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veeter
10-31-2005, 10:46 AM
For those who like impressive numbers. Sox from 1990-2005.
*W-1343 L-1180 .532
*1st place- 4
*2nd place- 9
*3rd place- 3
*Below .500 only four times for a combined 22 games under. Never below 3rd.

2000's
*W-527 L-445 .542
*Including this year's amazing .611
*2005 World Champions

*Not coincidentally, Frank Thomas brought to major leagues- 1990

Madvora
10-31-2005, 10:54 AM
Never below 3rd place in 15 years. That's impressive.
That's a prety good stat considering the Cubs went about 30 something years without putting together consecutive winning seasons.

Randar68
10-31-2005, 11:06 AM
Never below 3rd place in 15 years. That's impressive.
That's a prety good stat considering the Cubs went about 30 something years without putting together consecutive winning seasons.

It's also one reason why the Sox have gone the longest in all of baseball without a top 10 draft pick. It doesn't have the same glory as Atlanta's run, but the consistency and the fact that they've been contenders about every year in those 15 years is a pretty good indicator of a successful organization.

veeter
10-31-2005, 11:06 AM
I'd be willing to bet the Sox are at the top of the heep as far as total wins since '90. To me, this Championship is verification that they've been a top ORGANIZATION for a long time. The fact they've had no respect is a joke.

itsnotrequired
10-31-2005, 11:06 AM
Never below 3rd place in 15 years. That's impressive.
That's a prety good stat considering the Cubs went about 30 something years without putting together consecutive winning seasons.

Or the D-Rays who have yet have a winning season. Or the Brewers who had their first "winning" (.500) season in 13 years.

The lists go on...

What's extra amazing is that NO OTHER TEAM has finished 3rd or better every year in the last 15 years. Not a single one. These numbers look even more impressive.

nebraskasox
10-31-2005, 11:13 AM
I'd be willing to bet the Sox are at the top of the heep as far as total wins since '90. To me, this Championship is verification that they've been a top ORGANIZATION for a long time. The fact they've had no respect is a joke.

I heard or read somewhere that in the decade of the 90's, after the Yankees, Indians and Braves, the Sox were 4th in most wins.

asindc
10-31-2005, 11:14 AM
I heard or read somewhere that in the decade of the 90's, after the Yankees, Indians and Braves, the Sox were 4th in most wins.

I've always thought that our failure to win the division consistently has tarnished the Big Hurt era.

veeter
10-31-2005, 11:16 AM
I've always thought that our failure to win the division consistently has tarnished the Big Hurt era. This year should change that, if it's the case at all.

34 Inch Stick
10-31-2005, 12:26 PM
The problem with that time frame is that Cleveland and then Minnesota each put together multiple division winning teams. These far outshone our occasionally very good but always decent teams. That being said, perennial second place finisher is not something I would aspire to.

pudge
10-31-2005, 01:52 PM
Weren't the Sox #3 in the '90s behind NY and Atlanta for overall record?

veeter
10-31-2005, 02:01 PM
The problem with that time frame is that Cleveland and then Minnesota each put together multiple division winning teams. These far outshone our occasionally very good but always decent teams. That being said, perennial second place finisher is not something I would aspire to. I don't think anyone here is happy with second place. My point is the Sox do a very good job of winning a lot of games. Yes, MN and Clev. have won multiple divisions, but so have the Sox. (93,94,00,05) And when the Sox win, it hasn't been preceeded or followed by a 72 win campaign. I know what you're saying, but the Sox do win games consistently.

PKalltheway
10-31-2005, 03:27 PM
The Yankees have had a more recent 90-loss season (1991) than the White Sox have (1989)

fquaye149
10-31-2005, 03:45 PM
*Not coincidentally, Frank Thomas brought to major leagues- 1990

Not much more than that needs to be said. :D:

Hondo
10-31-2005, 03:50 PM
With this year's W.S. win and some real viable talent in the minors, I see a similar if not better next 15 years.
But maybe I'm being a poly.

Hitmen77
11-01-2005, 01:02 PM
The Sox have won 94+ games four times since 1990 - and that's not counting '94 when they were on pace to win 96.:mad:

What does this mean? To me, it means that the 2005 White Sox winning the World Series was not just a "shot in the dark" fluke where some perrennial loser came out of nowhere and got lucky to win it all. While the the Sox have had their ups and downs since 1990, the truth is that they have been a competive organization that put together an impressive win total in 5 of the last 16 years. This is something that few other teams have been consistently able to do during this span - and that Sox persistence finally paid off.

Lip Man 1
11-01-2005, 01:47 PM
The White Sox did indeed have the 4th most wins in MLB in the decade of the 90's...the problem was they had zero World Series appearances and only one post season appearance.

Something must also be taken into consideration when using the 2nd place finishes number...the is not the MLB before 1960 when you had an eight team league or from 1961 through 1968 when you had a ten team league. Then a second place finish was a serious accomplishment....not today...not when you only have four and five team divisions.

Lip

dcb33
11-01-2005, 02:34 PM
The Yankees have had a more recent 90-loss season (1991) than the White Sox have (1989)

Interesting stat. I went ahead and did some further research and the only team to go longer without a 90 loss season than the White Sox is the Boston Red Sox. They haven't had a 90 loss season since 1966. :o:

veeter
11-01-2005, 02:48 PM
The White Sox did indeed have the 4th most wins in MLB in the decade of the 90's...the problem was they had zero World Series appearances and only one post season appearance.

Something must also be taken into consideration when using the 2nd place finishes number...the is not the MLB before 1960 when you had an eight team league or from 1961 through 1968 when you had a ten team league. Then a second place finish was a serious accomplishment....not today...not when you only have four and five team divisions.

Lip Very good points. I do think, though, the Sox would have reached and probably won the series in 1994. Sadly, noone will ever know for sure. IMO to equal out the fact the divisions have less teams, is that with free agency and generally more player movement, it's harder to sustain a winner. This puts much more emphasis on either payroll increases or an excellent farm system. The Sox I feel have excelled at the latter.

veeter
11-01-2005, 02:55 PM
The Sox have won 94+ games four times since 1990 - and that's not counting '94 when they were on pace to win 96.:mad:

What does this mean? To me, it means that the 2005 White Sox winning the World Series was not just a "shot in the dark" fluke where some perrennial loser came out of nowhere and got lucky to win it all. While the the Sox have had their ups and downs since 1990, the truth is that they have been a competive organization that put together an impressive win total in 5 of the last 16 years. This is something that few other teams have been consistently able to do during this span - and that Sox persistence finally paid off. Perfectly stated.

Wsoxmike59
11-01-2005, 06:11 PM
Jeff Brantley still thinks we suck!! :D:

Chips
11-01-2005, 06:17 PM
Jeff Brantley still thinks we suck!! :D:

I don't think the teal is necessary.

buehrle4cy05
11-01-2005, 06:28 PM
If you look at it, we haven't had a losing season this millenium.:cool: The only teams in the same boat we are are:

Yankees
Oakland
Atlanta
St. Louis
Boston

Realist
11-01-2005, 07:47 PM
If you look at it, we haven't had a losing season this millenium.:cool: The only teams in the same boat we are are:

Yankees
Oakland
Atlanta
St. Louis
Boston

That's pretty impressive company.

MISoxfan
11-01-2005, 08:02 PM
I heard or read somewhere that in the decade of the 90's, after the Yankees, Indians and Braves, the Sox were 4th in most wins.

I wonder if they are third since 1990? We've had a better record than Cleveland from 2000-2005, but it might not be by enough. We could even be 5th behind Oakland counting that period of time as well.