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DumpJerry
11-16-2005, 11:34 PM
Article compares him to Buehrle and Maddux. Not an overpowering pitcher like Jenks, rather one who controls his pitches.

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051116&content_id=1269226&vkey=news_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws
So, the question is, are we having an embarrassment of riches with all this pitching depth at the Big Show and minor league level?:smile:

This certainly makes it easier to sign position players who would rather be supported by Sox pitching than face it....

Erik The Red
11-17-2005, 12:08 AM
Maddox
Is he related to Jose Valentine? :tongue:

MadetoOrta
11-17-2005, 12:30 AM
I love the kids attitude. "My first legitimate shot for the majors is 2007." Lance, buddy, you'll be lucky if you're in Birmingham in 2007. Randar, am I out of bounds? This kids not gonna be in the bigs until 2008 or 2009.

Britt Burns
11-17-2005, 01:00 AM
Actually, I think 2007 is about right for his first shot. The article said he's going to start in B-ham next year, and he'll probably spend most or all of the year there. Assuming he does well, you figure he'll be in line to take a spot if Garland or Contreras leaves in '07, or at least pick up a start or two during the season. That kind of break-in plan is not unlike what BMac did this year. With Broadway, Gio, Liotta, Haigwood, and others, the Sox are looking good on the hill for the future.

A. Cavatica
11-17-2005, 08:47 AM
If ever a name deserved Geoff Blum's haircut, it's Lance Broadway.

1951Campbell
11-17-2005, 10:02 AM
If ever a name deserved Geoff Blum's haircut, it's Lance Broadway.

If there was ever a porn star name, it's Lance Broadway.

Randar68
11-17-2005, 11:39 AM
I love the kids attitude. "My first legitimate shot for the majors is 2007." Lance, buddy, you'll be lucky if you're in Birmingham in 2007. Randar, am I out of bounds? This kids not gonna be in the bigs until 2008 or 2009.

He will likely start in Birmingham in 2006. He's a polished college pitcher. He should be ready for the bigs by the end of 2007 at the latest, IMO, maybe Spring 2008 depending on how the major league pitching looks at that point.

SoxSpeed22
11-17-2005, 12:21 PM
Depending on how big our lead is in the division. I still would not call him up. I would have to see him first and I would like to have him on the roster by 2007.

KRS1
11-17-2005, 05:22 PM
I love the way they describe how the guy controls his pitches, but he can still throw 93 when needed and thats well above a buehrle ball.

California Sox
11-18-2005, 12:48 AM
Randar,

He sounds like McCarthy. You think they are similar?

rdivaldi
11-18-2005, 01:08 AM
Randar,

He sounds like McCarthy. You think they are similar?

Not really. True they throw a similar assortment of pitches, but they're somewhat different in their approaches and physical makeup IMO. I think Brandon is also more aggressive in the strike zone with his fastball and has better command (which is to be expected) with all his pitches, not to mention Brandon already throws harder than Lance.

Lance more or less has filled out physically, so it will come down to control with him. I just don't think you can project him to be much better than a middle of the rotation pitcher, whereas Brandon can be projected to be a top of the rotation guy.

Tragg
11-19-2005, 09:34 AM
I saw him pitch 3 or 4 times in college. He could really hit the corners, almost at will.
I wanted us to draft Bogusevich - but for personal reasons as he was one of the few ChiSox/Green Wave fans I knew in New Orleans. But Broadway had the better year on the mound than did Bogie.
His "stuff" suggests mid rotation; but you never know - if he can hit a corner at 93, he can be a top guy.

MadetoOrta
11-19-2005, 10:53 AM
He will likely start in Birmingham in 2006. He's a polished college pitcher. He should be ready for the bigs by the end of 2007 at the latest, IMO, maybe Spring 2008 depending on how the major league pitching looks at that point.

To make that quick of a jump, doesn't he need to put up McCarthy-like numbers? In addition, does Broadway leapfrog Haigwood, Tracey and Gio Gonzalez? It's not like the Sox minor league system is devoid of pitching talent. Your thoughts, Randar.

caulfield12
11-19-2005, 12:22 PM
Article compares him to Buehrle and Maddux. Not an overpowering pitcher like Jenks, rather one who controls his pitches.

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051116&content_id=1269226&vkey=news_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws
So, the question is, are we having an embarrassment of riches with all this pitching depth at the Big Show and minor league level?:smile:

This certainly makes it easier to sign position players who would rather be supported by Sox pitching than face it....

You can never have enough pitching.

In 2000-2001, we had an embarrassment of riches in terms of young pitching in the minor leagues, and none of it turned out, with the exception of the least heralded, Mark Buehrle.

You cannot control injuries, but I would be happy if just two or three of the following pitchers made a significant impact in the majors with the Sox....

Gio
Haigwood
Liotta
Lumsden
Tracey
Broadway
Haeger
Honel
Corwin Malone

That, of course, is not to mention the contributions of Jenks and McCarthy.

We will have to replace Contreras or Garland after next season, if not both.

The problem is that Tracey is the closest one to the majors...most of those other guys are looked at for 2008 arrivals. Broadway getting the edge because of his college experience.

Worst-case scenario
2007 Buehrle
Garcia
McCarthy
Gonzalez
Broadway, Haigwood or Tracey

2008 McCarthy
Gonzalez
Broadway
???
???

Of course, KW and-or the Sox got Garcia, Garland, Contreras, El Duque by trade...it would be cheaper to replace pitching internally, but there is no doubt we will have to make 2-3 trades as well...the key will be producing 3 starters whose rights we control for 6 years and who give us the flexibility with the payroll to add a couple of other studs to supplement

DaleJRFan
11-20-2005, 04:26 AM
Of course, KW and-or the Sox got Garcia, Garland, Contreras, El Duque by trade...it would be cheaper to replace pitching internally, but there is no doubt we will have to make 2-3 trades as well...the key will be producing 3 starters whose rights we control for 6 years and who give us the flexibility with the payroll to add a couple of other studs to supplement

El Duque came to the Sox via Free Agency and KW still had to get Freddy Garcia to resign. I don't think it is too far beyond the Sox parameters to resign Mark Buehrle and Garland long term (3 year max, right?) and as long as the Sox don't trade to get Josh Fogg and Kip Wells to fill out the rotation, I think we'll be alright.

Randar68
11-20-2005, 12:34 PM
To make that quick of a jump, doesn't he need to put up McCarthy-like numbers? In addition, does Broadway leapfrog Haigwood, Tracey and Gio Gonzalez? It's not like the Sox minor league system is devoid of pitching talent. Your thoughts, Randar.

Who is he leapfrogging? He's an experienced college pitcher taken in the first round... If he doesn't start in AA, you'd be scratching your head.

McCarthy-like numbers? I don't think so. The Sox prefer their pitching prospects to generally develop to AA and go straight to the majors if there is a spot or need for them.

Im not a big Tracey fan, he'll be a reliever IMO. Gio is 2 years removed from HS and has durability concerns.

MadetoOrta
11-21-2005, 12:20 AM
Randar, I get it hot and cold on Broadway. A buddy of mine coaches in the Big 12 and says Broadway is the second coming of Greg Maddux. Another buddy of mine is a scout/cross-checker for the Astros and he couldn't believe the Sox passed up Carillo and Brian Bogusevic, the DeLaSalle HS kid from Tulane. He says Carillo and Bogusevic will be in the show before Broadway. I guess only time will tell.

Randar68
11-21-2005, 09:09 AM
Randar, I get it hot and cold on Broadway. A buddy of mine coaches in the Big 12 and says Broadway is the second coming of Greg Maddux. Another buddy of mine is a scout/cross-checker for the Astros and he couldn't believe the Sox passed up Carillo and Brian Bogusevic, the DeLaSalle HS kid from Tulane. He says Carillo and Bogusevic will be in the show before Broadway. I guess only time will tell.

Both those guys are good pitchers. It's a matter of what you think their ceiling is. They will all likely pitch in the majors in the next 2 years. Carillo is coming fast, but he has health questions similar to Gio. High-effort delivery with a small frame. Bogusevich is a little more of a projection pick than Carillo or Broadway were. It really depends on when and how much certain people saw Broadway pitch.

The Sox saw him a lot down the stretch of the college season, he was the strongest pitcher of the 3 you mention during this period, showing command of 3 pitches with a legit out pitch. He also had a lower mileage arm than those other guys and less of a durability question mark.

MadetoOrta
11-21-2005, 10:32 AM
Speculating here, but I seem to recall a stretch where a number of White Sox high draft pick pitchers had arm problems before reaching the show. Is that part of the reason why a Broadway becomes more attractive than a Carillo?

Randar68
11-21-2005, 10:57 AM
Speculating here, but I seem to recall a stretch where a number of White Sox high draft pick pitchers had arm problems before reaching the show. Is that part of the reason why a Broadway becomes more attractive than a Carillo?

No.

Tragg
11-21-2005, 09:01 PM
I don't know what Broadway did at the JCs prior to joining TCU last year, but last year, he had 19 starts, and threw in excess of 130 pitches in four of them. Bogusevich also had 19 starts, never threw in excess of 130 pitches, but threw in excess of 120 three times.

Broadway was virtually unhittable the three times I saw him pitch.

Bogusevich did not pitch well down the stretch last year - Micah Blunt was our ace by year's end. Brian was also injured most of the year, although that kept him out of the lineup as an outfielder and hitter much of the year, not as a pitcher. Bogusevich was a workhorse for the Wave over the years. Bogusevich was a hell of a college hitter and a good right fielder, although I don't know if he projected any of that on a pro level.

The hurricane put our football team, not that it was much to begin with, in complete coma. I hope our baseball team is okay, although our stadium is destroyed - on the side of the campus that took water and it was partially demolished before the hurricane because it was going to be rebuilt this off-season.

California Sox
11-22-2005, 02:07 AM
I don't believe he was in JC. I think he pitched for Dallas Baptist, which is a well-regarded program in a smaller conference. May not be Div. 1, but it is for-sure a four year school.

Randar68
11-22-2005, 10:01 AM
I don't know what Broadway did at the JCs prior to joining TCU last year, but last year, he had 19 starts, and threw in excess of 130 pitches in four of them. Bogusevich also had 19 starts, never threw in excess of 130 pitches, but threw in excess of 120 three times.

Broadway was virtually unhittable the three times I saw him pitch.


Thanks, I just recalled Bogusevich being a bit abused. Was that in the year prior I am thinking of or am I just confusing him with someone else?

Tragg
11-22-2005, 10:20 AM
Thanks, I just recalled Bogusevich being a bit abused. Was that in the year prior I am thinking of or am I just confusing him with someone else?

Maybe - but Jones doesn't routinely abuse pitchers; but we didn't have the pitching depth that year, so it's possible.
Here's a site that keeps stats on that thing - scroll down to pitcher abuse (although 2004 is off-line for some reason).

http://www.boydsworld.com/data/

Tragg
11-22-2005, 10:22 AM
I don't believe he was in JC. I think he pitched for Dallas Baptist, which is a well-regarded program in a smaller conference. May not be Div. 1, but it is for-sure a four year school.
You may be right - I know he transferred to TCU last year and Dallas Baptist plays division 1 baseball and is well-regarded.