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gowhitesox
12-06-2005, 01:15 PM
Just heard on the noon news in San Antonio, that the Florida Marlins are talking to San Antonio about moving the team here. I don't know where in the world they would play here, the Alamodome wasn't built for baseball. The only stadium is for the Texas League's San Antonio Missions and that holds about 7,000 people.

If the city were to build a stadium, I have no idea who would pay for it. I will believe it when I see it. Thought this might be found of interest. To me it's rumor so take for what it's worth.

Unregistered
12-06-2005, 01:18 PM
3 baseball teams in a football state?

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/winningugly/sigs/bs.JPG

Baby Fisk
12-06-2005, 01:19 PM
The Marlins' president held a news conference two weeks ago, declaring that if the Florida Legislature didn't pony up the cash for a new Miami ballpark, they would look at relocation -- sooner rather than later. I can't see them going to San Antonio either.

Seven Cities Interested in Marlins (http://florida.marlins.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051201&content_id=1274448&vkey=news_fla&fext=.jsp&c_id=fla)

kittle42
12-06-2005, 01:33 PM
I really hope they move to Vegas. I need a team there to justify my eventual move. :smile:

pythons007
12-06-2005, 01:36 PM
I really hope they move to Vegas. I need a team there to justify my eventual move. :smile:

I would like to see them move to Vegas too. They need some sort of Major Sporting Event there.

Tekijawa
12-06-2005, 01:40 PM
I would like to see them move to Vegas too. They need some sort of Major Sporting Event there.

Friday Night Boxing?

NonetheLoaiza
12-06-2005, 01:57 PM
I really hope they move to Vegas. I need a team there to justify my eventual move. :smile:

I'd love to see a team in Vegas, but of course the knock is the gambling and all that. If they moved a team out there, though, I can't imagine them having a problem drawing fans and interest.

Lip Man 1
12-06-2005, 02:37 PM
Viva Las Vegas!

In three years time the new home of the Florida Marlins. Although they will still have a stadium issue with Cashman Field.

Lip

kjkobs
12-06-2005, 02:44 PM
I think it wouldn't be easy as many like to believe. First, I think there would be a problem of getting a strong season ticket fan base. I think the only way a team in LV could be successful/profitable would be if a stadium was built with a majority of luxury boxes which would presumably be purchased by the numerous casinos.

Ol' No. 2
12-06-2005, 02:51 PM
I think it wouldn't be easy as many like to believe. First, I think there would be a problem of getting a strong season ticket fan base. I think the only way a team in LV could be successful/profitable would be if a stadium was built with a majority of luxury boxes which would presumably be purchased by the numerous casinos.The only way the casinos would want sky boxes is if they could put slot machines in them.

Dolly
12-06-2005, 02:56 PM
I really hope they move to Vegas. I need a team there to justify my eventual move. :smile:Fish in the desert? :tongue:

IUPeterman
12-06-2005, 03:30 PM
I really really hope for a move to Vegas. Being a native southsider, I will always have the Sox #1. But, I live in Henderson, NV now, and it would be nice to have a "local" option- a #2 if you will. Vegas is really booming. From a visitors standpoint, 29 million people visited Vegas thru September year to date. Yeah that's nice, but the big thing in my opinion is the population growth. We had over 7,000 new movers in the month of October, and over 70,000 year to date. And, I can't begin to tell you how many are from the midwest, Chicago in particular.

From the gambling standpoint, I totally disagree with people who have this as the reason why a team shouldn't come here. Everyone knows you can bet from your own P.C. thru any number of websites for off shore betting, as well as your local bookie. At least here in Vegas, it's regulated. Remember, Vegas was the place that uncovered the point shaving scandal at Arizona State.

Bottom line, I'd love to have a team to go see in Vegas. There's a lot of people like me who miss big league baseball. There's a lot of faccies/misconceptions about this town. I think if ppl were more informed (especially from the betting side), more of their fears would be less.

kraut83
12-06-2005, 03:45 PM
:hijacked: Just wondering...What other business or industry, besides tourism, is in Vegas to support the population growth the place has had? As somebody mentioned, would season tickets be an issue? This is ultimately what the team would have to rely on, as the casual fan visiting town might not want to take time for a game.

gowhitesox
12-06-2005, 04:20 PM
3 baseball teams in a football state?



That's what I say. San Antonio is a football town, not many baseball fans here expect on the south part of town where the Missions play.

If a baseball team would move here I hope it's an American League team so I could see the White Sox beat up on them!! :D:

elrod
12-06-2005, 05:52 PM
Maybe they can move to Chubbuck, Idaho? Or Pocatello or Idaho Falls? They can be the Chubbuck Salmon.

Lip Man 1
12-06-2005, 07:41 PM
Elrod:

Sorry I.F. already has a team. They are a Royals affiliate. :smile:

Lip

Blancos Medias
12-06-2005, 08:54 PM
If they move to Vegas, Pete Rose can be their manager!

TDog
12-07-2005, 03:27 AM
Viva Las Vegas!

In three years time the new home of the Florida Marlins. Although they will still have a stadium issue with Cashman Field.

Lip

If the sports books go offshore.

Coolpapa
12-07-2005, 04:03 AM
Fish in the desert? :tongue:

Sleepin' wit da fishes baby

Coolpapa
12-07-2005, 04:05 AM
Portland Oregon has been mentioned for a few years as a top candidate for a MLB team.

doublem23
12-07-2005, 08:05 AM
There's only one right answer to this question...

Montreal. Make them the Expos.

getonbckthr
12-07-2005, 08:22 AM
Move them to Vegas. Name them the Vegas Aces. For the uniform:

home logo=ace of spades
road logo= ace of hearts
batting practice logo= ace of diamonds
alternate/main logo=ace of spades

MiamiSpartan
12-07-2005, 08:57 AM
San Antonio makes no sense to me. Portland or Vegas makes sense, but the people of Portland have not been rushing to pay for any new ballparks either. Vegas could just tax all of us tourists to get it done...

wdelaney72
12-07-2005, 09:38 AM
Viva Las Vegas!

In three years time the new home of the Florida Marlins. Although they will still have a stadium issue with Cashman Field.

Lip

In this day in age of Pulbicly Financed stadiums, Vegas is the best place for an MLB team. You're correct, though, there really is no facility for a team to use on a temporary basis while a new stadium is built.

Let's not rule out the Meadlowands in Jersey. I like a team in Vegas the best, but Jersey could support another team.

getonbckthr
12-07-2005, 09:47 AM
In this day in age of Pulbicly Financed stadiums, Vegas is the best place for an MLB team. You're correct, though, there really is no facility for a team to use on a temporary basis while a new stadium is built.

Let's not rule out the Meadlowands in Jersey. I like a team in Vegas the best, but Jersey could support another team.
No more teams up there please!! I was wondering couldn't they either play in Miami til a stadium is ready in Vegas or maybe play somewhere like the Astrodome ( I think its still there) temporarily. Possibly even have a tryout in Puerto Rico for an eventual Devil Ray relocation.

TDog
12-07-2005, 11:36 AM
I don't see why so many people here seem so excited about Las Vegas as a potential future home for the Marlins while asserting Miami was a bad choice for a franchise in the first place. The only thing Las Vegas has going for it is a growing population, but population in South Florida has never been the issue. Meanwhile, the demographics in South Florida would seem more receptive to baseball than they would seem in Las Vegas.

Las Vegas has summer weather issues that are different from Miami's summer weather issues, but it has no downtown stadium, no plans for a downtown stadium and certainly no plans (ala Phoenix) for a downtown rectractable-roofed stadium. When I lived near Las Vegas, I never had problem with the dry heat, so maybe the weather wouldn't be an issue.

getonbckthr
12-07-2005, 11:45 AM
I don't see why so many people here seem so excited about Las Vegas as a potential future home for the Marlins while asserting Miami was a bad choice for a franchise in the first place. The only thing Las Vegas has going for it is a growing population, but population in South Florida has never been the issue. Meanwhile, the demographics in South Florida would seem more receptive to baseball than they would seem in Las Vegas.

Las Vegas has summer weather issues that are different from Miami's summer weather issues, but it has no downtown stadium, no plans for a downtown stadium and certainly no plans (ala Phoenix) for a downtown rectractable-roofed stadium. When I lived near Las Vegas, I never had problem with the dry heat, so maybe the weather wouldn't be an issue.
Actually they did (not sure if its still active) have a plan to build a stadium. Supposedly it was to be built 3-4 blocks behind the Bally's Hotel off the strip.

gowhitesox
12-07-2005, 11:58 AM
San Antonio makes no sense to me. Portland or Vegas makes sense, but the people of Portland have not been rushing to pay for any new ballparks either. Vegas could just tax all of us tourists to get it done...

I agree with you. I honestly don't think a team would last here in a football town. Just aren't that many baseball fans here, I only know 2 baseball fans. The latest now is that a local judge who is behind the push to get the Marlins here says that tax payers wouldn't have to pay for it. That I don't believe a bit. If a major league team would come here, I would prefer a American League team so I could see the White Sox beat up on them 6 or more times a year!!

Ol' No. 2
12-07-2005, 12:07 PM
Through the 80's and early 90's, the Expos were, if not among the league leaders, at least thriving. Loria bought the team after the 1999 season, almost got them contracted a few years later, and finally sold the team to MLB a few years after that.

He then bought a Marlins team about to win World Series (no thanks to him), and 2 short years later, the Marlins are coming apart.

Maybe the problem isn't South Florida.

Hitmen77
12-07-2005, 12:45 PM
Why are so many people high on the idea of Vegas getting a major league team? Las Vegas may be the fastest growing city, but it's metro area isn't all that high on the list of largest metro areas. Vegas is also not a very large TV market (ranked 48th in the link below). If Miami won't support a team, who's to say that LV will (aside from the prospect of a new stadium)?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_metropolitan_statistical_are as_by_population
http://www.nielsenmedia.com/DMAs.html

I think the bigger problem is that, under today's MLB economics, there just aren't 26 metro areas that can support a major league team. Unfortunately, it's gotten to the point where a team that doesn't draw 2.5 million isn't competitive. Baseball is different than other sports in the sheer number of games played. A smaller market can support an NFL team because there are only 8 home games a year. NBA and NHL? 40 home games with max seating of around 20,000. But in MLB, they need teams that can draw 30,000 plus 80 times a year.

Frater Perdurabo
12-07-2005, 01:02 PM
That's what I say. San Antonio is a football town, not many baseball fans here expect on the south part of town where the Missions play.

If a baseball team would move here I hope it's an American League team so I could see the White Sox beat up on them!! :D:

Doesn't San Antonio have a population over 1 million? You guys certainly love your Spurs; I have no doubt that y'all would support an MLB franchise, too.

:smile:

Hitmen77
12-07-2005, 01:06 PM
Doesn't San Antonio have a population over 1 million? You guys certainly love your Spurs; I have no doubt that y'all would support an MLB franchise, too.

:smile:

Supporting an NBA or NFL team does not = would support MLB.

NBA attendance: 40 games x 20000 per game = 800,000 per year
NFL: 10 games x 70000 per game = 700,000 per year

Ol' No. 2
12-07-2005, 01:14 PM
Supporting an NBA or NFL team does not = would support MLB.

NBA attendance: 40 games x 20000 per game = 800,000 per year
NFL: 10 games x 70000 per game = 700,000 per yearNFL games routinely sell out, so the metro area is almost irrelevant. Much the same can be said for the NBA. Besides, most of the revenues are TV rights, which, unlike baseball, are shared equally. This is the key difference, and accounts for why cities like Green Bay can support a team. If the Packers had to rely on local TV revenues, they'd be long gone.

wdelaney72
12-07-2005, 01:22 PM
Through the 80's and early 90's, the Expos were, if not among the league leaders, at least thriving. Loria bought the team after the 1999 season, almost got them contracted a few years later, and finally sold the team to MLB a few years after that.

He then bought a Marlins team about to win World Series (no thanks to him), and 2 short years later, the Marlins are coming apart.

Maybe the problem isn't South Florida.

That's a really good point, but keep in mind, the whole "Miami Stadium" issue was around before Loria bought the Marlins. If anything, I'd conclude that Loria is an idiot for thinking he could get a stadium built whent the previous owner couldn't.

Fenway
12-07-2005, 01:23 PM
San Antonio, TX MSA1,592,383

29th in 2000

more important it doesn't show a lot of growth in a 2025 projection

http://www.demographia.com/db-2025metro.htm

MLB doesn't have many options

of course Montreal has a stadium and they love Loria there :cool:

http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/552/4483montr_al_skyline_-_vue_a_vol_d_oiseau_stade_olympique.jpg

Ol' No. 2
12-07-2005, 01:33 PM
That's a really good point, but keep in mind, the whole "Miami Stadium" issue was around before Loria bought the Marlins. If anything, I'd conclude that Loria is an idiot for thinking he could get a stadium built whent the previous owner couldn't.Media types (and Cubs fans) keep dissing USCF, too. Anyone here go to see the stadium? I go to see the team. South Florida has a large population and is easily capable of supporting a team, if they had an owner who cared.

Loria is a snake. It's not for nothing he was being sued by his former partners in Montreal.

gowhitesox
12-07-2005, 04:12 PM
Doesn't San Antonio have a population over 1 million? You guys certainly love your Spurs; I have no doubt that y'all would support an MLB franchise, too.

:smile:

Thanks for the kind words. The local judge who is pushing it also seems to think that a MLB would be supported here. So he know more than I do on this.

nccwsfan
12-07-2005, 05:28 PM
Thanks for the kind words. The local judge who is pushing it also seems to think that a MLB would be supported here. So he know more than I do on this.

If San Antonio comes to MLB with a concrete solid deal for a new ballpark, they'll certainly listen. Until then they're up in the air like everyone else....

Hitmen77
12-07-2005, 05:53 PM
Media types (and Cubs fans) keep dissing USCF, too. Anyone here go to see the stadium? I go to see the team. South Florida has a large population and is easily capable of supporting a team, if they had an owner who cared.

Loria is a snake. It's not for nothing he was being sued by his former partners in Montreal.

If the Marlins won the World Series in '03 and were in wild card contention in '04, then what did Loria do to drive fans away?

I'm sorry, but if a team wins a world series for the 2nd time in 6 years and can only muster 22k per game, how is that the owner's fault?

Ol' No. 2
12-07-2005, 06:06 PM
If the Marlins won the World Series in '03 and were in wild card contention in '04, then what did Loria do to drive fans away?

I'm sorry, but if a team wins a world series for the 2nd time in 6 years and can only muster 22k per game, how is that the owner's fault?That's about what the White Sox drew in 2003. Compare and contrast.

Hitmen77
12-07-2005, 09:35 PM
That's about what the White Sox drew in 2003. Compare and contrast.

Yes, but we hadn't won the WS twice in the last 6 years at that point.

getonbckthr
12-07-2005, 09:52 PM
If the Saints leave Loiusiana I think baseball would look like genious' if they were to move the Marlins to Louisiana. It wouldn't have to be New Orleans. Maybe like Baton Rouge or something. Fan base wouldn't be a problem after the Saints would deserted them. They would be desperate. Yes I know they have the Hornets still but cmon, seriously the Hornets. Just an idea.

Steelrod
12-15-2005, 04:10 PM
I don't see why so many people here seem so excited about Las Vegas as a potential future home for the Marlins while asserting Miami was a bad choice for a franchise in the first place. The only thing Las Vegas has going for it is a growing population, but population in South Florida has never been the issue. Meanwhile, the demographics in South Florida would seem more receptive to baseball than they would seem in Las Vegas.

Las Vegas has summer weather issues that are different from Miami's summer weather issues, but it has no downtown stadium, no plans for a downtown stadium and certainly no plans (ala Phoenix) for a downtown rectractable-roofed stadium. When I lived near Las Vegas, I never had problem with the dry heat, so maybe the weather wouldn't be an issue.
Austin, besides growing population, it is the largest tourist spot on earth. They are always in need of tickets for vips as well as tourists. '''''''''''''there are enough casino hotels to buy suites, which will finance construction seed money. And certainly no shortage of advertisers. If you've been thru their airport, you see how important billboards are in that city.
As far as weather goes , you must love extremes. From dry heat to Alaska?

HomeFish
12-15-2005, 07:26 PM
Baseball needs to get over its irrational fear of gambling.

Put all the creative people in Las Vegas in a room, and I'm sure they get you a killer, entertaining stadium. How about a joint casino/stadium; in the offseason its a sports-themed casino with all sorts of shows out on the field (concerts, recreations of famous baseball events, etc.) and of course lots of gaming, the profits from which would go to payroll. Then, during the season, not only do you have a wonderful, entertaining stadium, but you can have additional features, like booths all over the stadium where you can bet on every single play of the game.

That'd be pretty awesome.

Goose
12-15-2005, 09:09 PM
Baseball needs to get over its irrational fear of gambling.

Put all the creative people in Las Vegas in a room, and I'm sure they get you a killer, entertaining stadium. How about a joint casino/stadium; in the offseason its a sports-themed casino with all sorts of shows out on the field (concerts, recreations of famous baseball events, etc.) and of course lots of gaming, the profits from which would go to payroll. Then, during the season, not only do you have a wonderful, entertaining stadium, but you can have additional features, like booths all over the stadium where you can bet on every single play of the game.

That'd be pretty awesome.

I am sure the the other owners around the MLB would be up-in-arms with the "extra revenue" that the Vegas owners would have at their exposure. Additionally, MLB could not afford another potential black eye of gambling with the Pete Rose/HOF and steroids fiasco still stinging. I cannot see this ever happening. That said, I, too, think that kind of stadium would be pretty cool!

cws05champ
12-15-2005, 11:30 PM
I live down here in South florida, and have supported the Marlins as my #2 team since I came down here(except when the Sox came to town last year). There is not one reason baseball failed down here, there are several reasons:
1) Stadium sucks for baseball - lame excuse but an excuse nontheless
2) Weather issues, hot & Rainy in the summer
3) Transient area- Most people down here(like me- from Chicago) are from somwhere else, so their main passion for a team is not in this town, it's back in NY. Boston, Chicago, Philly etc.
4) People that are from down here are not passionate baseball fans, it's not in their blood like in Chicago. they have only had baseball down here for 12 years
5) There is so many other things to do down here other than go to a game:gulp:

It's pretty sad what has happened to the team down here, 2 WS titles in 6 years and no draw. I don;t blame the owner for wanting to slash payroll when he does not have the stadium revenue or good local TV contract and move. I have season tickets for them again this year but would have cancelled them if I knew what was going to happen this offseason.

Hangar18
12-16-2005, 10:33 AM
FOLD THAT TEAM ALREADY !!! Giving Juan Pierre away for NOTHING is inexcusable. Watch how in the next couple of years, they will be dying for a lead-off hitter, knowing they gave one away. FOLD THE MARLINS ...NOW.
and move the DBacks to the AL West

Tekijawa
12-16-2005, 10:41 AM
Why not just switch the Cubs and the Marlins... Then the north side can get the championship that they "Deserve" and the Florida franchise would have a team that has the best fans in the world and has racked up quite a few "attendance Championships"!

Problem Solved!

Bud! Email me, I got a couple other ideas!:cool: