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MrRoboto83
10-10-2005, 12:18 PM
check this article out from Yahoo sports


http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AukFNq2jiQOBmwTtOX_bE6o5nYcB?slug=ap-jimlitke&prov=ap&type=lgns

Erik The Red
10-10-2005, 12:20 PM
check this article out from Yahoo sports


http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AukFNq2jiQOBmwTtOX_bE6o5nYcB?slug=ap-jimlitke&prov=ap&type=lgns
I won't be an ass like some people, but you should really post things like this in "What's the Score?"

MrRoboto83
10-10-2005, 12:22 PM
I thought witht he stuff on Ozzie it belonged in here, seemed so anyways, the mods will put it were they want

mjharrison72
10-10-2005, 12:22 PM
I saw this, too, and was equally infuriated.

Everyone knows any team that isn't called the New York Yankees, Boston Red Sox or Chicago Cubs is completely devoid of tradition.

:rolleyes:

ChicagoHoosier
10-10-2005, 12:31 PM
Not sure why this crap is even published on Yahoo. What purpose does this article serve?

tstrike2000
10-10-2005, 12:31 PM
Oh well, just another article pointing out past things that happened in the franchise that are either irrevelant or just innapropriate. Sounds to me it's just another writer who belongs in the "tool" box.

SOXintheBURGH
10-10-2005, 12:31 PM
I saw this, too, and was equally infuriated.

Everyone knows any team that isn't called the New York Yankees, Boston Red Sox or Chicago Cubs is completely devoid of tradition.

:rolleyes:
:moron
"What about the tradition of assaulting people on the field!?"

Erik The Red
10-10-2005, 12:31 PM
Not sure why this crap is even published on Yahoo. What purpose does this article serve?
Filler.

MrRoboto83
10-10-2005, 12:33 PM
It is an AP article too, so it will be everywhere.



Tradition-less White Sox await winner......it actually says that on Yahoo sport page!!

DenverSock
10-10-2005, 12:39 PM
:angry: Anybody know where Litke lives?

rdwj
10-10-2005, 12:45 PM
My guess - this is a Red Sox fan that's got his panties in a bunch because our boys just got done bitch-slapping his media darling, lack-luster, over-hyped loser team.

Erik The Red
10-10-2005, 12:52 PM
:angry: Anybody know where Litke lives?
:tealpolice:

Deuce
10-10-2005, 01:12 PM
:whatever:

If keeping Carey and being on WGN would have made this team into what the Cubs are today, I would not be a fan. I love the Sox for what they are, and what the Wrong Sox and Scrubs are not. If that means the victory party will be small, then so be it. I'd rather that only fans celebrate the victory anyway. After all, we are the ones who suffered along with this team during the bad times. It's our victory to celebrate and cherish.

Cat Thief
10-10-2005, 01:20 PM
:whatever:

After all, we are the ones who suffered along with this team during the bad times. It's our victory to celebrate and cherish.

:cheers:

Well said.

The_Floridian
10-10-2005, 01:28 PM
I actually tried writing to the guy to tell him that this was exceptionally lazy journalism, written by someone who didn't even bother to learn anythign about the subject he was covering. Made me feel better, although I think, like a lot of sportswriters, he's already filed it under "Well at least I get paid for it" and moved on to the next thing.

That's the problem with sportswriters. Too many of them are just too damn lazy.

pudge
10-10-2005, 01:28 PM
This is so offensive, right during the heat of the playoffs. Did he not see the ALCS sell out in 30 minutes?? Does he not see that World Series tickets are being scalped in Chicago for much higher than any other city?


jlitke@ap.org

Email the b@stard!

The Dude
10-10-2005, 01:34 PM
I just sent him an email with my thoughts. Should be interesting if I get a response.

cheeses_h_rice
10-10-2005, 02:07 PM
I'm confused. Somebody, help me out: what exactly is the Cubs' tradition? Losing?

Is that really a tradition to "rally around"?

:?:

Uncle_Patrick
10-10-2005, 02:14 PM
This is what he cites as "tradition":

1) Books on the teams history
2) Celebrity fans
3) Painful losses

He says the White Sox do not have enough of any of these things. If we use this as the criteria for "tradition", then the only baseball teams that have tradition would be the Yankees, Red Sox, and Cubs, and maybe the Brooklyn Dodgers.

1951Campbell
10-10-2005, 02:38 PM
Gee, I bet Randy Johnson read that article and said "wow, I guess that ring I got in 2001 doesn't really count, because the D-Backs were an expansion team with no traditions, heart-breaking series losses or celebrity fans."


And I bet Curt Schilling just realized only his Red Sox ring counts.

And I bet the 2003 Marlins...

itsnotrequired
10-10-2005, 02:55 PM
Gee, I bet Randy Johnson read that article and said "wow, I guess that ring I got in 2001 doesn't really count, because the D-Backs were an expansion team with no traditions, heart-breaking series losses or celebrity fans."


And I bet Curt Schilling just realized only his Red Sox ring counts.

And I bet the 2003 Marlins...

And I bet the 1969 Mets...
And I bet the 1992 Blue Jays...
And I bet the...

TDog
10-10-2005, 03:57 PM
:whatever:

If keeping Carey and being on WGN would have made this team into what the Cubs are today, I would not be a fan. I love the Sox for what they are, and what the Wrong Sox and Scrubs are not. If that means the victory party will be small, then so be it. I'd rather that only fans celebrate the victory anyway. After all, we are the ones who suffered along with this team during the bad times. It's our victory to celebrate and cherish.

The Harry Caray thing has been the subject of numerous (not sure exactly what the number is) WSI threads. Harry Caray was a different announcer with the Cubs, agreeing, for the big bucks, to be a company man, something he wasn't when he did Sox games. But questioning the Harry Caray point is minor compared to my gripes about the column. If this column looks familiar, it is because you have read it before. How much work must it have taken to rewrite the Tribune company line?

The WGN premise is garbage, considering that other nationally popular teams don't have all their games nationally televised (something the Cubs don't even have anymore). Consider that the Atlanta Braves have been in more cable markets than the Cubs, for a time broadcasting all of their games and running replays of the games. No one cares about the Braves. Where is the legion of Braves fans heartbroken with their yet-another-failure in the postseason? With only a couple of trips to the World Series after 14 straight division titles, there has to be some sort of curse. Or maybe not. Babe Ruth finished his career with the Boston Braves and Henry Aaron finished his career with the Atlanta Braves. It's not like there isn't a tradition. If there were a fun curse, maybe people would care.

When I used to go to games in Anaheim, there were always a lot of Sox fans, transplanted Chicagoans to be sure, but transplanted Chicagoans are everywhere. There are Sox fans coming out of every corner of the country now, energized with the team's success after being beaten down, refusing to celebrate losing seasons as being part of a "tradition."

You have to cut sports journalists some slack, of course. This guy has a job where he doesn't even have to work for a living, and he obviously didn't care to do any work here. He is out of touch when it comes to baseball fans. The last time Jim Litke had to pay to get into a game, the most expensive seats at Old Comiskey probably cost $3.50.

I can only imagine the scornful chuckle that would come out of him if confronted with the noting that White Sox fans deserve more respect than his latest column.

Heffalump
10-10-2005, 04:08 PM
Wow.........Will this garbage ever stop?

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=At0kPwLkzHLer3W02QobKhYRvLYF?slug=ap-jimlitke&prov=ap&type=lgns

boiler up
10-10-2005, 04:12 PM
everyone write him an email


show him that there is no white sox nation, but a white sox ARMY

jlitke@ap.org

TornLabrum
10-10-2005, 04:13 PM
Gee, this is at least the third thread on this subject. Try the ****** search feature!

Stroker Ace
10-10-2005, 04:27 PM
Looks like another mediot jumped on the anti-Sox bandwagon.

Hendu
10-10-2005, 07:55 PM
This is just such a horrible example of journalism,

The writer states: "Anybody looking for the White Sox Nation is going to need more than a map. For one thing, the team barely owns its own neighborhood."


No supporting evidence; I guess we're supposed to take that statement at face value because Jim Litke provided such extensive research and insight.


Half the frigging article are quotes from some guy named Mike DeBonis who apparently writes for "Washington City Paper." :?:


What these mopes don't understand is that our "rallying force" doesn't have to be books, celebrities or painful losses. Our rallying force is constantly being ridiculed, put down and overlooked by these bastions of journalistic integrity.


The more they tell us we should be embarassed to be Sox fans, the more proud I am to be a Sox fan. So when our team wins it all, it will be for us, not for corporate entities who make DVDs and sell books or the camera-hungry celebrities. I'd have it no other way.

wassagstdu
10-10-2005, 09:18 PM
This is the the most ridiculous hatchet job I can recall:
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-jimlitke&prov=ap&type=lgns

To paraphrase Harry Caray: He's a Cub fan -- and a dud, man.

You think somebody actually pays this jerk to write?

EDIT: Search function. UHHH. Good idea.

Brian26
10-10-2005, 09:23 PM
The guy deserves any evil that happens to befall upon him based on how he makes fun of Ozzie's "lilting, broken" English when he quotes Ozzie without correcting the subject-verb tense: "Venezuala love us." What a bitch.

slavko
10-10-2005, 09:25 PM
He was the sidekick on the mid-day show at One-on-One Sports (now Sporting News Radio) a few years back. The lead personality:Jay Mariotti. That's called contamination by association. Otherwise I think he is the Chicago-based contact for Associated Press.

ode to veeck
10-10-2005, 10:58 PM
Jim Litke put out an AP article today that is just about the worst thing ever written on the Sox. It doesn't even have any original material or facts, and relies heavily on a post someone wrote an another web site in August for much it's content.

According to Jim, the White Sox have no romance, no traditions, no fans in the US (only Venezuela) and "nothing to rally around"

Here's today's AP piece: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051010/ap_on_sp_ba_ne/bba_jim_litke;_ylt=AthAjLk7T56bZxol7EqmyKELMxIF;_y lu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl


here's the original web article from August at slate.com by Mike Debonis that apparently was the entire basis of Mr. Litke's thorough research into this topic. Hard to believe Mr. Debonis considers himself a Sox fan!?!

http://www.slate.com/id/2124605/


You can forward your opinions on Mr Litke's well thought out and accurate coverage to him via email at: jlitke@ap.org

lumpyspun
10-10-2005, 11:05 PM
yea, i already wrote that guy....if anyone cares here is what I wrote to him:

Jim,

I think its great that the white sox don't have fans b/c I paid over $700 to fly from Seattle to Chicago to watch game 2. There were only 4,000 fans at the game so it was no problem getting a ticket. Also, I didn't see on tv all the White Sox fans that showed up at Fenway to celebrate after the game down by the field with the players.

I hope the White Sox 'neighborhood' doesn't clog up in your inbox,

Dan

34rancher
10-10-2005, 11:25 PM
Here is mine:
Good thing that sports are played on the field and not in the media. Last time I checked I would rather have more wins per fan than fans per win. Who needs a nation when I have a village? Nations are influenced by political drivel, villages see through the crap because we all know everyones business already. You can take your nation and enjoy it, I'll enjoy my playoffs.

The Wall
10-10-2005, 11:49 PM
He heard from me as well.

antitwins13
10-10-2005, 11:51 PM
Well, he's right we have no nation, but we do have Sox Army!

BeviBall!
10-10-2005, 11:53 PM
My reply:

"What's the matter? They give the pet of the month article to someone else this week?"

gf2020
10-10-2005, 11:56 PM
If this feels like a What's the Score? thread, that's because it already is one:

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=59496

Hitmen77
10-10-2005, 11:58 PM
Why is the media suddenly so obsessed with a "lack of a White Sox Nation"? I never heard anyone ever question the absence of a Angels Nation or an Astros Nation. News flash: The Marlins won the 2003 World Series - but there is no Marlins Nation! Likewise for Diamondbacks (2001 champs).

This whole "Nation" business is just plain STUPID. Just the latest stupid obsession by a Red Sox/Cubs/Yankees-centric media.

schmitty9800
10-11-2005, 12:01 AM
You're right; the White Sox don't have a nation--of idiot fairweather national sportswriters touting the "mystique" of their ballclub. Take the Yankees, Red Sox, and Cubs; I'll keep watching the team that I grew up with and love.

I think it sums up my feelings pretty well.

Also, anyone who gets their baseball knowledge from Slate is an idiot. Here's one from last year declaring that the reason the Astros haven't won yet is that they're cursed. http://www.slate.com/id/2108575/

henchmanUK
10-11-2005, 06:34 AM
Does Litke still host a radio show with Mariotti?

ode to veeck
10-11-2005, 08:21 AM
Sorry, I didn't see the original threads on this, what a tool nonetheless

Fenway
10-11-2005, 11:39 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/sports/AP-BBA-Jim-Litke.html

CHICAGO (AP) -- Anybody looking for the White Sox (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/sports/baseball/majorleague/chicagowhitesox/index.html?inline=nyt-org) Nation is going to need more than a map. For one thing, the team barely owns its own neighborhood.
For another, the White Sox don't offer enough tradition, romance, celebrities or even anguish for most tortured souls to latch onto. With the Red Sox (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/sports/baseball/majorleague/bostonredsox/index.html?inline=nyt-org) shedding their lovable loser tag a year ago, the Cubs (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/sports/baseball/majorleague/chicagocubs/index.html?inline=nyt-org) have that market cornered in Chicago and beyond.

And third, even if there is such a thing as a White Sox nation, it's probably Venezuela. It's one of the few countries south of the city limits where baseball is bigger than futbol and the Cuban national team isn't the hands-down favorite.

Uncle_Patrick
10-11-2005, 11:44 AM
http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=59496

batmanZoSo
10-11-2005, 11:58 AM
I agree that there's no "White Sox Nation." But not for the reasons listed above. Just because we're not a bunch of freakin @#$%^s.

(you can guess what's behind the censor, but I can tell you it's alliterative with the word preceding it :wink: )

JB98
10-11-2005, 02:26 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/sports/AP-BBA-Jim-Litke.html

CHICAGO (AP) -- Anybody looking for the White Sox (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/sports/baseball/majorleague/chicagowhitesox/index.html?inline=nyt-org) Nation is going to need more than a map. For one thing, the team barely owns its own neighborhood.
For another, the White Sox don't offer enough tradition, romance, celebrities or even anguish for most tortured souls to latch onto. With the Red Sox (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/sports/baseball/majorleague/bostonredsox/index.html?inline=nyt-org) shedding their lovable loser tag a year ago, the Cubs (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/sports/baseball/majorleague/chicagocubs/index.html?inline=nyt-org) have that market cornered in Chicago and beyond.

And third, even if there is such a thing as a White Sox nation, it's probably Venezuela. It's one of the few countries south of the city limits where baseball is bigger than futbol and the Cuban national team isn't the hands-down favorite.


I'm sorry that we don't offer enough tradition, romance, celebrities or anguish for the national media's liking. But you want to know something else?

WE. DON'T. CARE.

RKMeibalane
10-11-2005, 02:28 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/sports/AP-BBA-Jim-Litke.html

CHICAGO (AP) -- Anybody looking for the White Sox (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/sports/baseball/majorleague/chicagowhitesox/index.html?inline=nyt-org) Nation is going to need more than a map. For one thing, the team barely owns its own neighborhood.
For another, the White Sox don't offer enough tradition, romance, celebrities or even anguish for most tortured souls to latch onto. With the Red Sox (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/sports/baseball/majorleague/bostonredsox/index.html?inline=nyt-org) shedding their lovable loser tag a year ago, the Cubs (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/sports/baseball/majorleague/chicagocubs/index.html?inline=nyt-org) have that market cornered in Chicago and beyond.

And third, even if there is such a thing as a White Sox nation, it's probably Venezuela. It's one of the few countries south of the city limits where baseball is bigger than futbol and the Cuban national team isn't the hands-down favorite.

The Red Sox aren't the Lovable Losers, and never were. For the life of me, I cannot understand why people think the Red Sox and the Cubs are one and the same. The Red Sox are the equivalent of that kid who always finished in second or third place in the 100-yard dash, but could never win it. The Cubs represent the kid who always finished last, and liked it. If I were a Red Sox fan, I would be insanely pissed at how the media has linked two completely different franchises together like this. Sheesh!

And, for the record, of course the White Sox don't have a nation. We have an army, an army that's going to take over the other nations.

elrod
10-11-2005, 02:34 PM
Was the Sportsvision thing really that bad of a boondoggle? I lived in New Jersey at the time and I remember the Mets games going to Sportschannel and Yankee games going to MSG - both on cable. Sportschannel was an extra pay channel, too, and you got home Islander games (they were great then) and Devils and Nets (they stunk). I've never heard of it ruining the fan base of either team. Then again, the Mets became the winningest team in baseball after 1984, and the Yankees always competed with Mattingley and co.

Hangar18
10-11-2005, 02:49 PM
What a stupid story. AP put this out? Hes implying the SOX have no fans huh? He shouldve been in KC, July of 03. Sox fans were in force that series. He shouldve also been in LA in June of 03 for the games against the Dodgers. Sox fans were really in force at those games too. OH WAIT ......AP was too busy covering the Cubs & Yankees. Too many Whos-pizza-is-better-Chicago-NewYork fluff pieces. The comparisons of each cities cultures, food, fans, urban myths was SICKENING. No wonder the Media thinks we have no fans ..........theyre TOO BUSY covering the Yankees, RedSox and Cubs

samram
10-11-2005, 02:49 PM
For another, the White Sox don't offer enough tradition, romance, celebrities or even anguish for most tortured souls to latch onto.

That's fine by me. I don't want my team's fandom to be defined by the criminally ****ing stupid.

Cat Thief
10-11-2005, 03:05 PM
Excellent!

I'm hoping this White Sox Nation crap does not catch on. The fewer the merrier for me.

Madvora
10-11-2005, 04:29 PM
Not sure why this crap is even published on Yahoo. What purpose does this article serve?
Calling it an audition for a job at the Cubune, seems to fit perfectly.