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maurice
10-13-2005, 11:42 AM
From today's Sun-Times: (http://www.suntimes.com/output/sox/cst-nws-soxdaley13.html)The mayor categorically denied that crime or the absence of nightlife around the ballpark has hurt.... "I don't think that has anything to do with it. Crime is lower than any other area of the city.... Look at it...."

Clembasbal
10-13-2005, 03:35 PM
The mayor categorically denied that crime or the absence of nightlife around the ballpark has hurt.... "I don't think that has anything to do with it. Crime is lower than any other area of the city.... Look at it...." What is also GREAT was at about 7:15 PM before the game a commercial came on for the FOX news, after the game. In which this statement was made, "And then we'll tell you what technology is being used to keep fans safe by U.S. Cellular Field." And they showed a picture of something that looked like the city cameras Chicago puts up to prevent drug dealing. The really really irked me!

Fenway
10-13-2005, 03:45 PM
It is probably the best patrolled area in the city 24 hours a day (35th st)

4 blocks west you have the Deering station and HEADQUARTERS is a few blocks to the east at Michigan

people want bars walk to 31st st or over to Halstead geeze

LuvSox
10-14-2005, 01:11 AM
What is also GREAT was at about 7:15 PM before the game a commercial came on for the FOX news, after the game. In which this statement was made, "And then we'll tell you what technology is being used to keep fans safe by U.S. Cellular Field." And they showed a picture of something that looked like the city cameras Chicago puts up to prevent drug dealing. The really really irked me!

Really though, who cares? All of us know what is going on. Do we want bandwagoneers or Wrigley fans taking up our seats? HELL NO!

If you're afraid of the neighborhood, stay out of the neighborhood. Leave the intelligent Sox fans alone. We know it's safe.

Stroker Ace
10-14-2005, 01:19 AM
Really though, who cares? All of us know what is going on. Do we want bandwagoneers or Wrigley fans taking up our seats? HELL NO!

If you're afraid of the neighborhood, stay out of the neighborhood. Leave the intelligent Sox fans alone. We know it's safe.Yeah, If you believe everything the sports media says, then you should stay out. There's a place for people like them, and it's called wrigley field!

DrCrawdad
10-14-2005, 07:30 AM
So, here are the facts of crime 1/4 mile around each park, from 7/8-9/15, 2005:

TOTAL CRIMES:
Wrigley 166, The Cell 53

BATTERY:
Wrigley 23, The Cell 12

ROBBERY:
Wrigley 8, The Cell 2

CRIMINAL SEXUAL ASSAULT:
Wrigley 1, The Cell 0

ASSAULT:
Wrigley 8, The Cell 0

WEAPONS VIOLATIONS:
Wrigley 1, The Cell 0

SEX OFFENSE:
Wrigley 3, The Cell 0

http://12.17.79.6/ctznicam/ctznicam.asp

EDIT:
Note that the I used intersections to obtain the above stats. The intersections used were:

Wrigley: Clark & Addison
The Cell: 35th & Shields

Ol' No. 2
10-14-2005, 10:02 AM
So, here are the facts of crime 1/4 mile around each park, from 7/8-9/15, 2005:

TOTAL CRIMES:
Wrigley 166, The Cell 53

BATTERY:
Wrigley 23, The Cell 12

ROBBERY:
Wrigley 8, The Cell 2

CRIMINAL SEXUAL ASSAULT:
Wrigley 1, The Cell 0

ASSAULT:
Wrigley 8, The Cell 0

WEAPONS VIOLATIONS:
Wrigley 1, The Cell 0

SEX OFFENSE:
Wrigley 3, The Cell 0

http://12.17.79.6/ctznicam/ctznicam.asp:knue I think you've got things confused. Those crimes happened in Lakeview. Nothing bad ever happens in Wrigleyville.

Clembasbal
10-14-2005, 10:52 AM
Really though, who cares? All of us know what is going on. Do we want bandwagoneers or Wrigley fans taking up our seats? HELL NO!

If you're afraid of the neighborhood, stay out of the neighborhood. Leave the intelligent Sox fans alone. We know it's safe.

I could care less as well, but I just thought that it was stupid is all.

eriqjaffe
10-14-2005, 11:11 AM
So, here are the facts of crime 1/4 mile around each park, from 7/8-9/15, 2005:

TOTAL CRIMES:
Wrigley 166, The Cell 53

BATTERY:
Wrigley 23, The Cell 12

ROBBERY:
Wrigley 8, The Cell 2

CRIMINAL SEXUAL ASSAULT:
Wrigley 1, The Cell 0

ASSAULT:
Wrigley 8, The Cell 0

WEAPONS VIOLATIONS:
Wrigley 1, The Cell 0

SEX OFFENSE:
Wrigley 3, The Cell 0

http://12.17.79.6/ctznicam/ctznicam.asp

EDIT:
Note that the I used intersections to obtain the above stats. The intersections used were:

Wrigley: Clark & Addison
The Cell: 35th & ShieldsBut that's skewed because there are so many more people within 1/4 mile of Wrigley!

itsnotrequired
10-14-2005, 11:40 AM
But that's skewed because there are so many more people within 1/4 mile of Wrigley!

There is something to be said about the density. More people is obviously going to result in more crime. I mean, a quarter of a mile away from the Cell and you are still in a parking lot.

That being said, you can take the whole neighborhood of Bridgeport and it is still less than around Wrigley. This assumes a 1 mile radius around 33rd and Halsted and only a half mile radius around Wrilgey.

DrCrawdad
10-14-2005, 12:54 PM
There is something to be said about the density. More people is obviously going to result in more crime. I mean, a quarter of a mile away from the Cell and you are still in a parking lot.

That being said, you can take the whole neighborhood of Bridgeport and it is still less than around Wrigley. This assumes a 1 mile radius around 33rd and Halsted and only a half mile radius around Wrilgey.

I had this stupid debate with a Cub fan recently about the saftey around the Cell. The Cubbie fan stated that the Cell is dangerous. It's not safe, they said.

I culled the data. I used 1/4 mile radius, because in going to a game at the Cell people usually don't walk a mile, or a 1/2 a mile. In general most people park in a lot then walk in, well within a 1/4 mile radius.

Clearly, detractors of the Cell love to use stats that include areas east of the Cell and to the south, in spite of the fact that virtually no one going to a Sox game parks a mile east or south of the Cell. Using those figures is done to intentionally skew the crime stats. A mile west or south of the Cell is no barometer on the safety or danger of the Cell.

ewokpelts
10-14-2005, 01:51 PM
I had this stupid debate with a Cub fan recently about the saftey around the Cell. The Cubbie fan stated that the Cell is dangerous. It's not safe, they said.

I culled the data. I used 1/4 mile radius, because in going to a game at the Cell people usually don't walk a mile, or a 1/2 a mile. In general most people park in a lot then walk in, well within a 1/4 mile radius.

Clearly, detractors of the Cell love to use stats that include areas east of the Cell and to the south, in spite of the fact that virtually no one going to a Sox game parks a mile east or south of the Cell. Using those figures is done to intentionally skew the crime stats. A mile west or south of the Cell is no barometer on the safety or danger of the Cell.
The whole"comiskey is in a bad neighborhood" theory is all about this one little fact: black people live closer to the cell than they do to wrigley. But even that theory is debunked. There are some pretty horrible neighborhoods a mile or so north of the shrine(uptown anyone?) I've been to canaryville(3/4 of a mile due south of the cell) and it's nowhere NEAR uptown (and this is with uptown being "redeveolped").
Cub fans dont like to use facts. If they did, they'd realize that Bridgeport is one of the most expensive RESIDENTIAL neighborhoods in the city(seems the people living there dont want too much nightlife, since they like to sleep), and that it's expanding RAPIDLY(so i guess people actually do want to live there). They'd also find out that Bronzeville isnt as bad as they think, and that living by black people isnt going to kill you.
Gene

p.s. did you even notice that more bums/ticket scalpers/low lifes surround wrigley than the cell?

SouthSide_HitMen
10-14-2005, 02:03 PM
But that's skewed because there are so many more people within 1/4 mile of Wrigley!

Actually that is a valid point. However - both neighboorhoods are safe and the clueless media who perpetuates the myth of the terrible Comiskey Park neighborhood are off base as usual. I think they carry a grudge when one of their own was pummelled at Jimbos a few years back but most is due to plain ignorance, which if you haven't noticed, is rampant in the MSM.

Fenway
10-14-2005, 02:05 PM
The whole"comiskey is in a bad neighborhood" theory is all about this one little fact: black people live closer to the cell than they do to wrigley. But even that theory is debunked. There are some pretty horrible neighborhoods a mile or so north of the shrine(uptown anyone?)

Uptown is a diverse (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diverse) neighborhood (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neighborhood) located north of Chicago (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago)'s downtown (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downtown). Being one of Chicago (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago)ís 77 community areas, Uptown has officially defined boundaries. They are: Foster on the north; Lake Michigan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Michigan) on the east; Montrose (Ravenswood to Clark), and Irving Park (Clark to Lake Michigan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Michigan)) on the south; Ravenswood (Foster to Montrose), and Clark (Montrose to Irving Park) on the west. Uptown borders three community areas and Lake Michigan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Michigan). To the north is Edgewater, to the west is Lincoln Square, and to the south is Lake View.

Uptown has a dual meaning, it can either represent the neighborhood or the community area. Many who live in the community area do not consider their neighborhood to be Uptown. Examples include the low-density neighborhood of Buena Park on the southeast, and Sheridan Park on the west, which "feels" more like the adjacent Ravenswood.

The historical, cultural, and commercial center of Uptown is Broadway. In 1900 the Northwestern Elevated Railroad constructed its terminal near Montrose and Broadway (now part of the CTA Red Line (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Line_%28Chicago_Transit_Authority%29)). This may be where the neighborhood gets its name since it was the terminal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_station) of the rail line that led north from the center of the city. For a time, all northbound trains from downtown ended in Uptown. From here Uptown became known as an entertainment destination. The Aragon Ballroom, Riviera Theater, Uptown Theater, and Green Mill are all located within a half block of Lawrence and Broadway. Uptown is also home to one of Chicago's most celebrated final resting spots, Graceland Cemetery (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graceland_Cemetery).

Uptown is currently gentrifying (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentrification) and the future of its most noticeable characteristic, diversity, is in question.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uptown,_Chicago

maurice
10-14-2005, 02:11 PM
p.s. did you even notice that more bums/[]/low lifes surround wrigley than the cell?

The PC term for these people is "cub fans." :cool:

:woo-woo
"Bums, Woo! Lowlifes, Woo!"

Fenway
10-14-2005, 02:16 PM
p.s. did you even notice that more bums/ticket scalpers/low lifes surround wrigley than the cell?

Hey no woo for you!!!!!! :angry:
http://ronniewoowoo.com/images/fun-horse.jpg