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SOX ADDICT '73
09-30-2005, 11:04 AM
Found this little nugget hiding in the Tempo section of the Trib:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/features/chi-0509290340sep30,1,4533170.story

Germany's favorite pastime is soccer (one lawn, two goals, 22 men and one ball, just FYI). When we go to the soccer stadium, we cheer, sing some songs about our team (usually nice ones) and some songs about the other team (usually not so nice ones). Arriving at Cellular Field, thought that we were at the wrong place, some theater play or a funeral -- so silent was everybody. The Sox, I thought, should immediately dissolve the audience and order another.
And next to us, there was this man sitting, scribbling something down on his lap -- bored by the game, I figured, doing last Sunday paper's crossword...Kevin explained to me, these people were keeping track of the game, marking down strikes and outs and everything. Germans may be bean counters in many a sense, but when we're at the soccer stadium, we actually only care about who's winning -- and, maybe, about who scored the goals, but that's rather something for the sophisticates. When we flip open the after-game day sports section, we want to see some dramatic pictures, read some juicy quotes -- but we don't do this data porn U.S. papers do. Maybe it's the success thing: Since achievement is so important in American society -- and what better measure for success is there than numbers? -- maybe that's why you find sports statistics so sexy. Anyway, after a sudden outbreak of emotion, Cellular Field fell into silence again, the only thing to be heard was the scrawling of the pencils, so we took a stroll around the ballpark.
Sure, I can wear my favorite sports team's jersey back in Germany -- at night, in bed, when lights are low and my girlfriend's not at home. But otherwise I wouldn't dare to publicly express my affection for a specific sports team. Too uncool a thing, I suppose. Here, however, just about everybody lets the world know whom his heart beats for -- be it on bumper stickers, coffee mugs or jerseys.
What a condescending piece of tripe! Great job of perpetuating the stereotype of Europeans being haughty, indignant of American culture and, well, stupid. He doesn't say which of the three games he attended, but he mentioned the Sox scoring "two points", so we know it wasn't Wednesday, and the other two games were among the most exciting of the season.

Actually, I'm stunned he didn't beg to be brought to the Shrine, but then he would have had to write something positive, which seems to run contrary to his nature.

Rocky Soprano
09-30-2005, 11:12 AM
Is soccer even a sport?

Baby Fisk
09-30-2005, 11:15 AM
http://simpsoncrazy.com/burns/media/grabpics/3.gif
"OOOOOOO! DID YOU HEAR THAT? THE GERMANS DON'T LIKE US!
OOOOOOOOO THE GERMANS! I'M SO SCARED OF THE GERMANS!"

DumpJerry
09-30-2005, 11:20 AM
Quote:

Sure, I can wear my favorite sports team's jersey back in Germany -- at night, in bed, when lights are low and my girlfriend's not at home. But otherwise I wouldn't dare to publicly express my affection for a specific sports team. Too uncool a thing, I suppose. Here, however, just about everybody lets the world know whom his heart beats for -- be it on bumper stickers, coffee mugs or jerseys.
In Europe they kill people for wearing the wrong team's jersey. Americans are more civilized.

SOXPHILE
09-30-2005, 11:42 AM
Truth is stranger than fiction. A couple of months ago, one of our fellow WSI members posted a mock article that could appear in the Tribune. In it, he writes about 2 visitors from Denmark visiting Wrigley and U.S. Cellular on the same day, accompanied by a Trib staff member. Their experiences at Wrigley would be great, fun, sunny, lots of fans, drinking, leaving early, etc. Then they go to U.S. Cellular, and they are scared, the fans are scary, they have a bad experience, and can't wait to get back to their hotel. It was funny stuff. Who knew that he would actually be foreshadowing an ACTUAL column in the Tribune written in the same vein. Ahhh the Tribune..Gotta love 'em.

miker
09-30-2005, 12:00 PM
If Europe is so cool, why did my ancestors leave it about 100 years ago?

Gavin
09-30-2005, 12:08 PM
If Europe is so cool, why did my ancestors leave it about 100 years ago?

I nominate this post for "Intelligent Contribution of the Day".

C-Dawg
09-30-2005, 12:45 PM
Arriving at Cellular Field.....

At least he didn't call it Cellular Park like Brad Palmer does.

eriqjaffe
09-30-2005, 12:49 PM
Kevin explained to me, these people were keeping track of the game, marking down strikes and outs and everything. Germans may be bean counters in many a sense, but when we're at the soccer stadium, we actually only care about who's winning -- and, maybe, about who scored the goals, but that's rather something for the sophisticates.Hey, did he just say that Sox fans are sophisticated?

Dick Allen
09-30-2005, 01:12 PM
Yeah, the jerk can't wait to look at all the dramatic pictures in the paper of the soccer game. Must be thrilling, those 1-0 games and scoreless ties.

Baby Fisk
09-30-2005, 01:26 PM
Yeah, the jerk can't wait to look at all the dramatic pictures in the paper of the soccer game. Must be thrilling, those 1-0 games and scoreless ties.Does he not realize the correlation:

BORING GAME = fans need to entertain themselves by singing

EXCITING GAME = fans already entertained

Gavin
09-30-2005, 01:30 PM
This European was trying to understand baseball as a sport and not as the American tradition and legacy that it truly is. It's amusing how he pokes fun at the analytics/statheads while his whole article is extremely analytical.

PaleHoseGeorge
09-30-2005, 01:38 PM
It's pompous dopes like this one that give soccer a bad reputation in the United States. I'm sure he looks down his nose at England's football hooligans, but he does at least as much damage to the sports reputation in America writing such pap as this.

Big surprise that the Cubune hired him as an intern, too.

:cool:

Tekijawa
09-30-2005, 02:40 PM
If Europe is so cool, why did my ancestors leave it about 100 years ago?

Maybe they were KICKED OUT! NERD! :redneck

I keed I keed!

Ol' No. 2
09-30-2005, 02:57 PM
Of course no one ever keeps score at a soccer game. What's there to write down?

First quarter: passed the ball back and forth, no scoring
Second quarter: passed the back and forth, no scoring
Third quarter: passed the ball back and forth, no scoring
Fourth quarter: passed the ball back and forth, no scoring

They sing songs to keep themselves awake.

eriqjaffe
09-30-2005, 03:01 PM
For the record, soccer has two 45-minute halves, not 4 quarters.

Other than that, you're pretty much dead on.

kaufsox
09-30-2005, 03:07 PM
This European was trying to understand baseball as a sport and not as the American tradition and legacy that it truly is. It's amusing how he pokes fun at the analytics/statheads while his whole article is extremely analytical.

and the amount of stats kept at soccer matches is just as mnd boggling as a baseball game. possesion, free kicks, corners, etc. What is sad is that he can't even see how much the games anc sporting cultures have in common, he only focuses on the differences. Personally, I would love it if we sang more at games, but really, Americans aren't much for singing.

Hitmen77
09-30-2005, 03:07 PM
Well, well, the day after the Sox clinch it, the CUBune runs some article about how some jerk was bored and the crowd was silent at a Sox game. I am just shocked....SHOCKED! That the CUBune would run such a thing!

Come on, we all should have expected such yellow journalism from the Cubs' owners. The Cubune's tactics would be utterly laughable if they weren't so damaging to the Sox reputation. They run some fluff article about once a month about how wonderful and great Wrigley Field is and, of course, this is a great time to rotate in one of their recurring pieces (of s....) trashing the Cell and Sox fans.

I find it hard to believe that the fans were totally bored and not into the game during the Cleveland series! What a bunch of B.S.! What did they do, wait until the Indians were beating the Sox and then decided to sample the feeling of the crowd?

We hear the same crap over and over from the Cubune and other Sox-hating places like ESPN. One favorite of theirs is to say that the 7th inning stretch at the Cell is awful and no one is into it. I don't get it - EVERY time I'm at the park, the fans are totally into singing along and are especially loud to say "root root root for the WHITE SOX! " So, how can it be that people keep writing about how lame it is at the Cell. Hmm, what could be a possible explanation....let's see....ummmm....oh, I know - THEY'RE LYING!

HotelWhiteSox
09-30-2005, 03:12 PM
People are uncool if they wear sports gear? Well, maybe because German soccer blows in general

minastirith67
09-30-2005, 03:20 PM
People shouldn't take this one German's article and take from it a bunch of nonsense about the beautfiul game of football. Frankly, he's wrong and so are many of you who lack the patience to watch a truly athletic sport. This kind of 'soccer sucks' mentality is what American sports coverage like espn prolongs.

Ol' No. 2
09-30-2005, 03:25 PM
For the record, soccer has two 45-minute halves, not 4 quarters.

Other than that, you're pretty much dead on.Easy mistake to make. I never could stay awake long enough to notice.

Here's an idea. Every 10 minutes with no scoring, throw another ball on the field.

Nellie_Fox
09-30-2005, 03:31 PM
Frankly, he's wrong and so are many of you who lack the patience to watch a truly athletic sport. Liking one sport over another is neither right nor wrong. It is just an opinion. I think soccer is incredibly boring to watch (I've tried, I really have) and you think it's beautiful. Neither opinion is right, neither is wrong.

A couple of suggestions that I'm sure the real soccer fans would think insane: Let someone besides the referee know how much time is actually left in the game. It's hard to feel any tension and suspense as the game winds down when not even the players know how much time is really left. Change the offside rule. Let offensive players get behind the defense and create breakaways. At least then there'd be some scoring chances.

eriqjaffe
09-30-2005, 04:38 PM
Hey, I found one of those "dramatic photos" that he's talking about.

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/36236

mcg
09-30-2005, 05:52 PM
I sat next to this guy at the game! It was the first game of the series on Monday, the 19th. My husband and I went and I ended up sitting next to this German guy who was with someone who worked for the Tribune. I remember it being sort of irritating to have listen to someone explain every little thing about baseball during the game. He really overloaded the German with information. It was clear the German wasn't really interested but I though he was just being polite and asking questions (what does HR and RBI mean?, etc.)

Anyhow, his "professor" hates Chicago, he's from L.A. and wants a job with the L.A. Times. He doesn't like the White Sox but he also didn't mention which team he did like, if any. I saw the German scribbling notes on a pad of paper and remember thinking it was weird that he would write down "Pitch Speed: 87". I assumed he was just making notes to remember his trip to Chicago.

I'm pretty sure they left in the middle of the fifth before the Sox put up 4 runs to tie the game. Maybe they did stick around for a part of the bottom of the fifth but definitely not the whole inning. My husband asked in a friendly way "You're leaving?". They replied that they were going to the bars.

Realist
09-30-2005, 05:58 PM
Is soccer even a sport?

It's marathon running... with a ball.

chitownhawkfan
09-30-2005, 06:00 PM
Easy mistake to make. I never could stay awake long enough to notice.

Here's an idea. Every 10 minutes with no scoring, throw another ball on the field.

I personally really like soccer, but I couldnt help but laugh at this, I think it is a pretty good burn.

Anyways, I'm not going to let some chest shaving, techno music listening, Euro Trashster bother me. He reminds me of the guy from the the Hellfish episode of the Simpsons. If anybody could post a picture that would be great.

Ol' No. 2
09-30-2005, 06:02 PM
Liking one sport over another is neither right nor wrong. It is just an opinion. I think soccer is incredibly boring to watch (I've tried, I really have) and you think it's beautiful. Neither opinion is right, neither is wrong.

A couple of suggestions that I'm sure the real soccer fans would think insane: Let someone besides the referee know how much time is actually left in the game. It's hard to feel any tension and suspense as the game winds down when not even the players know how much time is really left. Change the offside rule. Let offensive players get behind the defense and create breakaways. At least then there'd be some scoring chances.I think they should change basketball and football to be more like soccer. No running behind the defensive players to catch a pass. Just think how much more interesting it would be if....ZZZzzzzzzzzz

PaleHoseGeorge
09-30-2005, 06:22 PM
I think they should change basketball and football to be more like soccer. No running behind the defensive players to catch a pass. Just think how much more interesting it would be if....ZZZzzzzzzzzz

99 percent of the "strategy" in scoring a soccer goal is to trick the opposing team into moving the wrong direction in anticipation of the next forward pass. Either the defending team tricks the attacker into accepting an offside pass, or the attacking team tricks the defenders into giving up an easy broken field goal.

Of course you'll never get the defenders of The Beautiful Game to ever admit to any of this because they've been brainwashed into thinking the game of soccer is something akin to heaven on earth.

However we Americans don't have any room to talk. The primary "strategy" for most winning football teams is "adding beef" to either the offensive or defensive lines.
:cool:

Strategy in basketball and hockey? Same thing: get out of the way of Jordan/Gretzky.
:wink:

fquaye149
09-30-2005, 06:36 PM
Liking one sport over another is neither right nor wrong. It is just an opinion. I think soccer is incredibly boring to watch (I've tried, I really have) and you think it's beautiful. Neither opinion is right, neither is wrong.

A couple of suggestions that I'm sure the real soccer fans would think insane: Let someone besides the referee know how much time is actually left in the game. It's hard to feel any tension and suspense as the game winds down when not even the players know how much time is really left. Change the offside rule. Let offensive players get behind the defense and create breakaways. At least then there'd be some scoring chances.

So wouldn't you say someone is wrong if they say "soccer sucks"? Since there's no objectivity at play in regards to enjoyment of sports, saying "soccer sucks" is tantamount to saying "people who don't like soccer suck."

Your rule change ideas aren't bad per se...but it's kind of contradictory to the nature of the game. The time thing is a lot like not listing how many fouls a basketball player has. It's something players and coaches need to keep track of on their own. Is it good or bad? I don't know...but it's the way they do things.

Meanwhile, the whole breakaways, change the game thing...it reminds me of the pandering the NFL does... once again the question of good or bad is unanswerable. The NFL does it their way...most sports don't cater to the fans' every whim. Oh well.

antitwins13
09-30-2005, 06:37 PM
If Europe is so cool, why did my ancestors leave it about 100 years ago?



I don't remember The Cell ever being quite

SOXintheBURGH
09-30-2005, 10:33 PM
I personally really like soccer, but I couldnt help but laugh at this, I think it is a pretty good burn.

Anyways, I'm not going to let some chest shaving, techno music listening, Euro Trashster bother me. He reminds me of the guy from the the Hellfish episode of the Simpsons. If anybody could post a picture that would be great.

Hey! Try not to damage the cd changer in meine trunk. Idiot. Now hurry up I have to be back in Strasbourg by 6 to see Kraftwerk.


Hey fun boys, get a room!

SOX ADDICT '73
09-30-2005, 11:01 PM
Sorry, but I couldn't resist posting my favorite "football" joke:

Why are so many people playing soccer these days?


























So they don't have to watch it! :tongue:

Hitmen77
10-01-2005, 12:21 AM
I sat next to this guy at the game! It was the first game of the series on Monday, the 19th. My husband and I went and I ended up sitting next to this German guy who was with someone who worked for the Tribune. ....

Can you confirm that their assertion that the crowd was totaly silent and not into the game is bogus?

Ol' No. 2
10-01-2005, 12:27 AM
Can you confirm that their assertion that the crowd was totaly silent and not into the game is bogus?The stupid tool was probably watching batting practice.:cool:

minastirith67
10-01-2005, 12:30 AM
99 percent of the "strategy" in scoring a soccer goal is to trick the opposing team into moving the wrong direction in anticipation of the next forward pass. Either the defending team tricks the attacker into accepting an offside pass, or the attacking team tricks the defenders into giving up an easy broken field goal.

When you put it that way it sounds quite mundane, but you must admit that there are some great passes that trick the defense and make for entertaining sport. As a Gooner, you should appreciate the fine art of attacking passing. The Arsenal midfield for years has played some of the best attacking football, a good representative of the English game despite the great number of Frenchmen involved. I may hate them but they have had some incredible goals in the past.

HebrewHammer
10-01-2005, 02:04 AM
I guarantee this objective article on our Sox is not how people from other countries view our beloved White Sox. I work with a lot of people from other countries(seriously, I'm the only Caucasian American in my department and there are only three Americans in a department of 12) and I've had the opportunity to take a few of them to Sox games this year. I've made a few converts so far.

I've had to explain baseball a few times. Not the easiest task. Try explaining an out or an inning in less than two sentances to someone who has no concept of what an out or an inning is.

TDog
10-01-2005, 02:20 AM
Is soccer even a sport?

First of all, I am, like most of you, primarily a Sox fan. Except for the trolls, we're all friends here. I don't mean to insult anyone.

But if forced to choose, I would rather sit through a soccer game than an American football game. I understanding both sports. Having being forced to play football while I was growing up, such ritualized child abuse apparently being the law in Texas, I learned to hate football more than I learned to hate soccer. My grandfather even dragged me to a Notre Dame football game when I was a kid.

This German person doesn't understand baseball, just as most of the soccer bashers don't understand soccer. If you wrote for a German newspaper about how you didn't understand soccer, you would look just as silly as this guy. You don't know what to watch in a soccer game. All you see is that there isn't much scoring. This person doesn't understand baseball, so (like your typically Cubs fan) he doesn't know what to watch. Baseball requires more watching, more study. People might not look like they're having as good a time at a baseball game because they're watching the game. In football and soccer, fans don't really need to. (Hence the wave, something that real baseball fans scorn whenever it shows up at their park.)

Not that I would voluntarily sit through a soccer game, but I haven't seen football highlights since the 1980s.

chitownhawkfan
10-01-2005, 05:45 AM
Baron von Wortzenberger, on behalf of the American people, I
apologize for...
Baron: Ja ja ja, mach schnell mit der art things, huh? I must get back
to Dancecentrum in Struttgart in time to see Kraftwerk.
[the agent is storing the paintings in the trunk]
Baron: Hey, und dummkopf! Watch out for the CD-changer in my trunk, eh?
Idiot.
[hops in the car, turns on the radio and drives away]
Abe: I guess he deserves it more than I do.

Blancos Medias
10-01-2005, 06:41 AM
How many thousands of years before our ancestors learned to use their hands, and the first thing you learn in "football" is NO HANDS.

Primitive, simple game for primitive simple people. We're more evolved. :D:

Who's at war with who this week? Somebody is always at war over some nonsense there. Bunch of clowns. Who asked him? Go attack France again you mutt.

I love that Burns post! :D:

eurotrash35
10-01-2005, 08:39 AM
Easy mistake to make. I never could stay awake long enough to notice.

Here's an idea. Every 10 minutes with no scoring, throw another ball on the field.

ahahahaha!

PaleHoseGeorge
10-01-2005, 09:04 AM
When you put it that way it sounds quite mundane, but you must admit that there are some great passes that trick the defense and make for entertaining sport. As a Gooner, you should appreciate the fine art of attacking passing. The Arsenal midfield for years has played some of the best attacking football, a good representative of the English game despite the great number of Frenchmen involved. I may hate them but they have had some incredible goals in the past.

My favorite Gooner is Tony Adams. The way he played transpires the game itself. It was "Donkey Tony" who the character Horse refers to in the movie The Full Monty. Arsenal has made a science of using the narrow pitch at Highbury to trip up the opposition's attack, and the "One-nil... One-nil" chant is still popular in spite of all the high-powered attackers the Frenchmen manager Arsene Wenger has brought in to score goals.

The offside trap is central to the game of soccer every bit as much as controlling the line of scrimmage is to football. In fact they are the same principle (placing the opposing team on its heels at the spot of the ball) applied to two sports with different rules of engagement.

Those who don't understand football (American or English versions) can't understand this. All the "complexities" the fans and analysts blather on and on about are simply window dressing for the precise same objective of each game: controlling the ball's movement.

SOXSINCE'70
10-01-2005, 09:23 AM
And what do you expect from a newspaper that
gives you headlines like these????:angry: :angry:


:cubune

TornLabrum
10-01-2005, 09:52 AM
When you put it that way it sounds quite mundane, but you must admit that there are some great passes that trick the defense and make for entertaining sport. As a Gooner, you should appreciate the fine art of attacking passing. The Arsenal midfield for years has played some of the best attacking football, a good representative of the English game despite the great number of Frenchmen involved. I may hate them but they have had some incredible goals in the past.

The thing I truly love about soccer is that you can't use your hands, freeing them for doing other things.

Hitmen77
10-01-2005, 10:32 AM
Truth is stranger than fiction. A couple of months ago, one of our fellow WSI members posted a mock article that could appear in the Tribune. In it, he writes about 2 visitors from Denmark visiting Wrigley and U.S. Cellular on the same day, accompanied by a Trib staff member. Their experiences at Wrigley would be great, fun, sunny, lots of fans, drinking, leaving early, etc. Then they go to U.S. Cellular, and they are scared, the fans are scary, they have a bad experience, and can't wait to get back to their hotel. It was funny stuff. Who knew that he would actually be foreshadowing an ACTUAL column in the Tribune written in the same vein. Ahhh the Tribune..Gotta love 'em.

Here it is: http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=803929#post803929

Pretty sad when our "outrageous joke" mock articles are interchangable with REAL Cubune articles.

TornLabrum
10-01-2005, 10:35 AM
Here it is: http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=803929#post803929

Pretty sad when our "outrageous joke" mock articles are interchangable with REAL Cubune articles.

Where do you think the Tribune editors get their ideas for stories?

Hitmen77
10-01-2005, 10:54 AM
Here's what I wrote to the Trib:


No surprise that the day after the Sox clinch the division title, the Trib trots out an article in Tempo trashing the experience of going to a Sox game. This is part of your endless efforts to give the competition a bad image. Sox fans were "totally silent" at the Sox-Indians game? Give me a break! That just simply untrue.

I can't wait for your next baseball fluff piece. Headline: Sox Win Pennant! Tempo: Results of our survey of Cubs fans - Wrigley Voted Heaven on Earth, Sox Park Ranks Lower Than Baghdad!

Nellie_Fox
10-02-2005, 02:36 AM
The offside trap is central to the game of soccer every bit as much as controlling the line of scrimmage is to football. In fact they are the same principle (placing the opposing team on its heels at the spot of the ball) applied to two sports with different rules of engagement.Without remotely pretending that I understand soccer (or what you are trying to explain here) it sounds a lot more like the neutral-zone trap in hockey than controlling the line play in football. Trapping is a way for less talented teams to win, while controlling the line in football is the very essence of the game.

PaleHoseGeorge
10-02-2005, 09:26 AM
Without remotely pretending that I understand soccer (or what you are trying to explain here) it sounds a lot more like the neutral-zone trap in hockey than controlling the line play in football. Trapping is a way for less talented teams to win, while controlling the line in football is the very essence of the game.

Not exactly. In hockey, the offside line for each team occurs at once precise spot on the playing field: the blue line. An inferior team (like the NJ Devils) can pre-set their defense to defend that one spot on the ice.

Soccer is completely different. The offside line is whereever the defending team sets it. It floats with the last defender, not a predetermined spot on the field. That's a range of well over 50 yards. Whether the attacking team can move the ball forward depends entirely on anticipating where that line will be -- completely the opposite of hockey.

Thus a team that can control the line better than the other team anywhere on the field is the team that wins in American football or soccer. This is true in hockey only at the blue line.

Both hockey and soccer have an offside line, but only in soccer can that line be anywhere on the playing field. That's what makes controlling the line in soccer closer to football, not hockey.

Hitmen77
10-02-2005, 12:13 PM
"OOOOOOO! DID YOU HEAR THAT? THE GERMANS DON'T LIKE US!
OOOOOOOOO THE GERMANS! I'M SO SCARED OF THE GERMANS!"

I love seeing Simpsons references on this site! How about this one:

Sox Fan: “Hey fellas! Want a Beer?”

German Visitor: “Nein. To us your Beer is, how you say …. swill.....I am saying that only a swine would drink this beer."