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RowandKicksAss07
11-24-2005, 09:20 PM
Lately there has been discussion of trading either Contreras or BMac...But at this point right now....who would you be more inclined to trade? Let's assume Jose is no more than 34 years old....They really are the same type of trade value. Contreras still has to prove he can pitch a full year in the big leagues like his 2nd half just like BMac has to prove he can pitch in the big leagues...So if you had one player to trade, which one would it be?

gowhitesox
11-24-2005, 09:26 PM
Lately there has been discussion of trading either Contreras or BMac...But at this point right now....who would you be more inclined to trade? Let's assume Jose is no more than 34 years old....They really are the same type of trade value. Contreras still has to prove he can pitch a full year in the big leagues like his 2nd half just like BMac has to prove he can pitch in the big leagues...So if you had one player to trade, which one would it be?

The way Jose Contreras pitched in the post season convinced me that he can pitch. I'd hang onto Contreras.

getonbckthr
11-24-2005, 09:38 PM
If a team offered us a deal that we wanted to make and they said we need either Jose or BMAC in return I would give them Jose. Bmac is much younger, cheaper and I believe will be much better.

LuvSox
11-24-2005, 09:51 PM
I don't trade either. Pitching and defense win championships, proven fact. Keep the staff together (except the **** Marte).

veeter
11-24-2005, 10:12 PM
We just traded two excellent pitching prospects. If anyone is up for trading another one, you're nuts.

RowandKicksAss07
11-24-2005, 10:25 PM
They are just prospects! Why does everyone get so hung up on PROSPECTS? No one has any idea how good they might be, or if they'll ever sustain an injury that will cause them to end their career. If Kenny waited for all these prospects to actually make a difference, we wouldn't have won a championship for another 15-20 years if ever.

Brian26
11-24-2005, 10:28 PM
There's no reason to trade either of them at this point. There is no hole on this team (as long as we can re-sign PK) that warrants trading either BMac or Jose. BMac will be the 5th starter next year. Contreras is penciled in at #2 or #3. El Duque will pitch long relief.

Banix12
11-25-2005, 01:05 AM
The sox just filled their biggest hole (DH/3rd hitter) without having to trade any major league pitching talent. I really can't see any hole on the team that is big enough, even if Konerko decides to sign elsewhere, that would require the white sox to trade major league pitching talent.

CluelessJoe1919
11-25-2005, 01:09 AM
Lately there has been discussion of trading either Contreras or BMac...But at this point right now....who would you be more inclined to trade? Let's assume Jose is no more than 34 years old....They really are the same type of trade value. Contreras still has to prove he can pitch a full year in the big leagues like his 2nd half just like BMac has to prove he can pitch in the big leagues...So if you had one player to trade, which one would it be?
There is room for both Contreras and McCarthy in the rotation so why would you deal either one?
This great run will last only as long as they keep the starting rotation together.
By the way, if they dealt one of those pitchers, which position would they be trying to shore up?

Man Soo Lee
11-25-2005, 01:18 AM
The Sox have the rights to McCarthy for six more seasons, Garcia and Buehrle for two more years, and Contreras and Garland for one more. Based on this, you could make a case that McCarthy is the most valuable asset in the organization.

I wouldn't trade any of them.

Chips
11-25-2005, 03:57 PM
They are just prospects! Why does everyone get so hung up on PROSPECTS? No one has any idea how good they might be, or if they'll ever sustain an injury that will cause them to end their career. If Kenny waited for all these prospects to actually make a difference, we wouldn't have won a championship for another 15-20 years if ever.

When was the last time we have had really good prospects come up? Our farm system is pretty ****ty, outfield rich, but other than that, there isn't much down there. Our whole championship team had 3 guys come up through our system, Rowand, Crede, and Buehrle. I guess we can count Big Frank too, but everyone came from somewhere else. Who cares about ****ing prospects?

bobowhite
11-25-2005, 04:30 PM
I trade El Duque.

Fredsox
11-25-2005, 05:34 PM
Lately there has been discussion of trading either Contreras or BMac...But at this point right now....who would you be more inclined to trade? Let's assume Jose is no more than 34 years old....They really are the same type of trade value. Contreras still has to prove he can pitch a full year in the big leagues like his 2nd half just like BMac has to prove he can pitch in the big leagues...So if you had one player to trade, which one would it be?

1. Baseball is not a zero sum game. The White Sox are certainly not forced to trade one or the other, in fact I would suppose that they are anxious to keep both of them. Why then would we debate this hypothetical situation?

2. Disagree with your statement that the 2 are basically the same trade value. Sorry, McCarthy has not accomplished anything close to what Contreras has done. He's got a lot of promise and he's earned the #5 slot on the team, but let's not get crazy here. Contreras has won big-time games during the regular AND the post season, and he has done so over time.

3. Can we PLEASE not use the term "BMac"? Is Contreras "JCon"? Is Konerko "PKon"? Would Paul Nesbit be "PNes"?

SoxSpeed22
11-25-2005, 06:29 PM
3. Can we PLEASE not use the term "BMac"? Is Contreras "JCon"? Is Konerko "PKon"? Would Paul Nesbit be "PNes"?First of all, nice use of innuendo.:redneck
Second of all, we only use that for Brandon and no one else.
To answer the original question, none of the above. Pitching is the most important part of winning. The Braves stacked up on pitching and all they did was win over the last 15 years. Offense can only carry you so far, (see 1997-2004) pitching carries you farther. (see 2005)

RallyBowl
11-25-2005, 07:15 PM
Trade them both to the Phillies for Aaron and cash.

MarySwiss
11-25-2005, 07:20 PM
The Sox have the rights to McCarthy for six more seasons, Garcia and Buehrle for two more years, and Contreras and Garland for one more. Based on this, you could make a case that McCarthy is the most valuable asset in the organization.

I wouldn't trade any of them.

What you said. :smile:

antitwins13
11-25-2005, 07:26 PM
I don't trade either. Pitching and defense win championships, proven fact. Keep the staff together (except the **** Marte).

Yeah screw that bum, he's only been the most dominant lefty specialist in the AL central in the past 5 years. Two bad games definitely justifies a trade.

FarWestChicago
11-25-2005, 09:23 PM
Second of all, we only use that for Brandon and no one else.That doesn't make it any less annoying. It would almost be worth seeing him traded to make that go away. :redneck

Brian26
11-25-2005, 09:34 PM
When was the last time we have had really good prospects come up? Our farm system is pretty ****ty, outfield rich, but other than that, there isn't much down there. Our whole championship team had 3 guys come up through our system, Rowand, Crede, and Buehrle. I guess we can count Big Frank too, but everyone came from somewhere else. Who cares about ****ing prospects?

That's sort of a bad way of looking at it though. You have to look at the big picture, because salary demands and tenure have play a large scope in the makeup of the team. Look at the 2005 Sox this way: We let Mags and CLee go before the season (two guys that came up through the system). In return, we were able to sign: AJ, Iguchi, El Duque, Pods, Vizcaino, and Dye.

Tragg
11-25-2005, 10:23 PM
When was the last time we have had really good prospects come up? Our farm system is pretty ****ty, outfield rich, but other than that, there isn't much down there. Our whole championship team had 3 guys come up through our system, Rowand, Crede, and Buehrle.
That's not true. Our farm system also produced Cotts and Garland. We didn't draft them, but they came through our farm system. And we used our farm system to get Uribe, Everett, Konerko, and a lot of Garcia. So our farm system gave us 9 major contibutors.

gowhitesox
11-27-2005, 11:09 AM
We got the pitching staff, so let's keep it in tact. With four starting pitchers that each pitch complete games in the ALCS, I would say if a team wants to trade for one of the starters Kenny should say, NO WAY!!

beckett21
11-27-2005, 11:37 AM
Yeah screw that bum, he's only been the most dominant lefty specialist in the AL central in the past 5 years. Two bad games definitely justifies a trade.

Two bad games?

How many games did you watch last year--two?

Marte was flat-out awful all season. He looked like a shadow of his former self. He pitched with zero confidence and couldn't find home plate half the time.

If I knew he was going to revert back to previous form, great. He showed no signs of that last year. I could take him or leave him at this point in time.