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Viva Medias B's
10-25-2005, 07:59 AM
It seems that the national media, omnipotent in its own mind, is already writing us off for tonight's game because Roy Oswalt is starting against us. However, we know better. Oh, we know it will not be easy, but Oswalt is not impregnable. How do you think we will get to him tonight?

akingamongstmen
10-25-2005, 08:32 AM
We've got to jump on him early before he gets into a rhythm. If we can put up a crooked number in the first, then we can win this one. I like our chances because he will be so pumped up in front of the home crowd that he could be a little wild at first.

Killer-Beees
10-25-2005, 08:39 AM
We've got to jump on him early before he gets into a rhythm. If we can put up a crooked number in the first, then we can win this one. I like our chances because he will be so pumped up in front of the home crowd that he could be a little wild at first.

Ding Ding Ding...Tell him what he's won Johnny! :bandance:

You nailed it with the approach on getting to Roy. He's just like many pitchers who don't have it going fully until 2nd or 3rd inning. Once Roy does find his rythm, LOOK OUT.


Just a good ole kuntry boy :redneck who loves to play hardball.

akingamongstmen
10-25-2005, 08:54 AM
Ding Ding Ding...Tell him what he's won Johnny! :bandance:

Cut me some slack...somebody had to play Captain Obvious in this thread. :D:

elrod
10-25-2005, 09:32 AM
Here are some pitch count stats on Oswalt. Scroll down to the bottom.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/splits?statsId=6646&type=pitching&year=2005

Pitches 1-15: .291 BAA
16-30: .223 BAA
31-45: .237 BAA
46-60: .232 BAA
61-75: .239 BAA
76-90: .364 BAA
91-105: .245 BAA
106-120: .265 BAA

Get to him early, in the first inning, or get to him when he starts to wear down a bit after 76 pitches. I'm not sure why he's so much better in 91-105 than 76-90, though. Maybe it accounts for the handful of games that he struggled in the 6th inning. In games where he was dominating, he continued to dominate into the 8th inning, which was probably pitch #100.

What's interesting is when you contrast this with Jon Garland, who dominates out of the gate and then wears down in the middle innings.

Pitches 1-15: .135 BAA
16-30: .250 BAA
31-45: .248 BAA
46-60: .271 BAA
61-75: .286 BAA
75-90: .333 BAA
91-105: .293 BAA
106-120: .129 BAA

Like Oswalt, he has a window of difficulty at 75-90. It probably accounts for the times when he runs out of gas in the 6th inning. When he flies through, he dominates to the end.

balke
10-25-2005, 09:55 AM
Patience. Possibly try to beat him with Podsednik bunting on, stealing, being moved over to 3rd, and scoring.

Sox gotta try to take a lot of pitches, and get Oswalt out of the game. It wouldn't hurt to make him run too by fielding infield hits. I'm hoping the Sox can jump on him early, and not have to worry about getting him out of the game, but realistically they will probably have to wear him down.

More than anything, the Sox will need Garland to beat Oswalt. There's a good chance of that.

Clembasbal
10-25-2005, 10:07 AM
Look fastball, sit on curve and off-speed. You gotta do this against guys with tremendous deuces like Oswalt has. You keep your weight back, then it makes it easier to react to the curve.

But what do I know, I only coach high school freshman!:D:

chisoxfan23
10-25-2005, 10:22 AM
We have to start the game by Pods bunting for hit, steal 2nd, and get him in This will get him out of his rythem and open it up for the rest of the night.

Ol' No. 2
10-25-2005, 10:26 AM
Here are some pitch count stats on Oswalt. Scroll down to the bottom.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/splits?statsId=6646&type=pitching&year=2005

Pitches 1-15: .291 BAA
16-30: .223 BAA
31-45: .237 BAA
46-60: .232 BAA
61-75: .239 BAA
76-90: .364 BAA
91-105: .245 BAA
106-120: .265 BAA

Get to him early, in the first inning, or get to him when he starts to wear down a bit after 76 pitches. I'm not sure why he's so much better in 91-105 than 76-90, though. Maybe it accounts for the handful of games that he struggled in the 6th inning. In games where he was dominating, he continued to dominate into the 8th inning, which was probably pitch #100.

What's interesting is when you contrast this with Jon Garland, who dominates out of the gate and then wears down in the middle innings.

Pitches 1-15: .135 BAA
16-30: .250 BAA
31-45: .248 BAA
46-60: .271 BAA
61-75: .286 BAA
75-90: .333 BAA
91-105: .293 BAA
106-120: .129 BAA

Like Oswalt, he has a window of difficulty at 75-90. It probably accounts for the times when he runs out of gas in the 6th inning. When he flies through, he dominates to the end.Most pitchers have similar patterns. It's pretty easy to explain, really. They only get to higher pitch counts when they're having a good day. When they have an off-day they get pulled sooner.

The Dude
10-25-2005, 10:31 AM
Ding Ding Ding...Tell him what he's won Johnny! :bandance:

You nailed it with the approach on getting to Roy. He's just like many pitchers who don't have it going fully until 2nd or 3rd inning. Once Roy does find his rythm, LOOK OUT.


Just a good ole kuntry boy :redneck who loves to play hardball.

That sounds a lot like our Freddy Garcia. He can have disaster 1st and 2nd innings but then will settle downand you wont touch him for the next 5 innings. Problem with him is control though. Wild pitches, walks, etc. I usually attribute it to working off the hangover in the first 2 innings:redneck!

SoxRulecubsdrool
10-25-2005, 10:36 AM
Ding Ding Ding...Tell him what he's won Johnny! :bandance:



Just a good ole kuntry boy :redneck who loves to play hardball.

I think he looks like Owen. The guy from Planes,Trains and Automobiles that pick up Neil and Del from the Braidwood Inn with the pick up truck.
"People train runs out of Stubville"

Dan H
10-25-2005, 10:37 AM
The key to beating Oswalt is Jon Garland pitching another solid game himself. The White Sox are not going to score a ton of runs tonight. But they are better than St. Louis and can beat Oswalt in low scoring game.

Frater Perdurabo
10-25-2005, 10:40 AM
Like any other great pitcher, you have to be patient: Don't swing at garbage and don't chase balls in the dirt. Make him throw you something you can hit.

Pods has the perfect approach; patiently waiting for good pitches and then fouling off pitches with two strikes, waiting to find something to slap for a hit.

Iguchi, Dye and even Konerko are pretty good with this approach as well, and Uribe has flourished with being patient lately. It's so pleasing and rewarding to see him take more walks. I don't look for Rowand, Pierzynski or Crede to be patient now; their style is to swing at anything and hope for the best. Hopefully they can find a fastball down the middle to drive into the seats.

veeter
10-25-2005, 10:41 AM
I have a strange feeling Ozuna will play a big role down in Houston.

shoota II
10-25-2005, 10:42 AM
Here are some pitch count stats on Oswalt. Scroll down to the bottom.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/splits?statsId=6646&type=pitching&year=2005

Pitches 1-15: .291 BAA
16-30: .223 BAA
31-45: .237 BAA
46-60: .232 BAA
61-75: .239 BAA
76-90: .364 BAA
91-105: .245 BAA
106-120: .265 BAA

Get to him early, in the first inning, or get to him when he starts to wear down a bit after 76 pitches. I'm not sure why he's so much better in 91-105 than 76-90, though. Maybe it accounts for the handful of games that he struggled in the 6th inning. In games where he was dominating, he continued to dominate into the 8th inning, which was probably pitch #100.

What's interesting is when you contrast this with Jon Garland, who dominates out of the gate and then wears down in the middle innings.

Pitches 1-15: .135 BAA
16-30: .250 BAA
31-45: .248 BAA
46-60: .271 BAA
61-75: .286 BAA
75-90: .333 BAA
91-105: .293 BAA
106-120: .129 BAA

Like Oswalt, he has a window of difficulty at 75-90. It probably accounts for the times when he runs out of gas in the 6th inning. When he flies through, he dominates to the end.

Reminds me of Garland's last opponent, John Lackey. We weren't favored to win that matchup, but Konerko thought otherwise.

tebman
10-25-2005, 11:17 AM
I have a strange feeling Ozuna will play a big role down in Houston.
Now that would be cool. I hope you're right -- I'd love to hear McCarver say "Why does this keep happening?" again if the Sox win it through the efforts of another unexpected member of the team like Ozuna.

(more accurately, I'd love to hear about McCarver saying that since I listen to the audio from the radio :cool: )

Maybe Willie Harris will be the one to tip the game -- then the mods would need to give bafiarocks03 a dedicated server to handle her response.:wired:

Lip Man 1
10-25-2005, 11:26 AM
How do you beat Oswald? Score one more run then Houston.

Lip

34 Inch Stick
10-25-2005, 11:41 AM
I think he looks like Owen. The guy from Planes,Trains and Automobiles that pick up Neil and Del from the Braidwood Inn with the pick up truck.
"People train runs out of Stubville"

She's thin but she's wirey.

The second baby came out sideways and she didn't scream.

By the way I think the guy who played Owen is a Chicagoan and veteran stage actor in the city.

34 Inch Stick
10-25-2005, 11:42 AM
How do you beat Oswald? Score one more run then Houston.

Lip

Would it be wrong to say the Sox should treat Oswald as a patsy?

Lip Man 1
10-25-2005, 11:53 AM
Only if Oliver Stone is directing! LOL

Lip

ChiSoxGirl
10-25-2005, 12:21 PM
How do you beat Oswald? Score one more run then Houston.

Lip

So in other words, do what Ed Farmer suggests: "When they score, you have to come back and score more than they scored." :D:

WSoxFanForever
10-25-2005, 01:43 PM
I don't believe we were supposed to be able to hit Lidge either, right?