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Tekijawa
11-08-2005, 05:18 PM
Alright Mr. Hendry, you have a reported $30 Million more to spend this year, what would you do? Who would you go after? Please Limit the teal! But since we spend each day analyzing what our team should do, let's see if any of us could fix this mess? BLOWING UP THE TEAM AND STADIUM IS NOT AN OPTION!

Feel free to make realistic trades, and Signings, drop players as needed... It'll be interesting to see the line ups!

Pitchers
46 Ryan Dempster (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=133225)
53 Rich Hill (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=448179)
49 John Koronka (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=425655)
31 Greg Maddux (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=118120)
52 Sergio Mitre (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=429901)
44 Roberto Novoa (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=430604)
45 Will Ohman (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=349193)
22 Mark Prior (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=407578)
33 Glendon Rusch (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=121556)
37 Jermaine Van Buren (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=435278)
40 Todd Wellemeyer (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=425487)
32 Jerome Williams (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=425532)
48 Scott Williamson (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=150182)
34 Kerry Wood (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=134268)
43 Michael Wuertz (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=430900)
38 Carlos Zambrano (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=407296)
Catchers
8 Michael Barrett (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=136664)
24 Henry Blanco (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=111072)
58 Geovany Soto (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=434567)
Infielders
11 Ronny Cedeno (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=430592)
16 Aramis Ramirez
15 Jerry Hairston (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=150020)
25 Derrek Lee (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=117601)
1 Jose Macias (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=150197)
13 Neifi Perez (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=120413)
55 Ryan Theriot (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=444135)
7 Todd Walker (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=123842)
Outfielders
4 Ben Grieve (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=115132)
19 Matt Murton (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=444875)
20 Corey Patterson (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=279913)

buehrle4cy05
11-08-2005, 05:23 PM
1. Trade Kerry Wood and Corey Patterson for Juan Pierre and Guillermo Mota.
(saves you around $5 million)
2. Give Billy Wagner a 3-year, $36 million contract.
3. Give Brian Giles a 5-year, $50 million contract.
4. Trade Greg Maddux and prospects for a shortstop.
5. TRADE MARK PRIOR (no teal needed)

Tekijawa
11-08-2005, 05:23 PM
1. Most importantly you need a Lead off man, you already have a serviceable SS, so yo go after Damon instead of Furcal since you are hurting for a CF anyway.

2. Almost as imporant as number 1, you need a Closer, wagner fits the bill and he's always injurred... he'll fit right in!

3. Giles, you need another Power OF to replace Burnitz... you have the money to upgrade too.

4. Blumm gives you a solid Back up Infielder and has a little name recogintion from the other side of town... Market that and MILK IT!


Pitchers
46 Ryan Dempster (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=133225)
49 John Koronka (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=425655)
31 Greg Maddux (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=118120)
52 Sergio Mitre (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=429901)
44 Roberto Novoa (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=430604)
45 Will Ohman (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=349193)
22 Mark Prior (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=407578)
33 Glendon Rusch (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=121556)
XX Billy Wagner 9 Million
40 Todd Wellemeyer (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=425487)
32 Jerome Williams (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=425532)
48 Scott Williamson (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=150182)
34 Kerry Wood (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=134268)
43 Michael Wuertz (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=430900)
38 Carlos Zambrano (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=407296)
Catchers
8 Michael Barrett (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=136664)
24 Henry Blanco (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=111072)
Infielders
11 Ronny Cedeno (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=430592)
16 Aramis Ramirez
15 Jerry Hairston (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=150020)
25 Derrek Lee (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=117601)
1 Jose Macias (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=150197)
13 Neifi Perez (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=120413)
7 Todd Walker (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=123842)
XX Geoff Blum 1 Million
Outfielders
4 Ben Grieve (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=115132)
19 Matt Murton (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=444875)
20 Corey Patterson (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=279913)
XX Johnny Damon about 10 Million
XX Brian Giles 10 Million

Chisox003
11-08-2005, 05:26 PM
Alright Mr. Hendry, you have a reported $30 Million more to spend this year, what would you do? Who would you go after? Please Limit the teal! But since we spend each day analyzing what our team should do, let's see if any of us could fix this mess?

Feel free to make realistic trades, and Signings, drop players as needed... It'll be interesting to see the line ups!

Pitchers
46 Ryan Dempster (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=133225)
53 Rich Hill (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=448179)
49 John Koronka (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=425655)
31 Greg Maddux (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=118120)
52 Sergio Mitre (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=429901)
44 Roberto Novoa (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=430604)
45 Will Ohman (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=349193)
22 Mark Prior (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=407578)
33 Glendon Rusch (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=121556)
37 Jermaine Van Buren (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=435278)
40 Todd Wellemeyer (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=425487)
32 Jerome Williams (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=425532)
48 Scott Williamson (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=150182)
34 Kerry Wood (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=134268)
43 Michael Wuertz (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=430900)
38 Carlos Zambrano (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=407296)
Catchers
8 Michael Barrett (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=136664)
24 Henry Blanco (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=111072)
58 Geovany Soto (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=434567)
Infielders
11 Ronny Cedeno (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=430592)
16 Aramis Ramirez
15 Jerry Hairston (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=150020)
25 Derrek Lee (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=117601)
1 Jose Macias (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=150197)
13 Neifi Perez (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=120413)
55 Ryan Theriot (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=444135)
7 Todd Walker (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=123842)
Outfielders
4 Ben Grieve (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=115132)
19 Matt Murton (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=444875)
20 Corey Patterson (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=279913)
Is use of a time machine acceptable?

I really don't know the direction they're taking, but it started at some point last offseason and there really is no way out of this mess....Do they even know the direction of their team? (Other than down, of course :cool: )

*Fat lady clears throat*

Norberto7
11-08-2005, 05:26 PM
1. Trade Kerry Wood and Corey Patterson for Juan Pierre and Guillermo Mota.
(saves you around $5 million)

Flordia is looking to take on salary? Of injury prone and/or ineffective players?

JoeyCora28
11-08-2005, 05:32 PM
1. Trade Kerry Wood and Corey Patterson for Juan Pierre and Guillermo Mota.
(saves you around $5 million)
2. Give Billy Wagner a 3-year, $36 million contract.
3. Give Brian Giles a 5-year, $50 million contract.
4. Trade Greg Maddux and prospects for a shortstop.
5. TRADE MARK PRIOR (no teal needed)


[Using my best newscaster voice]

And in other news today, a tearful mob of Cubs fans dressed in their "Woods" and "Pryor" jerseys wandered aimlessly outside of Wrigley Field. Many of the crowd wailed, "Where's our Messiah now??".

Ol' No. 2
11-08-2005, 05:32 PM
The Cubs are a mess, and it's at least a two year project.

Start by getting rid of Dusty Baker. That way at least they can find out who can play and who can't.

Kerry Wood has to go, but I don't know what they're going to get for him with that albatross of a contract. Prior and Zambrano are the only keepers on the staff. Build around them. Maddux still has enough to fill out the rotation next year, but they need at least two more solid starters. The bullpen needs the most work. Let they young guys pitch and see what they've got.

They have two position players that are keepers: Lee and Ramirez. The rest are backups at best. Trade anyone else who will bring anything in return. Play the young guys and see what they've got.

The Cubs' biggest problem is that they've build their roster based on how it will play among the fans and not how good of a team they'll have. Hendry doesn't seem to know what he's doing, and I don't see them ever building a WS winner while he's running the show.

Tekijawa
11-08-2005, 05:35 PM
Start by getting rid of Dusty Baker. That way at least they can find out who can play and who can't.

I'd like to add this to my list... He's not a good manager, and especially with a young team, which it looks like the Cubs might have to go to...

Ol' No. 2
11-08-2005, 05:38 PM
I'd like to add this to my list... He's not a good manager, and especially with a young team, which it looks like the Cubs might have to go to...The Cubs have 4 players good enough to build a team around: Prior, Zambrano, Lee and Ramirez. Some of the young guys might be able to play, but they'll never find out with Baker and Hendry running the show. The rest are bench players. It will take at least two years to fix this mess, even with a decent GM and manager.

gf2020
11-08-2005, 05:41 PM
Alright Mr. Hendry, you have a reported $30 Million more to spend this year, what would you do? Who would you go after? Please Limit the teal! But since we spend each day analyzing what our team should do, let's see if any of us could fix this mess?

Feel free to make realistic trades, and Signings, drop players as needed... It'll be interesting to see the line ups!

You are likely to get a lot of this thread sucks and/or blows, but I think it's an interesting discussion to pass the time.

First of all, I doubt the Cubs spend 30 million. It's just not in their nature. The payroll was that high last year because they had to keep Sosa on the books.

Giles is going to St. Louis probably, so the Cubs can forget about him. If the market wasn't going to be crazy, I'd say go after a fifth starter like Millwood. The top tier bullpen guys like BJ Ryan Wagner are probably out of the picture for the same reason. Even though they could use an experienced lefthander, Eyre could turn into another Remlinger and would be too expensive as well.So their options right off the bat are limited.

In centerfield, I'd dump Patterson before spring training, even if they won't get a lot for him. Classic case of addition by subtraction. I'd sign Kenny Lofton to buy time for Pie who is coming off of injury and is probably overhyped at this point. Kenny can at least bunt and get on base unlike most of team. If I were Hendry, I would prefer Mike Cameron, but the Mets will probably overvalue him and you don't know what he'll be like when he gets back on the field.

Stick Murton in left and pray that his defense has improved. In right, options are scarce in the market, so you'd have to trade for someone. I doubt Murton hitting 30 homeruns, so there has got to be some power. Maybe someone like Cliff Floyd or maybe even Moises Alou.

Furcal is actually realistic in the infield, so sign him and trade Walker with Cedeno starting at second with Neifi being swingman.

Dempster was actually pretty productive and cheap, so he's a decent closer for them. They need another veteran bullpen arm and I think WSI favorite Bob Howry is actually a good fit there.

So basically, I'm trading Patterson and Walker, signing Lofton, Furcal and Howry and trading for a right fielder who can hit 25-30 homeruns.

With the Astros maybe ready to decline and the Brewers iffy even with the talent influx, the Cubs might be able to compete for a wild card if their starters stayed healthy, which is excessively doubtful.

Tekijawa
11-08-2005, 05:46 PM
GF2020... I know it will get some of those tags but I too thought this would be an interesting topic, especially if we can keep the TEAL to a minimum...

Nice analysis too! Great points!

I agree with Ol' Number 2, there are 4 players that you Can Build around on this squad. Lee, Ramirez, Prior and Zambrano. You could catch lightning in a bottle and have some of the other guys have a career year and do some damage, But they are in a Division that has a lot of good young talent and because of Baker they are behind the Curve on evaluating their own you talent... I think that MOST Cubs "fans" believe the Hype that the Tribune puts out on guy like Pie and Mitre, but how long before they realize that they are just another Patterson and Walton or better yet will they ever know because the team doesn't give them a chance? Don't get me wrong, they aren't as bad off as the Pirates, but I think I'd rather have the Brewers roster than the cubs at this point... at least there is a little more to work with there.

Ol' No. 2
11-08-2005, 06:05 PM
One thing this team needs more than anything else is a solid catcher. We all saw how big of an impact Pierzynski had on the pitching staff. If they're going to try to develop some of their young arms, a good veteran catcher is a must. He doesn't need to be a great hitter, but someone who is good at handling pitchers is a must. He might even work a miracle and get Kerry Wood's head out of his ass.

maurice
11-08-2005, 06:12 PM
BLOWING UP THE TEAM AND STADIUM IS NOT AN OPTION!

He might not be able to LITERALLY blow up the team, but Hendry definitely should figuratively blow up the team.

The only veteran guys I would even consider keeping are Dempster, Prior, Rusch, Williamson, Zambrano, Barrett, Ramirez, Hairston, and Lee. I would try hard to trade Maddux and Wood for prospects, and would seriously consider any offers for the guys on my "keep" list. I'd also fire Dusty, so I can start all of my best young players, including Pie. I'd also try to add Furcal and a young corner OF, while slowly rebuilding the pitching staff.

There's no quick fix for this mess. The good news is that you'll have high revenues and 3 mil. attendance while you rebuild.

MarySwiss
11-08-2005, 06:28 PM
Frankly, I'd prefer they didn't fix the team! :cool:

Chips
11-08-2005, 06:31 PM
1. Most importantly you need a Lead off man, you already have a serviceable SS, so yo go after Damon instead of Furcal since you are hurting for a CF anyway.

2. Almost as imporant as number 1, you need a Closer, wagner fits the bill and he's always injurred... he'll fit right in!

3. Giles, you need another Power OF to replace Burnitz... you have the money to upgrade too.

4. Blumm gives you a solid Back up Infielder and has a little name recogintion from the other side of town... Market that and MILK IT!


Pitchers
46 Ryan Dempster (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=133225)
49 John Koronka (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=425655)
31 Greg Maddux (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=118120)
52 Sergio Mitre (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=429901)
44 Roberto Novoa (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=430604)
45 Will Ohman (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=349193)
22 Mark Prior (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=407578)
33 Glendon Rusch (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=121556)
XX Billy Wagner 9 Million
40 Todd Wellemeyer (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=425487)
32 Jerome Williams (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=425532)
48 Scott Williamson (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=150182)
34 Kerry Wood (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=134268)
43 Michael Wuertz (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=430900)
38 Carlos Zambrano (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=407296)
Catchers
8 Michael Barrett (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=136664)
24 Henry Blanco (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=111072)
Infielders
11 Ronny Cedeno (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=430592)
16 Aramis Ramirez
15 Jerry Hairston (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=150020)
25 Derrek Lee (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=117601)
1 Jose Macias (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=150197)
13 Neifi Perez (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=120413)
7 Todd Walker (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=123842)
XX Geoff Blum 1 Million
Outfielders
4 Ben Grieve (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=115132)
19 Matt Murton (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=444875)
20 Corey Patterson (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=279913)
XX Johnny Damon about 10 Million
XX Brian Giles 10 Million

I see Blum signing with LA or SD or Anahiem. He just seems like a Southern California kind of guy,

Hokiesox
11-08-2005, 06:33 PM
Why are the excellent baseball brains here helping that team? Don't waste brain cells that could easily help the Sox.

gobears1987
11-08-2005, 06:41 PM
Why are the excellent baseball brains here helping that team? Don't waste brain cells that could easily help the Sox.The Sox don't need rebuilding so there's no fun there. It's fun to pretty much in our minds do to the Cubs what KW did last year. He blew up the team and rebuilt it.

veeter
11-08-2005, 06:52 PM
I'm 38 years old and I guarantee you the cubs will not win the series in my lifetime.

Jjav829
11-08-2005, 06:57 PM
Alright Mr. Hendry, you have a reported $30 Million more to spend this year, what would you do? Who would you go after? Please Limit the teal! But since we spend each day analyzing what our team should do, let's see if any of us could fix this mess? BLOWING UP THE TEAM AND STADIUM IS NOT AN OPTION!

Feel free to make realistic trades, and Signings, drop players as needed... It'll be interesting to see the line ups!


This is actually a very good idea. We all have a little armchair GM in us somewhere. I don't know if you'd want to do it, but every few days during the offseason we should start a thread to discuss what we feel each team should do to fix their team, playing the role of GM for that team.

Obviously all of this lacks some realism as we don't know every player that is available for trade and what free agents want to sign. But here's my attempt at playing Jim Hendry.

1.) Sign Rafael Furcal. Something like 4-years, $36 million might do the trick. Let Nomar walk.
2.) Trade Todd Walker for Arthur Rhodes.
3.) Sign B.J. Ryan. 4-years, $32 million might get it done.
4.) Trade Kerry Wood and Corey Patterson for Kevin Mench and prospects.
5.) Trade prospects for Milton Bradley.
6.) Sign Kevin Millwood to, let's say, a 3-year, $27 million deal.
7.) Sign Bob Howry. A 2-year, $5 million deal could close land him.

New lineup:
SS Rafael Furcal
2B Ronny Cedeno
1B Derrek Lee
3B Aramis Ramirez
RF Kevin Mench
CF Milton Bradley
C Michael Barrett
LF Matt Murton

Starting Rotation:
Carlos Zambrano
Mark Prior
Kevin Millwood
Glendon Rusch
Greg Maddux

Bullpen:
Closer: B.J. Ryan
LH relievers:
Arthur Rhodes
Will Ohman
RHP:
Bob Howry
Ryan Dempster
Michael Wuertz/Roberto Novoa/Jerome Williams/Todd Wellemeyer etc. compete in Spring Training for roster spots.

Final result:
The top of the lineup is stronger with a true leadoff hitter and a lot more speed. Lee, Ramirez and Mench provide solid thunder in the middle of the order. Bradley provides a left-handed stick in center. Murton starts in left and bats low to keep pressure off him as he continues to develop. If Murton doesn't work out then left field can be upgraded with a left-handed bat midseason.

The up-the-middle defense is much stroner with Furcal and Cedeno instead of Nomar and Walker. Ramirez, Furcal, Cedeno and Lee is potentially one of the best infield defenses in the game. Bradley provides solid defense in center. Murton and Mench may struggle in the outfield, but you hope that they more than make up for it with their bats.

Pitching wise, Wood gets shipped out to the pitching desperate Rangers. Millwood (or perhaps Washburn) is brought in to replace him. Rusch stays in the rotation where he has been much better and provides a left-handed starter. Maddux gets one more year as the #5 starter. The bullpen gets a dominant closer in Ryan. Dempster moves back to the setup role and is joined by Bob Howry. Rhodes is acquired when Walker is shipped off and provides a veteran lefty. The rest can be determined by ST battles.

There you have it. Your 2006 Cubs. Now I hope none of this happens. :smile:

Oh, and my definite first step, fire Dusty Baker.

Optipessimism
11-08-2005, 08:11 PM
Trade Derreck Lee and Mark Prior to the Sox for Willie Harris and Kevin Walker (the Sox are clearly overpaying here, but oh well).

Trade Aramis Ramirez to the Twins for Nick Punto.

Trade Greg Maddux, Michael Barrett, Jerome Williams, Jerry Hairston, JR and Felix Pie to SF for Barry Bonds and then convert him into a pitcher.

Give Corey Patterson a cool nickname and move him to 1B.

Sign Sammy Sosa to a three year $80M deal and make him the starting SS.

Give Kerry Wood a ten year extension worth $250M.

Sign AJ Burnett to take Prior's spot in the rotation.

Trade Carlos Zambrano to the Brewers for Russell Branyan and put him in CF.

Win the World Series with this awesome team.

peeonwrigley
11-08-2005, 08:22 PM
- The Cubs only have 3 "major league" OF under contract and Pie won't start next year. That's one place they'll have to make a big FA splash - I say with Johnny Damon (4 years at $40M-$44M.)

- Move Patterson for whatever you can get.
- I would do my best to get another solid bat for right field (Jacque Jones - 3 years at $8M) and go with Murton in left.
- Damon removes the need to pay for Furcal, and they can hope Neifi remains productive for one more year to split time up with Cedeno. Walker stays at 2B. Their corners are rock solid, right up there w/ StL's.

Every day lineup:
CF - Damon
2B - Walker
1B - D Lee
3B - Ramirez
RF - Jones
C - Barrett
SS - Neifi
LF - Murton
P
(Blanco at C, Cedeno SS/2B, Hairston at 3B/OF, Grieve OF)

As for the staff:
- Wood isn't going anywhere, no one will touch the idiotic contract he has.

- Overall its not in too bad of shape, just needs two more bullpen arms and a middle of the rotation guy.

- The FA market for relievers sucks. Its old. I'd take a shot on a Jose Mesa or Jeff Nelson to sure up the pen. Should be cheap, so its not much risk with the payroll. Could close in a bind, too.

- Throw whatever it takes to get BJ Ryan - he's the best available closer and due a payday ($32M for 5 years). If that is a no go, over pay for a 2 year deal on Wickman ($10M for 2 years.)

- Sign Esteban Loaiza for 2 years and $10M.

Starters:
Zambrano
Prior
Esteban
Wood(s)
Maddux

Pen:
L - Rusch (really 5th starter for when Carrie goes on DL)
L - Williamson
R - competition among crap there now
Set up: Dempster
Set up#2: Mesa/Nelson
Closer: Ryan/Wickman

Those moves would cost about $25M depending on what got done. Leaves a couple holes that I'm too lazy to fill right now, but that's how I would round out the team.

soxfan26
11-08-2005, 09:33 PM
Frankly, I'd prefer they didn't fix the team! :cool:

:?: Why the teal?

MadetoOrta
11-08-2005, 09:44 PM
$30 million? Pocket the $30,000,000 to help the cubune bottom line and leave the team as is. They're just fine as is.

Banix12
11-08-2005, 10:08 PM
Alright Mr. Hendry, you have a reported $30 Million more to spend this year, what would you do? Who would you go after? Please Limit the teal! But since we spend each day analyzing what our team should do, let's see if any of us could fix this mess? BLOWING UP THE TEAM AND STADIUM IS NOT AN OPTION!

Feel free to make realistic trades, and Signings, drop players as needed... It'll be interesting to see the line ups!

Pitchers
46 Ryan Dempster (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=133225)
53 Rich Hill (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=448179)
49 John Koronka (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=425655)
31 Greg Maddux (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=118120)
52 Sergio Mitre (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=429901)
44 Roberto Novoa (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=430604)
45 Will Ohman (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=349193)
22 Mark Prior (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=407578)
33 Glendon Rusch (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=121556)
37 Jermaine Van Buren (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=435278)
40 Todd Wellemeyer (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=425487)
32 Jerome Williams (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=425532)
48 Scott Williamson (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=150182)
34 Kerry Wood (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=134268)
43 Michael Wuertz (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=430900)
38 Carlos Zambrano (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=407296)
Catchers
8 Michael Barrett (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=136664)
24 Henry Blanco (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=111072)
58 Geovany Soto (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=434567)
Infielders
11 Ronny Cedeno (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=430592)
16 Aramis Ramirez
15 Jerry Hairston (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=150020)
25 Derrek Lee (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=117601)
1 Jose Macias (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=150197)
13 Neifi Perez (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=120413)
55 Ryan Theriot (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=444135)
7 Todd Walker (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=123842)
Outfielders
4 Ben Grieve (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=115132)
19 Matt Murton (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=444875)
20 Corey Patterson (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=279913)

Realistically I think there are only three position players worth keeping. Lee, Cedeno, and Murton. I think Ramirez and Barrett are both good hitters but fundamentally unsound players, missed signs, sloppy defense, Ramirez only seems to play well in contract years. I keep Barrett though in this scenario just because I don't see them getting anybody better.

I trade Aramis Ramirez, Kerry Wood, Mike Fontenot (or any top minor league hitter they want) and Rich Hill to Boston for Manny Ramirez and Kevin Youkilis. Other minor leaguers can be included.

Trade Todd Walker. Walker wants to start.

Sign Scott Eyre

Trade Corey Patterson for whatever you can get.

Sign Rafael Furcal.

Sign Kevin Millwood to a multi-year deal

Everyday lineup.
SS. Rafeal Furcal
2nd. Ronny Cedeno
RF. Manny Ramirez
1st. Derrek Lee
LF. Matt Murton
3rd. Kevin Youkilis
CF. Adam Greenberg
C. Michael Barrett

Bench.
Neifi Perez
Henry Blanco
Orlando Palmeiro (FA bench signing)
Jerry Hairston Jr.
Jose Macias (easily replacable if the team can land a better Utility man in one of the trades, either the walker or Patterson trade.)


Starting Rotation
Zambrano
Prior
Millwood
Maddux
Rusch

Closer
Dempster (he did a fine job last year, give him another shot)

Bullpen (it's young but it's not bad, the bad parts of the 2005 bullpen are gone. hawkins, remlinger)
Ohman
Wuertz
Van Buren
Williamson
Eyre
last pitcher, either J. Williams, R. Novoa, S. Mitre, T. Wellemeyer, or J. Leicester.

antitwins13
11-08-2005, 10:21 PM
Alright Mr. Hendry, you have a reported $30 Million more to spend this year, what would you do? Who would you go after? Please Limit the teal! But since we spend each day analyzing what our team should do, let's see if any of us could fix this mess? BLOWING UP THE TEAM AND STADIUM IS NOT AN OPTION!

Feel free to make realistic trades, and Signings, drop players as needed... It'll be interesting to see the line ups!

Pitchers
46 Ryan Dempster (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=133225)
53 Rich Hill (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=448179)
49 John Koronka (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=425655)
31 Greg Maddux (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=118120)
52 Sergio Mitre (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=429901)
44 Roberto Novoa (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=430604)
45 Will Ohman (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=349193)
22 Mark Prior (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=407578)
33 Glendon Rusch (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=121556)
37 Jermaine Van Buren (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=435278)
40 Todd Wellemeyer (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=425487)
32 Jerome Williams (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=425532)
48 Scott Williamson (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=150182)
34 Kerry Wood (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=134268)
43 Michael Wuertz (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=430900)
38 Carlos Zambrano (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=407296)
Catchers
8 Michael Barrett (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=136664)
24 Henry Blanco (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=111072)
58 Geovany Soto (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=434567)
Infielders
11 Ronny Cedeno (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=430592)
16 Aramis Ramirez
15 Jerry Hairston (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=150020)
25 Derrek Lee (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=117601)
1 Jose Macias (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=150197)
13 Neifi Perez (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=120413)
55 Ryan Theriot (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=444135)
7 Todd Walker (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=123842)
Outfielders
4 Ben Grieve (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=115132)
19 Matt Murton (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=444875)
20 Corey Patterson (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=279913)


I would sign Paul Bird, and Johnny Damon as free agents. Trade Kerry Wood for a legitimate two spot hitter.

SoxSpeed22
11-08-2005, 11:12 PM
Where to start?
Ok, let's start with
trade Corey Patterson, Todd Walker, Sergio Mitre and Todd Wellemeyer to Minnesota for Torii Hunter.
Sign Rafael Furcal
Sign Kevin Millwood
Trade Kerry Wood to Texas for David Dellucci and Phil Nevin
Sign either BJ Ryan or Billy Wagner
Sign either Braden Looper or Bob Wickman

The lineup will be

Furcal-SS
Hunter-CF
Lee-1B
Ramirez-3B
Barrett-C
Dellucci-LF
Murton-RF
Cedeno-2B

The rotation will have
Prior
Zambrano
Millwood
Maddux
Rusch

The Pen would be

Dempster
Wickman/Looper
Ryan/Wagner-C
Hill
Williamson
Williams
Novoa/others

EDIT: Kevin Mench would probably be a better power bat, but I chose Dellucci for his lefty bat and OBP.

DSpivack
11-09-2005, 12:48 AM
No one has listed Jerome Williams as a starter for the Cubs. I think he'll be a solid #4 or #5 in the NL.

Flight #24
11-09-2005, 12:50 AM
Pitchers
46 Ryan Dempster (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=133225)
53 Rich Hill (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=448179)
49 John Koronka (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=425655)
31 Greg Maddux (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=118120)
52 Sergio Mitre (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=429901)
44 Roberto Novoa (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=430604)
45 Will Ohman (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=349193)
22 Mark Prior (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=407578)
33 Glendon Rusch (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=121556)
37 Jermaine Van Buren (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=435278)
40 Todd Wellemeyer (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=425487)
32 Jerome Williams (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=425532)
48 Scott Williamson (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=150182)
34 Kerry Wood (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=134268)
43 Michael Wuertz (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=430900)
38 Carlos Zambrano (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=407296)
Catchers
8 Michael Barrett (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=136664)
24 Henry Blanco (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=111072)
58 Geovany Soto (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=434567)
Infielders
11 Ronny Cedeno (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=430592)
16 Aramis Ramirez
15 Jerry Hairston (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=150020)
25 Derrek Lee (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=117601)
1 Jose Macias (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=150197)
13 Neifi Perez (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=120413)
55 Ryan Theriot (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=444135)
7 Todd Walker (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=123842)
Outfielders
4 Ben Grieve (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=115132)
19 Matt Murton (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=444875)
20 Corey Patterson (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=279913)

Core Players: Prior, Zambrano, Ramirez, Lee
Other Keepers: Maddux (solid #4/5 starter), Williamson, Rusch, Dempster, Barrett, Perez (UT IF), Hairston, Murton, Je.Williams
Potential Rookie: Pie

Needs:
- Leadoff man, preferably playing SS (enabling Pie to come up)-->Furcal ($10M/yr)
- Power OF, Jjav stole my thunder with one of the few deals that could actually happen involving Wood: Wood home to Texas for Mench (Saves $11M, but might need to send some $$$ along, so say $5M savings)
- Closer -->Wagner ($10M/yr)
- #3SP -->Millwood ($9M/yr)
- RP --> Seanez/Howry/Tavarez ($2.5M/yr)

Rotation: Prior-Zambrano-Millwood-Maddux-Johnson/Elarton
Bullpen: Rookie/minimum vet-Wellemeyer/Ohman/Novoa-Seanez/Howry/Tavarez - Rusch-Williamson-Dempster-Wagner
Order: Furcal (SS)-Hairston(2B)-Lee(1B)-Ramirez(3B)-Mench(RF)-Barrett(C)-Murton(LF)-Pie(CF)-PITCHER
Bench: Perez (UTIF), Grieve (OF), Blanco (C), UTIF, OF

Solid D up the middle and in the IF. Solid SPs & 'pen. A balanced order. Another option would be to sign a guy like Rondell White to a 1yr deal and either platoon him with Murton or play him until he gets hurt and then plug in the younger guy.

Total salary added: $26.5M, if you add a White type of OF, it'll be right around $30M.

Oh yeah, and get a manager that actually knows how to get his guys to be accountable and execute.
:ozzie "Don luka me, I ain comi neer da ****ing dump!"

Banix12
11-09-2005, 01:00 AM
No one has listed Jerome Williams as a starter for the Cubs. I think he'll be a solid #4 or #5 in the NL.

I think he will be a starter for them eventually. I just knocked him off on mine because I think Rusch is better right now for them as the #5. Maddux makes too much money to move to another team and isn't good enough to be a #3 starter anymore so I stuck him at #4. If Salary meant nothing I would probably put Williams in over maddux.

TheOldRoman
11-09-2005, 01:12 AM
The Cubs have 4 players good enough to build a team around: Prior, Zambrano, Lee and Ramirez. Some of the young guys might be able to play, but they'll never find out with Baker and Hendry running the show. The rest are bench players. It will take at least two years to fix this mess, even with a decent GM and manager.
I will give you Zambrano, Lee, and Ramirez, but I don't think you can build around Prior. Yes, I am the one who started the thread in June asking people to pick between Prior and Garland.:D:

Prior is such a liability because of his injuries. You know going into any given year that he will miss close to half of his scheduled starts. You cannot build around a player who is that fragile. Obviously, he has immense talent, so he is not someone you throw away. However, you can't rely on him to be your horse and throw 200 innings like the Sox can with Buehrle, Garcia, Garland, and now Contreras. Prior can be deadly come playoff time, but you can't rely on him to get you there.

That being said, if you have Prior on your staff, he can't be any higher than your number 4. You need at least three reliable starters to win, and you are crazy if you think Prior can take the hill every 5th day. I would go out and sign Millwood and either sign or trade for another top starter. If Prior stays healthy most of the time, you have arguably the best 4th starter in baseball. When he goes down, you still have three solid pitchers.

Banix12
11-09-2005, 01:36 AM
I will give you Zambrano, Lee, and Ramirez, but I don't think you can build around Prior. Yes, I am the one who started the thread in June asking people to pick between Prior and Garland.:D:

Prior is such a liability because of his injuries. You know going into any given year that he will miss close to half of his scheduled starts. You cannot build around a player who is that fragile. Obviously, he has immense talent, so he is not someone you throw away. However, you can't rely on him to be your horse and throw 200 innings like the Sox can with Buehrle, Garcia, Garland, and now Contreras. Prior can be deadly come playoff time, but you can't rely on him to get you there.

That being said, if you have Prior on your staff, he can't be any higher than your number 4. You need at least three reliable starters to win, and you are crazy if you think Prior can take the hill every 5th day. I would go out and sign Millwood and either sign or trade for another top starter. If Prior stays healthy most of the time, you have arguably the best 4th starter in baseball. When he goes down, you still have three solid pitchers.


Prior's major injury last season was pretty much a fluke occurance. I don't think his situation is as bad as Wood's problems since his problems seem to be the result of bad mechanics. Prior still started 27 games last year despite that line drive off his elbow so at most he missed about 8 starts. I don't think it's nearly as bad as you are making it. However if he gets hurt again in 06 I would be inclined to change my opinion.

If they can find a taker for Wood though, jump at any reasonable deal. And getting an extra top flight starter wouldn't be a bad idea.

Tekijawa
11-09-2005, 09:29 AM
This is actually a very good idea. We all have a little armchair GM in us somewhere. I don't know if you'd want to do it, but every few days during the offseason we should start a thread to discuss what we feel each team should do to fix their team, playing the role of GM for that team..

I can do that! I'll be the official Team picker. Once the Talk Dies down in a thread or evey couple days or weeks, I'll pck the new team for discussion.

munchman33
11-09-2005, 11:39 AM
Alright Mr. Hendry, you have a reported $30 Million more to spend this year, what would you do? Who would you go after? Please Limit the teal! But since we spend each day analyzing what our team should do, let's see if any of us could fix this mess? BLOWING UP THE TEAM AND STADIUM IS NOT AN OPTION!

Feel free to make realistic trades, and Signings, drop players as needed... It'll be interesting to see the line ups!

Pitchers
46 Ryan Dempster (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=133225)
53 Rich Hill (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=448179)
49 John Koronka (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=425655)
31 Greg Maddux (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=118120)
52 Sergio Mitre (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=429901)
44 Roberto Novoa (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=430604)
45 Will Ohman (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=349193)
22 Mark Prior (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=407578)
33 Glendon Rusch (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=121556)
37 Jermaine Van Buren (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=435278)
40 Todd Wellemeyer (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=425487)
32 Jerome Williams (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=425532)
48 Scott Williamson (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=150182)
34 Kerry Wood (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=134268)
43 Michael Wuertz (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=430900)
38 Carlos Zambrano (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=407296)
Catchers
8 Michael Barrett (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=136664)
24 Henry Blanco (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=111072)
58 Geovany Soto (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=434567)
Infielders
11 Ronny Cedeno (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=430592)
16 Aramis Ramirez
15 Jerry Hairston (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=150020)
25 Derrek Lee (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=117601)
1 Jose Macias (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=150197)
13 Neifi Perez (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=120413)
55 Ryan Theriot (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=444135)
7 Todd Walker (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=123842)
Outfielders
4 Ben Grieve (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=115132)
19 Matt Murton (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=444875)
20 Corey Patterson (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=279913)

Trade Kerry Wood and prospects to Texas for Mark Texiera.
Cubs save money on the deal.
Trade Derrek Lee to White Sox for Jon Garland and Willie Harris.
After arbitration, salary should be a wash.
Trade Todd Walker for prospects. Save $2 million. Willie Harris starts at second.
Trade Corey Patterson to Yankees for cash considerations.
Sign Rafael Furcal 5 years $38 million to play SS and leadoff.
Sign B.J. Ryan 3 years $24 million to setup role and backup closer.
Sign Kevin Millwood 3 years, $34 million.
Sign Hideki Matsui 3 years $35 million.
Give CF to Felix Pie. He doesn't have to be good offesively.

Rotation:
Zambrano
Prior
Garland
Millwood
Maddux

Pen:

CL Dempster
SU Ryan
SU Williamson
MR Wellmeyer/Wuertz
LR Williams
6th starter Rusch

Lineup is much faster, better with Furcal and Harris at the top. It is also incredibly balanced. And the defense is improved.

SS Furcal
2B Harris
1B Texiera
3B Ramirez
LF Matsui
RF Murton
C Barret
CF Pie

It's Time
11-09-2005, 12:58 PM
:?: At this thread. If I were GM of the Cubs the 1st thing I would do is dump Patterson, who will never suceed on that team. I don't think that kid will survive another season of non-stop booing. Either get a mid level prospect, Juan Pierre or some pen help and move on.

Sign A.J. Burnett. Trade Michael Barrett and Wellemeyer to Detroit for Ivan Rodridguez. Pudge wants out of Detroit.

Sign Furcal. Which may actually happen.

Sign Billy Wagner and make Dempster the set-up man. I think Dempster was something like 30 for 33 in save opps but he is not a true closer.

Trade Todd Walker to the White Sox for Marte:D: . A nice bat off the bench backing up Tadihito.

I move Murton to RF and give the LF job to the wonder kid Felix Pie. If Pie is not ready, sign Brian Giles for 2 years and move Murton back to LF.

Lineup:

Pierre CF
Furcal SS
Lee 1B
Ramirez 3B
Rodriguez C
Murton/Giles RF (If Giles is signed, Murton hits 8th and plays LF).
Cedeno 2B
Murton/Pie LF (If Giles is not signed, Pie hits here and Murton 6th).
Pitcher

The lineup then becomes balanced and outside of Pierre, full of OBP guys. The defense becomes very good and very fast.

Rotation:

Zambrano R
Prior R
Wood or Angel Guzman R
Burnett R
Maddux R

I have to admit, if that rotation stays healthy, it looks very solid.

Pen:

Ohman L
Novoa R
Marte L (But more than likely this will be Rusch).
Guzman or Wood R
Dempster R
Wagner L

There! Now where's my check?:D:

Deuce
11-09-2005, 01:00 PM
Frankly, I'd prefer they didn't fix the team! :cool:Fixed it. :wink:

Flight #24
11-09-2005, 01:06 PM
You know what - the more I think about it the more I wonder if they really can improve significantly with one move: Getting a real manager. They have some holes, but their core of Prior, Zambrano, Maddux (as a #4), Williams/Rusch, Lee, Ramirez, Barrett, Murton, Pie, Walker/Hairston, Dempster isn't all that bad. It's because there's no emphasis on fundamentals that they end up sucking.

Put Ozzie at the helm of that team, and I'd even bet you start getting better play out of Patterson. Biggest needs are probably a leadoff/SS, some late relief, and a solid, reliable #3 SP. And that can be done with a lot less than $30M. But adding $50M in talent and leaving it managed by Dusty is basically throwing $$ away.

It's Time
11-09-2005, 01:12 PM
You know what - the more I think about it the more I wonder if they really can improve significantly with one move: Getting a real manager. They have some holes, but their core of Prior, Zambrano, Maddux (as a #4), Williams/Rusch, Lee, Ramirez, Barrett, Murton, Pie, Walker/Hairston, Dempster isn't all that bad. It's because there's no emphasis on fundamentals that they end up sucking.

Put Ozzie at the helm of that team, and I'd even bet you start getting better play out of Patterson. Biggest needs are probably a leadoff/SS, some late relief, and a solid, reliable #3 SP. And that can be done with a lot less than $30M. But adding $50M in talent and leaving it managed by Dusty is basically throwing $$ away.

You're probably right about the manager part but I think Patterson is toast here in Chicago. That kid can't handle the media intensity in this town, let alone the booing.

I think Barrett is weak. He is a decent bat but his D blows. Same with Walker. I like him off the bench but not starting. I forgot about Rusch but to me there is no room for him in the rotation. He is a good mop up guy or middle innings man.

getonbckthr
11-09-2005, 03:58 PM
1) Deal Wood, Walker, Cedeno and patterson for Soriano and Nevin.
2) sign Furcal (4/40)
3) sign damon (4/44)
4) trade for milton bradley
5) sign BJ Ryan (5/45)
LINEUP
furcal-ss
damon-cf
soriano-2b
lee-1b
ramirez-3b
bradley-lf
nevin-rf
barrett-c
PITCHER
ROTATION
zambrano,prior,maddux,rusch(waiting for rich hill),williams
BULLPEN
cl-Ryan Setup-dempster lhp-hill,mitre wellmyer ................

TomBradley72
11-09-2005, 04:35 PM
This whole thread makes me uncomfortable....I feel like I need to take a shower after each viewing.:?:

gr8mexico
11-09-2005, 08:36 PM
IF the Cubs want to win they should follow the same thing the Sox did. The Cubs really need to sign Furcal and Mark Grudz what a great double play combo and a great defensive infield.Then the Cubs should sign J. Washburn and J.Jones Oh who are we kidding they need an EXTREME MAKEOVER!!!! but that would be a great start.

Ol' No. 2
11-09-2005, 09:02 PM
You know what - the more I think about it the more I wonder if they really can improve significantly with one move: Getting a real manager. They have some holes, but their core of Prior, Zambrano, Maddux (as a #4), Williams/Rusch, Lee, Ramirez, Barrett, Murton, Pie, Walker/Hairston, Dempster isn't all that bad. It's because there's no emphasis on fundamentals that they end up sucking.

Put Ozzie at the helm of that team, and I'd even bet you start getting better play out of Patterson. Biggest needs are probably a leadoff/SS, some late relief, and a solid, reliable #3 SP. And that can be done with a lot less than $30M. But adding $50M in talent and leaving it managed by Dusty is basically throwing $$ away.The team is weak up the middle. Barrett sucks, they have no middle IF and while Patterson is pretty decent defensively, he costs them too much at the plate. If you're going to start anywhere, that would be it. They got rid of the wrong 2B last year, but they have a second chance. Sign Grudz and Furcal. There are several decent FA catchers, all of whom are miles better than Barrett. Better up the middle defense would immediately make all their pitchers better.

Banix12
11-09-2005, 10:35 PM
The team is weak up the middle. Barrett sucks, they have no middle IF and while Patterson is pretty decent defensively, he costs them too much at the plate. If you're going to start anywhere, that would be it. They got rid of the wrong 2B last year, but they have a second chance. Sign Grudz and Furcal. There are several decent FA catchers, all of whom are miles better than Barrett. Better up the middle defense would immediately make all their pitchers better.

I agree with you on almost all points except for signing Grudz, certainly they kept the wrong guy but I actually really like two of the players they have coming up in the minors in Ronny Cedeno and Mike Fontenot. Both seem to have good gloves and nothing left to prove in the minor leagues.

The cubs are loaded with middle infield prospects, I think it's high time to use some of them. Sign Furcal and let Cedeno and Fontenot battle for the starting job.

Domeshot17
11-10-2005, 01:34 AM
It is so odd to say this, but I this is a good thread, cubs or not. I had the same talk with a friend the other day. Here is what I would do

locked positions: Lee 1b Barret C Ramirez 3b Walker/Hairston platoon at second, Perez Utility
Needs: SS, ALL OF positions, bench
Locked pitchers: Prior, Zambrano, Maddux,Dempster


RF is Murtons to lose, But Jose Valentin is signed as a super utility who can take over in RF, also Pie is close.
LF With a weak crop of free agents, I set 3 plans into place
First I think REALLY BIG: Cubs get: Manny Ramirez, Kevin Youklis, Jaun Pierre
Marlins get:Edgar Renteria SS, Felix Pie CF, 2 prospects from Boston, and one pitching prospect from the cubs
Red Sox get: 1b Carlos Delgado, 3b Aramis Ramirez, cf Corey Patterson and SP Kerry Wood, and SS Ronny Cedeno

That seems to work, adds a bigger bat, a 3b who has a glove, and a CF to lead off

If that fails, I target Giles, going a little smaller

When he signs on the other side of town, I try and get Kevin Mench from Texas for Kerry Wood. and at worst I offer Reggie Sanders a one year deal.

No need for the 2b platoon, so if Cendeo gets dealt, Walker gets sent to Minnesota for JC Romero.

Im saying after its all done, I have about 17 million left to fill the holes of SS, SP and 2 relievers.

I give Furcal 10 mil of that for 4 years, keep shooring up the D, an IF of Youklis-Furcal-Hariston-Lee is very solid. If Furcal chooses elsewhere, and is only using us to drive up the price, I resign Nomar to 2 year base with incentives up to 9.5 million.

The Rotation goes in as Prior Zambrano MAddux Rich Hill and Jerome Williams
Bullpen, I make a run, depending on money, at Tom Gordon. If he does not take a closers Job, he would be ideal for setting up with Dempster, who did solid in the 9th.

So at best I go into 2006 with a lineup of:
1 Pierre CF
2 Furcal SS
3 Lee 1b
4 Manny LF
5 Youklis 3b
6 Murton
7 Barret C
8 Hairston 2b
9 P

At worst
1 Damon CF
2 Hairston 2b
3 Ramirez 3b
4 Lee 1b
5 Barret C
6 Reggie Sanders LF
7 Murton RF
8 Cedeno SS
9 P

Sp: Prior Zambrano Hill Maddux and Williams
Pen: Long man Mitre, MR-Wellemeyer or Novoa, Rusch Williamson Set up Gordon and Romero, Closer Dempster
Bench: Jose Valentin, Perez, Macias Blanco and Timo Perez