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spongyfungy
10-03-2005, 05:29 PM
Anyone listen to gamenight last night around 9 PM? It was Gottlieb and someone else. This other guy was saying it's unfair to the teams that deserve the coverage like the White Sox and Cardinals but ESPN has a preference to show mostly the east coast team in sportscenter etc.

Then Gottlieb gives a reason about the east coast bias after he admitted it : most of ESPN's audience which is 66%, resides on the east coast so they have reason to favor the teams. The other guy then says "east coast includes Florida, Carolina, but that you can't deny the fact that Sportscenter puts those highlights of the NY Giants, NY Jets, Yanks, Mets, Rangers a bit higher on the reel than other teams.

No word if this other guy is fired yet. I'll have to keep checking espnradio.com for the archive but some clips of him and gottlieb talking to Varitek and some other guys are on that site : http://espnradio.espn.go.com/espnradio/show?showId=gamenight

likeawarlord
10-03-2005, 07:03 PM
Anyone listen to gamenight last night around 9 PM? It was Gottlieb and someone else. This other guy was saying it's unfair to the teams that deserve the coverage like the White Sox and Cardinals but ESPN has a preference to show mostly the east coast team in sportscenter etc.

Then Gottlieb gives a reason about the east coast bias after he admitted it : most of ESPN's audience which is 66%, resides on the east coast so they have reason to favor the teams. The other guy then says "east coast includes Florida, Carolina, but that you can't deny the fact that Sportscenter puts those highlights of the NY Giants, NY Jets, Yanks, Mets, Rangers a bit higher on the reel than other teams.

No word if this other guy is fired yet. I'll have to keep checking espnradio.com for the archive but some clips of him and gottlieb talking to Varitek and some other guys are on that site : http://espnradio.espn.go.com/espnradio/show?showId=gamenight

i'm so sick of the booyah network.

seanpmurphy
10-03-2005, 07:15 PM
ESPN claims the White Sox haven't won a post-season series since 1917....so did how did we manage to get to the World Series in 1959? Every other AL team disappeared for a month and we got lucky? Someone please clear this up for someone who wasn't born until 24 years later. Thanks all.

Daver
10-03-2005, 07:20 PM
In 1959 the post season consisted of the World Series, their was no playoff games.

seanpmurphy
10-03-2005, 07:23 PM
In 1959 the post season consisted of the World Series, their was no playoff games.

Ok thanks. Still, it's bad reporting by ESPN, but what was I supposed to expect?

MarySwiss
10-03-2005, 07:39 PM
In 1959 the post season consisted of the World Series, their was no playoff games.

Daver, I agree; their statement is true, but still somewhat misleading in this day and age. Playoff games began in 1969, I believe, so if they wanted to be completely factual (ha!), they would refer to the Sox as "not having won a postgame series since 1969." Or not having won a World Series since 1917.

HotelWhiteSox
10-03-2005, 10:19 PM
Anyone listen to gamenight last night around 9 PM? It was Gottlieb and someone else. This other guy was saying it's unfair to the teams that deserve the coverage like the White Sox and Cardinals but ESPN has a preference to show mostly the east coast team in sportscenter etc.

Then Gottlieb gives a reason about the east coast bias after he admitted it : most of ESPN's audience which is 66%, resides on the east coast so they have reason to favor the teams. The other guy then says "east coast includes Florida, Carolina, but that you can't deny the fact that Sportscenter puts those highlights of the NY Giants, NY Jets, Yanks, Mets, Rangers a bit higher on the reel than other teams.

No word if this other guy is fired yet. I'll have to keep checking espnradio.com for the archive but some clips of him and gottlieb talking to Varitek and some other guys are on that site : http://espnradio.espn.go.com/espnradio/show?showId=gamenight

Yes, I heard this! The other guy was Steve Bunin, usually an ESPNEWS anchor, and he was right on target! He said that the stories should be reported in order of who earns it (such as Sox and Cardinals with best record), that a Red Sox/Yankees was broadcasted wayyyy too many times by ESPN, and that even if the ratings show the East Coasts watches ESPN the most, that includes cities other than Boston and NY!

This Bunin guy was great, as he was also on target with the White Sox discussion, as the other guy (who does college coverage) was the typical ESPN guy who said we would get blown out because of the offense of the Red Sox and used every generality against the Sox that is known to man.

samram
10-03-2005, 10:39 PM
Daver, I agree; their statement is true, but still somewhat misleading in this day and age. Playoff games began in 1969, I believe, so if they wanted to be completely factual (ha!), they would refer to the Sox as "not having won a postgame series since 1969." Or not having won a World Series since 1917.

Ok, look, I detest the Booyah network as much as anyone else here, but they're being accurate in this case. The Sox haven't won a postseason series since 1917. I don't even know what a "postgame series" is.

JorgeFabregas
10-03-2005, 11:25 PM
I wonder why their ratings are stronger on the east coast? Are there no sports fans with cable in other places? Or could it be that their long-standing bias turns off people from other areas? :happybday

samram
10-03-2005, 11:29 PM
I wonder why their ratings are stronger on the east coast? Are there no sports fans with cable in other places? Or could it be that their long-standing bias turns off people from other areas? :happybday

No, they're just based there and instead of stepping back and seeing the big picture, they've decided to pool their resources close to home and focus attention on things happening close to where their resources are.

Nellie_Fox
10-03-2005, 11:30 PM
Prior to divisional play, the World Series was "the postseason," as Daver has correctly pointed out, so ESPN, despite their many faults, is absolutely correct in saying that the Sox haven't won a postseason series since 1917.

There are a lot of things about ESPN and their coverage of the Sox to get upset about (I'll never forgive them for not even acknowledging the existence of the Sox when they did Illinois in their "Sportscenter, 50 states in 50 days" bit) but this isn't one of them.

gobears1987
10-04-2005, 12:15 AM
ESPN claims the White Sox haven't won a post-season series since 1917....so did how did we manage to get to the World Series in 1959? Every other AL team disappeared for a month and we got lucky? Someone please clear this up for someone who wasn't born until 24 years later. Thanks all.

They haven't won one since 1917. Up until 1969, there were no divisions so there was no need for playoff rounds besides the World Series. 1969 saw the addition of the ALCS and the 1990s saw the addition of the ALDS when they created the Central and Wildcard.

elrod
10-04-2005, 01:09 AM
I've never been one to harp on ESPN for its "East Coast bias', mostly because I'm from the East Coast originally, and I've always found Midwestern provincialism to be as annoying as East Coast elitism. But the coverage of the Red Sox-Yankee series this weekend was downright silly. Because of what the White Sox did to Cleveland, the Boston-NY series was basically meaningless. And after the first game of the White Sox-Indian series, the Boston-New York series had very little drama whatsoever. Yet, you'd think it was the ALCS the way they were covering it. Frankly, the collapse of the Indians down the stretch was the real baseball story in the final week. They should have focused on that, and what the young Indians accomplished this year, and not the same tired old AL East rivalry that only mattered because Cleveland made such a run.

DSpivack
10-04-2005, 01:28 AM
I don't see too much of an East Coast bias.
Because I don't watch too much ESPN!

Tragg
10-04-2005, 07:59 AM
Don't forget the month-long hype in March about the opening week bocub/yankee series.
it's ridiculous.

MiamiSpartan
10-04-2005, 09:06 AM
On "Pardon the Interuption" last night, one of the anchors actually said that the whole country was pulling for a Red Sox/Yankee series. Talk about arrogance...

eriqjaffe
10-04-2005, 09:56 AM
On "Pardon the Interuption" last night, one of the anchors actually said that the whole country was pulling for a Red Sox/Yankee series. Talk about arrogance...He was referring to the whole country, circa 1779!

I don't even know what a "postgame series" is.
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