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jabrch
10-16-2005, 02:42 AM
4 starts
3 CG
only 2/3 IP total from the pen.
Only Runs allowed
Only 2 Walks issued
Vlad Guerrero hitting .062 with 0 walks and 0 XBH
GA hitting .133


Now this guarantees us absolutely nothing at all. I am not celebrating ANYTHING yet. But this has been such a joy to watch.

Can anyone think of a team that has pitched better in 4 games of an ALCS than we have?

Jerome
10-16-2005, 02:49 AM
Nope, this is unheard of in my baseball world. Never would I ever expect this from any team, especially my beloved White Sox who for years had always been just short of quality pitching.

This pitching staff will go down in baseball histroy as legendary if the Sox can get 5 more wins. You don't just hold teams like the Angels and Red Sox down for that long, I'm sorry. I full well expect this flukey pitching to return to normal anytime soon.

Foulke You
10-16-2005, 02:50 AM
I've never seen an LCS starting staff dominate like this in my lifetime. It seems like decades ago when we last saw Cliff Politte, Dustin Hermanson, or Neal Cotts pitch.

If Joe Buck can ever stop whining about bad calls for the Angels, he might want to stop and notice some tremendous pitching from the White Sox in this series.

chisoxfanatic
10-16-2005, 02:50 AM
This is the first time in AL HISTORY that there have been three consecutive complete games from starting pitchers!

voodoochile
10-16-2005, 02:51 AM
They posted a stat on FOX after the game. The last time a team had three straight complete games in the playoffs was 1973 - it was the Mets.

I don't know what there stats were from that series, but anytime you are putting up stats that haven't been touched in 30+ years, you are doing something right.

jabrch
10-16-2005, 02:57 AM
They posted a stat on FOX after the game. The last time a team had three straight complete games in the playoffs was 1973 - it was the Mets.

I don't know what there stats were from that series, but anytime you are putting up stats that haven't been touched in 30+ years, you are doing something right.


New York Mets IP H R ER BB SO HR
Seaver (http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/Pseavt001.htm) L(0-1) 8.1 6 2 2 0 13 2
Matlack (http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/Pmatlj101.htm) W(1-0) 9 2 0 0 3 9 0
Koosman (http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/Pkoosj001.htm) W(1-0) 9 8 2 2 0 9 1
Stone (http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/Pstong102.htm) 6.2 3 1 1 2 4 1


Well - First off, I don't see 3 CGs. Second, that was a 5 game series that ended up going all the way to game 5. It was also an NLCS (no DH) in the early 70s (higher mound, fewer runs scored, etc.)

That said, that was an impressive pitching staff that destroyed a very good hitting Cincinati Reds team (Bench, Rose, Perez, Morgan, Griffey)

Let's hope that our series goes 5 games also! (Despite having tickets to games 6 and 7, I am hoping to never get a chance to use them!)

Hendu
10-16-2005, 03:03 AM
Well, according to the staff's WHIP, multiplied by the park-adjusted era, divided by the opposing line-up's VORP plus winshares, there's only a 63% chance of Buehrle, Garland and Garcia throwing complete games in this series.

Fuller_Schettman
10-16-2005, 03:03 AM
They posted a stat on FOX after the game. The last time a team had three straight complete games in the playoffs was 1973 - it was the Mets.

I don't know what there stats were from that series, but anytime you are putting up stats that haven't been touched in 30+ years, you are doing something right.

Game 1-Seaver pitches a CG. Rose ties it with a HR in the 8th and Bench hits a walk-off HR in the 9th with 1 out. 2-1 Reds

Game 2- Matlack CG 2-hit shutout. Mets 5-0

Game 3- Koosman scatters 8 hits in CG win. Mets walk 9-2

Game 4- Rose hits HR in top of 12th. Reds 2-1

Game 5- Seaver goes 8 in a blowout. Mets 7-2

voodoochile
10-16-2005, 03:05 AM
New York Mets IP H R ER BB SO HR
Seaver (http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/Pseavt001.htm) L(0-1) 8.1 6 2 2 0 13 2
Matlack (http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/Pmatlj101.htm) W(1-0) 9 2 0 0 3 9 0
Koosman (http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/Pkoosj001.htm) W(1-0) 9 8 2 2 0 9 1
Stone (http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/Pstong102.htm) 6.2 3 1 1 2 4 1


Well - First off, I don't see 3 CGs. Second, that was a 5 game series that ended up going all the way to game 5. It was also an NLCS (no DH) in the early 70s (higher mound, fewer runs scored, etc.)

That said, that was an impressive pitching staff that destroyed a very good hitting Cincinati Reds team (Bench, Rose, Perez, Morgan, Griffey)

Let's hope that our series goes 5 games also! (Despite having tickets to games 6 and 7, I am hoping to never get a chance to use them!)

Apparently according to FS later in this thread, Seaver pitched a complete game because he gave up the game winning HR with one out in the ninth - a walkoff, so I guess it qualifies.

jabrch
10-16-2005, 03:08 AM
Apparently according to FS later in this thread, Seaver pitched a complete game because he gave up the game winning HR with one out in the ninth - a walkoff, so I guess it qualifies.

Got it...So no team has ever had 3 CG WINS and no team has ever had 3 9 inning CGs.

Let's go out and win tomorrow! This is a nice piece of trivia, but it don't mean a thing, if we don't get that ring...

IJay22
10-16-2005, 04:26 AM
The way things are going, we won't see our bullpen til 2006. lol

MUsoxfan
10-16-2005, 04:37 AM
The way things are going, we won't see our bullpen til 2006. lol


I'll take it. Put Marte in a deep, dark corner:cool:

StockdaleForVeep
10-16-2005, 04:48 AM
New York Mets IP H R ER BB SO HR
Seaver (http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/Pseavt001.htm) L(0-1) 8.1 6 2 2 0 13 2
Matlack (http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/Pmatlj101.htm) W(1-0) 9 2 0 0 3 9 0
Koosman (http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/Pkoosj001.htm) W(1-0) 9 8 2 2 0 9 1
Stone (http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/Pstong102.htm) 6.2 3 1 1 2 4 1


Well - First off, I don't see 3 CGs. Second, that was a 5 game series that ended up going all the way to game 5. It was also an NLCS (no DH) in the early 70s (higher mound, fewer runs scored, etc.)

That said, that was an impressive pitching staff that destroyed a very good hitting Cincinati Reds team (Bench, Rose, Perez, Morgan, Griffey)

Let's hope that our series goes 5 games also! (Despite having tickets to games 6 and 7, I am hoping to never get a chance to use them!)

Jesus, 13 k's by seaver and a loss

chitownhawkfan
10-16-2005, 07:12 AM
Q: Has there ever been a more dominating SP performance in an ALCS?

When you factor in that it could have easily been four complete games, no, there has never been a starting performance as dominant as this.

downstairs
10-16-2005, 09:13 AM
Q: Has there ever been a more dominating SP performance in an ALCS?

When you factor in that it could have easily been four complete games, no, there has never been a starting performance as dominant as this.


They mentioned a LCS or WS in the '60s where four consecutive pitchers went 8+ innings. The White Sox are the first to do this since that. However, I do not remember the team/year.

And, who knows how they did.

The amazing this is that this happened in 2005. That is just sick. Complete games were a nice thing in the 60s and 70s... but rather common.

In 2005? 3 in a row? 4 starters in a row playing into the 9th? 5 pitchers in 4 games?

Just think about that.

PaleHoseGeorge
10-16-2005, 09:36 AM
But you know what is REALLY amazing? The White Sox aren't even the best pitching staff in Chicago.

:roflmao:

What can I tell you. I read about it in the Cubune.

:wink:

harwar
10-16-2005, 09:50 AM
I remember past seasons where maybe two pitchers would be absolutely dominant in a playoff series but not EVERY STARTER.
This is something special that we are witnessing here.Someone should tell the media what is going on.
Like the man said .. "its history makin'.

Flight #24
10-16-2005, 09:54 AM
On a related note, BBTN last night showed a stat that the Angels currently have the 3d lowest LCS BA in history at .177. Through 4 games, they have a grand total of 2 players with more than 2 hits.

elrod
10-16-2005, 10:20 AM
The best post-season pitching performance, by far, was the 1966 Orioles. They beat the Dodgers in four straight: 5-2, 6-0, 1-0 and 1-0. The last three games were complete game shutouts by Dave McNally, Wally Bunker and Jim Palmer.

downstairs
10-16-2005, 10:22 AM
But you know what is REALLY amazing? The White Sox aren't even the best pitching staff in Chicago.

:roflmao:

What can I tell you. I read about it in the Cubune.

:wink:

Yep... 2nd best team in the city, 3rd best team in the AL Central, 2nd best pitching staff in the city, projected .480 record, and....

...one game away from the World Series.

downstairs
10-16-2005, 10:24 AM
The best post-season pitching performance, by far, was the 1966 Orioles. They beat the Dodgers in four straight: 5-2, 6-0, 1-0 and 1-0. The last three games were complete game shutouts by Dave McNally, Wally Bunker and Jim Palmer.

While I tend to hate the whole "that was a different time, so these numbers count more" arguments... think about it... that was 1966, where 1-0 games, complete games were common.

We're doing this in 2005!

DumpJerry
10-16-2005, 10:30 AM
The way things are going, we won't see our bullpen til 2006. lol
I watched Game 4 at Bourdon Street. Every time they showed Marte throwing in the 'Pen, the place erupted in shouts of "NOOOOO!" When the other guys were shown throwing, there was no reaction.

elrod
10-16-2005, 10:34 AM
While I tend to hate the whole "that was a different time, so these numbers count more" arguments... think about it... that was 1966, where 1-0 games, complete games were common.

We're doing this in 2005!

Even in that era, three straight shutouts were amazing.

ajtokarz
10-16-2005, 10:39 AM
I watched Game 4 at Bourdon Street. Every time they showed Marte throwing in the 'Pen, the place erupted in shouts of "NOOOOO!" When the other guys were shown throwing, there was no reaction.

I was at my house, screaming Noooo every time they showed him in the pen. My daughters got into the act too...it was fun.

jabrch
10-16-2005, 10:52 AM
But you know what is REALLY amazing? The White Sox aren't even the best pitching staff in Chicago.

:roflmao:

What can I tell you. I read about it in the Cubune.

:wink:

And BP now has us 99.95% likely to win the AL Central... Just because MLB says it, doesn't make it so...

1951Campbell
10-16-2005, 11:05 AM
On a related note, BBTN last night showed a stat that the Angels currently have the 3d lowest LCS BA in history at .177. Through 4 games, they have a grand total of 2 players with more than 2 hits.

.But it's all the bad calls that are really hurting the Angels.

RKMeibalane
10-16-2005, 11:17 AM
Apparently according to FS later in this thread, Seaver pitched a complete game because he gave up the game winning HR with one out in the ninth - a walkoff, so I guess it qualifies.

Correct. If the starting pitcher is on the mound when a walkoff hit occurs, he gets credit for a complete game because he still pitched the entire time.

Blob
10-16-2005, 12:03 PM
I watched Game 4 at Bourdon Street. Every time they showed Marte throwing in the 'Pen, the place erupted in shouts of "NOOOOO!" When the other guys were shown throwing, there was no reaction.

I told everyone yesterday, Ozzie was getting him up in the pen just to give the Angels false hopes of being able to come back!!

jabrch
10-16-2005, 03:07 PM
I'd love to see Contreras close it out today - he'd then open game 1 again I assume.

I wonder if anyone has pitched game 1 of the ALDS, the ALCS AND the World Series in the same year?

Palehose13
10-16-2005, 03:57 PM
You guys aren't seeing the whole picture. The only reason the Sox have 3 CG's is because Ozzie is too lazy to walk out of the dugout and manage this team.

TDog
10-16-2005, 04:01 PM
... 3rd best team in the AL Central ....

You would get some argument about the Sox being as high as third from the Tigers clubhouse.

SoxFan64
10-16-2005, 04:19 PM
You guys aren't seeing the whole picture. The only reason the Sox have 3 CG's is because Ozzie is too lazy to walk out of the dugout and manage this team.


Hasn't use his bench too. Just putting in Ozuna for one stupid PR job too. We need a real manager like the one on the northside.

:tealtutor:

or maybe the folks at BBTN, FOX and Cubine will suggest that we should have used these guys as our manager.

:R&R

santo=dorf
10-16-2005, 04:28 PM
But none of these guys have the stuff to shut a team down unlike Zambrano, Wood, or Prior.

jabrch
10-17-2005, 01:19 AM
BUMP...

I'll call your 3 CGs and raise you a CG...

44.1 IP from your starters in 5 games with only 10 runs. That's unbelieveable.

IotaNet
10-17-2005, 01:29 AM
4 starts
3 CG
only 2/3 IP total from the pen.
Only Runs allowed
Only 2 Walks issued
Vlad Guerrero hitting .062 with 0 walks and 0 XBH
GA hitting .133


Only two walks?? For the whole series? Is this true???

jabrch
10-17-2005, 01:37 AM
Only two walks?? For the whole series? Is this true???

That was for the first four games for the SPs.

Game 1 - Contreras 0 walks
Game 2 - Buehrle 0 walks
Game 3 - Garland 1 walk
Game 4 - Freddy 1 walk

When you add in game 5
Game 5 - Contreras 2 walks

You get a total of 4 walks in 5 games from your SPs who went 44 1/3 IP. Add in Cotts 2/3 of an inning in game 1 and your pitching still on yielded 4 walks in 45 innings.

We DESTROYED the top of their order...
Figgins 2 for 17
Cabrerra 4 for 20
GA 3 for 17
Vlad Guerrero 1 for 20

As far as the pitching goes, this was total domination.

Flight #24
10-17-2005, 01:39 AM
Only two walks?? For the whole series? Is this true???

2 more for Jose tonight, but yes, that was true.

5 games: 44 1/3IP, 4 walks, .175BAA.

To the White Sox: :worship: :gulp:

To all my WSI friends: :cheers: :hug:

And to BP, ESPN, Cubune, and the rest of the mediots: :booty:

IotaNet
10-17-2005, 01:39 AM
As far as the pitching goes, this was total domination.That's beyond domination --- that's insanity!

Mercy! :o:

jabrch
10-17-2005, 01:50 AM
Game 1 - Contreras 0 walks
Game 2 - Buehrle 0 walks
Game 3 - Garland 1 walk
Game 4 - Freddy 1 walk

When you add in game 5
Game 5 - Contreras 2 walks



By the way, this is the reason I still believe batting average is more important than OBP, and why Billy Beane's teams will never go anywhere in the post season until he redesigns his approach to pursuing hitters who walk a lot.

You can get loads of free passes against the 4th and 5th starters on most teams. You can get walks on the mid rotation guys on bad teams. But against the kind of stud pitching you see in CHAMPIONSHIP calibre teams, you don't get lots of walks. You have to earn your bases and your wins. The playoffs are not luck. It is not a crapshoot. It is about who the best team is out there - and the best team is usually the team that pitches the best, and plays the best defense.

spongyfungy
10-17-2005, 02:34 AM
Dominating! Anyone remember which team had 4 CG's in LCS play? I know they flashed a graphic of that. while jose was going in the ninth.

sorry I'm peppering these threads with pics.

http://images.sportsline.com/u/ap/photos/ANS167101701_640x480.jpg (http://images.sportsline.com/u/ap/photos/ANS167101701_1024x768.jpg)

Nyls Nyman
10-17-2005, 03:07 AM
Dominating! Anyone remember which team had 4 CG's in LCS play? I know they flashed a graphic of that. while jose was going in the ninth.
No, Fox said that the last time there were 4 consecutive CG in the postseason was the 1956 Yankees, who had 5 CGs in a row including Larsen's perfect game.

And to think, if Ozzie had known how Games 2-5 would have gone, he might have left Contreras in to finish Game 1!!