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shoota II
10-22-2005, 06:08 PM
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/sortable/index.php?cid=25


#19: Garland
#33: Buehrle
#65: Garcia
#74: El Duque
#84: Contreras
#93: McCarthy

DMarte708
10-22-2005, 11:35 PM
So, what's that now? 3 or 4th straight year Hernandez tops the Most Abused Pitchers list?

More than a pitch count, you need a good conditioning staff. Obviously, Montreal/Washingon have had done well keeping Hernandez healthy.

And it's certaintly no surprise to me two Cub starting pitchers are #2 and #3. In addition to Dusty's high pitch counts, Cub's conditioning staff must be fairly poor.

voodoochile
10-22-2005, 11:54 PM
Those are some pretty average stats. I mean every team in baseball would expect to have on guy in the top 32 on average and the Sox have exactly that and him not even in the top half of that 32.

Any team with good starters is going to be high up the chart too and given the success of the Sox starters this season, those numbers are perfectly acceptable, IMO.

The Wimperoo
10-23-2005, 10:59 AM
This just shows how well Ozzie used his pitchers this year.

slavko
10-23-2005, 01:32 PM
You can't use them if you don't have them. It's KW, not chance, that has given Ozzie a lot of pitchers he trusts in game situations. "Great bullpens make great managers." (I still can't recall who said that.)


If you only trust half of your staff, those guys are going to get overworked. Simple.

Daver
10-23-2005, 01:39 PM
This has got to be one of the dumbest things BP has come up with.

doublem23
10-23-2005, 06:30 PM
That is ridiculous.

soxfan26
10-23-2005, 06:41 PM
This has got to be one of the dumbest things BP has come up with.

That is ridiculous.

That about sums it up. Do these guys ever watch baseball?

jabrch
10-24-2005, 12:20 AM
That about sums it up. Do these guys ever watch baseball?

Why bother? A spreadsheet tells you all you need to know...

CLR01
10-24-2005, 01:07 AM
Have we clicnhed the ALC or ALDS yet?

FloridaSox
10-24-2005, 01:19 AM
That about sums it up. Do these guys ever watch baseball?

Yeah, probably a lot more than most members of this board.

FarWestChicago
10-24-2005, 01:29 AM
Yeah, probably a lot more than most members of this board.:fobbgod:

My disciples always have my back!!

OEO Magglio
10-24-2005, 02:58 AM
Yeah, probably a lot more than most members of this board.
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schmitty9800
10-24-2005, 09:31 AM
Have we clicnhed the ALC or ALDS yet?

Who cares? I'm too busy getting my pitcher abuse reports finished so if one of these top pitchers goes down with an injury (oh god please) I can show all these stupid MLB people that it should be ME managing their teams!

voodoochile
10-24-2005, 09:57 AM
Yeah, probably a lot more than most members of this board.

Oh....Kay...:?:

So tell us... do these abuse points predict something? Liklihood of injury?

Is there any evidence that it's the abuse and not some predetermined genetic condition or a bad delivery or just plain bad luck?

There are SO many factors in injuries that I doubt this one stat can tell us much.