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salty99
11-14-2005, 01:18 PM
AROD wins in a close margain over Big Pappi

Konerko finished 6th and in a surprise to me at least Scott Podsednik finished 12. Jose Contreras got 1 vote

WestSox
11-14-2005, 01:21 PM
Offensively, the two were really close. But A-Rod played a Gold Glove-caliber 3B during the regular season.

Paulwny
11-14-2005, 01:22 PM
Incentive clauses kick in:

From the AP


Rodriguez gets a $1 million bonus for winning the MVP for the second time during his record $252 million, 10-year contract. With Ortiz's second-place finish, the price of Boston's 2007 club option increases by $400,000 to $8.4 million. The buyout goes up by the same amount to $1.4 million.

Guerrero got $200,000 for finishing third and Boston outfielder Manny Ramirez gets $75,000 for placing fourth.

Cleveland DH Travis Hafner was fifth and earned an automatic $200,000 annual raise to $2.7 million next year and $3.95 million in 2007, with the price of Cleveland's 2008 option rising to $4.95 million.

D. TODD
11-14-2005, 01:24 PM
Congrats to A-Rod he deserved it in my opinion.

DaleJRFan
11-14-2005, 01:34 PM
Congrats to Pods, PK, and Jose for showing up on the ballot. These three "true MVPs" DOMINATED when the games counted, unlike ARod, Vlad and "Big Papi".

Dan Mega
11-14-2005, 02:04 PM
Unless someone not on a Yankees or Boston team has an unbelievable year, the MVP will go to the best player on one of those teams.

DaleJRFan
11-14-2005, 02:13 PM
:hijacked:

I just realized after browsing over ARod's career stats, that by comparison (with a few extra homers), he couldn't hold Big Frank's jock strap. ARod is advertised as the best player in baseball (and he probably is) but his numbers pale in comparison to #35.

FT hit 330, 318, 323, 317, 353, 308, 349, 347, 305, 328
RBIs 109, 115, 128, 101, 111, 134, 125, 109, 143
HRs 32, 24, 41, 38, 40, 40, 35, 29, 43, 42

CRAP! He was gooooood.

There just CANNOT be any MVP threads without talking about the Big Hurt... its just not right.

NardiWasHere
11-14-2005, 02:14 PM
Big Papi deserved it in my opinion. He hit about 30,000 walkoffs and without him, Boston is not a playoff team. I don't believe in the "Ortiz didn't play the field argument". DH is still a position.

Either way, they both had monster years. Here's to a Sox player winning it next year- :gulp:

ChiSoxRowand
11-14-2005, 02:22 PM
As much as I hate the guy, AROD deserved the award. PK should have finished higher than sixth though.

EastCoastSoxFan
11-14-2005, 02:22 PM
Congrats to Pods, PK, and Jose for showing up on the ballot. These three "true MVPs" DOMINATED when the games counted, unlike ARod, Vlad and "Big Papi".
A-Rod's next clutch hit will be his first...

FoulkeFan
11-14-2005, 02:24 PM
AROD wins in a close margain over Big Pappi

Konerko finished 6th and in a surprise to me at least Scott Podsednik finished 12. Jose Contreras got 1 vote

Where did you get the full voting results? I only saw PK in the ESPN article.

salty99
11-14-2005, 02:30 PM
mlb.com had the full results here

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051114&content_id=1267994&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb#results

mccombe_35
11-14-2005, 02:30 PM
http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051114&content_id=1267994&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

DAllen15
11-14-2005, 02:31 PM
Big Papi deserved it in my opinion. He hit about 30,000 walkoffs and without him, Boston is not a playoff team. I don't believe in the "Ortiz didn't play the field argument". DH is still a position.

Either way, they both had monster years. Here's to a Sox player winning it next year- :gulp:

I agree with you, Big Papi is a stud. Also, even though the sox got by him in the playoffs, he hit us hard in the regular season. And before anyone can reply with the typical, "yea, but what did he do in the playoffs" response, he did carry that team to a WS last year during the best comeback in sports history in my book.

ARod is great but still the most overpaid player in baseball.

DaleJRFan
11-14-2005, 02:38 PM
Big Papi is a stud.

Frank Thomas was better.

mccombe_35
11-14-2005, 02:39 PM
"Ortiz's supporters pointed to his numbers in "close and late" situations, which are defined by at-bats in the seventh inning or later with the team either ahead by one run, tied or with the potential tying run at least on deck.

In 78 such at-bats, Ortiz hit .346 (27-for-78) with 11 home runs, 33 RBIs and a .447 on-base percentage. But A-Rod posted respectable numbers in those situations, too, hitting .293 (22-for-75) with four home runs, 12 RBIs and a .418 on-base percentage"

D. TODD
11-14-2005, 02:42 PM
:hijacked:

I just realized after browsing over ARod's career stats, that by comparison (with a few extra homers), he couldn't hold Big Frank's jock strap. ARod is advertised as the best player in baseball (and he probably is) but his numbers pale in comparison to #35.

FT hit 330, 318, 323, 317, 353, 308, 349, 347, 305, 328
RBIs 109, 115, 128, 101, 111, 134, 125, 109, 143
HRs 32, 24, 41, 38, 40, 40, 35, 29, 43, 42

CRAP! He was gooooood.

There just CANNOT be any MVP threads without talking about the Big Hurt... its just not right. What are A-Rod's nunbers? Just curious.

FoulkeFan
11-14-2005, 02:44 PM
mlb.com had the full results here

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051114&content_id=1267994&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb#results

Thanks! I'm glad someone voted for Contreras. He really came through for the Sox in the second half when they needed it most.

DaleJRFan
11-14-2005, 02:49 PM
What are A-Rod's nunbers? Just curious.

Arod hit 358, 300, 310, 285, 316, 318, 300, 298, 286, 321
RBI 123, 84, 124, 111, 132, 135, 142, 118, 106, 130
HRs 36, 23, 42, 42, 41, 52, 57, 47, 36, 48

The major, glaring difference is that ARod strikes out, a lot. Frank Thomas walked, a lot. FT's OBP was/is nearly 100 points higher.

ARod did have a monster year this year. I am not meaning to detract from his accomplishments. He did keep the Yankee$ alive when their hearts were set on losing everything in sight early on this season. ARod seemingly will have a more sustained career than FT, barring injury.

D. TODD
11-14-2005, 02:55 PM
:hijacked:

I just realized after browsing over ARod's career stats, that by comparison (with a few extra homers), he couldn't hold Big Frank's jock strap. ARod is advertised as the best player in baseball (and he probably is) but his numbers pale in comparison to #35.

FT hit 330, 318, 323, 317, 353, 308, 349, 347, 305, 328
RBIs 109, 115, 128, 101, 111, 134, 125, 109, 143
HRs 32, 24, 41, 38, 40, 40, 35, 29, 43, 42

CRAP! He was gooooood.

There just CANNOT be any MVP threads without talking about the Big Hurt... its just not right. Wow I just looked up their numbers. They are very similar.
A-Rod 1592 AB. .307 avg. 429 hr. 1265 r.b.i. 226 sb. 1245 runs
Big Hurt1959 Ab. .307 avg. 448 hr. 1465 r.b.i. 32 sb. 1327 runs.


So in 367 more at bats Frank has 19 more hr. 200 more rbi, 82 more runs, 194 fewer stolen bases, and they have identical batting averages. Sounds like they both are very similar in production with the bat.

bobowhite
11-14-2005, 03:04 PM
Another case of the White Sox getting hurt by when this voting occurred. Voting in mid-September the Indians probably got more votes than they deserved, the White Sox fewer. Nobody on the Sox was going to catch ARod or Big Papi and either one of them deserved the MVP.

DaleJRFan
11-14-2005, 03:07 PM
Wow I just looked up their numbers. They are very similar.
A-Rod 1592 AB. .307 avg. 429 hr. 1265 r.b.i. 226 sb. 1245 runs
Big Hurt1959 Ab. .307 avg. 448 hr. 1465 r.b.i. 32 sb. 1327 runs.


So in 367 more at bats Frank has 19 more hr. 200 more rbi, 82 more runs, 194 fewer stolen bases, and they have identical batting averages. Sounds like they both are very similar in production with the bat.

Indeed. Very similar. The only decided difference is plate patience. Frank's OBP is considerably higher and his K totals are WAY lower. ARod shines in the field whereas Big Hurt was a marginal first baseman and primarily a DH.

What kind of $$ would FT command if he was in his prime today? The thought makes me dizzy. Stick a 27 year old FT in this Sox lineup?? Holy Fishsticks Batman!!! :redneck

daveeym
11-14-2005, 03:14 PM
Wow I just looked up their numbers. They are very similar.
A-Rod 1592 AB. .307 avg. 429 hr. 1265 r.b.i. 226 sb. 1245 runs
Big Hurt1959 Ab. .307 avg. 448 hr. 1465 r.b.i. 32 sb. 1327 runs.


So in 367 more at bats Frank has 19 more hr. 200 more rbi, 82 more runs, 194 fewer stolen bases, and they have identical batting averages. Sounds like they both are very similar in production with the bat. I thought something about that seemed way off. In 367 more GAMES not at bats. So Thomas has played in 2+ more seasons than AROD.

soxfanreggie
11-14-2005, 03:28 PM
Frank would definitely be an $18-20 mil player. A-Rod being a Gold Glove 3B/SS makes him more valuable, but I still think he's overpaid. With A-Rod kind of money you can get an $8 mil starter, a $10 mil position player, and still have $4.5 mil to sign another player.

fquaye149
11-14-2005, 03:40 PM
:hijacked:

I just realized after browsing over ARod's career stats, that by comparison (with a few extra homers), he couldn't hold Big Frank's jock strap. ARod is advertised as the best player in baseball (and he probably is) but his numbers pale in comparison to #35.

FT hit 330, 318, 323, 317, 353, 308, 349, 347, 305, 328
RBIs 109, 115, 128, 101, 111, 134, 125, 109, 143
HRs 32, 24, 41, 38, 40, 40, 35, 29, 43, 42

CRAP! He was gooooood.

There just CANNOT be any MVP threads without talking about the Big Hurt... its just not right.

wait what? You would have voted Frank for MVP this year? I don't understand your point.

Very few people claim A-Rod is the best HITTER in baseball. I think you are missing the point. A-Rod is a gold glove SHORTSTOP and a perennial .300+/40/100+ man. That would put him up with the Dutchman for best shortstops ever, one of the hardest positions in baseball to play.

Frank in his prime was the best right-handed hitter in baseball. No one is trying to argue A-Rod is a better hitter than Frank in his prime. No one is trying to argue he is a better hitter than Piazza in his prime, Albert Belle in his prime, Pujols, Bonds, hell, you'd be hard pressed to find someone claiming he's a better hitter than Manny. But he is among the best players in baseball, if not THE best because he is so damn stellar on offense and on defense.

Don't get me wrong - I love talking about how great Frank was. He was damned good...so damned good. I just don't understand what the point of this was?

gbergman
11-14-2005, 05:51 PM
Paulie finished 6th, Scott 11th and Jose finished 27th in the mvp voting so atleast we had a couple players recognized

Chisox003
11-14-2005, 05:56 PM
It's about time we got some R.E.S.P.E.C.T.

antitwins13
11-14-2005, 06:53 PM
I'm glad they got this award right. A-Rod equals all round MVP. Ortiz equals swing for the fences cuz that's all I can really do.

NonetheLoaiza
11-14-2005, 07:25 PM
11th? Wow. I'm pretty shocked by that one.

buehrle4cy05
11-14-2005, 10:14 PM
Seems like a lot of A-Rod's homers came in unimportant situations. Big stats, but how many of them were meaningful?

That being said, A-Rod played a good third base and Ortiz is a DH. But Ortiz could come up with hits in bigger situations.

I would have gone for Ortiz, as much as I dislike both of them.

Chips
11-14-2005, 10:35 PM
11th? Wow. I'm pretty shocked by that one.

:hawk:

are you kidding me? 11th?

Chips
11-14-2005, 10:41 PM
I'm glad they got this award right. A-Rod equals all round MVP. Ortiz equals swing for the fences cuz that's all I can really do.

He also hit 40 doubles and about 90 singles and he had a triple, not all by swinging for the fences.

CubsfansareDRUNK
11-14-2005, 10:44 PM
the last post, both in clubhouse and talking baseball were both buy chips. there's like 5 threads on this already

LuvSox
11-14-2005, 10:48 PM
the last post, both in clubhouse and talking baseball were both buy chips. there's like 5 threads on this already

Chips has a stalker :D:

DaleJRFan
11-14-2005, 11:15 PM
wait what? You would have voted Frank for MVP this year? I don't understand your point.

:?: um, no.

Frank in his prime was the best right-handed hitter in baseball. No one is trying to argue A-Rod is a better hitter than Frank in his prime.

That wasn't my point.

Don't get me wrong - I love talking about how great Frank was. He was damned good...so damned good. I just don't understand what the point of this was?

Wait, you say you love talking about how great Frank Thomas was, yet you missed my point?? Obviously you didn't get it. I was doing just that, talking about how great Frank Thomas was. Get it now?

fquaye149
11-15-2005, 07:08 AM
:?: um, no.



That wasn't my point.



Wait, you say you love talking about how great Frank Thomas was, yet you missed my point?? Obviously you didn't get it. I was doing just that, talking about how great Frank Thomas was. Get it now?

Well I thought that was your point but was a little skeptical that someone would come into a thread and completely unprompted and for no reason start talking about something completely irrelevant to the thread.

My bad....:rolleyes:

asindc
11-15-2005, 04:47 PM
IMO, A-Rod was the right choice. legit Gold Glove defense plus elite offensive numbers does it for me. I think too many stat hounds undervalue defense in evaluating a player's worth. Good to see that A-Rod was rewarded for it in this case.

Paulwny
11-15-2005, 06:53 PM
Big Papi deserved it in my opinion. He hit about 30,000 walkoffs and without him, Boston is not a playoff team. I don't believe in the "Ortiz didn't play the field argument". DH is still a position.

Either way, they both had monster years. Here's to a Sox player winning it next year- :gulp:

Agree, MVP- Big Papi,
If they gave an award for player of the year, then ARod wins.

DaleJRFan
11-15-2005, 07:18 PM
Well I thought that was your point but was a little skeptical that someone would come into a thread and completely unprompted and for no reason start talking about something completely irrelevant to the thread.

My bad....:rolleyes:


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