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Jjav829
10-12-2005, 11:05 PM
JOE....CREDE!!

YYEEESSSS!!!!!!!:bandance: :bandance: :bandance:

Brian26
10-12-2005, 11:05 PM
We take that one.

:winner

RockyMtnSoxFan
10-12-2005, 11:05 PM
What these announcers are forgetting are the bad calls that were made against the Sox earlier, like Crede called out at 2nd.

RKMeibalane
10-12-2005, 11:05 PM
JOE... CREDE!


YEEEEEESSS!

WSox8404
10-12-2005, 11:05 PM
All You Joe Crede Haters Can Go To Hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

peeonwrigley
10-12-2005, 11:05 PM
Wooo Haaaaa!!!!! Clutch Crede strikes again!!!!!!

flo-B-flo
10-12-2005, 11:06 PM
Official game 2 let it begin

seanpmurphy
10-12-2005, 11:06 PM
CAN FOX CRY ANYMORE?? :whiner::whiner::whiner::whiner:

GO SOX!!!!!!

tifosiv122
10-12-2005, 11:06 PM
The ball was in the dirt...you can see it bounce before going into the catchers glove. What an ending!

Buehrle was a monster today...9 innings and ready for the 10th!

Erik

SABRSox
10-12-2005, 11:06 PM
JOE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

RKMeibalane
10-12-2005, 11:06 PM
All You Joe Crede Haters Can Go To Hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Shoota probably thinks Crede's hit shouldn't count because of the questionable call on AJ.

house215
10-12-2005, 11:06 PM
We Stole That One!

wassagstdu
10-12-2005, 11:06 PM
The ball hit the dirt. You could see it in the slow-motion replay. Way to go AJ, and I take back everything I yelled about Crede.

.

cleanwsox
10-12-2005, 11:06 PM
I could care less if they are going to analyze the botched call.

It's 1 game to 1, and nothing is going to change that!

:supernana: :supernana: :supernana: :supernana: :supernana:

daveeym
10-12-2005, 11:06 PM
Awesome...where to begin, the mediots, calls of cheating, calls of the baseball gods smiling on us etc. etc. etc. It's gonna be a wild next couple of days.

mrs. hendu
10-12-2005, 11:06 PM
AJ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JOEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Winning Ugly. Oh yeah. :D:


:gulp:

Beauty35thStreet
10-12-2005, 11:07 PM
OHHHH YEAAHHHHH!!!!!

buehrle4cy05
10-12-2005, 11:07 PM
:threadrules:
THAT was awesome!:winner

schmitty9800
10-12-2005, 11:07 PM
The ball bounced up off the ground into his mitt, it then dropped a little before he closed his mitt around.

Then Joe makes it hit the wall. :smile:

soxfan26
10-12-2005, 11:07 PM
:burly

"Thanks Joe, I was starting to get a little tired out there!"

boiker
10-12-2005, 11:07 PM
the strike out that wasn't.

I hope that anyone with a tivo or fox's ultra slow motion replay watches the replay over and over.

At first, I sided with the Angles.. the ball was cleanly caught. Then I watched the replay.. the ball hits the dirt just before.. I mean.. just before it hits his mit.

Congrats to AJ's heads up play and Crede's clutch.

bringfrankback
10-12-2005, 11:07 PM
If only Hawk was announcing so we could hear it again.....

"JOE...........CREDE!!!"

WAY TO GO JOE!

Jjav829
10-12-2005, 11:07 PM
:crede
"Hey shoota, **** off! I'd like to see Joe Randa do that!"

Chips
10-12-2005, 11:07 PM
And the Oscar goes to AJ.
JOE CREDE.....YES!:supernana:

pczarapa
10-12-2005, 11:07 PM
All I can say is this must be destiny, this is just what they needed to throw them a spark. Awesome!!!


:dtroll: :supernana: :dtroll: :supernana: :dtroll: :supernana:

SABRSox
10-12-2005, 11:07 PM
Is this the play that introduces instant replay into MLB? Maybe...

Oh, and this is also equally deserved:

BURLY-MON!!!!!!!!

johnny bench
10-12-2005, 11:07 PM
Henceforth known as the

The Immaculate Deception Game

SoXPriDe33
10-12-2005, 11:08 PM
JOE CREDE!!!!!!!


Crede is Clutch

Nyls Nyman
10-12-2005, 11:08 PM
Looked like a good call to me on the reply - Paul opened up his glove and trapped it. Minor league mistake not to take care of business and tag AJ just for the heck of it.

Incredible pitching performance. The way he was going, he could have gone 11 innings easy.

sox_fan_forever
10-12-2005, 11:08 PM
OMG. I love this team. :supernana:

pczarapa
10-12-2005, 11:08 PM
the strike out that wasn't.

I hope that anyone with a tivo or fox's ultra slow motion replay watches the replay over and over.

At first, I sided with the Angles.. the ball was cleanly caught. Then I watched the replay.. the ball hits the dirt just before.. I mean.. just before it hits his mit.

Congrats to AJ's heads up play and Crede's clutch.


It was so tough to call, you can't blame the umps. But if it happened to us I'd be freaking out!

34rancher
10-12-2005, 11:08 PM
I don't care how, I am a happy camper.

RKMeibalane
10-12-2005, 11:09 PM
McCarver is still whining. Can the coverage be anymore biased?

itsnotrequired
10-12-2005, 11:09 PM
Not the prettiest win but I'll take it. You always take the win.

2-1 is amazing considering both runs were unearned.

JorgeFabregas
10-12-2005, 11:09 PM
Holy ****! AJ must have 10 lbs. of juevos.

ShoelessJoeS
10-12-2005, 11:10 PM
CREDE!!!!

BUEHRLE!!!!

tifosiv122
10-12-2005, 11:10 PM
Minor league mistake not to take care of business and tag AJ just for the heck of it.

Couldn't agree more...AJ always tags even if he's unsure...takes 10 seconds and you don't have issues like this.

Erik

whitesoxfan
10-12-2005, 11:10 PM
what an amazing win.

Joe Crede is the man, nuff said. Let's enjoy the travel day tomorrow and get back to work on Friday night :smile:

Unregistered
10-12-2005, 11:10 PM
Unreal win. UNREAL!!

:supernana:

itsnotrequired
10-12-2005, 11:10 PM
McCarver is still whining. Can the coverage be anymore biased?

I like how he keeps saying Paul caught it clean because he threw it back to the mound. Is he an idiot? It's called "acting". Whether it was clean or not is open to debate but for him to claim it was clean simply because he threw it back is nonsense. You think an old catcher would know that...

SoxFanSince67
10-12-2005, 11:10 PM
As M.Greenberg said on Tuesay, the Sox have the Mojo this year...Yes

ThatGuyOnTheL
10-12-2005, 11:11 PM
Whether it did or didn't hit the dirt,

1) AJ made the smart play. Hitters start trotting to 1st before the ump calls ball 4; pitchers begin trotting off the mound before strike 3 is called. 99% of the time, it doesn't work. This is the 1% of the time that explains the other 99.

2) Josh Paul is a world-class idiot for failing to apply the safety tag. Again, it's not needed 99% of the time; this is the other 1%.

iamkoza
10-12-2005, 11:11 PM
The ball was in the dirt...you can see it bounce before going into the catchers glove. What an ending!

Buehrle was a monster today...9 innings and ready for the 10th!

Erik


im sure i could watch that as a n angels fan and be irrate.... i didnt see any dirt kick up... and a catcher knows if he caught it or not.... but hey.... a win was sorely needed.... maybe cora and rowand wont be skinned alive now :)

fan_since_64
10-12-2005, 11:11 PM
Winning Ugly 05'!!!!!!!

cleanwsox
10-12-2005, 11:11 PM
1st home win in the American League Championship Series.

Hell yah! Down goes another streak.

PAPChiSox729
10-12-2005, 11:11 PM
Crede capitalized.
Buehlre just won the game of his life.
AJ is genius.


AWESOME!!!

slobes
10-12-2005, 11:11 PM
YES!!!
I'll take any kind of win we can get!!!

seanpmurphy
10-12-2005, 11:11 PM
:burly

Am I good or what?

ChiWhiteSox1337
10-12-2005, 11:11 PM
Buehrle pitched the game of his life tonight. That was a very satisfying win. Go Sox!

SABRSox
10-12-2005, 11:12 PM
Scioscia on ESPN:

"We didn't play well enough to absorb something like that."

house215
10-12-2005, 11:12 PM
MERCY!:supernana:

fan_since_64
10-12-2005, 11:13 PM
Most important dropped thrid strike since Micjey Owen vs Joe DiMaggio...

LuvSox
10-12-2005, 11:13 PM
Just when I'm ready to break Crede's legs..........

Beautox
10-12-2005, 11:13 PM
:burly

Am I good or what?

classic a 9 inning beast.

JB98
10-12-2005, 11:13 PM
Too bad Shoota got banned. I would like to see his reaction to that huge hit by Crede. Joe got an 0-2 splitter up, and he hit it hard. Where's the guy who wanted to bench Crede last night? I'm glad that didn't happen.

That umpire's call, if we go on to win this series, it will go down with the Denkinger call. We'll take 'em anyway we can get 'em.

IloveARow
10-12-2005, 11:13 PM
OMG. I love this team. :supernana:

I LOVE THIS TEAM!!!!! IT WAS IN THE DIRT!!!!!!!!!!!
JOOOOOOOEEEE CREDE!!!!

SoxFanSince67
10-12-2005, 11:13 PM
This was the turning point...no stopping the Sox now...

Jjav829
10-12-2005, 11:13 PM
Give credit to Mike Scioscia. A lot of managers would use their postgame press conference as a whine session to blame the umpires for that call. He has basically dismissed that call as what cost them the game, saying that the Angels just didn't play well enough to win. Classy response by Scioscia to a very controversial call.

dividedsk717
10-12-2005, 11:13 PM
the strike out that wasn't.

I hope that anyone with a tivo or fox's ultra slow motion replay watches the replay over and over.

At first, I sided with the Angles.. the ball was cleanly caught. Then I watched the replay.. the ball hits the dirt just before.. I mean.. just before it hits his mit.

Congrats to AJ's heads up play and Crede's clutch.

I just watched the play on Tivo ... you can hear the ball hit twice: once on the ground and once in the mit. It's a good call!

YEAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

:worship: :crede :bandance:

iamkoza
10-12-2005, 11:14 PM
i'm also amazed we got a hit off of escobar.... sheesh, would rather face that guy once in the series than every game

Revolution29
10-12-2005, 11:14 PM
:supernana:We're never gonna hear the end of that from the media and i dont care!!!! WAY TO GO JOE!!!!!!!! WAY TO GO SOX!!!!!!!!!!!!!:supernana:

SportsPg
10-12-2005, 11:14 PM
the strike out that wasn't.

I hope that anyone with a tivo or fox's ultra slow motion replay watches the replay over and over.

At first, I sided with the Angles.. the ball was cleanly caught. Then I watched the replay.. the ball hits the dirt just before.. I mean.. just before it hits his mit.

Congrats to AJ's heads up play and Crede's clutch.

Guys, I have TIVO, took a good look at it. In my opinion, Paul made the grab. It did hit the ground IN PAUL'S MITT. Paul had his mitt pinned against the ground. It was clear as day IMHO.

However, I am a diehard White Sox fan. I'll take the gift, we need to get off the hitting schnide. On to Anaheim - GO SOX :gulp: :gulp: :gulp:

InContention
10-12-2005, 11:14 PM
I am SO glad I didn't have class tonight. This was great to watch :bandance:

RKMeibalane
10-12-2005, 11:14 PM
Scioscia on ESPN:

"We didn't play well enough to absorb something like that."

That's the truth. The Angels had nine innings to win the game, just as the Sox did. I will agree with any Angels fan who complains about these umps. They've been awful. But that doesn't change the fact that Orange County could still have won this game. Crede got the job done, and so the Sox won. Period.

mcg
10-12-2005, 11:14 PM
I don't care if that ball was in the dirt or not. The ump completely botched the call with Crede back safely on 2nd in 7th so they owed us a baserunner.

Buehrle was outstanding tonight! :bandance:

SAVVY18
10-12-2005, 11:14 PM
There were several "breaks" that the Angels got and they didn't take advantage of them. We got a big one and did take advantage of it.

Way to go A.J. and Way to go Joe!!!! :drunken:

PAPChiSox729
10-12-2005, 11:14 PM
Give credit to Mike Scioscia. A lot of managers would use their postgame press conference as a whine session to blame the umpires for that call. He has basically dismissed that call as what cost them the game, saying that the Angels just didn't play well enough to win. Classy response to a very controversial call by Scioscia.

I know that I certainly wouldn't be saying that if I were managing the Angels right now. Scioscia is a very good manager.

Palehose13
10-12-2005, 11:14 PM
IMO, what people (namely mediots) are forgetting is that Joe Crede's hit won the game. There were 2 outs. If they would have taken care of Crede, AJ's controversial dropped third strike wouldn't have meant a thing.

peeonwrigley
10-12-2005, 11:15 PM
I haven't seen a replay yet.. how pronounced was the umpire calling AJ out... because I think that is their major contention

SABRSox
10-12-2005, 11:15 PM
Give credit to Mike Scioscia. A lot of managers would use their postgame press conference as a whine session to blame the umpires for that call. He has basically dismissed that call as what cost them the game, saying that the Angels just didn't play well enough to win. Classy response to a very controversial call by Scioscia.

Granted, he hasn't seen a replay, but he gives credit where credit is due. MB pitched the game of his career tonight.

ElDuque26
10-12-2005, 11:15 PM
boy does joe crede know how to save himself from earlier mistakes...still we need to be sharper than we were tonight to keep winning these games...Kudos to Joe and A.J., but big MB had 9 strong and was ready for 10 and hes the reason 2 runs makes us a winner!:gulp: :gulp: :gulp:

MISoxfan
10-12-2005, 11:15 PM
i'm also amazed we got a hit off of escobar.... sheesh, would rather face that guy once in the series than every game

Didn't Crede crush the ball twice off of him? And Uribe hit it really hard too.

chisox
10-12-2005, 11:15 PM
That play is going to live in infamy. That play=Tom Brady tuck rule vs Oakland...

He was clearly out.

Heads up play though.

He was just lazy and cocky for not applying the tag.

HotelWhiteSox
10-12-2005, 11:15 PM
Wow, although both runs were gifts, I'll take it!!! What instincts for AJ, and how about Joe, he'll get overlooked in coverage, but with an 0-2 pitch with a tough reliever, Joe 'Clutch' Crede.

Difference from last nights game is we capitalized and executed on those mistakes.

Also, the Angels can't blame a loss on that play, they couldn't get anything off of Buehrle. Also, the AJ play was payback as the one K on Konerko was BS.

And an awesome effort by Buehrle, he was going to come out for the 10th!

Classy by Sciosca, he's a smart manager and baseball man, restating my point that you can't blame the loss on that play. They couldn't score, they let Pablo steal, and you still gotta pitch to Crede

SoxFanSince67
10-12-2005, 11:15 PM
Give credit to Mike Scioscia. A lot of managers would use their postgame press conference as a whine session to blame the umpires for that call. He has basically dismissed that call as what cost them the game, saying that the Angels just didn't play well enough to win. Classy response to a very controversial call by Scioscia.

Can you imagine the media coverage and perspective should this have been the Yankees or Red Sox instead of the Angels...

seanpmurphy
10-12-2005, 11:16 PM
Wow! Next thing you know Fox is going to press for INSTANT REPLAY in baseball!! :whiner:

Shift in momentum: SOX

CanBuehrleWait
10-12-2005, 11:16 PM
I can go into my graveyard shift happy now :) A former Sox aids the cause once more by being lazy. Bless this team and GO SOX!!

iamkoza
10-12-2005, 11:16 PM
Didn't Crede crush the ball twice off of him? And Uribe hit it really hard too.

yah... and the other 6 struck out it seemed

RKMeibalane
10-12-2005, 11:16 PM
Mark Buehrle has to be considered one of the best pitchers in baseball after tonight. No question in my mind.

Murphy10
10-12-2005, 11:16 PM
CANT BELIEVE I STAYED HOME FOR STUDYING!:angry:


Well if theres game 6 and 7 ill be there:D:

Hoffdaddydmb
10-12-2005, 11:17 PM
pinch me I think I'm dreaming, did that really just happen? God has to be a Sox fan after seeing that. Can't wait to see how the Cubune spins this tomorrow.

mccoydp
10-12-2005, 11:17 PM
Awesome ending to this game.

Josh Paul should have at least tagged A.J. for good measure, but, we see what happened as a result...

Great pitching by Mark!

:winner

soxjim
10-12-2005, 11:17 PM
Way to be lights out Mark. Way to be clutch Joe. :supernana: :supernana:

IloveARow
10-12-2005, 11:17 PM
Guys, I have TIVO, took a good look at it. In my opinion, Paul made the grab. It did hit the ground IN PAUL'S MITT. Paul had his mitt pinned against the ground. It was clear as day IMHO.

However, I am a diehard White Sox fan. I'll take the gift, we need to get off the hitting schnide. On to Anaheim - GO SOX :gulp: :gulp: :gulp:

If you look at the reverse video you actually see the ball bounce off the ground into the mitt! AJ's gat da smarts! We've had terrible calls against us so no matter what FAUX or the Cubune says tomorrow, it was a
BIG FAT W!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

RockyMtnSoxFan
10-12-2005, 11:18 PM
I don't care if that ball was in the dirt or not. The ump completely botched the call with Crede back safely on 2nd in 7th so they owed us a baserunner.

Buehrle was outstanding tonight! :bandance:

Why aren't we hearing more about this? I thought Crede was obviously safe. The tag wasn't close, and his hand reached the bag before the throw arrived.

SABRSox
10-12-2005, 11:18 PM
I wonder what this does psychologically to the Angels. They have to be crushed right now. What a turning point.

Deuce
10-12-2005, 11:18 PM
He was out, but I'll ****ing take it. No doubt. Besides, cheater's rule holds that if he should have been out, Crede would not have come through. He did, we win, they lose.

Deuce

JUribe1989
10-12-2005, 11:18 PM
Hey Angels, when the batter runs to first.....DONT RUN IN TO THE DUGOUT! :D:

JOE.....CREDE!

fan_since_64
10-12-2005, 11:18 PM
Story of the earlier dropped thrid strike:

It was game four of the '41 World Series with the Dodgers railing the rival New York Yankees two games to one in the best-of-seven finale. With the Dodgers leading 3-2 in the top of the ninth inning, New York's Tommy Henrich was at the plate and faced a 3-and-2 count by Brooklyn pitcher Hugh Casey. Henrich swung and missed at the offering, but Owen was unable to hold onto the pitch, it scooted away and Henrich reached first base safely. The Yankees then went on to tally four runs and gained a 7-4 victory and a 3-1 edge in the Series. They then captured the championship with another win in game five.

chaerulez
10-12-2005, 11:18 PM
Fox is so sad and quick to say it didn't hit the dirt, but Jack McDowell brought up a great point that the replay isn't 100 percent clear and he doesn't think it was a clean pick.

Regardless, this is part of the game and bottom line is if Crede doesn't come through no one is talking about this.

DickAllen72
10-12-2005, 11:19 PM
The ball was in the dirt...you can see it bounce before going into the catchers glove. What an ending!

Buehrle was a monster today...9 innings and ready for the 10th!

Erik
On the replay with the blown up shot you can clearly see the ball bounce up into the pocket of the glove. All other replays make it appear that the catcher caught it just above the ground. FOX only showed the blown-up version once or twice, then continuously replayed the other shots.


Buehrle Rules!!! Way to go, Joe!!!

Hokiesox
10-12-2005, 11:19 PM
Thank you Doug Eddings for looking like a fool. As a fellow umpire, he did call AJ out. I don't know why he let the play progress like that. Maybe out wasn't the right call, but he did call him out. That's what a fist means. I sure woulda called him out. There's no way to know if the ball hit the dirt or not when you're standing behind the catcher, and your guys 110 feet away aren't going to be any help either. I was amused to watch him walk down to Rapuano at 3rd. Ed should have thrown his hands up and laughed. No way the third base umpire sees that.

Hey, 1-1. I'll take it any way we can get it. I just hope we start running bases better, tonight was another embarassment, and Joey Cora needs to be a better third base coach. If he held Rowand at third, like he should have, we probably woulda hit him home in that inning, thus negating the whole AJ thing anyway. The only thing worse than our baserunning was the umpiring. But, like I said, a win is a win is a win. Here's a Hooah! for the Sox Army.:gulp::gulp::gulp:

StockdaleForVeep
10-12-2005, 11:19 PM
http://www.americanheart.org/images/ImagePicker/1753-inter-phot.jpg
::me after the boston series and then this game, i cant take this anymore::

Deuce
10-12-2005, 11:20 PM
First Tony Graff and now Josh Paul... any more former Sox players that want to give us a gift? :redneck

Nyls Nyman
10-12-2005, 11:20 PM
Give credit to Mike Scioscia. A lot of managers would use their postgame press conference as a whine session to blame the umpires for that call. He has basically dismissed that call as what cost them the game, saying that the Angels just didn't play well enough to win. Classy response to a very controversial call by Scioscia.
Scioscia was a catcher. He KNOWS that Josh Paul should have applied the tag just in case. Maybe the ump botched the call, maybe not. But it's Josh Paul's fault that the Angels lost that game.

Karma? :)

SweetnesSox
10-12-2005, 11:20 PM
I wonder what this does psychologically to the Angels. They have to be crushed right now. What a turning point. agreed. this is the spark we need.

seanpmurphy
10-12-2005, 11:20 PM
Fox is so sad and quick to say it didn't hit the dirt, but Jack McDowell brought up a great point that the replay isn't 100 percent clear and he doesn't think it was a clean pick.

Regardless, this is part of the game and bottom line is if Crede doesn't come through no one is talking about this.

Chae are you still wearing that Hafner jersey?

GO SOX:bandance:

Chips
10-12-2005, 11:20 PM
:burly

Am I good or what?

YES, YOU'RE GOOD.

samram
10-12-2005, 11:21 PM
I wonder what this does psychologically to the Angels. They have to be crushed right now. What a turning point.

Actually, I'll bet they're pissed and feel they got cheated. You can tell they're very mentally tough- don't expect that they'll be down after this.

DickAllen72
10-12-2005, 11:21 PM
I wonder what this does psychologically to the Angels. They have to be crushed right now. What a turning point.

I hope so, but it also could cause them to circle the wagons. We'll find out Friday!

mrs. hendu
10-12-2005, 11:21 PM
Yahoo MLB headline: White Sox steal Game 2

The only stat that matters is W, but what's bothering me is that we didn't play well (bad base running, trying to do too much too soon like the Indians at the very end of the season etc.). I'm still concerned about the series. Still, GO SOX and stop doing amateur stuff.

Optipessimism
10-12-2005, 11:21 PM
Give credit to Mike Scioscia. A lot of managers would use their postgame press conference as a whine session to blame the umpires for that call. He has basically dismissed that call as what cost them the game, saying that the Angels just didn't play well enough to win. Classy response to a very controversial call by Scioscia.

Totally agree. He could have pulled a Dusty Baker and complained about it over and over but instead said that there shouldn't be a replay in baseball in that situation. Scioscia has won my respect for sure.

dcb33
10-12-2005, 11:22 PM
:WU

So what if the Sox robbed the Angels? We all know how bad crime is around the Cell, so the Angels should've expected that something would get stolen during their visit here.

itsnotrequired
10-12-2005, 11:22 PM
Yahoo MLB headline: White Sox steal Game 2

The only stat that matters is W, but what's bothering me is that we didn't play well (bad base running, trying to do too much too soon like the Indians at the very end of the season etc.). I'm still concerned about the series. Still, GO SOX and stop doing amateur stuff.

Yes, Ozuna did steal a base to get into scoring position. He then scored the winning run. What's the problem?:D:

Deuce
10-12-2005, 11:22 PM
Can't wait to read the Tribune headline tomorrow...

itsnotrequired
10-12-2005, 11:23 PM
Totally agree. He could have pulled a Dusty Baker and complained about it over and over but instead said that there shouldn't be a replay in baseball in that situation. Scioscia has won my respect for sure.

Does Mike have a six year old he can drag out for the press conference?:tongue:

Beauty35thStreet
10-12-2005, 11:23 PM
so so sick of these Fox analysts, I usually turn on the radio, but game 1 I decided to watch the TV with my Dad, and was getting sick of the announcers. After the win, I turned on Fox and Joe Buck was talking about the Halos being livid, but I thought he was more pissed. What gives man?

It's so obvious that Fox is biased by not acknowledging any other calls that go the friggin' Halos way.

Plus they have that stupid "whoosh" robotic sounds all the time too. It is just such a horrible station. All they have is Family Guy and Simpsons

mrs. hendu
10-12-2005, 11:23 PM
Give credit to Mike Scioscia. A lot of managers would use their postgame press conference as a whine session to blame the umpires for that call. He has basically dismissed that call as what cost them the game, saying that the Angels just didn't play well enough to win. Classy response by Scioscia to a very controversial call.

Agreed, very classy. :smile:

IloveARow
10-12-2005, 11:23 PM
http://www.americanheart.org/images/ImagePicker/1753-inter-phot.jpg
::me after the boston series and then this game, i cant take this anymore::

No kidding, I think Rolaid's stock is going up this week.... GAD. :wink:

SABRSox
10-12-2005, 11:24 PM
First Tony Graff and now Josh Paul... any more former Sox players that want to give us a gift? :redneck

http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/images/players/mugshot/ph_113793.jpg
"Hello..."

Iwritecode
10-12-2005, 11:24 PM
Thank you Doug Eddings for looking like a fool. As a fellow umpire, he did call AJ out. I don't know why he let the play progress like that. Maybe out wasn't the right call, but he did call him out. That's what a fist means.

Many, many times a ump will make a fist to indicate a strike...

4th Gen. Sox Fan
10-12-2005, 11:24 PM
I'm speechless, I am without speech

itsnotrequired
10-12-2005, 11:25 PM
Did you all see that "Captain Clutch Crede" sign? Amazing!

jabrch
10-12-2005, 11:25 PM
Clubhouse Cancer...

daveeym
10-12-2005, 11:25 PM
Many, many times a ump will make a fist to indicate a strike... And it's funny, I could swear the catcher is always in front of the ump looking the other way. Damned if he saw the ump making any signs.

fan_since_64
10-12-2005, 11:25 PM
the ball bouncing UP into the mit was the ANGLE that did in the ANGELS!

DickAllen72
10-12-2005, 11:25 PM
Scoscia was just on now...what a class guy! No excuses, just said "we didn't play well enough to absorb something like this."

IronFisk
10-12-2005, 11:25 PM
First Tony Graff and now Josh Paul... any more former Sox players that want to give us a gift? :redneck

:supernana: GROOOOVY!

soxstarter
10-12-2005, 11:26 PM
No matter what the truth of the call was, our guys have their heads in the right place for game #3. They are saying that they need to play further ahead of where they were with the Angels tonight. Paulie said, "it was like we were playing ourselves." They will be fired up and ready to win with a significant advantage on Friday!

mrs. hendu
10-12-2005, 11:26 PM
:WU

So what if the Sox robbed the Angels? We all know how bad crime is around the Cell, so the Angels should've expected that something would get stolen during their visit here.

http://www.wizaz.pl/forum/images/old_icons/hahaha.gif

Deuce
10-12-2005, 11:26 PM
Clubhouse Cancer...

yeah... the Angel's clubhouse. :redneck

lumpyspun
10-12-2005, 11:26 PM
I just kept laughing to myself thinking of what Lou Pinella would have been like if he was in Mike Soscia's shoes....guy would have gone ballistic.

Iguana775
10-12-2005, 11:27 PM
The ball was in the dirt...you can see it bounce before going into the catchers glove. What an ending!

Buehrle was a monster today...9 innings and ready for the 10th!

Erik

thank you! I thought i was the only one that saw that.

mrs. hendu
10-12-2005, 11:27 PM
Yes, Ozuna did steal a base to get into scoring position. He then scored the winning run. What's the problem?:D:

True. :D:

:gulp:

Johnny Mostil
10-12-2005, 11:27 PM
Actually, I'll bet they're pissed and feel they got cheated. You can tell they're very mentally tough- don't expect that they'll be down after this.

Agreed. They came in here after a hellacious travel schedule, got a split, and gave up just two earned runs in two games. I think the Sox can win the series, but it could take a while . . .

DC Sox Fan
10-12-2005, 11:27 PM
:AJ:

"I make **** happen"

StockdaleForVeep
10-12-2005, 11:27 PM
The greatest and most important aspect of this game is not the aj\crede play. The most important is buehrle pitched the game of his life, held the 3-4-5 hitters to zero hits and got the win. He deserved this

Hokiesox
10-12-2005, 11:28 PM
Many, many times a ump will make a fist to indicate a strike...

Yeah, but the fist came AFTER he threw the hand out to the side. Watch again. First he throws the hand out for strike 3, then he pumps the fist in front of him.

StockdaleForVeep
10-12-2005, 11:28 PM
I just kept laughing to myself thinking of what Lou Pinella would have been like if he was in Mike Soscia's shoes....guy would have gone ballistic.

Lou would still be arguing and crede wouldnt had batted yet

Deuce
10-12-2005, 11:28 PM
It was the "Curse of Mickey Mouse" that caused the ump to blow the call. If only the Angels had not moved their name from Anaheim to LA...

Deuce

Beauty35thStreet
10-12-2005, 11:29 PM
do have to say I respect I respect Scioscia for what he said. He's a damn good coach which means I hope the Sox realizing they have played bad fires them up for Game 3. Remembe Scioscia put Manuel on the 2003 squad and gave Loazia the nod to start, which shows this guy is pretty classy. Doesn't mean I don't want to beat him.

There is no replay in baseball and there should be no computerized umps.

mcfish
10-12-2005, 11:29 PM
Wow! Go SOX! Nice heads up play by AJ - keep going and let the ump sort it out later. Nice clutch hit by Crede!!! Let's take game 3 now! Garland is gonna give us a nice outing in Anaheim!

fan_since_64
10-12-2005, 11:30 PM
Tong Graf, Josh Paul ... hopefully next ex-Sox to do us a favor is Cal Eldred of the Cards!

SoxFanSince67
10-12-2005, 11:30 PM
Was it a WSI member holding the sign that said "we don't beliebve in curses."

Palehose13
10-12-2005, 11:30 PM
I can't believe it...I think Harold Reynolds is defending the play!

Hokiesox
10-12-2005, 11:30 PM
No matter what the truth of the call was, our guys have their heads in the right place for game #3. They are saying that they need to play further ahead of where they were with the Angels tonight. Paulie said, "it was like we were playing ourselves." They will be fired up and ready to win with a significant advantage on Friday!

He can set up his MVP baseball to do that, if he feels so inclined.

Johnny Mostil
10-12-2005, 11:30 PM
It was the "Curse of Mickey Mouse" that caused the ump to blow the call. If only the Angels had not moved their name from Anaheim to LA...

Deuce

Or the curse of Mickey Mouse umpiring throughout the series so far?

RetireWoodys28
10-12-2005, 11:30 PM
FIRE JOEY CORA NOW!

Now. Not during the off-season. It can't wait.

God bless clutch hitting and bad umpiring! GO SOX!

livewir
10-12-2005, 11:31 PM
Scioscia is a very good manager that respects the game. He has class.



on another note

SOX WIN! SOX WIN!
SOX WIN! SOX WIN!
SOX WIN! SOX WIN!
SOX WIN! SOX WIN!
SOX WIN! SOX WIN!
SOX WIN! SOX WIN!

StockdaleForVeep
10-12-2005, 11:31 PM
I can't believe it...I think Harold Reynolds is defending the play!

http://www.ffbooks.co.uk/images/n7/n37444.jpg

stl_sox_fan
10-12-2005, 11:32 PM
Looks like Cub fans are already busy on ChicagoSports.com


Did the umpires make the correct call in the bottom of the ninth?

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/images/standard/red.gif 38.5%
Yes, Pierzynski ran to first for a reason (111 responses)

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/images/standard/red.gif 61.5%
They blew it (177 responses)

DickAllen72
10-12-2005, 11:32 PM
Oh yeah, before I forget...

I Luuuvvv A. J.!!!

StockdaleForVeep
10-12-2005, 11:32 PM
Looks like Cub fans are already busy on ChicagoSports.com


Did the umpires make the correct call in the bottom of the ninth?

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/images/standard/red.gif 38.5%
Yes, Pierzynski ran to first for a reason (111 responses)

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/images/standard/red.gif 61.5%
They blew it (177 responses)


Umpires now being interviewed

Has anyone ever seen the umpire crew get interviewed?

Deuce
10-12-2005, 11:33 PM
FIRE JOEY CORA NOW!

Now. Not during the off-season. It can't wait.

God bless clutch hitting and bad umpiring! GO SOX!

BAN DARK CLOUDS NOW!

SABRSox
10-12-2005, 11:33 PM
Now they're crucifying Eddings on ESPN in the presser...

Lorenzo Barcelo
10-12-2005, 11:33 PM
Umpires being interviewed! I have never seen this before.

gf2020
10-12-2005, 11:34 PM
[QUOTE=Deuce]First Tony Graff and now Josh Paul... any more former Sox players that want to give us a gift? :redneck[/QUOTE

If I am Tony Larussa, I don't use Cal Eldred in game 2 of the WS.

Beauty35thStreet
10-12-2005, 11:34 PM
Umpires now being interviewed

Has anyone ever seen the umpire crew get interviewed?

I hope instead of them getting scared, they decide to give Sox the calls

I'm so sick of Hollywood and New England

The_Floridian
10-12-2005, 11:34 PM
FIRE JOEY CORA NOW!

Now. Not during the off-season. It can't wait.

God bless clutch hitting and bad umpiring! GO SOX!

Awwww....you don't really mean that. :tongue:

LuvSox
10-12-2005, 11:34 PM
Ladies and Gentlemen, there are no replays in baseball. Deal with it.

On to game 3.

StockdaleForVeep
10-12-2005, 11:35 PM
[QUOTE=Deuce]First Tony Graff and now Josh Paul... any more former Sox players that want to give us a gift? :redneck[/QUOTE

If I am Tony Larussa, I don't use Cal Eldred in game 2 of the WS.

Larussa-former sox coach, if yer talkin jinx and former sox players causing incidents, id think that larussa would ban himself from the series

batmanZoSo
10-12-2005, 11:35 PM
We caught a break, but who cares. LORD knows we deserve it after all these years. We deserve every dadgum break that's comin to us. We're in good shape now, let's just start hitting with runners on. Our pitching is on a roll and I don't think they're gonna stop. Go to LA and whip some halo ass. I don't want to see you guys in white until the World Series.

:supernana::supernana::supernana:

Greg1983
10-12-2005, 11:35 PM
Sox better learn how to run the damn bases again before Friday, or this whole "controversy" isn't going to matter.

SOXintheBURGH
10-12-2005, 11:36 PM
I can't believe it...I think Harold Reynolds is defending the play!

Kruk, too.


Wow!

Just...


WOW!!

DrummerGeorgefan
10-12-2005, 11:36 PM
takes some stones for those guys to get up there

VivaOzzie
10-12-2005, 11:36 PM
Guys, I have TIVO, took a good look at it. In my opinion, Paul made the grab. It did hit the ground IN PAUL'S MITT. Paul had his mitt pinned against the ground. It was clear as day IMHO.


If the same play is made in the outfield, isnt that a trap? Therefore, NOT a catch???

LuvSox
10-12-2005, 11:36 PM
Kruk, too.


Wow!

Just...


WOW!!

I'm not watching, who they defending, us or them?

Lorenzo Barcelo
10-12-2005, 11:36 PM
One more thing... Is it normal for this kind of press conference for umps?

stl_sox_fan
10-12-2005, 11:37 PM
The umps are standing pat. Inconclusive I believe I heard.
I think on the 100th replay you actually see Lee Harvey Oswald on the grassy knoll. Hmmmmm......

FarWestChicago
10-12-2005, 11:37 PM
This is all absolute bull****. It was a trap at best. The best replays show a bounce. Josh Paul blew it. Tag the ****ing batter and move on. Absolute bull****. Those of you saying we got a break are nuts.

Nyls Nyman
10-12-2005, 11:37 PM
Sounds like Eddings said that he called a strike, but that he didn't call the batter out, so therefore the play was still live. A reporter asked if it was customary for the catcher to tag the batter anyway, and Eddings said (paraphrasing) "yes, and that's why I was so surprised that he just threw the ball back to the mound."

IloveARow
10-12-2005, 11:37 PM
Ladies and Gentlemen, there are no replays in baseball. Deal with it.

On to game 3.

Oh my GAD just give us the W! I can't believe these reporters. Tomorrow's Cubune headline is going to be a doozy.....

Hendu
10-12-2005, 11:38 PM
Wow!! We needed that win and Mark Buehrle threw the game of his life.

Whether or not the ball hit the ground or not and whether or not the ump signaled AJ out, on a play that close, you have to tag the batter. Josh Paul learned that the hard way and I love the way it turned out!!

Work on the baserunning tomorrow, boys.

MushMouth
10-12-2005, 11:38 PM
The super-slowmo showed it hitting the catchers mitt towards the top-middle of his glove, I definitely saw it bounce. Regardless, it's of no matter now, but to me, this is the "Bounce Game"



HOLY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:bandance:

Iguana775
10-12-2005, 11:38 PM
The umps just had a press conference and they were getting RAILED by the reporters. I think the crew chief was getting pissed.

SOXintheBURGH
10-12-2005, 11:38 PM
I'm not watching, who they defending, us or them?

Kruk and Reynolds just say "Congrats to AJ, heads up play.. he has the ump in his ear all night, if he didn't hear a 'Yer out!' it was just heads up to run to first."

StockdaleForVeep
10-12-2005, 11:38 PM
Hahahahaha the umpire went to the wendelstedt(sp?) umpire school

Who knew someone related directly to hunter would end up benefiting us in a call

The_Floridian
10-12-2005, 11:38 PM
One more thing... Is it normal for this kind of press conference for umps?

They did it after A-Rod slapped the ball out of Arroyo's mitt in the ALCS last year.

Gavin
10-12-2005, 11:38 PM
Jesus Christ. Showing the home plate umpire's Bio on ESPN? Give me a break.

Suburbanbuddha
10-12-2005, 11:38 PM
Hey I've lurked since 2000 or so but this one gets me typing.

The ENTIRE game every other close call went the Angels way. Finally one for the good guys and all the Faux announcers can do is cry about it. Rowand was safe at the plate - Crede at second was close. A.J. just made a heads up play.

How 'bout those ex-sox helping us out. Graffinino last week and Josh Paul today.

Like they say WINNING UGLY

Cat Thief
10-12-2005, 11:38 PM
Kruk, too.


Wow!

Just...


WOW!!

Hard to believe....

SoxFanSince67
10-12-2005, 11:39 PM
Umpires now being interviewed

Has anyone ever seen the umpire crew get interviewed?

A 1st for me...

LuvSox
10-12-2005, 11:39 PM
This is all absolute bull****. It was a trap at best. The best replays show a bounce. Josh Paul blew it. Tag the ****ing batter and move on. Absolute bull****. Those of you saying we got a break are nuts.

In the long run, things like this are the reason he no longer plays on the South Side.

stl_sox_fan
10-12-2005, 11:39 PM
Sounds like Eddings said that he called a strike, but that he didn't call the batter out, so therefore the play was still live. A reporter asked if it was customary for the catcher to tag the batter anyway, and Eddings said (paraphrasing) "yes, and that's why I was so surprised that he just threw the ball back to the mound."


Know the game...that's why Josh Paul is no longer on the Sox.... :tongue:

pearso66
10-12-2005, 11:39 PM
if anyone has a replay of this, please post it. I know on the close up it looked like it bounced off of something, but on the far away one, you can't tell.

I personally think he caught it, but it was close, and i think Paul should have tagged him anyway

Jjav829
10-12-2005, 11:39 PM
Jesus Christ. Showing the home plate umpire's Bio on ESPN? Give me a break.

Agreed. That is going way overboard. Pathetic, ESPN. Pathetic.

MushMouth
10-12-2005, 11:39 PM
Hey I've lurked since 2000 or so but this one gets me typing.

The ENTIRE game every other close call went the Angels way. Finally one for the good guys and all the Faux announcers can do is cry about it. Rowand was safe at the plate - Crede at second was close. A.J. just made a heads up play.

How 'bout those ex-sox helping us out. Graffinino last week and Josh Paul today.

Like they say WINNING UGLY

Absolutely! Rowand was SAFE! Slapped plate before the tag!!

Just thought of the Josh Paul-Bartolo-Graffanino connection! hahahahah:)

SABRSox
10-12-2005, 11:40 PM
This is all absolute bull****. It was a trap at best. The best replays show a bounce. Josh Paul blew it. Tag the ****ing batter and move on. Absolute bull****. Those of you saying we got a break are nuts.

Damn right. If there's even a shred of doubt you tag the batter. They got cocky thinking the inning was over and it cost them.

Iguana775
10-12-2005, 11:40 PM
This is all absolute bull****. It was a trap at best. The best replays show a bounce. Josh Paul blew it. Tag the ****ing batter and move on. Absolute bull****. Those of you saying we got a break are nuts.

exactly! Paul should have been taught that if there is ever a question, to tag the batter. The ump in the press conference said he never called him out...he just said it was a strike. if you see the replay, you can see that the ball bounced off the ground right before hitting the glove.

StockdaleForVeep
10-12-2005, 11:40 PM
Regardless, blame the angels not getting crede out. Maybe its just me but same with the boston\whitesox game when crede dropped the manny fly out, it was viz who gave up the hr next pitch

FielderJones
10-12-2005, 11:40 PM
That play is going to live in infamy. That play=Tom Brady tuck rule vs Oakland...

He was clearly out.

No, not clearly. There are angles of the play where the ball may have hit the dirt. The center field cam does not give the same perspective as the side view cam.

The_Floridian
10-12-2005, 11:40 PM
Grinder Ball Rule #183---Always apply the tag.

johnny_mostil
10-12-2005, 11:40 PM
Sounds like Eddings said that he called a strike, but that he didn't call the batter out, so therefore the play was still live. A reporter asked if it was customary for the catcher to tag the batter anyway, and Eddings said (paraphrasing) "yes, and that's why I was so surprised that he just threw the ball back to the mound."

McCarver was peeved because he was a catcher. Professional courtesy.

Of course they always tag the batter on splitters. Contrary to what McCarver said, he had no idea if he caught it clean because it was less than a tenth of an inch from the ground!

DrummerGeorgefan
10-12-2005, 11:41 PM
it bounced off the webbing of the glove....not making apologies though, just a former catcher who knows the type of catch that was made. often on splitters in the dirt you can get the webbing underneath the ball if you backhand it like Paul did...a mistake on his part to not tag him...that just routine

Juice16
10-12-2005, 11:41 PM
Only ESPN will make this a loss on the umpires. Even Black Jack said Cabreras slide into second that took out Iguchi, which led to the 3rd run was illegal. We have been screwed so many times this year that this is justice.

GeauxSox
10-12-2005, 11:41 PM
Bud Selig has called a news conference for 1:00 am.

Viva Medias B's
10-12-2005, 11:42 PM
I definitely think Paul trapped the ball which changed direction, and the latter was the basis of the umps' decision.

Jjav829
10-12-2005, 11:42 PM
Absolutely! Rowand was SAFE! Slapped plate before the tag!!


Not sure what you saw but Rowand was clearly out at the plate on that play.

dougs78
10-12-2005, 11:42 PM
The ball definitely bounced...the question is whether it bounced off of all leather, all dirt, or part dirt/part leather. From all angles and slow-mo's I've seen, there is simply no way to know which one actually happened. There is certainly no way the umpires on the field, with their viewpoints, could have any prayer of getting it absolutely "right." For that matter, I don't care about which one Fox or ESPN thinks happened...I only care about what did happen in the game. And by that definition, the ball didn't bounce off the leather webbing and this series is tied up 1-1.

Kudos to Crede for actually stepping up with a big RBI...its about time someone did.

Frankfan4life
10-12-2005, 11:42 PM
Nice to get a win before the day off. A strike out becomes the winning run? How fitting is that for this game? What a strange ending! Just weird! This one goes in the books.

Mark Buehrle was MASTERFUL a STUD! Most deserving of the win. Props to AJ, Ozuna and Crede!

Let's hope the Sox play better ball on the road and come ready to hit.

VivaOzzie
10-12-2005, 11:42 PM
Bud Selig has called a news conference for 1:00 am.

Please tell me this is supposed to be teal.

SoxFanSince67
10-12-2005, 11:43 PM
Not sure you saw but Rowand was clearly out at the plate on that play.

I'm not sure about that...

Norberto7
10-12-2005, 11:43 PM
It's a lot easier to take the Sox' offense looking bad when the Angels' offense looks just as bad! :rolleyes:

itsnotrequired
10-12-2005, 11:44 PM
Bud Selig has called a news conference for 1:00 am.

For what? The game is over.

SOXintheBURGH
10-12-2005, 11:44 PM
:tool


"Initiate Order 66."

Brian26
10-12-2005, 11:44 PM
2) Josh Paul is a world-class idiot for failing to apply the safety tag.

We knew this before tonight though :cool:

LuvSox
10-12-2005, 11:44 PM
it bounced off the webbing of the glove....not making apologies though, just a former catcher who knows the type of catch that was made. often on splitters in the dirt you can get the webbing underneath the ball if you backhand it like Paul did...a mistake on his part to not tag him...that just routine

Where is Daver????

Juice16
10-12-2005, 11:44 PM
I'm not sure about that...

I'm also not sure. Rowand was tagged on the elbow which means is entire forearm was ahead of the tag on the plate.

SABRSox
10-12-2005, 11:45 PM
Not sure you saw but Rowand was clearly out at the plate on that play.

Just like Crede was out at 2nd in the 8th. I know we all want the Sox to win, but let's not pretend to see things that aren't there.

VivaOzzie
10-12-2005, 11:45 PM
-I thought Rowand was out.
-I thought Crede was out.
-I thought AJ was safe...at first base.

-And I know Josh Paul is a moron.

stl_sox_fan
10-12-2005, 11:45 PM
Please tell me this is supposed to be teal.


So they are gonna do this like the George Brett pine tar game? We come back out tomorrow to play the 10th??

MushMouth
10-12-2005, 11:45 PM
Not sure you saw but Rowand was clearly out at the plate on that play.


I saw - I definitely think Rowand slapped home before the tag was applied... but close. Wasn't a game breaker at the time. Regardless, they can't turn this into a spoiled/controversial win without talking about the roll-block on Tadahito, the Rowand play etc... It's baseball, it was a close call and you move on.

FarWestChicago
10-12-2005, 11:47 PM
-I thought Rowand was out.
-I thought Crede was out.
-I thought AJ was safe...at first base.

-And I know Josh Paul is a moron.You are correct on all counts. :thumbsup:

GeauxSox
10-12-2005, 11:47 PM
Just Kidding... :D:

akingamongstmen
10-12-2005, 11:48 PM
The umps are standing pat. Inconclusive I believe I heard.
I think on the 100th replay you actually see Lee Harvey Oswald on the grassy knoll. Hmmmmm......

:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:

TheOldRoman
10-12-2005, 11:48 PM
Actually, I'll bet they're pissed and feel they got cheated. You can tell they're very mentally tough- don't expect that they'll be down after this.
Absolutely. Certain morons on this board who shall remain nameless rejoiced when the Angels beat NY and said this would be an "easy" series. :rolleyes:
No. These Angels are champions. They are a very good team, and Scoscia is a very good manager. They wont be demoralized, they will probably come out hungrier on Friday. The Sox better fly back to Boston and find their bats, because they are going to need to score more than 2 runs to win the next couple of games.

As for tonight, Crede came up clutch again, but the hero of the day was Buehrle. He made one mistake (albeit to a garbage hitter), but he pitched the game of his life. I was so upset in the ninth because I felt Buehrle would get the tough luck ND. I am so proud of him tonight, and so glad he got the W. What a game!

StockdaleForVeep
10-12-2005, 11:48 PM
6.05
A batter is out when_ (a) His fair or foul fly ball (other than a foul tip) is legally caught by a fielder; (b) A third strike is legally caught by the catcher; "Legally caught" means in the catcher's glove before the ball touches the ground

:tomatoaward
:tomatoaward

gosox3072
10-12-2005, 11:48 PM
Stolen or not......I DONT CARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

1-1 nuff said!

LETS WIN ON FRIDAY

:gulp: :gulp:
:supernana: :supernana: :supernana: :supernana: :supernana: :supernana: :supernana:

VivaOzzie
10-12-2005, 11:49 PM
Just Kidding... :D:

:tealtutor:

Ron Karkovice
10-12-2005, 11:49 PM
Lets take 2 out of 3 on the west coast and come back to the cell and finally have a champagne celebration at home. Hell, i'll even take another controversial win if it means a step closer to World Series Champions.

MushMouth
10-12-2005, 11:50 PM
Absolutely. Certain morons on this board who shall remain nameless rejoiced when the Angels beat NY and said this would be an "easy" series. :rolleyes:
No. These Angels are champions. They are a very good team, and Scoscia is a very good manager. They wont be demoralized, they will probably come out hungrier on Friday. The Sox better fly back to Boston and find their bats, because they are going to need to score more than 2 runs to win the next couple of games.

As for tonight, Crede came up clutch again, but the hero of the day was Buehrle. He made one mistake (albeit to a garbage hitter), but he pitched the game of his life. I was so upset in the ninth because I felt Buehrle would get the tough luck ND. I am so proud of him tonight, and so glad he got the W. What a game!


I'm already thinking about Garland... I hope he matches Buerhle tonight. He's obviously fresh, but I hope he gets into a groove. Already nervous for game three, and I'm 5 makers on the rocks into the night.

WinninUglee
10-12-2005, 11:50 PM
Kudos to Joe! After all.... AJ struck out :wink:

Hey, I'd rather be lucky than good ANYDAY!

I can't wait 'til Friday night!

Brian26
10-12-2005, 11:51 PM
Tong Graf, Josh Paul ... hopefully next ex-Sox to do us a favor is Cal Eldred of the Cards!

Or maybe Mr. LaRussa will make a mistake :D:

PAPChiSox729
10-12-2005, 11:51 PM
Stolen or not......I DONT CARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

1-1 nuff said!

LETS WIN ON FRIDAY

:gulp: :gulp:
:supernana: :supernana: :supernana: :supernana: :supernana: :supernana: :supernana:

Exactly. Even if it was a blown call, there was still a chance that the Sox would have won in extras. You have to cash in when given the chance. The Sox did just that.
:bandance:

SoxEd
10-12-2005, 11:52 PM
Bud Selig has called a news conference for 1:00 am.

Is he going to rob us of the win?

Even if we allow the umpiring call being wrong, and that we won 'due to an umpiring error', how many games are decided on blown calls all year anyway?
Loads and loads - you win some, and you lose some.

This 'blown call' was just very late in the game, that's all.

It would totally blow if MLB declare the game 'live' again, and we have to go back out for a tenth inning.

I MUST go to bed now, but I await news of Bud's PC with baited breath...

rwcescato
10-12-2005, 11:53 PM
JOE....CREDE!!

YYEEESSSS!!!!!!!:bandance: :bandance: :bandance:

What a job done by Crede, Ozuna, AJ. and of course Mark Burhle.
GO SOX!!!!!!!
Rich

Deuce
10-12-2005, 11:55 PM
Is he going to rob us of the win?

Even if we allow the umpiring call being wrong, and that we won 'due to an umpiring error', how many games are decided on blown calls all year anyway?
Loads and loads - you win some, and you lose some.

This 'blown call' was just very late in the game, that's all.

It would totally blow if MLB declare the game 'live' again, and we have to go back out for a tenth inning.

I MUST go to bed now, but I await news of Bud's PC with baited breath...

He was joking, though it wasn't in teal or funny.

mcfish
10-12-2005, 11:56 PM
Is he going to rob us of the win?

Even if we allow the umpiring call being wrong, and that we won 'due to an umpiring error', how many games are decided on blown calls all year anyway?
Loads and loads - you win some, and you lose some.

This 'blown call' was just very late in the game, that's all.

It would totally blow if MLB declare the game 'live' again, and we have to go back out for a tenth inning.

I MUST go to bed now, but I await news of Bud's PC with baited breath...He's going to talk about it and probably defend the umpires.

VivaOzzie
10-12-2005, 11:57 PM
****There Is No Press Conference****

Twas only a bad joke.

iamkoza
10-12-2005, 11:58 PM
Is it physically possible for the ball to change directions w/o hitting the ground? I dont remember the glove positon and whether or not it was possible to have the ball hit of the glove padding and jump up?

WinOrDyeTrying
10-12-2005, 11:58 PM
http://www.desk.nl/~hksteen/lexicon/Hyperventileren.GIF


Settle down, he was joking.

akingamongstmen
10-12-2005, 11:59 PM
This game will go down in infamy. The best part is that we'll be laughing all the way. Tomorrow's headlines are going to be priceless.

mike squires
10-12-2005, 11:59 PM
Why aren't we hearing more about this? I thought Crede was obviously safe. The tag wasn't close, and his hand reached the bag before the throw arrived.

Didn't have to tag him. IT was a force out and was IMO an excellent call by the ump. Joe's finger tips slide into the bag just after the ball hit the mit. It was bang bang, but was out.

but...WHO CARES. I'll take this win anyway we can get it.

infohawk
10-13-2005, 12:00 AM
Shoota probably thinks Crede's hit shouldn't count because of the questionable call on AJ.
:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:

SoxFan64
10-13-2005, 12:00 AM
Sure it something else. :wink:

SABRSox
10-13-2005, 12:00 AM
****There Is No Press Conference****

Twas only a bad joke.

Maybe Bud's going to Cell, er Sell...

Mendoza Line
10-13-2005, 12:00 AM
The umps are standing pat. Inconclusive I believe I heard.
I think on the 100th replay you actually see Lee Harvey Oswald on the grassy knoll. Hmmmmm......

After a win like that, I wouldn't have it any other way. Half the fun of this team is knowing you DESERVED that win while at the same time driving the media insane. :bandance: :bandance:

Brian26
10-13-2005, 12:01 AM
Even Black Jack said Cabreras slide into second that took out Iguchi, which led to the 3rd run was illegal. We have been screwed so many times this year that this is justice.

How was it illegal? Iguchi was standing right on top of 2nd base and is fortunate he's still got two legs attached to his torso today. That's the one thing Tadahito has had a really hard time picking up this year...trying to get out of the way or hopping over the sliding runner while turning the DP. In Japan, guys don't go into 2nd very hard, so he's not used to it. I thought the slide last night was pretty clean.

mike squires
10-13-2005, 12:01 AM
OK, I love baeball but I have to admit when it comes to the rules of the game I can sometimes be lost. Even if the ball hits the ground and the catcher hangs on to it (scoops it) Isn't it a K? I thought if it was only a DROPPED third strike the runner can attempt to run to first. ???????

infohawk
10-13-2005, 12:02 AM
Is this the play that introduces instant replay into MLB? Maybe...

The key question would be whether there was significant evidence to overturn the call on the field. At best, it may have been ruled inconclusive and the call would have stood.

JUribe1989
10-13-2005, 12:03 AM
Suck it Josh Paul.

Tag the ****ing runner if it's borderline. That's why you are on the other side and not with us.

jfinsocal
10-13-2005, 12:04 AM
I'm happy as can be but come on guys/gals, if this call went the other way this message board would be up in arms.

Anyway, take care of business in SoCal. I hope to be there for all three.

Hendu
10-13-2005, 12:04 AM
Comcast Sports Net just showed the best replay I've seen of the 3rd strike. The ball clearly hits the ground and bounces up into Paul's mitt. Good call by the ump.

Edit: Just wanted to add that it was so close and the call could have gone either way. Josh Paul HAS to tag the runner if it's even fairly close and he didn't. That's why he's the 3rd string catcher.

Nyls Nyman
10-13-2005, 12:05 AM
I'm happy as can be but come on guys/gals, if this call went the other way this message board would be up in arms.Nope, because either A.J. or Widger would have been a pro and tagged the batter out.

Jjav829
10-13-2005, 12:05 AM
I saw - I definitely think Rowand slapped home before the tag was applied... but close. Wasn't a game breaker at the time. Regardless, they can't turn this into a spoiled/controversial win without talking about the roll-block on Tadahito, the Rowand play etc... It's baseball, it was a close call and you move on.

You need to see it again. Rowand was out as was Crede. Let's not try to justify the controversial call with reasons like, "Yeah, well, they owed us for blowing another call." The calls on Rowand and Crede were right. The Pierzynski call; who knows. It doesn't seem like the networks are showing any super slow-motion or blown up shots yet. We'd need those to have a better idea of what is the right call.

Chisox003
10-13-2005, 12:06 AM
Tag the ****ing runner if it's borderline.
NO KIDDING!!!

IF IT's CLOSE, TAG HIM!!!

The umps DID NOT make escobar throw an 0-2 88MPH Fastball RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE TO CREDE

The umps DID NOT make Josh paul A) NOT TAG AJ, or B) NOT THROW OUT OZUNA!

Heads up by AJ running down to first, GREAT outing by Buehrle .... what a game!!!

BNLSox
10-13-2005, 12:06 AM
How was it illegal? Iguchi was standing right on top of 2nd base and is fortunate he's still got two legs attached to his torso today. That's the one thing Tadahito has had a really hard time picking up this year...trying to get out of the way or hopping over the sliding runner while turning the DP. In Japan, guys don't go into 2nd very hard, so he's not used to it. I thought the slide last night was pretty clean.

The slide was great. It was the little shove to his mid section afterwards that should have at least prompted a warning.

Man I'm starting to hate the angels and me thinks that stupid monkey ain't gonna help matters!

Rustyzipper
10-13-2005, 12:08 AM
woowww... and I thought this game was going to be closer...then it was. :)

A.J. won it.. he knew what was going on, and he gave us a WIN !

I`m so glad this ended like this, we have the Mojo back, and i`m so glad, they let us win......... I`m sure this will stay in there crawl for a long time.


GO SOX GO !!

SoxFan64
10-13-2005, 12:08 AM
Even if the ball hits the ground and the catcher hangs on to it (scoops it) Isn't it a K?

No, if it hits the ground it can be a third strike but not necessarily an out. Catcher has to catch it BEFORE it hits the ground.

I thought if it was only a DROPPED third strike the runner can attempt to run to first. ???????

By hitting the ground it is the same as a dropped ball third strike. Look at it the same way you would look at a catch out on the field. If the fielder catches the ball on the fly it is an out. If not, then the ball is alive and runners advance on their peril. I hope that helps.

BNLSox
10-13-2005, 12:09 AM
Yeah... ALL THIS CONTROVERSY WINS THE GAME TALK BY THE MEDIA IS SUCH BS!!!! It wasnt like Graf's error was the play that caused runs. Just like Josh's missed play tonight did not cause a run. Bad pitching failing to pick up errors in the field taken advantage of by clutch Sox hitting is the whole picture people.

This wasn't a bad way to win a game. Its just going to be war from here on out.
Man you were amazing tonight Buerhle. I'm hoping we win the next three so that you can start game 1 of the WS. You deserve it!!!

Mendoza Line
10-13-2005, 12:09 AM
Anyone notice Joe Buck call Ozzie Guillen "Ozzie Smith?" Well they caught the mistake and talked about Ozzie Smith for about 3 minutes.. then promptly called Juan Uribe "Iguchi." This was the 2nd or third inning.Tools.

MushMouth
10-13-2005, 12:09 AM
You need to see it again. Rowand was out as was Crede. Let's not try to justify the controversial call with reasons like, "Yeah, well, they owed us for blowing another call." The calls on Rowand and Crede were right. The Pierzynski call; who knows. It doesn't seem like the networks are showing any super slow-motion or blown up shots yet. We'd need those to have a better idea of what is the right call.

Crede was definitely out. Not saying they owed us, but on the replay, I saw Rowand getting in before the tag. They certainly didn't owe us, I also thought the ball bounced UP into the Paul's glove. Regardless

THAT'S A WHITE SOX WINNER!


(and that's I, you, us care about! :bandance:)

VivaOzzie
10-13-2005, 12:10 AM
Well, actually, noting the uncertainty principle, coupled with Einstein's 2nd and 3rd laws...

Josh Paul shouldve tagged him!!! :)

mike squires
10-13-2005, 12:11 AM
I hesitate to use the ***official*** thread but if you were there, let us now what the atmosphere was like...cool stories...etc. etc...Please post ONLY if you were there.

Jjav829
10-13-2005, 12:13 AM
The key question would be whether there was significant evidence to overturn the call on the field. At best, it may have been ruled inconclusive and the call would have stood.

Agreed. Even if MLB did have Instant Replay with NFL type rules in place, there wouldn't be indisputable evidence to overturn the call. I doubt this call leads to any replay system, but I do think it could lead to a chance in the way umpires call dropped third strikes. As has been pointed out, Eddings' mechanism for a strike is basically the same as for an out. I wonder how the umpires will handle this in the future. I would think Eddings in particular would make a change.

VivaOzzie
10-13-2005, 12:14 AM
I have the perfect way to celebrate this win. Lets throw....A BOAT PARTY!!

Wait...bad idea :tongue:

koch44
10-13-2005, 12:14 AM
:hawk

I luv watching the Umps explanation!

:bandance::gulp::)

fuzzy_patters
10-13-2005, 12:15 AM
First off, my hand hurts from when it hit the ceiling fan, and I lost my voice from screaming, "Joe Crede!", which made my baby cry.

You had to know Crede would come through eventually. I told my wife last night that Crede would win a game for us before the series was over. Then, in the ninth inning tonight, I told her that we just needed one base runner so that Crede would bat. Joe is so clutch! Of course, there is no such thing as clutch hitting. It is all a figment of our imaginations. They said on Comcast that Joe is hitting .465 since September 10 after the sixth. He is freaking awesome! I have a total man crush on Joe Crede. I think I am going to tape a Crede's Crew sign to the front of my house.

As for the A.J. play, I thought it was clear from one of the side views that the ball changed directions before Paul caught it. However, Fox conveniently only showed that view one time.

Even if Paul did catch the ball, Fox is extremely biased. If Derek Jeter had been in A.J. Pierzynski's shoes, McCarver would have been screaming about what great gamesmanship it was to run to first when the umpire was screened from the ball. However, when it is the Sox we must have stolen the game.

mike squires
10-13-2005, 12:16 AM
No, if it hits the ground it can be a third strike but not necessarily an out. Catcher has to catch it BEFORE it hits the ground.



By hitting the ground it is the same as a dropped ball third strike. Look at it the same way you would look at a catch out on the field. If the fielder catches the ball on the fly it is an out. If not, then the ball is alive and runners advance on their peril. I hope that helps.

You would think someone who played the game growing up and watching it for a better part of 25 years, I would know that...Thanks for the explination...

mikesouthside
10-13-2005, 12:16 AM
On a strike 3 ball caught, if there is ANY dispute, either tag the batter or throw to first...ha. Did they really say he was writing a book? Man that will be a best seller. GO SOX !!!