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Tekijawa
11-22-2005, 11:28 AM
Last one wasn't as fun... Probably because many people weren't familiar with the team, he's a team that we all know and has a nice core to build from:

Here you Go FIX THE TWINS

Pitchers
30 Scott Baker (http://minnesota.twins.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=435044)
19 Grant Balfour (http://minnesota.twins.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=346797)
56 Travis Bowyer (http://minnesota.twins.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=434539)
28 Jesse Crain (http://minnesota.twins.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=430884)
54 Matt Guerrier (http://minnesota.twins.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=407825)
47 Francisco Liriano (http://minnesota.twins.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=434538)
49 Kyle Lohse (http://minnesota.twins.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=346798)
36 Joe Nathan (http://minnesota.twins.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=150274)
22 Brad Radke (http://minnesota.twins.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=120878)
39 Juan Rincon (http://minnesota.twins.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=346799)
33 J.C. Romero (http://minnesota.twins.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=240694)
57 Johan Santana (http://minnesota.twins.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=276371)
52 Carlos Silva (http://minnesota.twins.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=400067)
(http://minnesota.twins.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=434558)
Catchers
41 Chris Heintz (http://minnesota.twins.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=425863)
7 Joe Mauer (http://minnesota.twins.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=408045)
55 Mike Redmond (http://minnesota.twins.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=133226)

Infielders
18 Jason Bartlett (http://minnesota.twins.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=430583)
17 Juan Castro (http://minnesota.twins.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=112128)
5 Michael Cuddyer (http://minnesota.twins.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=150212)
27 Justin Morneau (http://minnesota.twins.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=408047)
8 Nick Punto (http://minnesota.twins.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=346857)
38 Luis Rodriguez (http://minnesota.twins.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=425904)
32 Terry Tiffee (http://minnesota.twins.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=430584)

Outfielders
20 Lew Ford (http://minnesota.twins.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=217915)
48 Torii Hunter (http://minnesota.twins.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=116338)
1 Jason Kubel (http://minnesota.twins.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=430585)
23 Shannon Stewart (http://minnesota.twins.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=122784)

Flight #24
11-22-2005, 12:07 PM
SPs: Santana, Radke, Silva, Liriano, Baker
RPs: Crain, Romero, Rincon, Balfour, Nathan, Guerrier/rookie
IF: Morneau, Punto, Bartlett, Cuddyer, Mauer
OF: Stewart, Hunter, ?????/Ford
DH: ??????/Ford

Unless the Twins are looking at bumping payroll, they need to focus on retrenching and redeveloping and possibly contending in '07. IIRC, Stewart & Hunter are on their last years, and latest news was not positive on Kubel recovering fully in time for '06. Need areas are power bat at OF, DH and possibly an MI upgrade, although I think they can get by with the guys they have, who are good fits for their system. Which means IMO you don't do a ton of adding, you focus on figuring out which of your guys are going to be long-term contributors.

IMO, you trade one of Hunter, Stewart to a team looking for an OF and offensive sparkplug. Hunter could be attractive to the Red Sox, Yankees, Angels, or even Cubs.

Hunter to Angels for Kotchman (assume Angels lose out on Konerko).
Sign Bill Mueller on a 2-yr/$6M deal as insurance at 1B/3B/2B for development of Punto/Cuddyer/Morneau (or Bartlett)
Sign Jeromy Burnitz on 1-yr / $4M deal to play in the OF.
Sign a bottom-shelf SP as insurance, a guy like Sele/Armas for 1-yr / $3M
Trade Lohse and any other vets they can for prospects.

Financially, with losing Mays, Hunter, Lohse they should have enough to cover raises and add these FAs. And it should leave them with some options to add a player at midseason, or they can dangle Stewart out there as a cheap leadoff option for a contending team.

Lineup: Stewart(LF)-Mueller(3B)-Mauer(C)-Morneau(1B)-Kotchman(DH)-Burnitz(CF)-Ford(RF)-Cuddyer/Punto(2B)-Bartlett(SS)

Balanced lineup with some Sox-like depth. Top-heavy rotation and solid 'pen. Probably too green in the 4 & 5 SP slots and 8/9 in the lineup to do much, but should position them to make a move in '07.

The Critic
11-22-2005, 12:08 PM
Contraction.

THERE! FIXED!!!

:D:

getonbckthr
11-22-2005, 12:32 PM
Trade Shannon Stewart and Luis Rivas to Cubs for Corey Patterson, Jerry Hairston and Walker.

Trade Santana and Punto to Texas for Soriano and Benoit.
Trade Hunter and Benoit to Mariners for Reed, Pieniero and 2 prospects.
These deals free up some cash that will go to Soriano come extention time, and if they need a big bat come July cause they are in contention they could make a move for a power hitter (Griffey or a Cliff Floyd)

1)Hairston/Patterson-LF (platoon)
2)Walker -2B
3)Mauer-C
4)Soriano-DH
5)Morneau-1B
6)Ford-RF
7)Cuddyer-3B
8)Bartlett-SS
9)Reed-CF

ROTATION
Radke,Liriano,Silva,Lohse, Pineiro

Keep the bullpen as is.

SoxSpeed22
11-22-2005, 12:34 PM
Contraction.

THERE! FIXED!!!

:D:You might have meant this.
Here's how I would do it.
Trade Brad Radke, JC Romero and Jason Bartlett to LAA for Garrett Anderson and Adam Kennedy.
Sign Jarrod Washburn.
Trade prospects to Houston for Mike Gallo.
Trade a bullpen arm, maybe Matt Guerrier, to Boston for Bill Mueller.
Sign Alex Gonzalez (not the ex-flub)
That should have a lineup of such
LF Stewart
2B Kennedy
DH Anderson
C Mauer
CF Hunter
1B Morneau
3B Mueller
SS Gonzalez
RF Kubel (R)

The Pitchers
SPs= Santana, Silva, Washburn, Loshe, Liriano (R)
RPs= Rincon, Crain, Gallo, Baker, Balfour, Bowyer
CL= Nathan

EDIT: realistically, the Radke-Anderson deal would need cash for Anderson's salary. Sign Mueller, not trade for him.

getonbckthr
11-22-2005, 12:42 PM
You might have meant this.
Here's how I would do it.
Trade Brad Radke, JC Romero and Jason Bartlett to LAA for Garrett Anderson and Adam Kennedy.
Sign Jarrod Washburn.
Trade prospects to Houston for Mike Gallo.
Trade a bullpen arm, maybe Matt Guerrier, to Boston for Bill Mueller.
Sign Alex Gonzalez (not the ex-flub)
That should have a lineup of such
LF Stewart
2B Kennedy
DH Anderson
C Mauer
CF Hunter
1B Morneau
3B Mueller
SS Gonzalez
RF Kubel (R)

The Pitchers
SPs= Santana, Silva, Washburn, Loshe, Liriano (R)
RPs= Rincon, Crain, Gallo, Baker, Balfour, Bowyer
CL= Nathan

EDIT: realistically, the Radke-Anderson deal would need cash for Anderson's salary

mueller is a free agent.

caulfield12
11-22-2005, 12:43 PM
SPs: Santana, Radke, Silva, Liriano, Baker
RPs: Crain, Romero, Rincon, Balfour, Nathan, Guerrier/rookie
IF: Morneau, Punto, Bartlett, Cuddyer, Mauer
OF: Stewart, Hunter, ?????/Ford
DH: ??????/Ford

Unless the Twins are looking at bumping payroll, they need to focus on retrenching and redeveloping and possibly contending in '07. IIRC, Stewart & Hunter are on their last years, and latest news was not positive on Kubel recovering fully in time for '06. Need areas are power bat at OF, DH and possibly an MI upgrade, although I think they can get by with the guys they have, who are good fits for their system. Which means IMO you don't do a ton of adding, you focus on figuring out which of your guys are going to be long-term contributors.

IMO, you trade one of Hunter, Stewart to a team looking for an OF and offensive sparkplug. Hunter could be attractive to the Red Sox, Yankees, Angels, or even Cubs.

Hunter to Angels for Kotchman (assume Angels lose out on Konerko).
Sign Bill Mueller on a 2-yr/$6M deal as insurance at 1B/3B/2B for development of Punto/Cuddyer/Morneau (or Bartlett)
Sign Jeromy Burnitz on 1-yr / $4M deal to play in the OF.
Sign a bottom-shelf SP as insurance, a guy like Sele/Armas for 1-yr / $3M
Trade Lohse and any other vets they can for prospects.

Financially, with losing Mays, Hunter, Lohse they should have enough to cover raises and add these FAs. And it should leave them with some options to add a player at midseason, or they can dangle Stewart out there as a cheap leadoff option for a contending team.

Lineup: Stewart(LF)-Mueller(3B)-Mauer(C)-Morneau(1B)-Kotchman(DH)-Burnitz(CF)-Ford(RF)-Cuddyer/Punto(2B)-Bartlett(SS)

Balanced lineup with some Sox-like depth. Top-heavy rotation and solid 'pen. Probably too green in the 4 & 5 SP slots and 8/9 in the lineup to do much, but should position them to make a move in '07.

Can you really imagine replacing Torii Hunter with J. Burnitz in CF? I think the fans might riot, what fans they have.

While he might be able to play CF better than Daubach, Gload or Magglio, it wouldnīt be by much.

The Twins need to shore up their starting pitching (3-5), they need to get more production out of Morneau, Mauer and Cuddyer, and they need to determine what to do about Lew Ford and Shannon Stewart...because neither of those guys are long-term solutions at this point for the Twins.

If Kubel is healthy and productive, that answers one of those question marks.

Flight #24
11-22-2005, 12:51 PM
Can you really imagine replacing Torii Hunter with J. Burnitz in CF? I think the fans might riot, what fans they have.

While he might be able to play CF better than Daubach, Gload or Magglio, it wouldnīt be by much.

The Twins need to shore up their starting pitching (3-5), they need to get more production out of Morneau, Mauer and Cuddyer, and they need to determine what to do about Lew Ford and Shannon Stewart...because neither of those guys are long-term solutions at this point for the Twins.

If Kubel is healthy and productive, that answers one of those question marks.

The point is that they don't have the payroll to go into the market and make enough additions to contend in '06. So you re-trench, focus on development, and sign cheap vets to plug holes temporarily. Most important development area for them is SPs, which they supposedly have a bunch of in the minors and which they simply can not afford in FA.

Tekijawa
11-22-2005, 01:18 PM
The point is that they don't have the payroll to go into the market and make enough additions to contend in '06. So you re-trench, focus on development, and sign cheap vets to plug holes temporarily. Most important development area for them is SPs, which they supposedly have a bunch of in the minors and which they simply can not afford in FA.

I'd have to Agree here, especially with the Indian's play last year, I think yo take going to a younger team and Developing those players to another level too... You've got one of, if not, THE BEST LEFT HANDED PITCHERS in baseball locked in realitively cheap for the next 4 years, I think. If you set up a 2 year plan keep him, but you can't tell me that you couldn't add something along the lines of a McCarthy and another op prospect if you shop him to the White Sox, there's not telling what you could get if you offer him to a team that needs another pitcher, I'm sure more than a Couple would almost clear out their system to get him. Not matter what I say you trade Stewart, Hunter and probably even Radke. If you are on the 2 year plan you get some Major league talent, 4 year you get as many quality prospects as you can get. You Build around Mauer, Morneau. You can't add much payroll but if you unload these big names for prospects you can spend that money down the line when you are in contention again and there are more than 4 guys out there worth giving some big money too.

Optipessimism
11-22-2005, 01:25 PM
Contraction.

THERE! FIXED!!!

:D:

Hubert H. Humphrey Metrodome: Largest laser tag facility in the world.

Tekijawa
11-22-2005, 01:54 PM
Hubert H. Humphrey Metrodome: Largest laser tag facility in the world.

More likely a strip club and bar for the Vikings than a laser tag facility.

caulfield12
11-22-2005, 03:48 PM
I'd have to Agree here, especially with the Indian's play last year, I think yo take going to a younger team and Developing those players to another level too... You've got one of, if not, THE BEST LEFT HANDED PITCHERS in baseball locked in realitively cheap for the next 4 years, I think. If you set up a 2 year plan keep him, but you can't tell me that you couldn't add something along the lines of a McCarthy and another op prospect if you shop him to the White Sox, there's not telling what you could get if you offer him to a team that needs another pitcher, I'm sure more than a Couple would almost clear out their system to get him. Not matter what I say you trade Stewart, Hunter and probably even Radke. If you are on the 2 year plan you get some Major league talent, 4 year you get as many quality prospects as you can get. You Build around Mauer, Morneau. You can't add much payroll but if you unload these big names for prospects you can spend that money down the line when you are in contention again and there are more than 4 guys out there worth giving some big money too.

Santanaīs deal is through 2011, he will make $7 million next year, or probably about the same as Jon Garland.

The Twins are never going to deal Santana to Chicago, you can forget about that. I also think that Santana will push for a trade or contract renegotiation if his career continues to progress like it has.

Radke and Stewart arenīt going to get you that much in return because of their contracts, but a lot of teams would pursue a healthy Torii Hunter.

Trading Santana does not make sense unless a Herschel Walker deal comes along where the Twins get five major-league-ready players.

Ol' No. 2
11-22-2005, 04:52 PM
The Twins are done for at least the next 2-3 years. Time to rebuild. Anyone who won't be around in three years is of no use. That means Hunter, Radke, Stewart and Santana. They're in no hurry, so they can take their time. Imagine what Santana would bring in trade on July 31. With talent like that to trade, they should be able to get more than a few young ML-ready players.

They've got some real keepers to build around (Morneau, Mauer, Ford...). But they need A LOT.

caulfield12
11-22-2005, 08:05 PM
The Twins are done for at least the next 2-3 years. Time to rebuild. Anyone who won't be around in three years is of no use. That means Hunter, Radke, Stewart and Santana. They're in no hurry, so they can take their time. Imagine what Santana would bring in trade on July 31. With talent like that to trade, they should be able to get more than a few young ML-ready players.

They've got some real keepers to build around (Morneau, Mauer, Ford...). But they need A LOT.

Lew Ford turns 30 next year. I would hardly call him a player to build around. He slumped pretty badly last season.

Kubel returning to health is the key to their team, and the success of young starters like Liriano.

bobowhite
11-23-2005, 10:52 AM
The Twins have two glaring weaknesses and some decent parts. How well they put everything together will determine how competetive they are.


The weaknesses:
1) 2B and SS. They got no production out of these positions and were inconsistent defensively. The biggest change the White Sox made between 2004 and 2005 was serious upgrades defensively at both 2B and SS; see what it did for them. Both the middle infield positions handle roughly 500 or more chances a season; SS closer to 600. A spotty infielder there just generates runs for the opposition. It's why I would never want Soriano at 2B on my team. The Twins need to decide on either solid defensive specialists at both positions or slappy little hitters. With their pitching staff good defensive guys would be the better option.

2) A big bat. Morneau is good, Mauer is solid, Hunter is good but none of those bats really terrifys a pitcher. Add a full time DH power hitter and you got something. Hopefully, someone can be found for just a few million. The good news for the Twins and bad news for the Sox is that Frank Thomas would be a perfect fit here. The Twins have no real DH and Frank needs to get to 500 HR career. Sign him for $2 million plus serious incentives.

3) 3B is problematic but not desperate. The HHH-dome surface makes bunting difficult so a star 3B is a waste. Tiffee may have 25 HRs and a .270 avg in him. If not a middling FA pick-up would do.

4) Touch the pitching, except to trade/let go Mays and/or Lohse and you should be thrown to the wolves.

Optipessimism
11-23-2005, 11:17 AM
The Twins are done for at least the next 2-3 years. Time to rebuild. Anyone who won't be around in three years is of no use. That means Hunter, Radke, Stewart and Santana. They're in no hurry, so they can take their time. Imagine what Santana would bring in trade on July 31. With talent like that to trade, they should be able to get more than a few young ML-ready players.

They've got some real keepers to build around (Morneau, Mauer, Ford...). But they need A LOT.

I wouldn't say they are done for that long. I doubt they win the division in at least that amount of time but that is mainly because the Sox and Indians are poised to dominate it for the next couple years. Minny should be competitive if they can get some average hitting out of their infield. If something came along that allowed them to trade Hunter for cheaper offense, they will still give us fits.

IMO, the Twins are getting better before they get worse. They are going to take out Lohse and Mays and put in Liriano and Baker to go along with Santana, Radke, and Silva which should make for the 2nd best rotation in the division IMO. They still have a good bullpen and if they could just find a way to scrap together some runs here and there they will still win a lot of games. I think their record will be down because of us and the Tribe, and I think Detroit is going to get better too, but they will still be a tough team to beat IMO.

Ol' No. 2
11-23-2005, 12:32 PM
I wouldn't say they are done for that long. I doubt they win the division in at least that amount of time but that is mainly because the Sox and Indians are poised to dominate it for the next couple years. Minny should be competitive if they can get some average hitting out of their infield. If something came along that allowed them to trade Hunter for cheaper offense, they will still give us fits.

IMO, the Twins are getting better before they get worse. They are going to take out Lohse and Mays and put in Liriano and Baker to go along with Santana, Radke, and Silva which should make for the 2nd best rotation in the division IMO. They still have a good bullpen and if they could just find a way to scrap together some runs here and there they will still win a lot of games. I think their record will be down because of us and the Tribe, and I think Detroit is going to get better too, but they will still be a tough team to beat IMO.Their problem is that they're not going to get any kind of offense without major additions, and they don't have the budget for that. I expect another anemic offensive year from them. Without the budget for improvements, they're just running in place. In a couple of years Santana's price tag goes to $11M and they're not going to be able to keep him. Hunter and Radke will also soon be priced out of their range. Better to get trade them for prospects. The sooner they start rebuilding, the sooner they'll see the end result.

Flight #24
11-23-2005, 12:42 PM
Their problem is that they're not going to get any kind of offense without major additions, and they don't have the budget for that. I expect another anemic offensive year from them. Without the budget for improvements, they're just running in place. In a couple of years Santana's price tag goes to $11M and they're not going to be able to keep him. Hunter and Radke will also soon be priced out of their range. Better to get trade them for prospects. The sooner they start rebuilding, the sooner they'll see the end result.

IIRC, Radke's retiring after '06. That was part of why he took the 2-yr deal from the Twins rather than a longer one somewhere else. obviously he can change his mind, but that's the current status.

I think they look at their prospects and say that they could contend in '07 if a couple pan out. It's early having just resigned Johan to bail & trade him, so you take a year for development, see if you're close enough to make up the difference in FA, and if not you trade Santana in '07, lock up Mauer/Morneau to long-term deals (assuming you think they're worthy), and do a REAL rebuild.

But using '06 as a development year means dumping Hunter and his 1-yr/$10.75M deal. And I'll bet there's interest in him, assuming he's healthy.

Ol' No. 2
11-23-2005, 12:53 PM
IIRC, Radke's retiring after '06. That was part of why he took the 2-yr deal from the Twins rather than a longer one somewhere else. obviously he can change his mind, but that's the current status.

I think they look at their prospects and say that they could contend in '07 if a couple pan out. It's early having just resigned Johan to bail & trade him, so you take a year for development, see if you're close enough to make up the difference in FA, and if not you trade Santana in '07, lock up Mauer/Morneau to long-term deals (assuming you think they're worthy), and do a REAL rebuild.

But using '06 as a development year means dumping Hunter and his 1-yr/$10.75M deal. And I'll bet there's interest in him, assuming he's healthy.If they're going to trade Santana, it seems to me the ideal time would be at the deadline on July 31. Imagine what he'd bring from teams in the heat of a pennant chase.

Flight #24
11-23-2005, 01:04 PM
If they're going to trade Santana, it seems to me the ideal time would be at the deadline on July 31. Imagine what he'd bring from teams in the heat of a pennant chase.

Right. So I think you take a shot, and if your'e seeing promising things from your youngsters, you think about holding onto him for '07-09.

ma-gaga
11-23-2005, 05:27 PM
I think they look at their prospects and say that they could contend in '07 if a couple pan out.
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But using '06 as a development year means dumping Hunter and his 1-yr/$10.75M deal. And I'll bet there's interest in him, assuming he's healthy.

Yeah. Besides the obvious, throw some money into the lineup, the Twins have to wait and hope that Bartlett, Cuddyer and two of their OF prospects can step it up. They have a shot next year with that pitching staff returning intact, but a lot needs to go right for them.

I think if you can trade Hunter for 2-3 major league ready minor leaguers, you have to do it. They have to hold onto their starting pitching, because they give them a chance in every game.

Unfortunately, Boston traded away the stud SS prospect that I'd have loved the Twins to get their hands on. If Boston is serious about trading Manny, I think the Twins COULD do it financially. Hunter + Romero for Manny. Each team picks up the total contract of their original players. Gives the Redsox a "signed" CF so they can kiss Damon and his $75MM dream bye bye. Gives the Twins a slugger the likes of which they haven't had in 25 years.

IF you can talk Boston into picking up half Mannys salary it works as well. The only problem is that Manny would likely veto the trade, or excercise his right to become a FA after next year.

The nice thing, is that they have Cleveland's V.Martinez deal to use as a standard for signing Mauer to a long term deal, and Blalocks deal to use to sign Morneau to a long term deal. The only thing is, Morneau hasn't hit like Blalock yet. They should be able to sign him for cheaper.

blah blah blah. The two quick moves that would help the most in the next year:
1. Fire Gardy. He's a 'good' manager. But he does everything by the book. He has no creativity, and absolutely abuses rookie players. I understand hazing, but he has to use rookies as part of his job, and the way he's handled the young talent on this team is maddening.
2. Get the stadium bill done. They are damn close. If they can reduce the state's commitment to the team by $100MM, I think they can get it done. Or at least grease all the grandstanding politicians enough to get the deal done.

:cool: