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Fenway
10-14-2005, 09:57 AM
You may dislike the East Coast media but I doubt anyone here will knock this column by Bob Ryan in the Boston Globe Friday morning.

BTW fans in New England were not upset that the White Sox won the game, but simply how badly MLB handled the mess ESPECIALLY with the umpire news conference.

The Patriots got a huge break 4 years ago with the tuck rule. But the NFL explained themselves within minutes and if the rule was so bad, why is it still in force?

Ryan's column today is the best by far of what I have read
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/articles/2005/10/14/angels_paid_price_for_no_tag/?page=full
So here's the deal: The way I see it, there were two heroes, two villains, one cheated hero, and one unsung hero in The Great Third Strike Controversy of 2005.

Heroes
1. A.J. Pierzynski
2. Mike Scioscia

Villains
1. Doug Eddings
2. Josh Paul

Cheated Hero
Joe Crede

Unsung Hero
Pablo Ozuna

Let us give the White Sox an A-plus for postseason opportunism. The Tony Graffanino error would have meant nothing if, instead of serving up a three-run homer, David Wells had retired Tadahito Iguchi on a grounder to short, fly to left, or a strikeout. But he didn't.

On Wednesday night, Pierzynski was still a long way from becoming the winning run, the situation being man on first, two away. The White Sox got him home.

eriqjaffe
10-14-2005, 10:09 AM
Those last two links aren't working, BTW.

Once again, Buehrle's effort is almost completely overlooked...

Fenway
10-14-2005, 10:15 AM
Those last two links aren't working, BTW.

Once again, Buehrle's effort is almost completely overlooked...

try these links

No Rhyme or Reason to Player's Fame (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/14/sports/baseball/14paul.html)
By LEE JENKINS
No third-string catcher could have been better prepared for a nationally televised roast than the Angels' Josh Paul.

Eddings, Uneasy in the Spotlight, Believes the Ball Hit the Ground (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/14/sports/baseball/14sox.html)
By JACK CURRY
Doug Eddings, the home-plate umpire who made a disputed call that helped the White Sox win on Wednesday, on Thursday said he felt that he made the correct call.
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/global/common/bullet_black.gif Graphic: A Bizarre Ending (javascript:pop_me_up2('http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2005/10/13/style/20051014_sox_graphic.html',%20'820_901',%20'width= 820,height=901,location=no,scrollbars=yes,toolbars =no,resizable=yes'))

Sports Media and Business: Replays Support Angels' Case Against Umpire (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/13/sports/baseball/13tv.html)

Iwritecode
10-14-2005, 10:25 AM
try these links

No Rhyme or Reason to Player's Fame (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/14/sports/baseball/14paul.html)
By LEE JENKINS
No third-string catcher could have been better prepared for a nationally televised roast than the Angels' Josh Paul.

Eddings, Uneasy in the Spotlight, Believes the Ball Hit the Ground (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/14/sports/baseball/14sox.html)
By JACK CURRY
Doug Eddings, the home-plate umpire who made a disputed call that helped the White Sox win on Wednesday, on Thursday said he felt that he made the correct call.
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/global/common/bullet_black.gif Graphic: A Bizarre Ending (javascript:pop_me_up2('http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2005/10/13/style/20051014_sox_graphic.html',%20'820_901',%20'width= 820,height=901,location=no,scrollbars=yes,toolbars =no,resizable=yes'))

Sports Media and Business: Replays Support Angels' Case Against Umpire (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/13/sports/baseball/13tv.html)

It wants a login ID and none of the ones coming up on bugmenot are working.

ChiSoxGirl
10-14-2005, 10:31 AM
Once again, Buehrle's effort is almost completely overlooked...

EXACTLY! I was thinking the same thing when I was reading that post. Just how is it that a guy who goes all 9 innings, walks NOBODY, throws only 99 pitches, and surrenders only 5 hits gets overlooked so easily??

Uncle_Patrick
10-14-2005, 10:42 AM
Once again, Buehrle's effort is almost completely overlooked...


That was the first thing that popped in my head. He was my hero from that night.

mrs. hendu
10-14-2005, 10:45 AM
Let us give the White Sox an A-plus for postseason opportunism. The Tony Graffanino error would have meant nothing if, instead of serving up a three-run homer, David Wells had retired Tadahito Iguchi on a grounder to short, fly to left, or a strikeout. But he didn't.

On Wednesday night, Pierzynski was still a long way from becoming the winning run, the situation being man on first, two away. The White Sox got him home.

Great insights. Finally somebody noticed.

PaleHoseGeorge
10-14-2005, 10:46 AM
Game 2 of the 2005 ALCS is destined to be one of those games that will never be properly understood until baseball's legions of historians thoughtfully analyze it several years from now. It's up there with Merkle's Boner for misplaced judgment by the frontline press. To hear them tell it, Eddings is the villian for blowing the call... and Josh Paul's obstinance gives them just enough cover to make the teaming masses of their readership/viewership believe the story.

:kukoo:

Josh Paul already admitted he never heard "out." He admits it is only "customary" for an umpire to declare no catch, and the video shows he tossed the ball away before the umpire pumped his fist -- not that it matters since the umpire was standing out of his view.
:o:

Ultimately this is all tempest in a teapot stuff. Plenty more dramatic moments are forthcoming in this series and the World Series. The media will move on to a new topic. The teaming masses will only remember the umpire's blown call. And finally it will be left to baseball historians to offer a more reasoned approach to the subject for the record to ever be set straight -- and then only for those intelligent enough to bother to read the record long after the mass media's hysteria has died down and faded into memory.

Josh Paul is getting off easy, but history will turn him into an even bigger buffoon for trying to stonewall his way through this. Him and his dad.

:cool:

Fenway
10-14-2005, 10:51 AM
Once again, Buehrle's effort is almost completely overlooked...

Baseball isn't fair sometimes....but Buehrle's effort not completly overlooked
Boston Herald
Buehrle: Start to finish (http://redsox.bostonherald.com/otherMLB/view.bg?articleid=107022)
By Jeff Horrigan

http://redsox.bostonherald.com/images/otherMLB/buehrlemug10142005.jpg
Mark Buehrle was poised to become the first pitcher to toss 10 innings in an American League Championship Series in 32 years Wednesday... [more (http://redsox.bostonherald.com/otherMLB/view.bg?articleid=107022)]

but look at it another way. the happiest 2 people in Chicago Wednesday night has to be Aaron Rowand and Joey Cora. Had Rowand not been thrown out at the plate, there may not have been a bottom of the 9th

TDog
10-14-2005, 11:03 AM
Game 2 of the 2005 ALCS is destined to be one of those games that will never be properly understood until baseball's legions of historians thoughtfully analyze it several years from now. It's up there with Merkle's Boner for misplaced judgment by the frontline press. ...
Josh Paul already admitted he never heard "out." He admits it is only "customary" for an umpire to declare no catch, and the video shows he tossed the ball away before the umpire pumped his fist -- not that it matters since the umpire was standing out of his view. ...
Josh Paul is getting off easy, but history will turn him into an even bigger buffoon for trying to stonewall his way through this. Him and his dad. ...

Well put. Even the parts I left out. You go a long way to describe the reaction I felt after I read the following in the story on the ESPN Web site advancing today's game.


Eddings originally called Pierzynski out on the third strike before ruling the ball hit the dirt before the catch, which prolonged the inning. Television replays showed Paul backhanding the ball just above the ground and Eddings pumping a first, indicating the third out.

Cutter
10-14-2005, 12:13 PM
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/articles/2005/10/14/angels_paid_price_for_no_tag/

Fenway
10-14-2005, 12:19 PM
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/articles/2005/10/14/angels_paid_price_for_no_tag/

thread already
http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=59847

Palehose13
10-14-2005, 12:28 PM
Let us give the White Sox an A-plus for postseason opportunism. The Tony Graffanino error would have meant nothing if, instead of serving up a three-run homer, David Wells had retired Tadahito Iguchi on a grounder to short, fly to left, or a strikeout. But he didn't.

On Wednesday night, Pierzynski was still a long way from becoming the winning run, the situation being man on first, two away. The White Sox got him home.

Hey! Someone got it right. :D:

voodoochile
10-14-2005, 12:33 PM
Those last two links aren't working, BTW.

Once again, Buehrle's effort is (snip) completely overlooked...

Fixed your post.

This guy is a wag. He doesn't even bother to note that Eddings used the exact same call on every other strike for the rest of the game or that Josh Paul couldn't see the hand motion in the first place.

It makes a good story and thus it will be written about. Nothing more nothing less...

PaleHoseGeorge
10-14-2005, 12:41 PM
This is total bull**** and proves even after his cross-country revelation, Ryan still doesn't get it.

The home plate umpire had to make a very difficult call, but it would have been impossible for him to have bungled the situation worse than he did. Simply put, after Pierzynski swung and missed at a Kelvim Escobar 3-and-2 splitter, Eddings clearly signaled strike three/inning's over, no strings attached. He then appeared to change his mind once Pierzynski began to move toward first, where Eddings hastily constructed an explanation that was shamelessly backed up by no fewer than five umpires, including crew chief Jerry Crawford, in what could only be described as the umpire's version of a ''Blue Wall" response to the situation.

According to Eddings, his elaborate fist pump meant ''strike three," but not necessarily the third out. Sure.


News flash for Bob Ryan. Eddings was using the same fist pump for every strike all game long. Furthermore his unique way of signalling balls and strikes is de regueur amongst nearly all MLB umpires, who clearly think they are part of the show to demonstrate their individuality whenever given the opportunity. If Ryan has a problem with this, why only now is he pissing and moaning about it?

Where is the petition from Bob Ryan and all his fellow rockheaded baseball scribes to end the confusion umpires create when they don't uniformly signal their official rulings as prescribed by the rulebook? Gosh! Maybe they could even petition Selig to make them call a uniform strike zone, too!

The fact is Darrin Ernstad went running to first base because HE KNEW the play was too close to just assume -- as the busher Josh Paul assumed -- the umpire had called AJ out. Furthermore Josh the Busher admits he never heard the umpire say "out." So precisely how Bob Ryan concludes the umpire couldn't have "possibly bungled it worse" truly defies any rational explanation. Eddings NEVER reversed his call -- something even the obstinate Josh Paul has never claimed. So what the **** is Bob Ryan's problem?
:o:

Thanks Bob for confusing the matter even worse. Clearly it's time for you to get some more sleep -- you're still not thinking straight. Or perhaps just go soak your head.

Ol' No. 2
10-14-2005, 12:41 PM
Fixed your post.

This guy is a wag. He doesn't even bother to note that Eddings used the exact same call on every other strike for the rest of the game or that Josh Paul couldn't see the hand motion in the first place.

It makes a good story and thus it will be written about. Nothing more nothing less...If you liked these articles, you will no doubt love what Joe Sheehan (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=4539) has to say.



Both of these statements are true:


Mark Buehrle (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/dt/buehrma01.shtml) and Joe Crede (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/dt/credejo01.shtml) deserve credit for what they did to help the White Sox win last night.
The Angels got screwed.
Let's make this very, very clear: Home-plate umpire Doug Eddings called A.J. Pierzynski (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/dt/pierzaj01.shtml) out. Out. Out.

Out.



And it goes downhill from there.:(:


I'm surprised he doesn't award the Angels 22% of the win.

Iwritecode
10-14-2005, 12:45 PM
If you liked these articles, you will no doubt love what Joe Sheehan (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=4539) has to say.







And it goes downhill from there.:(:


I'm surprised he doesn't award the Angels 22% of the win.

It's hilarious that these guys can't get it through their thick skulls that Eddings, Josh Paul and AJ all said that the words "you're out" NEVER came out of Eddings mouth.

Discussion over.

Even if Eddings had used a different "mechanic" to call that third strike I'm 100% sure that Paul would have still rolled the ball back to the mound.

eriqjaffe
10-14-2005, 12:54 PM
Fixed your post.Well, I said "almost" because...

If Paul had only done that, the game would have proceeded to the 10th and we would have had the pleasure of seeing Mark Buehrle go out for at least one more inning.
See? He even spelled Buehrle's name right!