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cheeses_h_rice
10-13-2005, 11:38 AM
If the Sox can win the series 4-1 or 4-2, they can render the entire dropped third strike controversy moot. Otherwise...let the screeching begin.

I hope that serves as motivation for the team out west. Take 2 of 3 out west, and finish 'em off in Game 6 here.

34 Inch Stick
10-13-2005, 11:48 AM
I like the Sox chance in games 4 and 5. I think we have a problem in game 3. I don't see any way this will not come back to Chicago for a game 6 in which Buhrle gets to pitch against Washburn again.

TDog
10-13-2005, 11:50 AM
I'll trade umpires making years of bad calls on Joe Crede (a "foul" home run, a pop out after getting hit with a pitch, etc.) for a "controversial" American League championship.

Fenway
10-13-2005, 12:17 PM
What is sad is that call will forever tarnish what was a great game.

BTW ask yourselves this question

How would you feel if Anaheim won like that?



This is not playing well back east

a sample

DAN SHAUGHNESSY (http://www.boston.com/sports/columnists/shaughnessy/)
Ruling a black mark (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/articles/2005/10/13/ruling_a_black_mark_for_game)

As bad as it gets. Hang your head, Major League Baseball. That means you, Bud. And all you umpires -- Doug Eddings, Ted Barrett, Ron Kulpa, Ed Rapuano, Randy Marsh, and crew chief Jerry Crawford. You stole a playoff game from the Los Angeles Angels last night.
Striking outcome (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/articles/2005/10/13/striking_outcome)

The ninth inning was over. And then it wasn't. And then Joe Crede gave the White Sox what is sure to go down as one of the most disputed victories in history. (By Gordon Edes, Today's Globe)

NY Daily News
This flavor leaves a bad taste for Angels
John Harper: Without the Yankees, without the Red Sox, this ALCS needed something to give it some flavor. Controversy took care of that last night, as the White Sox benefited from an umpire's call that surely will be debated for days - no doubt longer in southern California if the Angels lose this series.
FULL STORY (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/story/355345p-302833c.html)

Ump drops the
ball on Halos
Josh Paul felt the ball in his mitt, took it out and rolled it toward the mound, thinking the ninth inning was over. He turned and began moving toward the Angels' dugout, and, in that moment, the AL Championship Series got weird.
FULL STORY (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/story/355344p-302829c.html)

Washington Post
White Sox Whiff, Win (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/12/AR2005101200322.html)

Given a second chance on a controversial call in the bottom of the ninth, the White Sox take advantage and even the ALCS against the Angels with a 2-1 win.

Boston Herald
White Sox catch a break -- Knot series on gift call (http://redsox.bostonherald.com/otherMLB/view.bg?articleid=106834)
By Jeff Horrigan
CHICAGO Last October, the wisdom and judgment of Major League Baseball umpires to overturn a pair of mistaken calls in Game 6 of the American League Championship Series at Yankee Stadium played a major role in the Red Sox completing the greatest... [more (http://redsox.bostonherald.com/otherMLB/view.bg?articleid=106834)]

This loss unearned (http://redsox.bostonherald.com/otherMLB/view.bg?articleid=106837)
By Jeff Horrigan/ Notebook


CHICAGO The Chicago White Sox may feel that they earned a 2-1 victory last night at U.S. Cellular Field, but the Los Angeles... [more (http://redsox.bostonherald.com/otherMLB/view.bg?articleid=106837)]

cheeses_h_rice
10-13-2005, 12:20 PM
Fenway, I admit, I'd be livid.

But at the same time, I'd hold our catcher responsible for not applying the safety tag. I'd hold our pitcher and catcher responsible for allowing the pinch runner to steal second base so effortlessly. And I'd hold our pitcher responsible for serving up a meatball on a silver platter to a great fastball hitter on an 0-2 count.

That one play was not the game. No one knows if the Angels would have won the game in extra innings.

CaptainBallz
10-13-2005, 12:23 PM
Ruling a black mark (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/articles/2005/10/13/ruling_a_black_mark_for_game)

As bad as it gets. Hang your head, Major League Baseball. That means you, Bud. And all you umpires -- Doug Eddings, Ted Barrett, Ron Kulpa, Ed Rapuano, Randy Marsh, and crew chief Jerry Crawford. You stole a playoff game from the Los Angeles Angels last night.




Because there's NO WAY Angels lose in extra innings!!

:booty:

Fenway
10-13-2005, 12:25 PM
Fenway, I admit, I'd be livid.


That one play was not the game. No one knows if the Angels would have won the game in extra innings.

True

Maybe some good will come from this. Some umpires tried to be the second coming of Ron Luciano with they way they call ball and strikes. Have a uniform system

seanpmurphy
10-13-2005, 12:25 PM
Fenway, I admit, I'd be livid.

But at the same time, I'd hold our catcher responsible for not applying the safety tag. I'd hold our pitcher and catcher responsible for allowing the pinch runner to steal second base so effortlessly. And I'd hold our pitcher responsible for serving up a meatball on a silver platter to a great fastball hitter on an 0-2 count.

That one play was not the game. No one knows if the Angels would have won the game in extra innings.

Damn right. The game wasn't won on that play. It was won on everything you just said. Throw Ozuna out? Maybe? Whatever. Angels collapsed obviously and let's hope the Sox steam roll on the West Coast.

Plus, after this incident the new Angels in the Outfield movie is going to have the Sox as a bunch of :dtroll: Ha!

Hokiesox
10-13-2005, 12:26 PM
Here's what everyone out east has been doing today...:whiner::whiner::whiner:

batmanZoSo
10-13-2005, 12:28 PM
If the Sox can win the series 4-1 or 4-2, they can render the entire dropped third strike controversy moot. Otherwise...let the screeching begin.

I hope that serves as motivation for the team out west. Take 2 of 3 out west, and finish 'em off in Game 6 here.

I'm really hoping for taking the next two and getting a 3-1 lead, which, provided your name isn't "cubs," means you've pretty much locked up the series. Then we can either finish them off out west or come back and do it in game 6 at home. Or, if needed (and hopefully not), game 7 at home.

ode to veeck
10-13-2005, 12:29 PM
What is sad is that call will forever tarnish what was a great game.


Only by those that let it. The rest of the intelligent part of baseball and its fandom will not, Scioscia included, who already demonstrated he's not that dumb in how he handled the post game (his only dumb move was having Josh Paul catching in a tie ALCS game).

As for me, it was GREAT to see Burly-Mon in one of the greatest playoff pitching performances ever, then Joe Crede ripping a hanging breaking ball to win the game off Escobar, the toughest closer in the game for the last two months.

If it was us instead, I'd be pissed at the catcher who blew the easy play and be greatly dissapointed the upstoppable stopper blew the save.

seanpmurphy
10-13-2005, 12:32 PM
As for me, it was GREAT to see Burly-Mon in one of the greatest playoff pitching performances ever, then Joe Crede ripping a hanging breaking ball to win the game off Escobar, the toughest closer in the game for the last two months.

I thought Francisco Rodriguez was the closer...?

spiffie
10-13-2005, 12:32 PM
Funny how the East Coast never seemed this bothered by Jeffrey Maier's blatant interference that stole a game for the Yankees. Apparently that was different than a disputed borderline call where a player should have made the extra effort needed to ensure the inning was over in a tied ball game. The hell with all of them. If this year has done anything it's to really make the bunker mentality seem sensible...there are White Sox fans, and then there's everyone else, and everyone else can go straight to hell.

batmanZoSo
10-13-2005, 12:33 PM
I thought Francisco Rodriguez was the closer...?

He wasn't in there because it wasn't a save situation.

crazyozzie02
10-13-2005, 12:34 PM
No to be a downer or anything, but who is to say that the angels would have won the game in extras. In the article on the the angels website, it said that the team was mad, but they will get over it. They go on to say that things like this happen. (aka Pay-rod trying to cheat in the ALCS last year)

Colin

crazyozzie02
10-13-2005, 12:35 PM
Funny how the East Coast never seemed this bothered by Jeffrey Maier's blatant interference that stole a game for the Yankees. Apparently that was different than a disputed borderline call where a player should have made the extra effort needed to ensure the inning was over in a tied ball game. The hell with all of them. If this year has done anything it's to really make the bunker mentality seem sensible...there are White Sox fans, and then there's everyone else, and everyone else can go straight to hell.

Amen Brother. A freaking Men!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D: :D: :D: :D:

seanpmurphy
10-13-2005, 12:38 PM
He wasn't in there because it wasn't a save situation.

Ya dude, but he was saying Escobar has been the Angels' closer for the last 2 months.

WSoxFanForever
10-13-2005, 12:38 PM
We've had so many calls go against us and the entire sports world disrespecting us. I can take a little more if we win the WS. The Angels got many cheap calls from the umps in the Yank series and I didn't see them begging to give the Yanks another chance.

BeviBall!
10-13-2005, 12:38 PM
Why are people out East even watching baseball?

That play DID NOT end the game. Why does Escobar get a free pass for serving up an 0-2 meatball to a .240 hitter?

ode to veeck
10-13-2005, 12:39 PM
from fenway's NY Daily News link
"There's a lot of focus on that play, but we didn't play to a high enough level to win," Scioscia said. "That's the bottom line. If there's a call you don't get or something happens, a bloop, whatever it might be, you have to play at a high enough level that you can absorb it."


Obviously, Scioscia's not going to make that mistake.

34 Inch Stick
10-13-2005, 12:40 PM
NY Daily News
This flavor leaves a bad taste for Angels
John Harper: Without the Yankees, without the Red Sox, this ALCS needed something to give it some flavor. Controversy took care of that last night, as the White Sox benefited from an umpire's call that surely will be debated for days - no doubt longer in southern California if the Angels lose this series.
FULL STORY (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/story/355345p-302833c.html)



I think this one says it all. I'm suprised they even send someone to cover the games.

seanpmurphy
10-13-2005, 12:42 PM
http://www.geocities.com/sickboymurphy/pics/out1my.jpg

Let's put 'em away Sox.

mccoydp
10-13-2005, 12:42 PM
I thought the Yankmees, the Blow-Sawx, and the east coast media (to include ESPN) were still crying over the Sox and the Angels playing in the ALCS...I had no idea any of them even watched the game last night.

Fenway
10-13-2005, 12:43 PM
ummm the fact that we still remember that little punks name says otherwise

BaseballYanks catch break on game-tying HR (http://docs.newsbank.com/openurl?ctx_ver=z39.88-2004&rft_id=info:sid/iw.newsbank.com:NewsBank:BNHB&rft_val_format=info:ofi/fmt:kev:mtx:ctx&rft_dat=100AE7712D081E5B&svc_dat=InfoWeb:aggregated4&req_dat=0F4281F45DEEBE2F)
NY YANKS IT AWAY FROM ORIOLES (http://docs.newsbank.com/openurl?ctx_ver=z39.88-2004&rft_id=info:sid/iw.newsbank.com:NewsBank:BGBK&rft_val_format=info:ofi/fmt:kev:mtx:ctx&rft_dat=0EADDC6DC2B67215&svc_dat=InfoWeb:aggregated4&req_dat=0F4281F45DEEBE2F)





Funny how the East Coast never seemed this bothered by Jeffrey Maier's blatant interference that stole a game for the Yankees. Apparently that was different than a disputed borderline call where a player should have made the extra effort needed to ensure the inning was over in a tied ball game. The hell with all of them. If this year has done anything it's to really make the bunker mentality seem sensible...there are White Sox fans, and then there's everyone else, and everyone else can go straight to hell.

FoulkeFan
10-13-2005, 12:44 PM
If the Angels had won on that same play, I would've said that the Sox lost the game when Cora sent Rowand home in the second inning. And then I would've said when you've got a guy (Crede) 0-2 with 2 outs, you don't throw him anything remotely close to the plate. And then I would've said that the team's biggest hitters (Guerrero, Molina, Anderson) were up in the top of the 9th and they all popped out. And then I would've said why didn't the catcher just tag him anywyay. And then I would've said....

In these close games, you can analyze every play and call to death. In the end, you have to make the plays and the Sox did that yesterday.

oeo
10-13-2005, 12:45 PM
How do you "steal" a playoff game? Pablo Ozuna stole second and Crede crushed an 0-2 cookie...that's stealing a game? You have to endure mistakes, whether your own or the umpires. Screw the East coast media...what the hell do they know?

Fenway
10-13-2005, 12:48 PM
Oakland Tribune has a name for it :?:

The 2005 Gold Sox scandal? (http://www.insidebayarea.com/sports/ci_3111274)CHICAGO The ninth inning was over. And then it wasn't. And then Joe Crede gave the White Sox what is sure to go down as one of the most disputed victories in playoff history.

San Francisco Chronicle
Sox Catch A Break (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2005/10/13/SPG6LF7M6K1.DTL)
Disputed call in the bottom of the 9th leads to an RBI double that wins the game.

Minneapolis Star-Tribune
ALCS: White Sox 2, Angels 1 (http://www.startribune.com/stories/509/5666330.html)Published 10/13/2005 - 6:01 AM

The American League Championship Series took a dramatic turn Wednesday night with one of the most bizarre ninth-inning plays imaginable: a strikeout by A.J. Pierzynski that led to the winning run for his Chicago White Sox.

seanpmurphy
10-13-2005, 12:49 PM
Whatever happened to the "We Don't Care" mentality? :?:

batmanZoSo
10-13-2005, 12:49 PM
Ya dude, but he was saying Escobar has been the Angels' closer for the last 2 months.

Nnnnnnnevermind then.

Iwritecode
10-13-2005, 12:49 PM
Because there's NO WAY Angels lose in extra innings!!

:booty:

Actually the Angels should almost be thankful that the game ended in regulation. That bullpen of theirs has been used an awful lot the past few days (IIRC K-Rod has been used 3 straight days) while the Sox bullpen has pitched maybe 2-3 innings total in the past week.

With Burly ready to go out for the 10th, the game might have lasted another 9 innings...

Iwritecode
10-13-2005, 12:51 PM
I thought the Yankmees, the Blow-Sawx, and the east coast media (to include ESPN) were still crying over the Sox and the Angels playing in the ALCS...

They are.

Johnny Mostil
10-13-2005, 12:53 PM
ummm the fact that we still remember that little punks name says otherwise

BaseballYanks catch break on game-tying HR (http://docs.newsbank.com/openurl?ctx_ver=z39.88-2004&rft_id=info:sid/iw.newsbank.com:NewsBank:BNHB&rft_val_format=info:ofi/fmt:kev:mtx:ctx&rft_dat=100AE7712D081E5B&svc_dat=InfoWeb:aggregated4&req_dat=0F4281F45DEEBE2F)
NY YANKS IT AWAY FROM ORIOLES (http://docs.newsbank.com/openurl?ctx_ver=z39.88-2004&rft_id=info:sid/iw.newsbank.com:NewsBank:BGBK&rft_val_format=info:ofi/fmt:kev:mtx:ctx&rft_dat=0EADDC6DC2B67215&svc_dat=InfoWeb:aggregated4&req_dat=0F4281F45DEEBE2F)

Meh. I find it hard to blame a 4-1 Series outcome on that call. Heck, I even find it hard to blame the '85 World Series outcome on the Denkinger call. Or the '75 World Series on the Armbrister interference. Or the ultimate--and still unknown--outcome of this young series on the call last night. Stuff happens . . .

Iwritecode
10-13-2005, 12:54 PM
ummm the fact that we still remember that little punks name says otherwise

I wouldn't have remembered his name had somebody not brought it up.

I didn't know how much the east coast papers covered it because I DIDN'T CARE! I don't see why anyone over there cares what happens to us now. They sure haven't all season long. Why start now?

Did they do the same thing for the Bartman fiasco?

Fenway
10-13-2005, 12:54 PM
"I feel for them because there's no question it was a screwed-up thing," Sox first baseman Paul Konerko said. "We look at it as kind of a freebie."

http://www.sptimes.com/2005/10/13/Sports/ALCS__Third_out_doesn.shtml

http://www.sptimes.com/2005/10/13/images/angels-300.jpg

Johnny Mostil
10-13-2005, 12:55 PM
http://www.sptimes.com/2005/10/13/Sports/ALCS__Third_out_doesn.shtml

http://www.sptimes.com/2005/10/13/images/angels-300.jpg

Konerko doesn't know when to shut up, does he?

GoGoGoGo
10-13-2005, 12:58 PM
Konerko doesn't know when to shut up, does he?

Sometimes, athletes could take a page from politicians. If I were asked questions, I would just repeat over and over..."hell of a hit on 0-2 by Crede, eh?" or "how about the jump Pablo got?"

Johnny Mostil
10-13-2005, 01:00 PM
Sometimes, athletes could take a page from politicians. If I were asked questions, I would just repeat over and over..."hell of a hit on 0-2 by Crede, eh?" or "how about the jump Pablo got?"

Yep. Or he could even just watch Bull Durham with Crash Davis instruct Nuke LaLoosh in the final points on interviewing . . .

FJA
10-13-2005, 01:34 PM
Speaking objectively, I do not think the call was a good one, especially given the situation (bottom of the 9th, two outs, tie game).

But you know what? Stuff happens in playoff baseball, and if you can't regain your composure, you probably deserve to lose. We'd never be talking about this call if Josh Paul bothers to make a good throw to 2nd or Escobar doesn't resort to batting practice on 0-2.

Baseball is a game of mistakes and the winner is almost always the one who takes advantage.

Fenway
10-13-2005, 01:56 PM
I thought the Yankmees, the Blow-Sawx, and the east coast media (to include ESPN) were still crying over the Sox and the Angels playing in the ALCS...I had no idea any of them even watched the game last night.

At least the east coast media still cares about baseball

It is the one thing I could never understand about Chicago, how both papers are just plain awful covering sports. If you want to see a great sports section, get The Dallas News, it maybe the best in the country.

spiffie
10-13-2005, 02:05 PM
ummm the fact that we still remember that little punks name says otherwise

BaseballYanks catch break on game-tying HR (http://docs.newsbank.com/openurl?ctx_ver=z39.88-2004&rft_id=info:sid/iw.newsbank.com:NewsBank:BNHB&rft_val_format=info:ofi/fmt:kev:mtx:ctx&rft_dat=100AE7712D081E5B&svc_dat=InfoWeb:aggregated4&req_dat=0F4281F45DEEBE2F)
NY YANKS IT AWAY FROM ORIOLES (http://docs.newsbank.com/openurl?ctx_ver=z39.88-2004&rft_id=info:sid/iw.newsbank.com:NewsBank:BGBK&rft_val_format=info:ofi/fmt:kev:mtx:ctx&rft_dat=0EADDC6DC2B67215&svc_dat=InfoWeb:aggregated4&req_dat=0F4281F45DEEBE2F)
Yeah, those appearances on Letterman, Good Morning America, and Leno sure did seem full of consternation and teeth-gnashing.

Fenway
10-13-2005, 02:09 PM
Yeah, those appearances on Letterman, Good Morning America, and Leno sure did seem full of consternation and teeth-gnashing.

time goes by quickly
http://www.wesleyan.edu/athletics/baseball/images/05baseballpic.jpg
Front Row (L to R): Adam Kopiec, John Eshelman, Chris Simpson, Tim Truncellito, Kit Tholen, Louis Gabel, Dan Poniatowski, Ben Brooks, Steve Secundo. Middle Row (L to R): Jarred Gagnon, Anthony Gray, Eric Wdowiak, Matt Lewis, Will Gordon, Tom Bloss, Jason Vitko, Mac Clonan, Jeff Maier, Jesse Leavitt. Back Row (L to R): Brian Mahr, Rob Coughlin, Chris Waelsch, Charlie Munzig, Alex Mautone, Chris Graceffa, Andre Sternberg, Alexander Brooks, Kyle Lee, Mark Noonan, Tim D'Aquila (assistant coach), Mark Woodworth (head coach). Missing: Drew Nannini, Eric Marszalek (assistant coach).

Deuce
10-13-2005, 06:34 PM
Funny how the East Coast never seemed this bothered by Jeffrey Maier's blatant interference that stole a game for the Yankees.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f1/Jeffmaier.jpg

"What interference?!?!?"

TDog
10-14-2005, 02:19 AM
Fenway, I admit, I'd be livid.

But at the same time, I'd hold our catcher responsible for not applying the safety tag. I'd hold our pitcher and catcher responsible for allowing the pinch runner to steal second base so effortlessly. And I'd hold our pitcher responsible for serving up a meatball on a silver platter to a great fastball hitter on an 0-2 count....

If the Sox had lost that way, most people who post around here would be blaming the catcher and the pitcher who lost the game on an 0-2 pitch. For years, you would hear people talking about that 0-2 pitch after the catcher screwed up after the bad call.

I haven't been able to watch the games. Did AJ tag out Johnny Damon on the bases loaded K in Boston?

Half Cocked Jack
10-14-2005, 03:43 AM
Did AJ tag out Johnny Damon on the bases loaded K in Boston?
Yup.

rocky biddle
10-14-2005, 01:16 PM
If the situation were reversed I'd be absolutely livid. But the difference is, none of the talking heads around the country would be this concerned. They'd all say that the "baseball gods" had merely leveled the playing field for the poor, travel-weary Angels. AJ would be ridiculed for not tagging the runner out and whoever was batting would be applauded as a "gritty, heads-up player" for taking advantage of the situation. I really hope the Sox come out and decisively take the next 3 games. Then maybe all the "experts" will shut up about how the game was stolen. And I really don't care how it plays out east. I'm surprised the self-important jackasses at ESPN took time out from reporting on Johnny Damon's latest haircut to tune in to the game in the first place.

Deuce
10-14-2005, 03:08 PM
I haven't been able to watch the games. Did AJ tag out Johnny Damon on the bases loaded K in Boston?

He tagged him, flipped the ball to the mound, then hopped away... all while Captain Caveman was standing there dumbstruck.

Gotta love it.

Deuce

Flight #24
10-14-2005, 03:21 PM
ummm the fact that we still remember that little punks name says otherwise

BaseballYanks catch break on game-tying HR (http://docs.newsbank.com/openurl?ctx_ver=z39.88-2004&rft_id=info:sid/iw.newsbank.com:NewsBank:BNHB&rft_val_format=info:ofi/fmt:kev:mtx:ctx&rft_dat=100AE7712D081E5B&svc_dat=InfoWeb:aggregated4&req_dat=0F4281F45DEEBE2F)
NY YANKS IT AWAY FROM ORIOLES (http://docs.newsbank.com/openurl?ctx_ver=z39.88-2004&rft_id=info:sid/iw.newsbank.com:NewsBank:BGBK&rft_val_format=info:ofi/fmt:kev:mtx:ctx&rft_dat=0EADDC6DC2B67215&svc_dat=InfoWeb:aggregated4&req_dat=0F4281F45DEEBE2F)

If you'd asked a non-NYer who won the series that year, I can virtualyl guarantee the answer would be "the Yankees", not "the Yankees with an assist from Jeffrey Maier".

If you ask a non-Chicagoan who won the 2003 WS, you'll probably hear "The Marlins", not "The Marlins with an assist from Steve Bartman". He's associated more with the Cubs losing than with the Marlins winning, as odd as that might be.

If the Sox win this series and win it all, 2 years from now the only people who will be thinking of that play will be Angels fans, & probably the local media who'll take the usual potshots at the Sox. On a national basis, it'll be recalled the next time there's a controversial call, but that's it.

AZChiSoxFan
10-14-2005, 05:25 PM
Funny how the East Coast never seemed this bothered by Jeffrey Maier's blatant interference that stole a game for the Yankees. Apparently that was different than a disputed borderline call where a player should have made the extra effort needed to ensure the inning was over in a tied ball game. The hell with all of them. If this year has done anything it's to really make the bunker mentality seem sensible...there are White Sox fans, and then there's everyone else, and everyone else can go straight to hell.

I'm nominating this for post of the week.

Remember that the Yankees went on to win that series, then the WS. Strange that I've never heard anybody in the media talk about the Yanks 96 title as tainted.

SOXSINCE'70
10-14-2005, 05:27 PM
Because there's NO WAY Angels lose in extra innings!!

:booty:

Are they "America's Team" this week??:angry: :angry:

credefan24
10-14-2005, 05:35 PM
Spiffie.. AMEN!!!!

The national media are jerks, don't we already know this?

Here's to those who wish us well, and those who don't, can go to hell.




This is our year, these guys never give up. Lets get 'em tonight Jon!!

Unregistered
10-14-2005, 05:35 PM
If the Sox win this series and win it all, 2 years from now the only people who will be thinking of that play will be Angels fans, & probably the local media who'll take the usual potshots at the Sox. On a national basis, it'll be recalled the next time there's a controversial call, but that's it.Agreed. No ****ing way do people mention game 2 of the ALCS if the White Sox go on to win the World Series. This wasn't game 7, it wasn't even a play that scored the winning run - if anything, it might be mentioned as a "turning point," but other than that, I'm just not buying it.

It seems like the biggest news story in the world TODAY (especially with a travel day following it), but a week from now no one will be talking about it. Not with the whole rest of the series to play. Tonight we'll probably see replays ad-nauseum, but I'd be shocked to see it mentioned further.

Hell, the Angels got a sweetheart call when Cano was called out for running outside of the baseline, and that basically won the Angels THE SERIES. No one had much time to dwell on it because game 1 was the next day. This has been allowed to fester simply because of the off-day - it fills up sports columns while they wait for game 3.

AZChiSoxFan
10-14-2005, 05:36 PM
At least the east coast media still cares about baseball

It is the one thing I could never understand about Chicago, how both papers are just plain awful covering sports. If you want to see a great sports section, get The Dallas News, it maybe the best in the country.

Hate to be the one to break this to you Fenway, but they really don't care about baseball. They only care about running down any team not called the Yankees or Red Sox.

Dan Shaugnessy (sp??) is only concerned with reading his own column and stiring up controversy. He's a piece of garbage.

Pasqua's Posers
10-14-2005, 06:18 PM
Fenway, I admit, I'd be livid.

But at the same time, I'd hold our catcher responsible for not applying the safety tag. I'd hold our pitcher and catcher responsible for allowing the pinch runner to steal second base so effortlessly. And I'd hold our pitcher responsible for serving up a meatball on a silver platter to a great fastball hitter on an 0-2 count.

That one play was not the game. No one knows if the Angels would have won the game in extra innings.

What aggrevates me is that call DID NOT cause the Angels to lose the game. Ozuna stole second and Crede hit a blast on an 0-2 pitch to bring him in. End. Of. Discussion.:angry: :angry:

BTW, the arrogance is permeating from "back East" When a writer states, "Since the Red Sox and Yankees aren't playing, the ALCS needs something to entice fans."

It's that kind of garbage that makes me loathe Red Cub fans and Yankee fans even more. Get over yourselves, yeah the Yankees have won 26 WS and Yeah the Red Sox won last year...but this is Our Year.

Rustyzipper
10-14-2005, 06:43 PM
The Sox need to get off to a big start tonight, The drop`d "3rd strike gate" will be on everyones mind. It would not surprise me a bit to see the Angels play it up a bit, Like the "first strike Out" Lackey gets.. the Catcher will put a tag on the Batter..The crowd will go Nuts.

So, we need to get that out of the way quick...

, But if that does happen, I hope A.J. does it back to them, everytime they strike out... Talk about getting in there heads.

Gooo Goooo Sox.. I`m dieing for 7:15

soxwon
10-14-2005, 06:47 PM
I like the Sox chance in games 4 and 5. I think we have a problem in game 3. I don't see any way this will not come back to Chicago for a game 6 in which Buhrle gets to pitch against Washburn again.

i like us in game 3 and 5
i will bet santana blanks us tommorow.

doctorlecter
10-14-2005, 07:33 PM
Funny how the East Coast never seemed this bothered by Jeffrey Maier's blatant interference that stole a game for the Yankees. Apparently that was different than a disputed borderline call where a player should have made the extra effort needed to ensure the inning was over in a tied ball game. The hell with all of them. If this year has done anything it's to really make the bunker mentality seem sensible...there are White Sox fans, and then there's everyone else, and everyone else can go straight to hell.

You know, I think that the best of both worlds happened Wednesday night. We tied the series up (an absolute necessity), and at the same time, actually LOST some credibility with the national media. Our guys seem to play better with that chip on their shoulder. Nothing scared me more than the dou***bags on ESPN drooling over the Sox after the Yanks took the Angels to five games.