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Fenway
10-13-2005, 01:50 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation/story?page=thepulsealcs2

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Do you think Angels catcher Josh Paul caught the ball cleanly on A.J. Pierzynski's third strike? (32,809 votes)
77.2% Yes
22.8% No




How did you interpret umpire Doug Eddings' gestures after the pitch? (32,809 votes)
72.8% Batter was out
21.3% Pitch was a strike
5.9% Ball was still live





How does this call rate among questionable calls in postseason plays? (32,809 votes)
53.0% One of the 10 worst
22.6% Bad but not historic
13.9% The worst of all time
10.5% I thought he called it correctly





Should Eddings be disciplined for the call? (32,809 votes)
56.7% Yes
43.3% No





Who is most to blame for the controversial ending? (32,809 votes)
64.8% Doug Eddings for the call
32.5% Josh Paul for not tagging Pierzynski
2.7% A.J. Pierzynski for running





Who is most to blame for the Angels losing Game 2 of the ALCS? (7,147 votes)
56.2% Doug Eddings (umpire)
31.1% Josh Paul (didn't tag hitter)
7.6% Vladimir Guerrero (0-4, 2 LOB)
4.8% Kelvim Escobar (losing pitcher)





If Doug Eddings had called A.J. Pierzynski out, who would have eventually won the game? (32,809 votes)
54.3% Los Angeles Angels
45.7% Chicago White Sox





Which team will win the series?
55.1 Los Angeles Angels
44.9 Chicago White Sox





If the Angels had won Game 2, which team would you have picked to win the series?
88.2 Los Angeles Angels
11.8 Chicago White Sox


Click here to vote on the controversial ending (http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation/polling?event_id=1698)

ChicagoHoosier
10-13-2005, 01:54 PM
I saw this too, and wanted to post, but chose not too. Now that Fenway has presented us the results, i just want to point out HOW RIDICULOUS this survey is, with the dumbest question being...


If Doug Eddings had called A.J. Pierzynski out, who would have eventually won the game? (32,809 votes)
54.3% Los Angeles Angels
45.7% Chicago White Sox

Please.

stl_sox_fan
10-13-2005, 02:01 PM
Let's keep the insanity rollin'

If Steve Bartman had not interfered with Moises Alou who would have eventually won the 2003 NCLS? (55,809 votes)
88.3% Chicago Cubs
11.7% Florida Marlins


If your aunt had balls would she technically be your uncle? (82,849 votes)
93.2% Yes
3.7% No
3.1% Maybe

Randar68
10-13-2005, 02:01 PM
I saw this too, and wanted to post, but chose not too. Now that Fenway has presented us the results, i just want to point out HOW RIDICULOUS this survey is, with the dumbest question being...


If Doug Eddings had called A.J. Pierzynski out, who would have eventually won the game? (32,809 votes)
54.3% Los Angeles Angels
45.7% Chicago White Sox

Please.

This alone says all you need to know about the validity of the public's judgement of an actual baseball call/rule...


Who is most to blame for the controversial ending? (32,809 votes)
64.8% Doug Eddings for the call
32.5% Josh Paul for not tagging Pierzynski
2.7% A.J. Pierzynski for running

Iwritecode
10-13-2005, 02:02 PM
Let's keep the insanity rollin'

If Steve Bartman had not interfered with Moises Alou who would have eventually won the 2003 NCLS? (55,809 votes)
88.3% Chicago Cubs
11.7% Florida Marlins


If your aunt had balls would she technically be your uncle? (82,849 votes)
93.2% Yes
3.7% No
3.1% Maybe

:rolling:

Ol' No. 2
10-13-2005, 02:03 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation/story?page=thepulsealcs2

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935 Middle St, Bristol, CT
(860) 766-2000



Do you think Angels catcher Josh Paul caught the ball cleanly on A.J. Pierzynski's third strike? (32,809 votes)
77.2% Yes
22.8% No




How did you interpret umpire Doug Eddings' gestures after the pitch? (32,809 votes)
72.8% Batter was out
21.3% Pitch was a strike
5.9% Ball was still live





How does this call rate among questionable calls in postseason plays? (32,809 votes)
53.0% One of the 10 worst
22.6% Bad but not historic
13.9% The worst of all time
10.5% I thought he called it correctly





Should Eddings be disciplined for the call? (32,809 votes)
56.7% Yes
43.3% No





Who is most to blame for the controversial ending? (32,809 votes)
64.8% Doug Eddings for the call
32.5% Josh Paul for not tagging Pierzynski
2.7% A.J. Pierzynski for running





Who is most to blame for the Angels losing Game 2 of the ALCS? (7,147 votes)
56.2% Doug Eddings (umpire)
31.1% Josh Paul (didn't tag hitter)
7.6% Vladimir Guerrero (0-4, 2 LOB)
4.8% Kelvim Escobar (losing pitcher)





If Doug Eddings had called A.J. Pierzynski out, who would have eventually won the game? (32,809 votes)
54.3% Los Angeles Angels
45.7% Chicago White Sox





Which team will win the series?
55.1 Los Angeles Angels
44.9 Chicago White Sox





If the Angels had won Game 2, which team would you have picked to win the series?
88.2 Los Angeles Angels
11.8 Chicago White Sox


Click here to vote on the controversial ending (http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation/polling?event_id=1698)They left out the most important question:

If Josh Paul had had the sense to tag Pierzynski out instead of throwing the ball to the mound, would we even be talking about this?

12.1 Yes
14.4 No
73.5 Who's Pierzynski?

Fenway
10-13-2005, 02:03 PM
2.7% A.J. Pierzynski for running

That would be the followers of the AAA club that plays on Addison

scottjanssens
10-13-2005, 02:05 PM
That would be the followers of the AAA club that plays on Addison

Or former Giant teammates

cheeses_h_rice
10-13-2005, 02:05 PM
Let's keep the insanity rollin'

If Steve Bartman had not interfered with Moises Alou who would have eventually won the 2003 NCLS? (55,809 votes)
88.3% Chicago Cubs
11.7% Florida Marlins


If your aunt had balls would she technically be your uncle? (82,849 votes)
93.2% Yes
3.7% No
3.1% Maybe

Post of the ****ing week!

:thumbsup:

ode to veeck
10-13-2005, 04:36 PM
How much credence do you give to stupid espn polls?

15% I manage my stock portfolio based on the results
20% I head to the dugout for two steps then turn around and run to 1st base
50% I pay absolutely no attention to such nonsense
15% I print them out and use them in case we run out of toilet paper

Settembrini
10-13-2005, 04:41 PM
At least Neyer got it right:


"Just a few points about this latest rhubarb...


Typically, if the ball is anywhere near the dirt, the catcher will go ahead and tag the batter just to eliminate any doubt.

Kelvim Escobar (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5841)'s third pitch to Joe Crede (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6411) was a Hit Me! splitter, just about the worst 0-and-2 pitch you'll ever see.

And if the game had gone to extra innings, the White Sox would have been significantly better off because the Angels had used three of their best relievers while the White Sox hadn't used any relievers at all. All of which is to say that the Angels wouldn't necessarily have won, even if the umpire had made the tough call correctly and even if the catcher had done what catchers usually do. And as bad as things might seem for the Angels this morning, the odds are greatly against that single moment making the difference in this series. "

RKMeibalane
10-13-2005, 04:42 PM
Guess what, Fenway?

WE DON'T CARE!

XplodingScorbord
10-13-2005, 04:49 PM
If Steve Bartman had not interfered with Moises Alou who would have eventually won the 2003 NCLS? (55,809 votes)
88.3% Chicago Cubs
11.7% Florida Marlins


If your aunt had balls would she technically be your uncle? (82,849 votes)
93.2% Yes
3.7% No
3.1% Maybe

Post of the ****ing week!

:thumbsup:

Are you kidding? Post of the month! I whole lot of heads turned at work when I burst out laughing.

rm0824
10-13-2005, 04:56 PM
Are you kidding me? This was the dumbest question:

Who is most to blame for the Angels losing Game 2 of the ALCS? (7,147 votes)
56.2% Doug Eddings (umpire)
31.1% Josh Paul (didn't tag hitter)
7.6% Vladimir Guerrero (0-4, 2 LOB)
4.8% Kelvim Escobar (losing pitcher)

What the F does Vlad have to do with any of this? This poll reeks of Angel bias. It just sickening.

mcp5185
10-13-2005, 08:33 PM
Are you kidding me? This was the dumbest question:

Who is most to blame for the Angels losing Game 2 of the ALCS? (7,147 votes)
56.2% Doug Eddings (umpire)
31.1% Josh Paul (didn't tag hitter)
7.6% Vladimir Guerrero (0-4, 2 LOB)
4.8% Kelvim Escobar (losing pitcher)

What the F does Vlad have to do with any of this? This poll reeks of Angel bias. It just sickening.

Yea, no mention of any Sox Player. What about Crede the guy who actually won the game?

Cambridge
10-13-2005, 08:40 PM
Guess what, Fenway?

WE DON'T CARE!

Judging by number of threads and posts addressing the subject, I'm nominating the above as possibly the most inaccurate post made in the history of this website. :?:

SOXSINCE'70
10-13-2005, 08:40 PM
At least Neyer got it right:


"Just a few points about this latest rhubarb...


Typically, if the ball is anywhere near the dirt, the catcher will go ahead and tag the batter just to eliminate any doubt.

Kelvim Escobar (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5841)'s third pitch to Joe Crede (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6411) was a Hit Me! splitter, just about the worst 0-and-2 pitch you'll ever see.

And if the game had gone to extra innings, the White Sox would have been significantly better off because the Angels had used three of their best relievers while the White Sox hadn't used any relievers at all. All of which is to say that the Angels wouldn't necessarily have won, even if the umpire had made the tough call correctly and even if the catcher had done what catchers usually do. And as bad as things might seem for the Angels this morning, the odds are greatly against that single moment making the difference in this series. "

Logic?!?!? On the 4 letter sports network?!?!?
I can't believe it.Neyer may be the only national
mediot outside of Chicago to get it right.I stand
corrected;I heard Rex Hudler on MJH today.
He made it a point to emphasise point # 2 about
the horrible pitch Escobar threw to Crede on an 0-2
count.Thanks for the room serivce splitter.:D: :D:

dropkick371
10-13-2005, 08:50 PM
I saw this too, and wanted to post, but chose not too. Now that Fenway has presented us the results, i just want to point out HOW RIDICULOUS this survey is, with the dumbest question being...


If Doug Eddings had called A.J. Pierzynski out, who would have eventually won the game? (32,809 votes)
54.3% Los Angeles Angels
45.7% Chicago White Sox

Please.I actually didn't mind that. It's more or less 50:50, and it does say "eventually", which at least recognizes that Pierzynski's out would have lead to extra innings, not an Angels win. This'd be more ridiculous if it was something to the tune of 75:25.

Frankfan4life
10-13-2005, 09:00 PM
Yea, no mention of any Sox Player. What about Crede the guy who actually won the game?No one mentions that Mark Buehrle also played a small role in the victory. The fact that Buehrle dominatedtheAngels hitters must have been much too insignificant a detail to mention.

Jurr
10-13-2005, 09:52 PM
They left out the most important question:

If Josh Paul had had the sense to tag Pierzynski out instead of throwing the ball to the mound, would we even be talking about this?

12.1 Yes
14.4 No
73.5 Who's Pierzynski?

:tongue:
Good stuff. I'll tell you what I love about all of this.

In January and February, I sat at the computer and traded thoughts about acquiring guys such as Matt Clement and Omar Vizquel. I celebrated picking up good players with you guys. I used to bitch about Billy Koch with you guys. And now we're talking about a play that AJ Pierzynski made that tied up the mother ****ing ALCS!!!!!!! Can I get a WOW?????

Jurr
10-13-2005, 10:02 PM
No one mentions that Mark Buehrle also played a small role in the victory. The fact that Buehrle dominatedtheAngels hitters must have been much too insignificant a detail to mention.
Ohhhh...NOOOOOO!!!
You cannot mention anything else as being significant in this game. That would tarnish the "game for the ages" mantle they'll be handing this one. The only thing that was "for the ages" was the pitching performances both teams put up.

Brian26
10-13-2005, 11:16 PM
Guess what, Fenway?

WE DON'T CARE!

Fenway seems to be stirring the pot as much as possible.

Brian26
10-13-2005, 11:17 PM
Judging by number of threads and posts addressing the subject, I'm nominating the above as possibly the most inaccurate post made in the history of this website. :?:

Make sense of it all for us, Theo.

Iwritecode
10-13-2005, 11:54 PM
Judging by number of threads and posts addressing the subject, I'm nominating the above as possibly the most inaccurate post made in the history of this website. :?:

Not really. We'll debate the play amongst ourselves until we're blue in the face.
We just don't care what everyone else thinks.

Especially ESPN...

FarWestChicago
10-14-2005, 12:02 AM
Not really. We'll debate the play amongst ourselves until we're blue in the face.
We just don't care what everyone else thinks.

Especially ESPN...Exactly. :cool:

LuvSox
10-14-2005, 12:18 AM
:tongue:
Good stuff. I'll tell you what I love about all of this.

In January and February, I sat at the computer and traded thoughts about acquiring guys such as Matt Clement and Omar Vizquel. I celebrated picking up good players with you guys. I used to bitch about Billy Koch with you guys. And now we're talking about a play that AJ Pierzynski made that tied up the mother ****ing ALCS!!!!!!! Can I get a WOW?????

I'm sure it's been said before, but..........great play by AJ!!!!!!

Remember this team, cherish this year everybody. There are some great guys here.