More respect for the White Sox

http://sports.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation/seattlesnow/franchiseRanks?year=2006

13. Chicago White Sox (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=CWS)
43. Chicago Bears (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=chi)
44. Chicago Bulls (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=Chi)
73. Chicago Cubs (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=ChC)

This year's formula is:
(.18 x Fan Relations) + (.175 x Bang for the Buck) + (.148 x Ownership) + (.144 x Players) + (.123 x Affordability) + (.099 x Stadium Experience) + (.076 x Coaching) + (.055 x Championships)

White Sox finished 4th in MLB behind Anaheim, Atlanta and Houston (Houston?)

SOXintheBURGH
12-07-2005, 04:54 PM
White Sox rank 1st in 2005 Baseball Standings.

Hitmen77
12-07-2005, 04:57 PM
WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP >>>>>> ESPN ranking.

by the way, it's nice to see the Flubbies way down at #73!

Fenway
12-07-2005, 05:01 PM
WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP >>>>>> ESPN ranking.

by the way, it's nice to see the Flubbies way down at #73!

It is showing the White Sox are indeed on the national radar now and will be for a long time to come.

Winning the World Series didn't help the Marlins at all.

Hitmen77
12-07-2005, 05:03 PM
...and how in the world to the White Sox rank 28th in the category of championships? :kukoo:

Hitmen77
12-07-2005, 05:05 PM
It is showing the White Sox are indeed on the national radar now and will be for a long time to come.

Winning the World Series didn't help the Marlins at all.

Yes, it is good to seem them ranked among the top of teams from the 3 sports.

Coolpapa
12-07-2005, 05:07 PM
Espn's top 4

Yankees
Reds Sox
Mets
Cubs
"The rest ?" asks Espn "**** 'Em"

Baby Fisk
12-07-2005, 05:11 PM
Damn, we lost another meaningless popularity contest. It may not be much, Sox fans, but at least we have this...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/75/Oldtrophy.jpg

Ol' No. 2
12-07-2005, 05:12 PM
...and how in the world to the White Sox rank 28th in the category of championships? :kukoo:Even better, how are the Angels and Diamondbacks ranked 1 and 2???:?:

Johnny Mostil
12-07-2005, 05:19 PM
...and how in the world to the White Sox rank 28th in the category of championships? :kukoo:

The exact wording of the category is "Titles already won or expected--soon" (my emphasis). I could accept that--so ESPN (entitled to its opinion) doesn't think the Sox can repeat (as if any of us care). But then looking at this category last year--when the Sox ranked third from the bottom in MLB--is really hysterical . . .

The Wall
12-07-2005, 05:22 PM
Even better, how are the Angels and Diamondbacks ranked 1 and 2???:?:

Here is how:

through ESPN.com, we asked fans of every MLB, NBA and NFL team to rate their clubs in these 21 topics. Each user was allowed to rate one team per sport, and we gathered more than 30,000 responses.

we grouped the responses for the 21 topics into eight broad categories. For seven of these categories, we used the data collected from fans: Affordability, Championships (past and potential), Coaching, Fan Relations, Ownership, Players (quality and appeal) and Stadium (or Arena) Experience.

So winning actual championships has no relation to what the fans think of their team as a championship club. If you took a poll among cubune subscribers around wrigleyville about who won 2005 world series and use that data, you'd think scrubs were the only team in baseball. What a ****ing joke :angry:

Mr. White Sox
12-07-2005, 05:26 PM
More respect for the White Sox

http://sports.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation/seattlesnow/franchiseRanks?year=2006

13. Chicago White Sox (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=CWS)
43. Chicago Bears (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=chi)
44. Chicago Bulls (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=Chi)
73. Chicago Cubs (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=ChC)

This year's formula is:
(.18 x Fan Relations) + (.175 x Bang for the Buck) + (.148 x Ownership) + (.144 x Players) + (.123 x Affordability) + (.099 x Stadium Experience) + (.076 x Coaching) + (.055 x Championships)

White Sox finished 4th in MLB behind Anaheim, Atlanta and Houston (Houston?)

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=63397
:wink:

Chicago
12-07-2005, 05:27 PM
It is showing the White Sox are indeed on the national radar now and will be for a long time to come.

Winning the World Series didn't help the Marlins at all.

In one way...this makes me happy... in others it doesn't

This is now bringing the fans to allow us to pay our players and to pick up what we need.

But on the other hand... I liked knowing that when I was at cold night game in April, that I was with true fans. I can't stand to think of us becoming the "cool" team to like. I just hope that the fans that seemed to emerge late last season are actually more true fans and not bandwagoners that are making the transition.

Its a hard one...
we need the fans to bring the money...to pay the team
but, who are these fans??? I can't even see the team I grew up with at Sox Fest because its sold out. I didn't get to go to the World Series. and now during this next season when I want to go to a game... Am I going to have to see a broker???

ok sorry for that... we now return you to your regularly scheduled thread.

The Wall
12-07-2005, 05:27 PM
Also, sorting by the ownership column, Milwaukee Brewers have better ownership than Sox? how?? I'd like to know too. If there is one owner that is loyal to his fans in pursuit of championships, isnt it good'ol georgy porgy in NewYork??

Huisj
12-07-2005, 05:28 PM
Here is how:

So winning actual championships has no relation to what the fans think of their team as a championship club. If you took a poll among cubune subscribers around wrigleyville about who won 2005 world series and use that data, you'd think scrubs were the only team in baseball. What a ****ing joke :angry:

It's not that big of a joke. The responses for each team are from their fans. They surveyed people on their favorite team, and then used the responses from each team to come up with the results. That's not that strage at all, considering it's a fan ranking poll, not an ESPN ranking.

I'm wondering if the polling was done before the sox won the WS though. That would explain the low rating for championships.

kjhanson
12-07-2005, 05:43 PM
I've followed these rankings since they came out 4 years ago. The funniest thing is the ranking of Ozzie over the past two years. This year he was ranked 2nd (behind Bellichek (sp?)) for having the greatest on field prescence. Last year he was 66th out of 90.

Johnny Mostil
12-07-2005, 05:49 PM
Also, sorting by the ownership column, Milwaukee Brewers have better ownership than Sox? how?? I'd like to know too. If there is one owner that is loyal to his fans in pursuit of championships, isnt it good'ol georgy porgy in NewYork??

Another amusing result, based I assume on fickle fan responses and other things: White Sox ownership ranked 41st this year, 74th last year. Golly, who are the new shareholders that helped boost this? Bulls ownership ranked 64th last year, 54th this year. Golly, why was Reinsdorf (yes, I know there are other owners who do not overlap for both teams) considered a better basketball owner last year but a better baseball owner this year?

This can be fun if you don't take it seriously . . .

soxfanreggie
12-07-2005, 06:41 PM
Sox are ranked the #13 sports franchise and Ozzie the 2nd best manager in the Ultimatefranchise rankings by ESPN.

As for the Flubs...73rd and Dusty Baker is 78...sure would love to be a Cubs fan now...

Southsider101
12-07-2005, 06:45 PM
I just love the fact that the Minnesota Vikings are rated at Number 90. 90! Apparently, those customer relations cruises on Lake Minnetonka haven't had the desired effect.

RealMenWearBlack
12-07-2005, 07:30 PM
I just love the fact that the Minnesota Vikings are rated at Number 90. 90! Apparently, those customer relations cruises on Lake Minnetonka haven't had the desired effect.

I do too, but
:tealtutor:

soxfanatlanta
12-07-2005, 07:49 PM
Even better, how are the Angels and Diamondbacks ranked 1 and 2???:?:

You just cannot compete with the rally monkey, and that nice, dry heat. I guess this means we finally have to give the trophy back, eh?

Fenway
12-07-2005, 08:27 PM
Also, sorting by the ownership column, Milwaukee Brewers have better ownership than Sox? how?? I'd like to know too. If there is one owner that is loyal to his fans in pursuit of championships, isnt it good'ol georgy porgy in NewYork??

I think that was Milwaukee fans going over the top with their new owner because it means Mr. Baseball "Bud" Selig no longer runs the club. Good for the Brewers, bad for the rest of us.

monkeypants
12-07-2005, 08:53 PM
And the Blackhawks didn't even show up on the list.

I am shocked! Absolutely shocked!

Fenway
12-07-2005, 08:59 PM
And the Blackhawks didn't even show up on the list.

I am shocked! Absolutely shocked!

When they included hockey 2 years ago The Blackhawks were dead last
http://sports.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation/franchiseRanks?sport=all&year=2004

The White Sox were #99

peeonwrigley
12-07-2005, 09:50 PM
Ugh... stadium experience is in the 50s for us; fine whatever.

But the one down the block from me is #5? Lemmings. Let 'em have it, its the only ranking they got better than #59.

soxjim
12-07-2005, 09:58 PM
The only poll I care about is the one that will fly a flag that shows SOX 2005 World Series Champs

CPditka
12-07-2005, 10:20 PM
As some of the individual rankings are skewed, I am overall pleased by this. I realize we have the "ultimate ranking", but this may bode well for more coverage for the Sox, and they really love the OZ. We are the best team in chicago, that means a lot coming from Eastern Sports Propoganda Network (ESPN). I'm cool w/ this ranking, but I'm not patting them on the back, b/c they didnt really give us to much slack in some of the categories.

DenverSock
12-07-2005, 10:38 PM
More respect for the White Sox

http://sports.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation/seattlesnow/franchiseRanks?year=2006

13. Chicago White Sox (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=CWS)
43. Chicago Bears (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=chi)
44. Chicago Bulls (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=Chi)
73. Chicago Cubs (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=ChC)

This year's formula is:
(.18 x Fan Relations) + (.175 x Bang for the Buck) + (.148 x Ownership) + (.144 x Players) + (.123 x Affordability) + (.099 x Stadium Experience) + (.076 x Coaching) + (.055 x Championships)

White Sox finished 4th in MLB behind Anaheim, Atlanta and Houston (Houston?)

And Just how did they come up with the various numbers they plugged in like ownership or coaching? You want us to take this seriously? This is quite clearly a rigged calculation to publish more garbage. This is the sort of stuff which comes out of ESPN because they have 4 or more channels which have to broadcast 24/7 and a magazine, and websites......

Why bother wasting our time with this.

longshot7
12-07-2005, 11:33 PM
Also, prices are relatively high at The Cell. I'd like to see those numbers come down.

Mr. White Sox
12-08-2005, 12:41 AM
Also, prices are relatively high at The Cell. I'd like to see those numbers come down.

:reinsy
ROFLMAOBBQ

Huisj
12-08-2005, 12:43 AM
I'm sorry folks, but I think a lot of people here are missing the point of these rankings. How did they get them? Well, read the top of the stinking page. It explains it right there:

Ultimate Standings: Fan Satisfaction Rankings (http://sports.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation/seattlesnow/franchiseRanks?year=2006)



We know what really matters to fans -- because you told us. We surveyed more than 30,000 fans in SportsNation, and you told us what you want from your favorite team. And then you told us how well your favorite franchise repays you for all the love and money you devote to it . . .

. . . Or look at the table to the right to see the eight categories by which you, the fans of SportsNation, ranked your teams.


All the folks who are coming up with conspiracies about how these prove ESPN still is trying to rip on us and still just loves Wrigley Field are missing the point of these. The Sox responses came from people who took the poll on ESPN.com and said the Sox were their team. Likewise, the Cubs responses are done by people who say they are Cub fans. Of course Cub fans are going to say they love Wrigley Field. Duh, we all know that they think it's the mecca of the entire baseball world. And of course people for the last few years didn't like Riensdorf as an owner in either sport--the Sox had never gotten over the hump with him, he seemed to always be cheap, and obviously the Bull had sucked ever since the end of the Jordan era.

As much as ESPN still stinks and seems biased, I don't think this can be said to be a conspiracy. Instead, what it says is that people who are Sox fans and voted on ESPN's poll are much more pleased with the organization right now than they were over the last few years. A few other teams fans are even more pleased with aspects their own organizations, and that is nobody's fault, not even ESPN's.

na_na_na_na
12-08-2005, 12:59 AM
http://www.pjvaughan.com/hahaSox.jpg

gowhitesox
12-08-2005, 03:06 AM
It comes as no surprise that the Sox are rated the best of all the Chicago teams, since the Sox are the World Champions. I think they should be rated higher than 13th overall.

Bobbo35
12-08-2005, 06:54 AM
Damn, we lost another meaningless popularity contest. It may not be much, Sox fans, but at least we have this...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/75/Oldtrophy.jpg

That is exactly right!!!

DenverSock
12-08-2005, 07:27 AM
I'm sorry folks, but I think a lot of people here are missing the point of these rankings. How did they get them? Well, read the top of the stinking page. It explains it right there:



All the folks who are coming up with conspiracies about how these prove ESPN still is trying to rip on us and still just loves Wrigley Field are missing the point of these. The Sox responses came from people who took the poll on ESPN.com and said the Sox were their team. Likewise, the Cubs responses are done by people who say they are Cub fans. Of course Cub fans are going to say they love Wrigley Field. Duh, we all know that they think it's the mecca of the entire baseball world. And of course people for the last few years didn't like Riensdorf as an owner in either sport--the Sox had never gotten over the hump with him, he seemed to always be cheap, and obviously the Bull had sucked ever since the end of the Jordan era.

As much as ESPN still stinks and seems biased, I don't think this can be said to be a conspiracy. Instead, what it says is that people who are Sox fans and voted on ESPN's poll are much more pleased with the organization right now than they were over the last few years. A few other teams fans are even more pleased with aspects their own organizations, and that is nobody's fault, not even ESPN's.

I stand corrected. a bunch of self selected fans goes out and takes a poll on ESPN, which converts their answers into numbers we don't know how......

and I thought this was a meaningless exercise in stupitidy to fill up air time.

:roflmao::rolling::rolling::roflmao:

Huisj
12-08-2005, 05:05 PM
I stand corrected. a bunch of self selected fans goes out and takes a poll on ESPN, which converts their answers into numbers we don't know how......

and I thought this was a meaningless exercise in stupitidy to fill up air time.

:roflmao::rolling::rolling::roflmao:


Actually, they explain how they get the numbers too, and they even explain how they decided on how to get the numbers too.

I'm not saying it's the best poll in the world. I think it's a little bit goofy how they weight certain things over other things (like, why aren't championship weighted higher?). However, apparently some other fans thought different than me.

It just seems like a lot of people are so focused on hating ESPN that they automatically assume that Peter Gammons, Karl Ravich, and Steve Phillips got together and made up a bunch of magic numbers to put down in a chart. It doesn't look like that was the case.

PKalltheway
12-08-2005, 10:39 PM
Eastern Sports Propoganda Network (ESPN).

Nice!:cool:

PKalltheway
12-08-2005, 10:42 PM
I'm sorry folks, but I think a lot of people here are missing the point of these rankings. How did they get them? Well, read the top of the stinking page. It explains it right there:



All the folks who are coming up with conspiracies about how these prove ESPN still is trying to rip on us and still just loves Wrigley Field are missing the point of these. The Sox responses came from people who took the poll on ESPN.com and said the Sox were their team. Likewise, the Cubs responses are done by people who say they are Cub fans. Of course Cub fans are going to say they love Wrigley Field. Duh, we all know that they think it's the mecca of the entire baseball world. And of course people for the last few years didn't like Riensdorf as an owner in either sport--the Sox had never gotten over the hump with him, he seemed to always be cheap, and obviously the Bull had sucked ever since the end of the Jordan era.

As much as ESPN still stinks and seems biased, I don't think this can be said to be a conspiracy. Instead, what it says is that people who are Sox fans and voted on ESPN's poll are much more pleased with the organization right now than they were over the last few years. A few other teams fans are even more pleased with aspects their own organizations, and that is nobody's fault, not even ESPN's.

You're 110% correct on that one

Hitmen77
12-08-2005, 11:04 PM
All the folks who are coming up with conspiracies about how these prove ESPN still is trying to rip on us and still just loves Wrigley Field are missing the point of these. The Sox responses came from people who took the poll on ESPN.com and said the Sox were their team. Likewise, the Cubs responses are done by people who say they are Cub fans. Of course Cub fans are going to say they love Wrigley Field. Duh, we all know that they think it's the mecca of the entire baseball world. And of course people for the last few years didn't like Riensdorf as an owner in either sport --the Sox had never gotten over the hump with him until this year, he seemed to always be cheap until this year, and obviously the Bulls had sucked ever since the end of the Jordan era. ....

Fixed it for you.