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Johnny Mostil
10-20-2005, 12:35 PM
I've found five White Sox from the '59 team who went on to play for the Astros. Scroll down for the answers. (Three played in the '59 Series.) Can anybody think of any others?


























Billy Goodman, who played for the Astros in their inaugural year.

Nellie Fox, who played for the '64 and '65 Astros.

Jim Landis, who played for the '67 Astros.

Barry Latman, who pitched for the Astros in '66 and '67 but did not pitch in the '59 Series. (Does anybody know why? Just a #5 starter who didn't get any work?)

Claude Raymond, who had 4 IP over 3 G for the '59 Sox and pitched for the Astros from '64 to '67.

Chez
10-20-2005, 03:36 PM
Can anyone recall a Sox/Astros trade? I know Freddy started his career as an Astro and both Blum and Everett played there, but they didn't come to us from Houston. Off the top of my head, I can't think of one.

Andyzipp
10-20-2005, 04:06 PM
Jun 22 1962 - traded Dean Stone (http://www.astrosdaily.com/players/Stone_Dean.html)(P) to Chi-A for Russ Kemmerer (http://www.astrosdaily.com/players/Kemmerer_Russ.html)(P)
Dec 10 1963 - traded Jim Golden (http://www.astrosdaily.com/players/Golden_Jim.html)(P), Danny Murphy and cash to Chi-A for Nellie Fox (http://www.astrosdaily.com/players/Fox_Nellie.html)(IF)
Dec 1 1965 - traded Jack Lamabe (http://www.astrosdaily.com/players/Lamabe_Jack.html)(P), Ray Cordeiro(P) and cash to Chi-A for Bill Heath (http://www.astrosdaily.com/players/Heath_Bill.html)(C) and Dave Nicholson (http://www.astrosdaily.com/players/Nicholson_Dave.html)(OF)
Jul 20 1966 - traded Jim Mahoney (http://www.astrosdaily.com/players/Mahoney_Jim.html)(IF) and cash to Chi-A for Gene Freese (http://www.astrosdaily.com/players/Freese_Gene.html)
Oct 23 1973 - traded Hector Torres (http://www.astrosdaily.com/players/Torres_Hector.html)(IF) to Chi-A for Dan Neumeier. Hou received Neumeier on Dec 4.
Jul 4 1992 - traded Eric Yelding (http://www.astrosdaily.com/players/Yelding_Eric.html)(IF) to Chi-A for Rich Scheid (http://www.astrosdaily.com/players/Scheid_Rich.html)(P). Chi received Yelding on Jul 10.
Apr 6 1994 - selected Ken Ramos (http://www.astrosdaily.com/players/Ramos_Ken.html)(OF) off waivers from Chi-A
Nov 6 1996 - granted free agency to Danny Darwin (http://www.astrosdaily.com/players/Darwin_Danny.html)(P), who signed with Chi-A on Feb 7
Nov 18 1996 - granted free agency to Doug Drabek (http://www.astrosdaily.com/players/Drabek_Doug.html)(P), who signed with Chi-A on Jan 14
Aug 15 1997 - traded Julien Tucker(P) to Chi-A for Tony Pena (http://www.astrosdaily.com/players/Pena_Tony.html)(C)

Chez
10-20-2005, 04:09 PM
Thanks for the help. Other than Nellie Fox, not too many household names in there!

elrod
10-21-2005, 02:09 AM
Danny Darwin moved along in the White Flag trade.

Nellie_Fox
10-21-2005, 02:18 AM
Nellie Fox, who played for the '64 and '65 Astros.No, Nellie played for the '64 and '65 Colt .45's. They didn't become the Astros until '66.
Other than Nellie Fox, not too many household names in there!Oh, my. How can a real Sox fan say that when Jim Landis is listed?

santo=dorf
10-21-2005, 03:02 AM
The only thing I remember about the astros playing the White Sox is Magglio getting 2 hits in his MLB debut against them, the Sox getting blown out 17 to something, and while Frank was at-bat, the White Sox runner was able to advance to second when the wild pitch landed in the umpire's shirt pocket! :o:

Johnny Mostil
10-21-2005, 08:37 AM
No, Nellie played for the '64 and '65 Colt .45's. They didn't become the Astros until '66.

No, Nellie played for the '64 Colt .45s and the '65 Astros. (cf. http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/HOU/ and http://baseball-almanac.com/teams/astr.shtml).

So if you're going to do corrections, Professor, then you may wish to do them thoroughly, as I did for my college and graduate students when I taught. To wit:

Billy Goodman, who played for the Colt .45s in their inaugural season, coincidentally the inaugural season for the Houston National League Baseball Club.

Nellie Fox, who played for the Colt .45s in their final season and the Astros in their inaugural season, coincidentally the third and fourth seasons for the Houston National League Baseball Club.:tongue: :smile:

TommyJohn
10-21-2005, 08:59 AM
How can we forget one of the most famous Houston-Chicago connections
ever? Doug Rader!

Rader was a third baseman for the Astros in the 60's and 70's; in 1983, as
manager of the Texas Rangers he said that the 1983 White Sox were
"winning ugly games." He was quoting a scouting report, but still. They were
his words and the nickname stuck.

VenturaSoxFan23
10-21-2005, 10:21 AM
Tony Pena not a household name? I'll admit he was a shell of his former self by 1997 but during the 80s he was one of the premier catchers in the game. Plus, you just gotta love the way he'd keep switching positions behind the plate. He could gun down a runner sitting down.

Nellie_Fox
10-22-2005, 01:12 AM
No, Nellie played for the '64 Colt .45s and the '65 Astros. (cf. http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/HOU/ and http://baseball-almanac.com/teams/astr.shtml).

So if you're going to do corrections, Professor, then you may wish to do them thoroughly, as I did for my college and graduate students when I taught. To wit:

Billy Goodman, who played for the Colt .45s in their inaugural season, coincidentally the inaugural season for the Houston National League Baseball Club.

Nellie Fox, who played for the Colt .45s in their final season and the Astros in their inaugural season, coincidentally the third and fourth seasons for the Houston National League Baseball Club.:tongue: :smile:Crap, I even went and checked baseball-reference.com first, and still got it wrong. I don't know what I was looking at.

However, the fact still remains that he didn't play for the '64 and '65 Astros, which was your original post, so we both screwed it up. :redneck

Chez
10-22-2005, 04:15 PM
No, Nellie played for the '64 and '65 Colt .45's. They didn't become the Astros until '66.
Oh, my. How can a real Sox fan say that when Jim Landis is listed?

Professor, I was replying to the previous post where all the trades were listed. Landis is not on that list.

Johnny Mostil
10-22-2005, 06:08 PM
Crap, I even went and checked baseball-reference.com first, and still got it wrong. I don't know what I was looking at.

However, the fact still remains that he didn't play for the '64 and '65 Astros, which was your original post, so we both screwed it up. :redneck

Indeed. I've already administered myself 100 lashes with a wet noodle . . .