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FloridaSox
12-01-2005, 03:56 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5128574

hose
12-01-2005, 04:38 PM
The Twins need any type of offense they can scrape up, but I would pass on Castillo.

antitwins13
12-01-2005, 06:37 PM
The Twins need any type of offense they can scrape up, but I would pass on Castillo.

Why? He's a great lead-off hitter/#2 hitter and is fundamentally sound. He will play the kind of baseball that Gardenhire won back-to-back-to-back division titles with.

hose
12-01-2005, 07:13 PM
The Twins did have a hole at 2nd base last year and Castillo would indeed be better than anything they have . The thing is the Twins seem to have a bunch of Castillo's in their line up ,granted not as good of .obp.

I would try and find some power to plug into that pathetic offense first.

Soxzilla
12-01-2005, 07:59 PM
Why? He's a great lead-off hitter/#2 hitter and is fundamentally sound. He will play the kind of baseball that Gardenhire won back-to-back-to-back division titles with.

How many world championships did he win again?

JUribe1989
12-01-2005, 08:33 PM
The Twins also used to win division titles with a solid bullpen. They can't give away Romero and Rincon to get Castillo.

antitwins13
12-02-2005, 12:24 AM
How many world championships did he win again?


Zero, but you have to give him respect for making chicken salad out of chicken excrement with that low payroll. People seem to forget the The Twinkies were close to folding a few years ago.

Hagan
12-02-2005, 12:52 AM
Castillo is a #2 hitter with declining speed. He is an excellent number 2 hitter but not the answer to what the twins need.

EvilJester99
12-02-2005, 10:39 AM
Found this interesting tidbit on Ben Maller...TIFWIW

One local report Thursday indicated the ChiSox might be willing to trade second baseman Tadahito Iguchi to the Marlins (http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/whitesox.asp) in exchange for Marlins counterpart Luis Castillo.

Posted December 2, by Ben Maller

pythons007
12-02-2005, 10:44 AM
Found this interesting tidbit on Ben Maller...TIFWIW

One local report Thursday indicated the ChiSox might be willing to trade second baseman Tadahito Iguchi to the Marlins (http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/whitesox.asp) in exchange for Marlins counterpart Luis Castillo.

Posted December 2, by Ben Maller

Whoah whoah whoah....let's not get crazy here. I'm not at all interested in Castillo for Iguchi.:puking:

gf2020
12-02-2005, 12:39 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2245065

Twins gave up two pitchers. I think this is a real good deal for them and I would be worried if our roster didn't rule earth.

It's Time
12-02-2005, 12:44 PM
How did the Marlins win TWO ****ING CHAMPIONSHIPS in 6 years? What a sorry ass trade this is.

veeter
12-02-2005, 12:47 PM
Found this interesting tidbit on Ben Maller...TIFWIW

One local report Thursday indicated the ChiSox might be willing to trade second baseman Tadahito Iguchi to the Marlins (http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/whitesox.asp) in exchange for Marlins counterpart Luis Castillo.

Posted December 2, by Ben Maller This is proof media guys/fans make crap up in the off season. Maybe the stupidest thing I've read in a couple years.

Fenway
12-02-2005, 12:51 PM
Ft Lauderdale paper adds

The source said four teams, including the Minnesota Twins, are vying for Castillo's services. His departure will save the Marlins no less than $5.5 million and as much as $10.75 million through 2007. A $5.75 million option vests with 501 plate appearances next season. Castillo also is due a deferred $2 million signing bonus, which typically is covered by the original team.

The source said the Twins "have shown as much interest as anybody," but the Cardinals, Red Sox and Mets also are intrigued.

Though the Mets already sent two of their best prospects to the Marlins in the Carlos Delgado deal, they can dangle middle infielder Anderson Hernandez. Rated the organization's No. 8 prospect by Baseball America, the switch-hitting Hernandez is a gifted fielder with good on-base numbers.

Any package from the Red Sox would likely center around infielder Dustin Pedroia, the Red Sox's 2004 second-round pick out of Arizona State.

The Sporting News and Star Tribune in Minneapolis are reporting the Marlins and Twins are in discussions about Castillo. The Twins also have expressed interest in Tony Graffanino, and they have been linked to Rangers second baseman Alfonso Soriano since last season.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/sfl-marlins02dec02,0,5199234.story

Corlose 15
12-02-2005, 12:53 PM
I think this is a good trade for the Twinkies if only for his defense. I belive the infield was a black hole for Minnesota last year.

Now, I don't know anything about the two pitchers they gave up but it seems like a good deal.

salty99
12-02-2005, 01:02 PM
It's official Castillo to the Twins for pitchers Travis Bowyer and Scott Tyler

D. TODD
12-02-2005, 01:08 PM
Good pick up for the Twins, but they will need to do much more then this to compete next year.

lizard6king6
12-02-2005, 01:12 PM
Kinda sucks. I mean its a great trade for the twinkies but sucks for our white sox. Owell, im not worried yet, we'll still beat em...

mdep524
12-02-2005, 01:22 PM
This is a good move for the Twinkies, unfortunately. And Castillo > Pierre. But this does open up 2B for the Marlins.....and Willie Harris is out of options with the Sox (and is SOL if Mueller signs).... Might the teams be talking about Marte and Harris for Pierre....? :cower::duck:


Hey, I'm not saying I'm for it...I'm just sayin'....:dunno:

ma-gaga
12-02-2005, 01:25 PM
It's official Castillo to the Twins for pitchers Travis Bowyer and Scott Tyler

gawd. This is a pretty solid deal. Assuming Castillo can give the Twins 120 games it's a huge upgrade from Punto, and the prospects are of the 'good but not great' variety.

:gulp: :gulp: Now they need a DH, and a Right Fielder. :cool:

KRS1
12-02-2005, 01:29 PM
gawd. This is a pretty solid deal. Assuming Castillo can give the Twins 120 games it's a huge upgrade from Punto, and the prospects are of the 'good but not great' variety.

:gulp: :gulp: Now they need a DH, and a Right Fielder. :cool:

Isnt Cuddyer there new RF, and they are looking for a steady 3b?

nevr say dye sox
12-02-2005, 01:33 PM
It's just been announced the Twins have aquired Luis Castillo from the Marlins! What do you guys think about it!

KRS1
12-02-2005, 01:34 PM
Around the Majors

Palehose13
12-02-2005, 01:35 PM
It's just been announced the Twins have aquired Luis Castillo from the Marlins! What do you guys think about it!

I think it belongs in Talking Baseball. :D:

Chisox003
12-02-2005, 01:38 PM
gawd. This is a pretty solid deal. Assuming Castillo can give the Twins 120 games it's a huge upgrade from Punto, and the prospects are of the 'good but not great' variety.

:gulp: :gulp: Now they need a DH, and a Right Fielder. :cool:
I agree, I've always liked Castillo. Good glove, good arm, great speed, this is a nice pickup for the Twinks.

As for the holes still remaining .... What about SS? Is the plan still Bartlett? What about 3B, or LF?

Edit: And damn, I feel bad for the Marlins fans and players that remain. This organization went right down the pooper. Pierre is next, and at this rate the only reasons the Marlins should even exist at this point is Dontrelle and Miggy Cabrera....Kind of sad 2 of the best young stars in the game are going to be stuck in the gutter for a while. Hey Kenny, I think we have room for a guy like Miguel, no? Get 'er done!

gr8mexico
12-02-2005, 01:40 PM
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The breakup of the Florida Marlins (http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/teams/page/FLA) continues: The club has send Gold Glove second baseman Luis Castillo (http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/players/playerpage/13077) to Minnesota (http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/teams/page/MIN) in exchange for two minor-league pitchers, Travis Bowyer (http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/players/playerpage/532866) and Scott Tyler (http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/players/playerpage/541520), CBS SportsLine.com has confirmed.

The Twins, who failed to win the AL Central for the first time in three years in 2005, are in the midst of rearranging their infield and attempting to boost their offense. Castillo, who will earn $5 million in 2006, gives them a solid leadoff hitter who will complement one of the league's best pitching staffs with his glove.

Castillo follows Josh Beckett, Mike Lowell and Carlos Delgado out the door in South Florida. Also expected to be moved soon, possibly by the end of the winter meetings in Dallas next week, are catcher Paul LoDuca and center fielder Juan Pierre.

Castillo hit .301 with 10 steals, 30 RBI and four home runs for the Marlins last season.

KRS1
12-02-2005, 01:41 PM
I agree, I've always liked Castillo. Good glove, good arm, great speed, this is a nice pickup for the Twinks.

As for the holes still remaining .... What about SS? Is the plan still Bartlett? What about 3B, or LF?

That great speed u speak of has dissapeared greatly in the last 2 years.

Hagan
12-02-2005, 01:51 PM
It seems like the twins didnt give up to much for castillo.

bobowhite
12-02-2005, 02:13 PM
This is a good deal for the Twins. Solid infield defense was a gaping hole for them last year. I just don't think they have enough of anything to catch the Sox though.

maurice
12-02-2005, 02:17 PM
Ouch. The Twins have had a hole at 2B for some time. This is a huge upgrade for them.

infohawk
12-02-2005, 02:38 PM
All in all, its a good move for the Twins. It certainly improves their club. What they really need, though, are run-producers in the middle of their order. They had better hope Mauer and Morneau become reliable in that capacity, or they need to trade/sign for a bat or two. The Twins real problem was that they couldn't drive in runs to save their lives. Their .OBP was a point better than the Sox, but they drove in 69 fewer runs. Castillo brings good .OBP, but they need to be able to drive him in.

Considering their budget situation, this was a pretty solid move. It fits their pitching, speed, put-the-ball-in-play and defense philosophy.

kittle42
12-02-2005, 02:43 PM
It seems like the twins didnt give up to much for castillo.

Or too much, for that matter.

ma-gaga
12-02-2005, 03:23 PM
As for the holes still remaining .... What about SS? Is the plan still Bartlett? What about 3B, or LF?

Bartlett is the plan at SS. I think he's solid. He struggled for a month, got sent down to AAA for two months, came back up and played good solid consistant baseball the second half of the season. He seems to be a good underrated player.

At third, The Twins are messing with Cuddyer again. They are talking about moving him to RF, and starting Tiffee or a FA at third. I have no idea who the starter will be in 4 months, but I really think they are on the verge of making a horrible mistake here. But DH is where they can get the biggest bang for their buck. Lew Ford is a good offensive CF, but not a good DH, or corner outfielder. Same with Cuddyer, offensively he's an average third baseman, but he'll be way below average in RF. :angry:

They do a good job at stockpiling talent, but they've just had a hard time of properly using it. Or overrating defense. Or maybe I'm just falling into the trap of undervaluing defense. ... I don't know.

caulfield12
12-02-2005, 03:24 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5128574

Hmmm....you mean the Bret Boone addition didnt put them over the top?

The Twins already have Punto, Bartlett, Castro, Cuddyer...unfortunately, none of them are offensive forces.

I really like Castro...a lot like Graffanino but one of the best defenders youve ever seen. He was Vin Scullys favorite Dodger of all-time I think.

The Twins need to shore up their starting pitching (Liriano...), get power from Cuddyer, Mauer, Kubel, Morneau....they need a lot of things to go right for them to compete with the Indians and Sox. Torii Hunter, Lew Ford and Shannon Stewart all having career norm years will be another key...Hunter and Stewart are aging, and Ford might have been figured out by the league.

caulfield12
12-02-2005, 03:27 PM
Bartlett is the plan at SS. I think he's solid. He struggled for a month, got sent down to AAA for two months, came back up and played good solid consistant baseball the second half of the season. He seems to be a good underrated player.

At third, The Twins are messing with Cuddyer again. They are talking about moving him to RF, and starting Tiffee or a FA at third. I have no idea who the starter will be in 4 months, but I really think they are on the verge of making a horrible mistake here. But DH is where they can get the biggest bang for their buck. Lew Ford is a good offensive CF, but not a good DH, or corner outfielder. Same with Cuddyer, offensively he's an average third baseman, but he'll be way below average in RF. :angry:

They do a good job at stockpiling talent, but they've just had a hard time of properly using it. Or overrating defense. Or maybe I'm just falling into the trap of undervaluing defense. ... I don't know.

I dont really see the answer as Tiffee.

Moving Cuddyer does not make sense, for reasons you mentioned.

I also think they have Rivas under contract for one year....might be wrong about that.

And what happened to Kubel in RF? If hes not the same impact player he was pre-surgery, they are really screwed.

Ford is serviceable...but not a difference maker capable of bridging the gap back to the Sox and Indians.

Some of that young pitching, Liriano, Durbin, Balfour (post-surgery)...has got to make a significant MLB impact this season.

ma-gaga
12-02-2005, 03:46 PM
The Marlins Board (http://www.marlinbaseball.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=53976) doesn't like the deal. :cool:

The Twins just filled ONE hole. They still need power from 3B/RF/DH. We'll see how much money they are allowed to play with. This puts them up to a $60mm payroll.

JackParkman
12-02-2005, 03:58 PM
Nice trade for the Twinkies, and as a Sox fan I'd much rather they have Castillo than Soriano.

JUribe1989
12-02-2005, 04:10 PM
The Marlins are dumb. I find it hard to believe that they really have this little money.

DSpivack
12-02-2005, 04:26 PM
The Marlins are dumb. I find it hard to believe that they really have this little money.

Their attendance sucks, and they thought they'd have a stadium deal by now. Maybe if you combine them and Tampa you'd get a major league team.

What a weird franchise. 13 Seasons, 4 winning records, 2 World Series winners. Zero Division Champions.

Unregistered
12-02-2005, 05:22 PM
"I can't say I'm happy about it. It's a little difficult because I've spent my whole career with the Marlins," Said Castillo. "I felt like I was at home here."

Good - maybe he'll tank in Minnesota and demand a trade. :wink:

DumpJerry
12-02-2005, 05:38 PM
The Twinks gave up two prospects for what might turn out to be a rent-a-player. This guy is a FA after the '06 campaign. Will he sign on to play indoor baseball for a team with a low payroll? How much can that be?

Since his stolen base totals seem to drop by 50% each season, he'll have 5 in '06. Paulie might beat him out in that category.

RallyBowl
12-02-2005, 06:37 PM
Might the teams be talking about Marte and Harris for Pierre....? :cower::duck:

I think so. I usually don't speculate on trades, but it is hard to think this isn't a strong possibility. I think it would be a solid move for both teams. While I would prefer to see BA or Owens out there, I couldn't complain about this move. Willie has had his chances here, so has Marte. Even if it's not this trade, I'm sorry to say, but I think it's time for these two to move on.

Oh, and this is a pretty good trade for the twinks, but I fear not, because as another poster already said, "Our roster rules the Earth".

elrod
12-03-2005, 02:12 AM
The Twins add a good average no-power hitter and good fielder. That will help them. But I just don't fear them anymore. Their pitching is still great, but their lineup has a ton of holes. Morneau has been a complete bust so far. Mauer is good but he doesn't have enough power. Jones, their top HR man is gone. How will Hunter be after the injury? The Tiffees and Castros and Fords and Cuddyers just don't strike a lot of fear into opposing pitchers on a regular basis. They should consider trading some of their higher tier pitchers for bigger boppers. Teams need pitching, and I bet they could get some other teams to pick up big portions of salary too. Castillo is not the bopper they need.