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Tekijawa
11-14-2005, 12:56 PM
Second Installment Ladies and gentlemen. Have at it... there is a Nice Core here to work with... and Some nice trade bate to work with. Not sure on how much they have to spend, so don't go wild.... but what would you do to Fix the Mariners?

PitchersB/THtWtDOB 27 Scott Atchison (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=425786) R/R6-219503/29/76 48 Travis Blackley (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=429715) L/L6-320011/04/82 45 Ryan Franklin (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=211041) R/R6-319003/05/73 18 Eddie Guardado (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=115216) R/L6-020510/02/70 58 Jeff Harris (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=441266) R/R6-119007/04/74 59 Felix Hernandez (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=433587) R/R6-317004/08/86 40 Julio Mateo (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=421024) R/R6-022008/02/77 55 Gil Meche (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=219194) R/R6-321509/08/78 38 Joel Pineiro (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=334492) R/R6-120009/25/78 20 J.J. Putz (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=407816) R/R6-524502/22/77 52 George Sherrill (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=430941) L/L6-022004/19/77 39 Rafael Soriano (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=400089) R/R6-122012/19/79 53 Matt Thornton (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=407819) L/L6-623009/15/76 CatchersB/THtWtDOB 30 Rene Rivera (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=425784) R/R5-1019007/31/83 8 Yorvit Torrealba (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=150275) R/R5-1120007/19/78 InfieldersB/THtWtDOB 5 Adrian Beltre (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=134181) R/R5-1122004/07/79 46 Yuniesky Betancourt (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=435358) R/R5-1019001/31/82 16 Willie Bloomquist (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=217100) R/R5-1118511/27/77 22 Greg Dobbs (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=425785) L/R6-120507/02/78 4 Jose Lopez (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=430946) R/R6-220011/24/83 12 Mike Morse (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=434604) R/R6-422003/22/82 1 Ramon Santiago (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=421124) S/R5-1117508/31/79 44 Richie Sexson (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=122027) R/R6-823512/29/74 OutfieldersB/THtWtDOB 54 Shin-Soo Choo (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=425783) L/L5-1118007/13/82 28 Raul Ibanez (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=116380) L/R6-222006/02/72 7 Jeremy Reed (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=430598) L/L6-019506/15/81 32 Chris Snelling (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=421684) L/L5-1020512/03/81 36 Jamal Strong (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=425473) R/R5-1018508/05/78 51 Ichiro Suzuki (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=400085)

Tekijawa
11-14-2005, 12:58 PM
Second Installment Ladies and gentlemen. Have at it... there is a Nice Core here to work with... and Some nice trade bate to work with. Not sure on how much they have to spend, so don't go wild.... but what would you do to Fix the Mariners?

Pitchers
27 Scott Atchison (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=425786)
48 Travis Blackley (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=429715)
45 Ryan Franklin (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=211041)
18 Eddie Guardado (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=115216)
58 Jeff Harris (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=441266)
59 Felix Hernandez (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=433587)
40 Julio Mateo (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=421024)
55 Gil Meche (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=219194)
38 Joel Pineiro (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=334492)
20 J.J. Putz (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=407816)
52 George Sherrill (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=430941)
39 Rafael Soriano (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=400089)
53 Matt Thornton (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=407819)

Catchers
30 Rene Rivera (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=425784)
8 Yorvit Torrealba (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=150275)

Infielders
5 Adrian Beltre (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=134181)
46 Yuniesky Betancourt (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=435358)
16 Willie Bloomquist (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=217100)
22 Greg Dobbs (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=425785)
4 Jose Lopez (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=430946)
12 Mike Morse (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=434604)
1 Ramon Santiago (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=421124)
44 Richie Sexson (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=122027)

Outfielders
54 Shin-Soo Choo (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=425783)
28 Raul Ibanez (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=116380)
7 Jeremy Reed (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=430598)
32 Chris Snelling (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=421684)
36 Jamal Strong (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=425473)
51 Ichiro Suzuki (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=400085)

voodoochile
11-14-2005, 01:00 PM
Acquire ARod, RJ and Freddy Garcia...:o:

Tekijawa
11-14-2005, 01:07 PM
This will be a hard one as I'm not as familiar with the team, they have aBunch of Large contracts with good but unproven or often injured players. I think that they should somehow get rid of Sexson and Beltre, that money would be better spent on spreading the money out over more tallent. I think that King Felix and Ichiro are really the only things you can try and build around, but Ichiro migh thave to go if you can get some nice young players for him and Build to compete in the future, especially since it looks like the Angels have some pretty deep pockets, You need to build young with Fast spray hitters like Juan Pierre to utilize that enourmus park of theirs, not to mention that a top of the order that consisted of Pierre and Ichiro would drive the pitchers in their Pitching based division NUTS! You could try and work a 3 way trade with someone to give up maybe Sexson or Beltre and Cash for Prospects to send to the Marlins to aquire Pierre.

Flight #24
11-14-2005, 01:21 PM
Second Installment Ladies and gentlemen. Have at it... there is a Nice Core here to work with... and Some nice trade bate to work with. Not sure on how much they have to spend, so don't go wild.... but what would you do to Fix the Mariners?

Pitchers
27 Scott Atchison (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=425786) 48 Travis Blackley (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=429715) 45 Ryan Franklin (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=211041) 18 Eddie Guardado (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=115216) 58 Jeff Harris (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=441266)

40 Julio Mateo (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=421024) 55 Gil Meche (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=219194) 38 Joel Pineiro (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=334492) 20 J.J. Putz (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=407816) 52 George Sherrill (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=430941) 39 Rafael Soriano (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=400089) 53 Matt Thornton (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=407819)

59 Felix Hernandez (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=433587)

You want fixing: Fix this glaring mess o'crap first. Outside of the 19/20yr old Hernandez, there isn't one name on this list that impresses me. Guardado, maybe, but he's like 900 years old and pitching with a bum shoulder. Pinieiro, another maybe, but he's been "on the verge" for a while now, which usually means he's "off the verge" and just plain bottom-end filler. The rest - Ugh!

Catchers
30 Rene Rivera (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=425784)
8 Yorvit Torrealba (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=150275)

Infielders
5 Adrian Beltre (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=134181) 46 Yuniesky Betancourt (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=435358) 16 Willie Bloomquist (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=217100) 22 Greg Dobbs (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=425785) 4 Jose Lopez (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=430946) 12 Mike Morse (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=434604) 1 Ramon Santiago (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=421124) 44 Richie Sexson (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=122027)

C is blah, but IIRC, Yorvit has a good defensive & receiving rep. So that's OK. IF is set at the corners with the solid or better, if possibly overpaid Beltre and Sexson. Could use an upgrade up the middle, but they're high on Betancourt & Bloomquist was serviceable.

Outfielders
54 Shin-Soo Choo (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=425783) 28 Raul Ibanez (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=116380) 7 Jeremy Reed (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=430598) 32 Chris Snelling (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=421684) 36 Jamal Strong (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=425473) 51 Ichiro Suzuki (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=400085)
very strong defensively, but offensively it's pretty much "popgun". Reed's overrated, and even if he ends up being a .330/.385 hitter, that's like having 2 Ichiro's, which can be good, but in this case is unbalanced.

Bottom line: Pitching is pretty bad. Were Beltre worth his contract, they'd have decent offensive balance with Ichiro/Reed up front, Sexson/Beltre in the middle, and a decent #5-6 hitter in Ibanez. With Beltre regressing, they need power elsewhere. The assumption is that Beltre's effectively untradeable - obviously swapping him for a similar salaried better hitter would be option numero uno. From a salary perspective, they also have $8M freed up from Moyer. But Richie Sexson's salary jumps from $4.5 to $11.5.:o:

#1 priority: Starting pitching. They need an ace (even though they have Hernandez. They also need a #3-4 guy. Sign Burnett & a Byrd type of guy. Total cost: $15-17M

#2 priority: a power bat. Unfortunately, none really available. Which brings you to trade options. IMO a deal that might work for them would be to deal off Ichiro to a big salary team in exchange for either a similar contract power guy or younger/cheaper power guys. That's if they believe in Reed and can afford the PR hit overseas. Texas might take him for Mench. Boston might take him as a Damon replacement since he's effectively a 2-yr/$22M guy that can play RF for them & lead off. Maybe Boston sends back their 2B prospect Pedroia and /or a pitcher. Savings: Roughly $9-10M

Then turn around and trade for a Delgado/Soriano/Thome type of guy using prospects and taking on salary. Heck - bring Griffey back to DH! Assume you bring on a $14M salary or less and you add a net of about $4M or break even.

#3 priority: upgrade the middle IF. Probably not with a Furcal-type, but more a mid-range type of guy. Graffanino, Grudz, or maybe, if you have the $$$, even Nomar to split time between SS & DH.

They desperately need the type of players that come with high salaries. So unless they have a payroll bump or can deal Ichiro/Sexson/Beltre, it's going to be hard to take more than a small step forward.

Ol' No. 2
11-14-2005, 01:50 PM
You want fixing: Fix this glaring mess o'crap first. Outside of the 19/20yr old Hernandez, there isn't one name on this list that impresses me. Guardado, maybe, but he's like 900 years old and pitching with a bum shoulder. Pinieiro, another maybe, but he's been "on the verge" for a while now, which usually means he's "off the verge" and just plain bottom-end filler. The rest - Ugh!Took the words right out of my mouth. Until they do something about their pitching, nothing else they do will amount to a hill of beans. Hernandez and Moyer were the only starters with ERA's under 5, and that's pitching half their games in Safeco! They've got a nucleus of a bullpen in Guardado, Putz and Villone, but that's about it. They need to get younger in a hurry. The good news is that there must be at least a half-dozen FA pitchers who won't break the bank but would be an improvement on what they've got. But it's unlikely they can afford to make all the improvements they need by FA. They're going to have to trade some of their position players to open up salary room and to get the guys they need. Therein lies problem #2: Sexson, Suzuki and Ibanez are the only ones who anyone might be remotely interested in.

JUribe1989
11-14-2005, 05:21 PM
You have to trade Michael Morse because of the steroid troubles and start Yunkiesky Betancourt. He's a stud defender who can be a Uribe-type player. Greg Dobbs is a great back up guy to have off the bench. Trade Beltre or Sexson (pick one) and GET SOME PITCHING!

SoxSpeed22
11-14-2005, 06:09 PM
This is hard. But I agree, get some starting pitching. To do this in one year would nearly pick the farm system clean. They're also hancuffed by the contracts of Sexon and Beltre and are too old. Not as old as 2004, but they're still old.

Jjav829
11-14-2005, 09:48 PM
Word is that Bill Bavasi has approximately $20-25 million to spend this offseason. They have some good players in place, but need some major tweaking done. So as I become Bill Bavasi (and really who doesn't wish they were Bill Bavasi) here is my offseason plan:

1.) Sign Jarrod Washburn to a 3-year $27 million deal.
2.) Sign Esteban Loaiza to a 2-year $9 million deal.
3.) Trade prospects for Orlando Hudson (or insert good defensive 2B of your choice - Jerry Hairston Jr., Brandon Phillips, maybe even someone who can add a bit more with the bat like Todd Walker if the other guys cost too much).
4.) Sign Scott Eyre to a 2-year, $5 million deal.
5.) Sign two relievers from the group of Kerry Ligtenberg, Antonio Alfonseca, Antonio Osuna, Tim Worrell, Willis Roberts, etc.
6.) Trade Gil Meche, Mike Morse and upper-level prospects to the Devil Rays for Aubrey Huff.
7.) Re-sign Jamie Moyer to a 1-year deal.

New lineup:
RF Ichiro
CF Jeremy Reed/possible acquired 2B such as Todd Walker
LF Raul Ibanez
1B Richie Sexson
DH Aubrey Huff
3B Adrian Beltre
CF Reed/acquired 2B
C Yorvit Torrealba/Kenji Jojima
SS Rafael Betancourt

Starting rotation:
Jamie Moyer (opening day nod simply out of respect)
Felix Hernandez
Jarrod Washburn
Esteban Loaiza
Joel Pineiro

Bullpen:
Closer: Eddie Guardado
Right-handed relievers:
J.J. Putz
Rafael Soriano(healthy?)
Julio Mateo
Antonio Alfonseca, Antonio Osuna, etc.
Left-handed relievers:
Scott Eyre
Matt Thorton, perhaps an additional lefty signed such as Chris Hammond or Ricardo Rincon

Hitting:
I wouldn't focus much of that money on hitting. Safeco is a good pitchers park; play to its strength. Beltre was awful last year and his swing looked terrible the entire year. He was too pull happy. I wouldn't count on him too much but just hope that he bounces back. Huff would be a nice addition to the middle of their order and would provide a nice L-R-L-R situationr. I would look for a good defensive 2B, someone like Orlando Hudson who is rumored to be available. If that fails then go after a Todd Walker who can provide a little extra offense. Either way, that position is probably going to have to be upgraded through the trade market.

Pitching:
The defense was emphasized for a reason. I think this team has to win on pitching and defense. It just suits their park too well and they already have some elements in place to win that way. They need a couple starting pitchers IMO. I stayed away from Burnett, even though they might not, because he would eat up too much of that available cash. Burnett alone will not change their team. They need at least 2 good pitchers, possibly 3. Washburn and Loaiza fit the bill, though someone like Millwood or Morris could easily be substituted here. Bullpen wise they are fine at the end with Guardado and Putz, but they need help getting to those two. Adding at least one left-handed reliever is a must, so they might as well shoot for the best available free agent. Even if they sign Eyre it would help to go after another lefty like Hammond or Jason Christianson. From the right side Putz is set and if Soriano is healthy he should help significantly. Relievers can be a crapshoot. I would take a chance on a few guys like Osuna, Roberts, Worrell; guys who come cheap and could potentially put together a solid season.

Defense:
This team already has some very good defensive players in place. Beltre, Ichiro and Reed are all top defensive players at their positions. Leave Betancourt at short and find a Hudson type 2B and the defense will be very strong.

There you go. The 2006 World Champion Mariners. The truth is I don't think they can be turned into a contender just through the offseason. Bavasi has his work cut out for him and will need to make some impact signings to turn things around. However, unless players like Pineiro and Beltre perform to their potential, the Mariners will fight to stay out of last. If Beltre hits like he is paid, Pineiro finally establishes himself as a quality starter, and a few youngsters like Reed and Betancourt begin to flourish, then those free agent signings can boost the Mariners to contender status.

Tragg
11-14-2005, 10:46 PM
To fix their team, I suggest that they trade Richie Sexon and Felix Hernandez to the Sox for Ross Gload, Timo Perez, Ben Davis, Willie Harris, Damasao Marte and Orlando Hernandez. They get two pitchers for one, a left handed bat, the 2nd baseman they need, a promising back-up catcher, and improved infield defense at 2nd and 1st.

caulfield12
11-15-2005, 10:03 AM
To fix their team, I suggest that they trade Richie Sexon and Felix Hernandez to the Sox for Ross Gload, Timo Perez, Ben Davis, Willie Harris, Damasao Marte and Orlando Hernandez. They get two pitchers for one, a left handed bat, the 2nd baseman they need, a promising back-up catcher, and improved infield defense at 2nd and 1st.

Please tell me you´re not serious with that trade.
Seattle´s GM would be fired on the spot.

Seconding some of the thoughts here, you have to sit on Sexson and Beltre and hope they heat up to the point you could trade one of them, but not both.

Betancourt should be fine...they do need a 2 hitter at 2B in the Orlando Hudson or Grudzielanek mold that can do the ¨little¨ things.

The main reason this team collapsed was Boone, Martinez, Olerud, Wilson, etc., all getting old at the same time, along with the trade of Garcia and the failure of trade acquisitions like Miguel Olivo to produce.

Jeremy Reed gives Buvasi the same dilemma KW had...even is he is a .300 hitter, will his high OBP be enough to make up for his lack of range, arm and power at the plate. If the WS had Pierre and Pods playing together, they would at least have the stolen bases, which are equivalent to doubles and triples.

With Reed, he does a lot of things well or above average, but not anything great. KW thought he would be passed eventually by Anderson, Young and Sweeney, and he wasn´t going to start over Rowand either.

Morse is a dilemma...he could be a ¨plus¨ player offensively at SS, but unless his a 3B (no go with Beltre) or SS, he´s below average. Doesn´t have enough power to play LF, and it´s a new position for him.

Bottom line, you have to trade Ichiro for maximum value and get pitching, pitching and 2B in return. You also need to look at trading Ibanez to the highest possible bidder...the White Sox would be a good fit for him as part of a platoon DH situation and 4th OF.

With pitching, it all depends on Soriano being healthy again....their 4th and 5th starters have been very shaky ever since the Garcia deal, as everyone had to move up one spot in the rotation.

With the retirement of Moyer, they need to pick the right 2 starter on the market (spending no more than $10 million) and then a back of the line starter to take the place of Franklin. And Pineiro needs to be the Jon Garland of 2006 and live up to his potential on a consistent basis throughout the year. Gil Meche is another key...lots of talent, but more question marks and injuries than performance recently. Trading him now makes less sense than waiting for him to return to full health.

gobears1987
11-15-2005, 10:12 AM
They don't need fixing they have All Stars Jeremy Reed and Michael Morse. Isn't that right Jeremyb1?:redneck

RKMeibalane
11-15-2005, 07:05 PM
They don't need fixing they have All Stars Jeremy Reed and Michael Morse. Isn't that right Jeremyb1?:redneck

You took the words right out of my mouth. I was just about to post something like this when I saw what you had written. :cool:

Domeshot17
11-15-2005, 08:24 PM
I go into the offseason with 3 big questions: How good is Mike Morse clean, and not on steroids. Is Jeremy Reed Ready to be the guy, and Why have the pitchers never flourished.

I go with my gut on the first one, and The LF spot is Morse's to lose. Reed was a serious gold glove Candidate, and as the Mariners GM I feel slighted he or the chicago CF who's name no one outside Chicago knows did not win over the injured Torri Hunter.

Looking at this team, I think it's good, but young. I project to have a lot of kids in the lineup, Morse,Reed,Bentancourt and not to forget Hernandez in the rotation.

The First Notion I get is to trade Ichiro, but I can't take the PR hit. The Yankees would be interested, he could play center and lead off, but they have nothing to offer. So this I know thus far

Ichiro Leads off, Beltre and Sexson bat 3 and 4. Ibanez is the oddman out. We love his bat, but he is the most valueable player we have that we are willing to move. The Cubs need OF Horribly, as of now, they are not set at any of the 3. He can play the corners well, so I ship him and Franklin and Hasegewa to Chicago Cubs for Rich Hill, Todd Walker and I roll the dice on a team that needs to roll the dice, and also get back Castoff Cf Corey Patterson.

I Like Corey because I know something the cubs don't. Corey is not a lead off hitter. He is a 6 hitter with speed. If you let him use his tools the way he knows, you are going to get 260 25 home runs and 25 stolen bases. If it works out im a Genious, and if not, it is not important, because he wasnt the focus of the deal. The steal is Rich Hill, a young Lefty that can strike out a lot of hitters, and after a year under the tutledge of Jamie Moyer, this kid will know how to pitch.

so now I know I have my 1 2 3 4 6 7 8 9 hitters. Next on my mind is finding a catcher, who I don't need to hit as much as I do to catch, and call the games. Now there are 2 guys on the market who have gotten the most out of their pitchers for a career. Bengie Molina, who I am drooling over, and Sandy Alomar JR. Bengie is my man, and I find a way to get him here.

Now I have tune up the pitching. My problem here, with Moyer Piniero Meche Hill and Felix, I got an aging vet, 2 young kids, and 2 unprovens. I really like my bullpen, Putz showed a lot, Nelson is always tough, Soriano is coming back and my closer is one of the upper tier. I feel like im starter from contending. I really like Washburn, but not a chance I go into the season with 3 lefties. Another Option is Jesse Froppet, and if the team isnt there by the end of june, I deal Piniero to make room for this kid.

I've got money to spend, cleared some salary off in Ibanez Frank and Hasagawa. I push it, and I outbid everyone for AJ Burnett. I keep Meche incase Hill falters, or an injury happens. I know if when the deadline nears, and my team is fading, I can move Beltre for a piece of tommrow and clear the money. The last move I make is a minor one, and I bring in Reggie Sanders as insurance for Morse and Patterson. So here is how my team looks going into 2006.

1 Ichiro RF
2 Walker 2b
3 Beltre 3b
4 Sexson 1b
5 Molina C
6 Patterson DH/Sanders DH
7 Reed C
8 Morse LF/Sanders LF
9 Bentacourt SS

Bench:Sanders/Patterson/Morse, Torrelabo, Bloomquist,Snelling,Dobbs
Rotation: Moyer, Burnett, Hernandez, Hill, Piniero
Bullpen LR: Meche MR: Putz, Soriano, Mateo, Nelson, Closer: Guardado

caulfield12
11-16-2005, 08:22 AM
I go into the offseason with 3 big questions: How good is Mike Morse clean, and not on steroids. Is Jeremy Reed Ready to be the guy, and Why have the pitchers never flourished.

I go with my gut on the first one, and The LF spot is Morse's to lose. Reed was a serious gold glove Candidate, and as the Mariners GM I feel slighted he or the chicago CF who's name no one outside Chicago knows did not win over the injured Torri Hunter.

Looking at this team, I think it's good, but young. I project to have a lot of kids in the lineup, Morse,Reed,Bentancourt and not to forget Hernandez in the rotation.

The First Notion I get is to trade Ichiro, but I can't take the PR hit. The Yankees would be interested, he could play center and lead off, but they have nothing to offer. So this I know thus far

Ichiro Leads off, Beltre and Sexson bat 3 and 4. Ibanez is the oddman out. We love his bat, but he is the most valueable player we have that we are willing to move. The Cubs need OF Horribly, as of now, they are not set at any of the 3. He can play the corners well, so I ship him and Franklin and Hasegewa to Chicago Cubs for Rich Hill, Todd Walker and I roll the dice on a team that needs to roll the dice, and also get back Castoff Cf Corey Patterson.

I Like Corey because I know something the cubs don't. Corey is not a lead off hitter. He is a 6 hitter with speed. If you let him use his tools the way he knows, you are going to get 260 25 home runs and 25 stolen bases. If it works out im a Genious, and if not, it is not important, because he wasnt the focus of the deal. The steal is Rich Hill, a young Lefty that can strike out a lot of hitters, and after a year under the tutledge of Jamie Moyer, this kid will know how to pitch.

so now I know I have my 1 2 3 4 6 7 8 9 hitters. Next on my mind is finding a catcher, who I don't need to hit as much as I do to catch, and call the games. Now there are 2 guys on the market who have gotten the most out of their pitchers for a career. Bengie Molina, who I am drooling over, and Sandy Alomar JR. Bengie is my man, and I find a way to get him here.

Now I have tune up the pitching. My problem here, with Moyer Piniero Meche Hill and Felix, I got an aging vet, 2 young kids, and 2 unprovens. I really like my bullpen, Putz showed a lot, Nelson is always tough, Soriano is coming back and my closer is one of the upper tier. I feel like im starter from contending. I really like Washburn, but not a chance I go into the season with 3 lefties. Another Option is Jesse Froppet, and if the team isnt there by the end of june, I deal Piniero to make room for this kid.

I've got money to spend, cleared some salary off in Ibanez Frank and Hasagawa. I push it, and I outbid everyone for AJ Burnett. I keep Meche incase Hill falters, or an injury happens. I know if when the deadline nears, and my team is fading, I can move Beltre for a piece of tommrow and clear the money. The last move I make is a minor one, and I bring in Reggie Sanders as insurance for Morse and Patterson. So here is how my team looks going into 2006.

1 Ichiro RF
2 Walker 2b
3 Beltre 3b
4 Sexson 1b
5 Molina C
6 Patterson DH/Sanders DH
7 Reed C
8 Morse LF/Sanders LF
9 Bentacourt SS

Bench:Sanders/Patterson/Morse, Torrelabo, Bloomquist,Snelling,Dobbs
Rotation: Moyer, Burnett, Hernandez, Hill, Piniero
Bullpen LR: Meche MR: Putz, Soriano, Mateo, Nelson, Closer: Guardado

I cannot remember the last time Seattle had an All-Star LF. But Morse is not going to hit for enough power at this level IMO to hold a corner OF spot.

Reed is an above-average but not great CF. If he was, the White Sox would never have traded him. He will never hit more than 15 homers, or steal more than 20 bases. He is a poor man´s version of Mark Kotsay.

Hasegawa was not tendered, thus, cannot be traded, since he is no longer on the team. Not sure why any team would want Franklin.

I like the Molina addition...as far as Hill goes, why would Chicago keep giving up promising young pitching, such as Lohse, Sisco, Willis and Garland, when their own rotation is not totally settled? Plus, Hill is a lefty, so he is potentially even more valuable.

No problem with taking a chance on Patterson, but are you really going to sit him on the bench? I think that would be a mistake for Corey, at this stage in his career.

Any Sanders move would be a starter...at this point in his career, his numbers still justify starter money and a promise of playing time, not to back up Michael Morse of all people.

And Jesse Foppert, he´s been a prospect for 10 years, you might as well get Jason Grilli too.

getonbckthr
11-16-2005, 11:24 PM
1) Sign Johnny Damon
2)Sign AJ Burnett
3) Sign Jojima
4)Trade Ichiro,Beltre, FRanklin and Piniero to Boston for Manny, Youklis and David Wells (big ball park would do well)
5) Sign Shawn Estes (like Wells big park should do well.)

LINEUP
Damon-CF
Reed-LF
Manny-DH
Sexson-1B
Ibanez-RF
Jojima-C
Youkilis-3B
Betancourt-SS
Lopez-2B
BENCH
Torrealba,Morse, Bloomquist, and Strong (once healthy)
ROTATION
Burnett, Hernandez, Meche, Wells, Estes
BULLPEN
Guardado, Putz, Thornton, Mateo, Sherril, Atchinson, Harris.

Domeshot17
11-16-2005, 11:26 PM
My fault on a few things. Did not know hasagewa was non tendered. Froppet was coming off Tommy John, and I remember reading when he was dealt for Randy Winn that this was an absolute steal for seattle, because Froppets velo was getting back to the mid 90s.

I guess it was hard to explain what I was thinking with Morse/Corey/Sanders. I was kind of saying, You think One of Morse of Corey isnt going to work. You more hope Corey Works, because if he does, its a lot more production. So Sanders is brought in in hopes of replacing Morse, but he could be replacing Corey.

Frater Perdurabo
11-17-2005, 10:19 AM
I don't have time to get into the depth that the rest of you have in this thread, except to say that most of the ideas here are good ones.

First emphasis is pitching. Burnett is a good FA signing, since Safeco plays like Dolphins Stadium (at sea level, big field, etc.), plus it's a much cooler climate than South Florida. I also want Washburn and Loaiza. Flyball pitchers can succeed at Safeco. Burnett, Moyer, Hernandez, Washburn and Loaiza comprise the rotation, unless I can deal Ibanez and/or Sexson for even better starters. Pineiro and Franklin can strengthen the bullpen. In the pen, the strongest survive, the weak go to AAA. Guardado remains an excellent closer.

Second, I want OFs who could play CF for any other team, who can get to balls hit anywhere in the gaps to help out my pitchers. Ichiro is fine in right. Pierre would be great for CF. Reed might be better at DH (and fourth OF) to get a LF with more range and more speed. I too am intrigued by the gamble on Patterson. He could play left.

Third, my hitters are bunting, stealing, hitting and running and sacrificing themselves to manufacture runs. I wouldn't care if I had less power than the 85 Cardinals. This team might hit fewer than 80 homers, but then again it might steal 250 bases, which is like adding an equal number of doubles or triples.

Finally, since I'm the GM of the Mariners (and putting aside my White Sox loyalties), I make the World Chamption White Sox an offer they can't refuse for Tadahito Iguchi and deploy him in an RBI role. They can have their choice of Sexson or Ibanez plus Betancourt, plus cash, plus their choice of any minor league prospect in the Mariners system. Iguchi is smart enough to know when and when not to swing for the fences, has superb bat control and has proven his willingness to sacrifice himself to move over a baserunner. Plus, having a the first Japanese position player to have a ring on the roster will both further motivate Ichiro and bring in many more Japanese fans. Surely Tadahito is available for the right price, since the Sox just signed Furcal and still want to play Uribe every day, right? Right?
:redneck

Lineup: Pierre (CF), Ichiro (RF), Iguchi (2B), Beltre (3B), Sexson/Ibanez (1B), Patterson (LF), Reed (DH), Morse (SS), Torrealba (C)

Iguchi will collect a ton of RBIs with Pierre and Ichiro in front of him. Patterson has less pressure batting sixth but when he does get on base, he can deploy his speed with the patient Reed at the plate. Morse will get a lot of RBI chances as well.

(Disclaimer: As a Sox fan, I would oppose KW trading away Iguchi unless the Mariners tremendously overpaid for him.)

Mr. White Sox
11-17-2005, 01:11 PM
They basically need two/three pitchers (one top guy) and a C. They are in love with Yuniesky Betancourt, and they like Bloomquist so maybe they won't sign an infielder. I personally think Willie Bloomquist isn't all that great, but that's just me. I'll get to specifics when I have time...but I'd think they'd pursue Matt Morris and a top of the rotation guy.

Prelim thoughts:
Bengie Molina, Matt Morris/Esteban Loaiza, and trade for Javier Vasquez.

Rotation: Felix Hernandez/Javier Vasquez/Matt Morris/Ryan Franklin/Joel Piniero

Jjav829
11-17-2005, 01:16 PM
Second, I want OFs who could play CF for any other team, who can get to balls hit anywhere in the gaps to help out my pitchers. Ichiro is fine in right. Pierre would be great for CF. Reed might be better at DH (and fourth OF) to get a LF with more range and more speed. I too am intrigued by the gamble on Patterson. He could play left.

Lineup: Pierre (CF), Ichiro (RF), Iguchi (2B), Beltre (3B), Sexson/Ibanez (1B), Patterson (LF), Reed (DH), Morse (SS), Torrealba (C)


Reed is one of the top centerfielders in the game. But you not only want to replace him in center with an inferior defender (Pierre) but you want to make him a DH and stick another inferior defender in left? :?:

Frater Perdurabo
11-17-2005, 02:37 PM
Reed is one of the top centerfielders in the game. But you not only want to replace him in center with an inferior defender (Pierre) but you want to make him a DH and stick another inferior defender in left? :?:

OK. Fair enough. I only know Pierre by reputation and third party reports, not personal observation. Same thing with Reed and Patterson, for that matter. But what I've read from other scouts on here is that Reed may be good, but certainly nothing suggesting he's "one of the top centerfielders in the game." Is he really on par with, say, Mike Cameron or Torii Hunter? In fact, IIRC I've read on here in "Minor Observations" and other threads that when comparing defensive abilities among present and recent Sox OF prospects, Anderson was better than Reed.

Since I'm too damned lazy right now to search past threads, I'll just quote ESPN's player profiles:

Though not yet in the category of Andruw Jones or Jim Edmonds as a defensive center fielder, Patterson isn't far behind. He has great speed, something he has needed with Moises Alou and Sammy Sosa flanking him. Patterson's throwing arm is a good one. He led the Cubs with a career-best 32 stolen bases, and he's getting better every day at reading pitchers' moves.

(Pierre's) defense remains a huge plus at spacious Pro Player Stadium. His range allowed the Marlins to get by with Miguel Cabrera and Jeff Conine flanking him for the first four months. Pierre's arm probably precludes him from Gold Glove consideration, but he never gives up on balls in the gap and makes his share of highlight catches. His resemblance to a young Mickey Rivers remains eerie.

Reed is a good outfielder with a solid arm, and he may have enough speed to play center. That still isn't certain, as Safeco Field has a big outfield, but Reed has tremendous instincts, which may make up for his lack of pure speed. He still needs to fine-tune his jumps and angles on balls hit his way.

These descriptions echoed, IIRC, what I've read here from our resident scouts in previous threads. This explains my "recommendations" if I was the Mariners GM. If you don't like it, fine. That's why they pay GMs the big bucks and that's why you and I only get to do pro-bono armchair GM duty.

:cool:

Jjav829
11-17-2005, 02:45 PM
OK. Fair enough. I only know Pierre by reputation and third party reports, not personal observation. Same thing with Reed and Patterson, for that matter. But what I've read from other scouts on here is that Reed may be good, but certainly nothing suggesting he's "one of the top centerfielders in the game." Is he really on par with, say, Mike Cameron or Torii Hunter? In fact, IIRC I've read on here in "Minor Observations" and other threads that when comparing defensive abilities among present and recent Sox OF prospects, Anderson was better than Reed.

Since I'm too damned lazy right now to search past threads, I'll just quote ESPN's player profiles:

These descriptions echoed, IIRC, what I've read here from our resident scouts in previous threads. This explains my "recommendations" if I was the Mariners GM. If you don't like it, fine. That's why they pay GMs the big bucks and that's why you and I only get to do pro-bono armchair GM duty.

:cool:

I don't know if he's on par with Hunter and Cameron, but he's definitely near the top. He's a really good defensive player. Offensively, he's lacking right now. But his defense has been great.

Frater Perdurabo
11-17-2005, 03:25 PM
I don't know if he's on par with Hunter and Cameron, but he's definitely near the top. He's a really good defensive player. Offensively, he's lacking right now. But his defense has been great.

Fair enough. So if it suits you, just amend my proposal by keeping Reed in center and have Pierre DH, with Patterson in left. How does that work for a team that's looking to emphasize speed over power because it plays games in spacious Safeco Field?

Nyls Nyman
11-22-2005, 11:48 PM
1. Realize that 2006 is rebuilding. Save money, spend it on the 06-07 offseason.

2. Build the idea that the Mariners will be a team of fly-ball pitchers and gap hitters, suited to their ballpark.

3. Unfortunately, Ichiro is too much of the team's value. You have to trade him, preferably for a #2 and a #3 starter who are flyball pitchers, and a B+ prospect. It'll take a 3-way trade to get the two starters, with the better team giving the lesser team prospects. Both starters are July 25 trade bait.

4. Consistent with the flyball theme, focus on outfield defense and infield offense. That means upgrading 2B and LF, and refilling RF. I think Ibanez for Patterson + prospects (Van Buren?) helps both teams. Either Patterson or Reed go to RF, probably Reed.

5. LF should be the easiest position to obtain via free agency. I'd go for Carl Everett, since he can actually play RF as well. All parties know it's a 2/3 year rental and a trade to a contending team on July 25. I know Carl isn't a defensive wonder, but hey, you need a #5 hitter! Get him a caddy for late inning defensive replacements, and to take over after July 25.

6. If Everyday Eddie isn't a free agent, shop him off to a NL team for a offensive-minded 2B. Ray Ray Durham comes to mind, if he's healthy.

7. Let the bullpen implode. Seriously. You're only going to win 60 games, so why do you need a closer. Trade anybody with a pulse for a prospect, and test of the theory of truly fungible talent.

8. Hold open tryouts for all the QuadA 1Bs of the world to come to Arizona and hack it out for their big career break, a chance to be the Mariners DH. Personally, I'd give big Calvin Pickering the first shot.

Lineup: Durham 2B, Reed RF, Beltre 3B, Sexson 1B, Everett LF, Patterson CF, Pickering DH, Torrablea C, Bentencourt SS

Starters: Moyer, #2 from trade, #3 from trade, Meche, Pineiro
Relievers: It doesn't matter.... but don't spend more than $6M on the lot of them.