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RealFan
10-13-2005, 10:14 AM
This is probably a fair reading of the situation. The column is more than just the play and I've only lifted what is relevant to last night. The link to the entire article is at the end.

Angels Go From Small Ball to Paul's Goof Ball

T.J. Simers

October 13, 2005

CHICAGO He's got the perfect first name, "Josh," because he's always goofing around, and that's Josh Paul's role with the Angels keeping the guys loose while making fun of the media under his breath.

Take, for example, the end of the eighth inning Wednesday against the Sox. Ah, what a clown. He catches the third strike thrown to Paul Konerko and jogs off the field with ball in hand and tosses it to Angel owner Arte Moreno, who is sitting behind the dugout.

What a hoot he knows who signs his checks.

The only thing that would've made it funnier would've been had he waited an inning, running off the field with the ball in his hand on the third strike to A.J. Pierzynski, tossing it to Moreno and then watching him scream at Moreno to give it back.

The lesson here, of course, is simple: Never play the court jester in such a serious game unless you don't mind the last laugh being on you.

If the clown is all business, doing what every catcher has been taught from the time batters are allowed to run to first base on what they think might be a dropped third strike, he tags Pierzynski, who was just standing there.

"Isn't that standard procedure for a catcher after catching a low pitch in the dirt?" I asked Manager Mike Scioscia, a former catcher.

Scioscia agreed, but tried to protect the team's resident jokester, who has played in only 69 games in the last three seasons, by saying the umpire made a "definitive swing call," and then a "definitive out call," and "Josh saw that."

Well, no he didn't. Paul told reporters all that took place behind his back. He said he never heard the umpire say anything, or for that matter do anything. He said it's customary for an umpire to yell "no catch, no catch" if he doesn't think the ball has been caught, and since he didn't hear that, he started running off the field.

Doug Eddings, the not-ready-for-prime-time plate umpire, said nothing, explaining later, "I had a question" whether Paul caught the ball, and with a clown like Paul you can't really blame Eddings. I know I was waiting to see whom he was going to throw the ball to this time. I was betting on Jackie Autry.

The umpire went on to explain that he waved his arm as he always does on a swinging third strike, raising the question that wasn't asked What gesture does he make when he thinks the ball has been trapped on a swinging third strike?

"I think [Eddings] ruled that the ball was trapped," said umpire supervisor Rich Rieker, which makes him a pretty good mind reader as far as I can tell.

It's all good fodder for another round of off-day stories, of course, but the Angels lost. And as Scioscia pointed out, "The only opinion that matters is the umpire making the call," and that's that. The good news, of course, is that the umpires rotate and Eddings won't be behind the plate the rest of the series.

I've got a hunch Paul won't be there either, that instead he'll be back on the bench clowning it up for the guys, and doing what he does best.


http://www.latimes.com/sports/columnists/la-sp-simers13oct13,1,7870389.column?coll=la-headlines-sports-columnists

The_Floridian
10-13-2005, 10:17 AM
Wow. That's a lot of mistakes in one article. Konerko? Jackie Autry? Threw the ball to the owner?

I think I speak for everyone on the board when I say, "Huh?"

In the immortal words of Rick James, "Cocaine's a hell of a drug..."

RealFan
10-13-2005, 10:19 AM
Wow. That's a lot of mistakes in one article. Konerko? Jackie Autry? Threw the ball to the owner?

I think I speak for everyone on the board when I say, "Huh?"

In the immortal words of Rick James, "Cocaine's a hell of a drug..."

I don't see those as mistakes. The Konerko reference is to Paulie's strikeout at the end of the eighth inning. Jackie Autry is the surviving wife of the previously deceased owner.

I think you read too fast.:wink:

Jerko
10-13-2005, 10:24 AM
I'm glad this guy at least wrote that Josh Paul COULD NOT SEE THE UMPIRE MAKE AN "OUT" CALL!!!!!!! That seems to be their reasoning. "Oh, Paul didn't tag AJ because he saw the out sign". NO HE DID NOT!!!!! He's in FRONT of the umpire with his back to him GMAB.

cheeses_h_rice
10-13-2005, 10:36 AM
I'm glad this guy at least wrote that Josh Paul COULD NOT SEE THE UMPIRE MAKE AN "OUT" CALL!!!!!!! That seems to be their reasoning. "Oh, Paul didn't tag AJ because he saw the out sign". NO HE DID NOT!!!!! He's in FRONT of the umpire with his back to him GMAB.

This is absolutely the key point of the entire debate. Even if the ump made a bad call and supposedly called AJ out with that fist-pump, JOSH PAUL DID NOT RELY ON THAT VISUAL BEFORE HE DECIDED TO TOSS THE BALL TO THE MOUND AND RUN OFF THE FIELD. So all this talk about the ump calling AJ out is completely irrelevant. The most important person on the field -- Josh Paul -- did not hear the ump calling the batter out, and just as importantly, did not see the ump calling the batter out. Josh Paul ASSUMED the batter was out, which is a rookie mistake, especially in a series as important as this.

RealFan
10-13-2005, 10:39 AM
And what's more, that's coming from an LA writer who obviously has his biases in this debate. The umpire's gestures are irrelevant in this debate. If Josh Paul followed catcher's SOP, he would have tagged AJ to eliminate any potential discrepancy.

The_Floridian
10-13-2005, 10:40 AM
I don't see those as mistakes. The Konerko reference is to the Paulie's strikeout at the end of the eighth inning. Jackie Autry is the surviving wife of the previously deceased owner.

I think you read too fast.:wink:

Oops. I guess that e-mail I sent him was a bit premature.
:redface:

I have to go type an apology now...

miker
10-13-2005, 12:29 PM
Oops. I guess that e-mail I sent him was a bit premature. I have to go type an apology now...
Don't bother. When was the last time a member of the press apologized to a Sox fan?

itsnotrequired
10-13-2005, 01:14 PM
Of course, we all know who owns the LA Times...:cool:

Fenway
10-13-2005, 01:28 PM
Of course, we all know who owns the LA Times...:cool:

Intetresting The Hartford Courant ( owned by Tribune ) is using a Philly writer

http://www.courant.com/sports/baseball/hc-alcs1013.artoct13,0,3121744.story?coll=hc-headlines-sports

CHICAGO -- In a bizarre finish, the White Sox tied the American League Championship Series at a game each with a 2-1 victory over the Angels Wednesday night at U.S. Cellular Field. The Angels saw things a lot differently, however. They believed the White Sox stole the win.

kevingrt
10-13-2005, 01:30 PM
This is absolutely the key point of the entire debate. Even if the ump made a bad call and supposedly called AJ out with that fist-pump, JOSH PAUL DID NOT RELY ON THAT VISUAL BEFORE HE DECIDED TO TOSS THE BALL TO THE MOUND AND RUN OFF THE FIELD. So all this talk about the ump calling AJ out is completely irrelevant. The most important person on the field -- Josh Paul -- did not hear the ump calling the batter out, and just as importantly, did not see the ump calling the batter out. Josh Paul ASSUMED the batter was out, which is a rookie mistake, especially in a series as important as this.

Good point, never thought of it, great point.

Shafe72
10-13-2005, 01:33 PM
that the LA Times is owned by the Tribune Corp...not sure if anybody mentioned that.

Small world...the omnipresent Cubune...

scottjanssens
10-13-2005, 01:34 PM
And what's more, that's coming from an LA writer who obviously has his biases in this debate. The umpire's gestures are irrelevant in this debate. If Josh Paul followed catcher's SOP, he would have tagged AJ to eliminate any potential discrepancy.

Maybe he's the Marriotti of L.A., telling them exactly the opposite of what they want to hear.

Fenway
10-13-2005, 01:44 PM
that the LA Times is owned by the Tribune Corp...not sure if anybody mentioned that.

Small world...the omnipresent Cubune...

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elrod
10-13-2005, 01:58 PM
And what's more, that's coming from an LA writer who obviously has his biases in this debate. The umpire's gestures are irrelevant in this debate. If Josh Paul followed catcher's SOP, he would have tagged AJ to eliminate any potential discrepancy.

He might be a Dodger fan. LA's Eric Zorn...

Johnny Mostil
10-13-2005, 03:00 PM
Maybe he's the Marriotti of L.A., telling them exactly the opposite of what they want to hear.

I'm not sure I'd call Simers the Mariotti of L.A., but "telling them exactly the opposite of what they want to hear" is rather close . . .