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soxrme
09-27-2005, 09:31 PM
Blum??:angry: Why not Gload or Pyz? Just another stupid move by Ozzie:angry:

veeter
09-27-2005, 09:32 PM
The obvious choice TIMO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ChicagoHoosier
09-27-2005, 09:32 PM
I'm not smart enough to be a manager, but I sure don't understand the moves sometime.

tifosiv122
09-27-2005, 09:32 PM
Blum??:angry: Why not Gload or Pyz? Just another stupid move by Ozzie:angry:

Either way, Dye had both games on his shoulders and he blew both of them.

Erik

Madvora
09-27-2005, 09:32 PM
Should we use this as the postgame thread?

Ozzie knows these guys suck. He must have just thought that putting ANYBODY out there would be better than one of the regulars that have been playing like crap for months.

pczarapa
09-27-2005, 09:32 PM
I have no idea what Ozzie was thinking there

Foulke You
09-27-2005, 09:32 PM
Ozzie must have had stupid pills with his breakfast this morning. Why pinch hit the .188 Blum when you have another lefty, Timo Perez who has won countless games in key situations for us???

PaleHoseGeorge
09-27-2005, 09:33 PM
This one ought to be good...

patbooyah
09-27-2005, 09:33 PM
1. why was blum acquired?
2. why has he been played?

I don't mean to be a downer, but this is gut wrenching. They aren't doing any of the little things.

PAPChiSox729
09-27-2005, 09:33 PM
Ouch.

cburns
09-27-2005, 09:33 PM
I can't believe I'm saying this, but we could of used Joe Crede's bat tonight.

TheArmyOfNeems
09-27-2005, 09:33 PM
i think ozzie's trying to lose the games for us

mr_genius
09-27-2005, 09:33 PM
thats it

this team SUCKS

i officially hate them

knocko94
09-27-2005, 09:33 PM
he probably wanted switch hitters to keep their lefty specialist out

John Barrett
09-27-2005, 09:34 PM
:fireozzie

Madvora
09-27-2005, 09:34 PM
A chance to really put your foot on Cleveland's throats tonight, and nothing.

kaufsox
09-27-2005, 09:34 PM
that annoying beeping noise you hear is the White Sox backing into the playoffs. :angry: What kind of swing was that from JD to end the game? C'mon guys your destiny is in your own flipping hands!!! :angry: :angry:

popilius
09-27-2005, 09:34 PM
Blum??:angry: Why not Gload or Pyz? Just another stupid move by Ozzie:angry:

It was an absolutely terrible move by Guillen! Even Timo could have pinch hit there. Can someone please tell me why in the HELL Blum is up to bat at this point?

This loss really, really was painful. Another night without sleep, and my stomach is turning. . . and I smashed a few things in my house tonight. . .

:angry:

BeviBall!
09-27-2005, 09:34 PM
They throw Douglass at us tomorrow against Jose. Time for Contreras to get us going again. Douglass is a RHP... Gload and AJ better be in the lineup tomorrow.

I also hate to say it, but I'd bench Rowand and put Pods in CF and play Timo. God, has it come to this?

peeonwrigley
09-27-2005, 09:34 PM
he probably wanted switch hitters to keep their lefty specialist out

Fine, put in Timo, let them bring in their lefty, then put in Anderson.

mr_genius
09-27-2005, 09:34 PM
the Tigers did their best to GIVE us this game

all the walks, bad defense... but we return the favor by leaving 12 men on base

TheArmyOfNeems
09-27-2005, 09:35 PM
MEANWHILE..

Tampa Bay 5
Cleveland 1

Foulke You
09-27-2005, 09:35 PM
Was it me or did it seem like we stranded 785 baserunners out there today? It seemed like the Tigers tried their best to hand that one to us and our guys were feeling generous and said "no thanks".

SoxSpeed22
09-27-2005, 09:35 PM
#(*)^%(*&&^!@$

CanBuehrleWait
09-27-2005, 09:35 PM
Dye walked 3 times at least and that was a two out situation. Blame this on rowand who ground out 5 fnn times... blame this on OZzie when he hits blum while Gload and Timo..... Mr Clutch Timo sits ont he bench.... 8 bloody walks I have never been so angry... thank whatever diety you pray to the team who shall not be named is losing int he 8th. :angry:

Banix12
09-27-2005, 09:35 PM
I literally did a spit take when I saw Geoff Blum walking up to the plate and screamed, "NOOOO!"

I was cool with the Borchard move, he's becoming a decent little pinch hitter, however Blum?

TomBradley72
09-27-2005, 09:35 PM
How could you use Timo, AJ all year long when you need a lefty hitter (and they have come through many times)...and have Gload....and pass ALL THREE to choose Blum?

With all we've ripped on Timo this year....the guy has a habit of getting the clutch hit. As bad as NOT pinch hitting for AJ last night. Two screwed up games in a row...if the Tribe loses we could have been 4 games up after tonight with 5 to play.:angry:

ChicagoHoosier
09-27-2005, 09:35 PM
thats it

this team SUCKS

i officially hate them

Wow. I'll never say I hate my team.

Why is it, though, that we are unable to take advantage of opportunities now when we were able to do so against average to bad pitching earlier in the season? Is it completely mental at this point?

Cowhead418
09-27-2005, 09:35 PM
thats it

this team SUCKS

i officially hate them
I am totally with you. This team is REALLY pissing me off right now. I can't wait for this season to be over. In the first half they were so exciting to watch with their clutch hitting and dominant pitching but now there could not be a team more boring to watch. They are so UNCLUTCH it's unbelievable.

dpbyron
09-27-2005, 09:35 PM
:fireozzie


What the hell was that?

And while your at it....
:rowand
"I should be benched."
:everett:
"Me too"

HawkDJ
09-27-2005, 09:35 PM
Who cares..if we can't beat Detroit when they hand us that many walks..we certainly won't beat Cleveland or anyone in the playoffs for that matter.

HotelWhiteSox
09-27-2005, 09:35 PM
Ozzie is an idiot, plain and simple, that's the closest I've seen a manager try to throw a game since 1919. Then he wonders why there are boos and people question his decisions. He disses the fans multiple times, he's allowed to say what he wants, but then cries if someone questions him.

The reason this team has won 90+ games is Kenny Williams. The reason they haven't won more is Ozzie Guillen

buehrle4cy05
09-27-2005, 09:35 PM
:anderson::crede:timo:
"Remember us?"

I guess BA is up for no reason at all, Crede had the day off, and Ozzie just forgot about Timo.

Madvora
09-27-2005, 09:35 PM
Yankees are losing now.

Toronto tied up Boston now.

Cleveland about to lose.


I'm still super pissed.

Brian26
09-27-2005, 09:36 PM
1. why was blum acquired?
2. why has he been played?

Blum is a super-soild defensive player and a great late-game substitution. Remember the period when we didn't have a backup infielder?

Now, using him as a pinch-hitter late in the game when Gload or AJ are available from the left side? Terrible, terrible move.

DC Sox Fan
09-27-2005, 09:36 PM
First time I've ever seen that "Fire Ozzie" icon.

Blumkin really, REALLY is worthless.

It could have been much worse, guys..... It sucks but hell, our magic number is going to do down by 1 tonight :cool:

Get the ****ty games out of the system now so we can roll into cleveland this weekend, trounce the toons and gain some momentum.

What the hell has gotten into me? Where did my "dark cloud juice" go :redneck

pczarapa
09-27-2005, 09:36 PM
the Tigers did their best to GIVE us this game

all the walks, bad defense... but we return the favor by leaving 12 men on base

No kidding, 8 walks and only one of them score.

Foulke You
09-27-2005, 09:37 PM
I am totally with you. This team is REALLY pissing me off right now. I can't wait for this season to be over. In the first half they were so exciting to watch with their clutch hitting and dominant pitching but now there could not be a team more boring to watch. They are so UNCLUTCH it's unbelievable.
I don't hate my team! What kind of fans are you guys? I hate the way they are PLAYING but I certainly don't hate this team! Sheesh.

That being said, I am scratching my head and wondering where the team that won 3 straight against the Twins went to. This team has certainly been a box of chocolates in the 2nd half.

PAPChiSox729
09-27-2005, 09:37 PM
We are trusting on Joe Borowski to help us get away from Cleveland. This is definitely a low point.

popilius
09-27-2005, 09:37 PM
the Tigers did their best to GIVE us this game

all the walks, bad defense... but we return the favor by leaving 12 men on base

Yup, they wanted to give us this game so bad. . . I guess Trammell and the Tigers want the Sox to win the division. Still, we are even too terrible to take a gift game.

John Barrett
09-27-2005, 09:37 PM
this proves ozzie is in over his head...combined with the players...if we get to the playoffs we are 3 and out

twinsuck1
09-27-2005, 09:37 PM
I am a little worried If we can't hit Nate FREAKIN" Robertson how are we going to do against the top pitchers in the playoffs?????? If we make it that is?:angry:

Optipessimism
09-27-2005, 09:37 PM
Either way, Dye had both games on his shoulders and he blew both of them.

Erik

Dye isn't responsible for what Aaron didn't do. I don't know why this guy is still in the lineup.

Considering the fact that we faced the Tiggers without IRod out there to shut down the running game AND received walk after walok after walk, we should have won this game something like 6-3 or so. Instead we lose 3-2. These August/September White Sox make up the worst offense I have ever seen. If it hadn't been for our pitching this whole thing would have been over a long time ago.

pczarapa
09-27-2005, 09:37 PM
Who cares..if we can't beat Detroit when they hand us that many walks..we certainly won't beat Cleveland or anyone in the playoffs for that matter.

I concur, I'd rather not be there if we're going to play like this and make a joke of Chicago.

Huisj
09-27-2005, 09:38 PM
Timo was Ozzie's lovechild all summer, and even though most people here didn't understand it, he did seem to come through at times. So now when the sox need a big hit and some emotional spark, he never plays at all.

Remember the game when Guillen pinch hit practically the whole bench late in the game a few weeks back? I know this is playoff race, and these games are important, but maybe something that ridiculous and drastic is needed. I swear, Gload, Borchard, Anderson, Perez, Ozuna can do a whole lot better than the total crap we've been seeing lately. Just keep Blum out of it.

This team is so frustrating. I can't believe the pitiful effort tonight. Is it in their heads? What's the problem? Why is it so so so so hard for them to do ANYTHING at the plate??? 8 walks tonight? How can this team be so dead with that much help from the opposing pitchers?

:angry: :angry: :angry:

BeviBall!
09-27-2005, 09:38 PM
It could have been much worse, guys..... It sucks but hell, our magic number is going to do down by 1 tonight :cool:

((KNOCKING ON WOOD))

FoulTerritory
09-27-2005, 09:38 PM
I literally did a spit take when I saw Geoff Blum walking up to the plate and screamed, "NOOOO!"

I was cool with the Borchard move, he's becoming a decent little pinch hitter, however Blum?

me too. I've been an ardent Ozzie supporter, but man, you just can't defend that move. its unbelievable really. AJ???? Anyone but Blum??? gawd.

Blueprint1
09-27-2005, 09:38 PM
I literally did a spit take when I saw Geoff Blum walking up to the plate and screamed, "NOOOO!"

I was cool with the Borchard move, he's becoming a decent little pinch hitter, however Blum?

I hated when they traded for that BUM. Whenever Kenny trades for someone you better believe they will play alot. See Willie Harris, Julio Ramirez, and Billy Koch. Add Blum to that list.

Foulke You
09-27-2005, 09:38 PM
:anderson::crede:timo:
"Remember us?"

I guess BA is up for no reason at all, Crede had the day off, and Ozzie just forgot about Timo.
Crede was not in uniform today due to his wife having complications with her pregnancy. However, Timo, Anderson, and even A.J. were there for the using. No excuse for Blum PH-ing there.

EDIT: Ross Gload was also available too.

ChicagoHoosier
09-27-2005, 09:38 PM
First time I've ever seen that "Fire Ozzie" icon.

Blumkin really, REALLY is worthless.

It could have been much worse, guys..... It sucks but hell, our magic number is going to do down by 1 tonight :cool:

Get the ****ty games out of the system now so we can roll into cleveland this weekend, trounce the toons and gain some momentum.

What the hell has gotten into me? Where did my "dark cloud juice" go :redneck

Agree it's good our magic number for both wildcard and division is probably going down. It's bad that we have so many ****ty games we need to get out of our system. Maybe there are too many and still will be a surplus when we face the Tribe.

greenpeach
09-27-2005, 09:38 PM
1. why was blum acquired?
2. why has he been played?

I don't mean to be a downer, but this is gut wrenching. They aren't doing any of the little things.


Blum was the best available player at the trade deadline. Jerry told KW to open up the purse strings.

Dan H
09-27-2005, 09:39 PM
I don't blame Blum whatsoever. The guy never plays and he is supposed to come through in the late innings. This was the dumbest decision Guillen has ever made. Inexcusable. Now we have to pin our hopes on Tampa Bay.

Two straight losses to Detroit. I have never seen anything so pathetic. No one except Konerko is driving in runs. No one knows the meaning of a clutch hit.

Is it possible to get swept by the Tigers? Yes, it is. Especially when you can't score more than two runs in a game when the opposition gave you base runners all night long.

This offense is pathetic. Watching the Bears move one inch at a time is more entertaining. They act as if the Tigers are intimidating them.

Optipessimism
09-27-2005, 09:39 PM
First time I've ever seen that "Fire Ozzie" icon.

Blumkin really, REALLY is worthless.

It could have been much worse, guys..... It sucks but hell, our magic number is going to do down by 1 tonight :cool:

Get the ****ty games out of the system now so we can roll into cleveland this weekend, trounce the toons and gain some momentum.

What the hell has gotten into me? Where did my "dark cloud juice" go :redneck

Don't forget our best hitter with RISP.

patbooyah
09-27-2005, 09:40 PM
I don't blame Blum whatsoever.

i'm not trying to blame blum. i'm asking why they got him and why they hit him, thus blaming Kenny and Oz.

Madvora
09-27-2005, 09:40 PM
I keep saying to myself that it's a whole new season in the playoffs, but what the hell am I talking about?
How can a team that plays this bad possibly even score one run in a playoff game?
I still think we're going to make the playoffs... as bad as we are, but now I don't think I want to be there. I might sell my tickets. I don't think I can bear to watch.

patbooyah
09-27-2005, 09:41 PM
5-2 drays

BeviBall!
09-27-2005, 09:41 PM
Without a complete about face, this team is dead in the water. I've said it all second half... momentum means nothing to the White Sox. How you can win three games, in crusing fashion, then fall flat on your face, is astounding.

twinsuck1
09-27-2005, 09:41 PM
Here I thought after thet Minnesota series our team was looking better and would handle these Tigers taking 3-4 or even a sweep!

PaleHoseGeorge
09-27-2005, 09:41 PM
Will somebody please take the choker collar off Aaron Rowand's neck?

:wink:

SouthSide_HitMen
09-27-2005, 09:41 PM
MEANWHILE..

Tampa Bay 5
Cleveland 1

Tampa 5 Cleveland 2

Runner on 2nd 1 Out
Bottom 8

MarkZ35
09-27-2005, 09:42 PM
You just cant ph with Blum there. You definately have to go either with Gload or A.J. But you cant just look at that ab for the entire game. What about the 7 innings before that one and even the ninth. The Sox just cant get a big hit at this point so hopefully TB holds on to there lead and we can win tommorrow. I just hope this whole season doesnt come down to a big ab in Cleveland cause if it does ... We're in Big TROUBLE.

SoxSpeed22
09-27-2005, 09:42 PM
Makes me glad I watched the Family Guy movie instead of this ****.

chisoxfan83
09-27-2005, 09:42 PM
I was so looking forward to flying to Detroit tommorrow. I am going to wed and thur game. Sad part is if the sox win the next 2 and the toons lose (night game on thur) The sox wouldnt have an on field celebration but I do not want to say TB is gonna win all 3 games against them. I am just praying they lose tonite. I dont want to get ahead of myself because now its probably coming down to this weekend :angry:

PaleHoseGeorge
09-27-2005, 09:42 PM
Dolgin is taking Sox calls until midnight.

Christ, he ought to get combat pay for this one.
:o:

patbooyah
09-27-2005, 09:43 PM
5-3

pczarapa
09-27-2005, 09:43 PM
Devil Rays 5- CLE 3, this is mind numbing

BeviBall!
09-27-2005, 09:43 PM
5-3

Oh man.

Brian26
09-27-2005, 09:43 PM
Dolgin is taking Sox calls until midnight.

Christ, he ought to get combat pay for this one.
:o:

:hawk

"Sit back, relax, and strap it down."

gosox83
09-27-2005, 09:44 PM
MAYDAY!! MAYDAY!!

CLEVELAND IS COMING BACK!!

5 - 3 man on 2nd and 2 outs in the bot. of 8th

MERCY!

infohawk
09-27-2005, 09:44 PM
Well, we just wasted two consecutive solid pitching performances. Both Garland and McCarthy threw quality starts. I don't blame Ozzie for throwing Blum in there. I would have picked Gload, but either way it's tough to come off the bench and get a hit when you don't play very often. Gload or Perez might not have fared much better. If Blum got a hit we would be praising Ozzie for such a shrewd move. I'm actually surprised that Borchard got on base in that situation. It's not Ozzie's fault that nobody can seem to get a clutch hit with runners in scoring position.

The White Sox are a very good team. What keeps them from being a great team is the lack of at least one more big bat in the line-up. Regardless of what happens this season, I think this team is pretty darn good. Unfortunately, they have been very inconsistent offensively for lack of another bat. Even so, I sure have come to appreciate the impact that solid pitching and good defense can have. Despite our offensive struggles, we still have 94 wins and are in the playoff hunt. Previous non-playoff Sox teams scored lots and lots of runs and topped out at 86 wins in 2003.

NDSox12
09-27-2005, 09:44 PM
Devil Rays 5- CLE 3, this is mind numbing

Good 'ol Joe Borowski on the hill for the D-Rays. Yikes!

Huisj
09-27-2005, 09:44 PM
Blum is so bad that I'd rather see Harold Baines pinch hitting there instead of Blum. . . and Harold has been retired for almost 5 years.

popilius
09-27-2005, 09:44 PM
I am a little worried If we can't hit Nate FREAKIN" Robertson how are we going to do against the top pitchers in the playoffs?????? If we make it that is?:angry:

You know what?. . . our goal is no longer to do well in the playoffs, or even win the ALDS ---

Our goal is to NOT BLOW IT.
Our goal is to GET AT LEAST ONE HIT WITH RISP.
Our goal is NOT EMBARASS OURSELVES TO THE POINT OF MISERY.

Wow.

The Wimperoo
09-27-2005, 09:44 PM
Serious question....Has there ever been a team that will most likely win 95-97 games that has this bad of an offense, statistically speaking? Maybe in the pitching eras, so how about in the last 30 years. I haven't looked at the data, but just thinking about it I am having a hard time coming up with one.

CallMeNuts
09-27-2005, 09:44 PM
Blum comes in to PH for Wider with bases loaded and 1 out and hits a weak 123 GIDP. Then Oz brings AJP in as a defensive replacement as catcher. Whatcha thinking Oz?

twinsuck1
09-27-2005, 09:45 PM
Devil Rays 5- CLE 3, this is mind numbing

UH OH!:?:

Brian26
09-27-2005, 09:45 PM
Best line of the night, by Hawk (in the top of the 9th, Aaron Rowand at bat with 1 out and guy on first):

:hawk

"Paul Konerko due up next....(long pause)....if we stay out of the double play."

BeviBall!
09-27-2005, 09:45 PM
MAYDAY!! MAYDAY!!

CLEVELAND IS COMING BACK!!

5 - 3 man on 2nd and 2 outs in the bot. of 8th

MERCY!

Look back about 3 pages and notice the jinx post....

JB98
09-27-2005, 09:46 PM
Devil Rays 5- CLE 3, this is mind numbing

I don't care what Cleveland does.

Regardless of the result of that game, I'm very disappointed in the White Sox. Everyone is entitled to a bad game, but this is two in a row against an inferior opponent. I'm pretty much speechless at what I just saw.

gosox83
09-27-2005, 09:46 PM
Indians just left the man on 2nd.

Heading to the top of 9. 5 - 3

Hendu
09-27-2005, 09:46 PM
It could have been much worse, guys..... It sucks but hell, our magic number is going to do down by 1 tonight :cool:


What?!? You mean that the Devil Rays were able to figure out the perennial Cy Young candidate, Scott Elarton? Unbelievable!!

PaleHoseGeorge
09-27-2005, 09:46 PM
Best line of the night, by Hawk (in the top of the 9th):

Aaron Rowand at bat with 1 out and guy on first:

:hawk

"Paul Konerko due up next....(long pause)....if we stay out of the double play."

Ouch. You know it's bad when Hawk starts calling you out.

:reinsy
"Send this fax to Detroit, attention Harrelson. Thanks, Maxie."

twinsuck1
09-27-2005, 09:47 PM
D- Rays 5-3
going to top of the 9th.
Cross your fingers guys!

BeviBall!
09-27-2005, 09:47 PM
Indians just left the man on 2nd.

Heading to the top of 9. 5 - 3

Up to Baez to help the team he should be a member of.

FarWestChicago
09-27-2005, 09:47 PM
Will you please post about the Toons in the Toons thread. Thank you.

PAPChiSox729
09-27-2005, 09:47 PM
I don't care what Cleveland does.

Regardless of the result of that game, I'm very disappointed in the White Sox. Everyone is entitled to a bad game, but this is two in a row against an inferior opponent. I'm pretty much speechless at what I just saw.

My thoughts exactly. What now? I guess it is just "Go get 'em tommorrow."

:(:

Optipessimism
09-27-2005, 09:47 PM
http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/images/players/mugshot/ph_435042.jpg
"Put me in! I'm eligible for the playoff roster!! Hey, I can't be any worse than that other guy."

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/images/players/mugshot/ph_400023.jpg "Boy, do I suck or what?"

greenpeach
09-27-2005, 09:47 PM
Serious question....Has there ever been a team that will most likely win 95-97 games that has this bad of an offense, statistically speaking? Maybe in the pitching eras, so how about in the last 30 years. I haven't looked at the data, but just thinking about it I am having a hard time coming up with one.

We knew that Frank wasn't coming back for nearly three months now, but Jerry fiddled while Rome burned. And he wonders why fans don't flock to see his team ?

ChicagoHoosier
09-27-2005, 09:47 PM
:chickenlittle

Seriously, no need to be happy about this loss. But if we can drop the 1st 2 to the kitties and have our magic # go down, we're OK.

Call me crazy, but I am not so angry/worried about this one...

You're crazy. This game exemplifies what our team has become - very average. We don't capitalize on opportunities and are not making good managerial decisions. I was excited when we got our first run because it was textbook getting the runner over and in. But watching Rowand ground out time and time again, watching last night us strand the runner on third multiple times, watching a below average hitter come in the game to pinch hit when the game is on the line... make me want to vommit.

Brian26
09-27-2005, 09:47 PM
Serious question....Has there ever been a team that will most likely win 95-97 games that has this bad of an offense, statistically speaking? Maybe in the pitching eras, so how about in the last 30 years. I haven't looked at the data, but just thinking about it I am having a hard time coming up with one.

:hawk

"Our batting average is low because we sacrifice at-bats to move runners over."

:DJ

"Bull****."

gosox83
09-27-2005, 09:47 PM
Will you please post about the Toons in the Toons thread. Thank you.


sorry

Shoeless Joe
09-27-2005, 09:48 PM
This has to be the worst managed game in Ozzie Guillen's career, bar none. This last week is going to be so frustrating that I may just have a mental breakdown. For the love of all that's holy win the division already!

DC Sox Fan
09-27-2005, 09:48 PM
:chickenlittle

just heard my roomate yell "Jesus ****" downstairs, which means the Yanks are blowing their game :cool:

If we lose and everyone else loses (toons, possible WC teams) then we've gained ground. This is why we built up the early custion, people!!!

nasox
09-27-2005, 09:48 PM
And I need a break from WSI after reading that thread. Take your pills and lock yourself in the loony house so you don't come here and act like this.


Go get the next two, boys.

SouthSide_HitMen
09-27-2005, 09:48 PM
i'm not trying to blame blum. i'm asking why they got him and why they hit him, thus blaming Kenny and Oz.

He can play several positions. I have no problem for him to be on the team, be a late inning substitute, play in blowouts or emergencies. however, he is not a good hitter and shouldn't be counted on when you need a hit.

whtsxfn
09-27-2005, 09:48 PM
Guys, I yelled at God after they lost on thursday, and they won 3 in a row.... The big man has a talk coming up for him.

twinsuck1
09-27-2005, 09:48 PM
Hey! Did you guys see the stat for how bad we are hitting with runners in scoring position? We are worst in the league according to Bill Melton.

PaleHoseGeorge
09-27-2005, 09:49 PM
:hawk

"Our batting average is low because we sacrifice at-bats to move runners over."

Oh God, he didn't actually SAY this, did he?
:o:

The Wimperoo
09-27-2005, 09:50 PM
Oh God, he didn't actually SAY this, did he?
:o:

He's been saying that all year about Iguchi's average.

SoxSpeed22
09-27-2005, 09:50 PM
Hey! Did you guys see the stat for how bad we are hitting with runners in scoring position? We are worst in the league according to Bill Melton.Now who wants to argue with that?

pczarapa
09-27-2005, 09:50 PM
Serious question....Has there ever been a team that will most likely win 95-97 games that has this bad of an offense, statistically speaking? Maybe in the pitching eras, so how about in the last 30 years. I haven't looked at the data, but just thinking about it I am having a hard time coming up with one.

I've never seen a more mediocre team 30 games over .500, I can tell you that.

PaleHoseGeorge
09-27-2005, 09:51 PM
He's been saying that all year about Iguchi's average.

I am sooooo happy I had the radio on. I couldn't have handled it.

:hawk
"Where's he gonna play?"

:roflmao:

duke of dorwood
09-27-2005, 09:51 PM
I have had it with Guillen-tonight was a forfeit-GEOFF ***&^%ing BLUM?

JRIG
09-27-2005, 09:51 PM
Hey! Did you guys see the stat for how bad we are hitting with runners in scoring position? We are worst in the league according to Bill Melton.

We also have, by a large, large margin, the fewest number of at bats with runners in scoring position. That's a bad combo.

mjmcend
09-27-2005, 09:51 PM
In the nicest possible way, I have not agreed with some of Ozzie's moves that last two days.

Brian26
09-27-2005, 09:52 PM
Oh God, he didn't actually SAY this, did he?
:o:

Not tonight, but he's used it down the stretch, especially when we were playing those series against the Carmines.

Here's another gem from the Comcast postgame:

:hawk

"All we got now are three things:
Come on Contreras!
Come on Freddy!
and COME ON SWEET LOU!"

Got to love the Hawk.

gosox83
09-27-2005, 09:52 PM
OK.

Lets face the facts.

If we want in, we absolutely must win a game in Cleveland...lets just think of it like that. I know theoretically if we are up by 3 games going into Cleveland the series won't matter, however we do not appear as if we will be up by 3.

So here is the thing. Realize, if we go into Cleveland up by 1 or 2 they are the same thing because they both mean that we must win 1 game.

The only way we don't go in to Cleveland up by at least one is if we lose our next two and they win their next two (hoping of course they lose tonight)

So lets just concentrate on beating them ONE measley game this weekend.

Personally I like Friday night with Mark on the mound. I feel like he will take the bull by the horns and get us that win and then his next win will be in the playoffs.

SouthSide_HitMen
09-27-2005, 09:52 PM
Up to Baez to help the team he should be a member of.

Yeah, we didn't need Contreras, McCarthy, etc. this second half (or the future).

BeviBall!
09-27-2005, 09:53 PM
Yeah, we didn't need Contreras, McCarthy, etc. this second half (or the future).

And we know that was the offer.... how?

JRIG
09-27-2005, 09:53 PM
I am sooooo happy I had the radio on. I couldn't have handled it.



I couldn't get the radio feed tonight in Rockford Didn't matter. I still watched the TV with the sound all the way down. Total silence. Kept me from throwing stuff at the TV. Well, at least until the 8th inning. :cool:

Shoeless Joe
09-27-2005, 09:53 PM
Guys, I yelled at God after they lost on thursday, and they won 3 in a row.... The big man has a talk coming up for him.

LOL. He wasn't too receptive to me in the 9th inning tonight.

NDSox12
09-27-2005, 09:53 PM
In the nicest possible way, I have not agreed with some of Ozzie's moves that last two days.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

:mad:

duke of dorwood
09-27-2005, 09:53 PM
And EVERYONE that spent 10.00 on a Cub Shirt with this Choke emblem


on it-throw it out-WE are the king of the chokers

greenpeach
09-27-2005, 09:54 PM
In the nicest possible way, I have not agreed with some of Ozzie's moves that last two days.

I'll defend Ozzie a bit. He's like a gunslinger who's down to his last bullet with a whole possie of bad guys in front of him.

KW & Jerry are the one's that are wearing the black hats in this western.

Brian26
09-27-2005, 09:54 PM
Serious question: Does our team play up (or down) to the caliber of their opponents?

Optipessimism
09-27-2005, 09:54 PM
Oh God, he didn't actually SAY this, did he?
:o:

He always says this. It started out early in the year when he and DJ would be complimenting Iguchi (which is true), but since then Hawk has been trying to attribute it to the entire team.

"We're a good situational hitting ballclub."

Nope.

"Anytime you run into a good situational hitting ballclub, you can pretty much throw the stats out the window."

Nope.

"I tell you DJ, I think we can beat anybody out there."

Tiggers when it counts?

PaleHoseGeorge
09-27-2005, 09:54 PM
And EVERYONE that spent 10.00 on a Cub Shirt with this Choke emblem


on it-throw it out-WE are the king of the chokers

Everybody who spent $10 buying a Choke t-shirt deserves to be laughed at regardless.

:cool:

FarWestChicago
09-27-2005, 09:55 PM
WE are the king of the chokersSpeak for yourself.

duke of dorwood
09-27-2005, 09:55 PM
I'll defend Ozzie a bit. He's like a gunslinger who's down to his last bullet with a whole possie of bad guys in front of him.

KW & Jerry are the one's that are wearing the black hats in this western.

WHAT?????????????????????????????

SouthSide_HitMen
09-27-2005, 09:56 PM
Oh God, he didn't actually SAY this, did he?
:o:

He's been saying it all season. "Iguchi would be hitting 30 points higher, in fact the whole team sacrifices their stats and batting average to move runners over and get the little things done."

Hawk says many stupid things. This is why I mute the TV when they are on and listen to John and Ed (and this option may be gone next season :(: ).

MRKARNO
09-27-2005, 09:56 PM
We also have, by a large, large margin, the fewest number of at bats with runners in scoring position. That's a bad combo.

We're dead last in doubles. That's what's really killing us. Doubles are essential to rallies, especially when you don't have a huge number of baserunners. We don't get a lot of doubles; hence we don't get a lot of rallies; hence we don't get a lot of runs. That's my theory anyways.

whtsxfn
09-27-2005, 09:56 PM
OMG, the indians got a run in the 9th... ****!!!

Optipessimism
09-27-2005, 09:57 PM
WHAT?????????????????????????????

LMAO. Well said.

PaleHoseGeorge
09-27-2005, 09:57 PM
He's been saying it all season. "Iguchi would be hitting 30 points higher, in fact the whole team sacrifices their stats and batting average to move runners over and get the little things done."

Hawk says many stupid things. This is why I mute the TV when they are on and listen to John and Ed (and this option may be gone next season :(: ).

You can tell I haven't been listening to Hawk very much this season. Whew... and boy am I glad I didn't.
:o:

When Rooney is gone I'm not sure what I'll do.
:(:

gosox83
09-27-2005, 09:58 PM
OMG, the indians got a run in the 9th... ****!!!

WHAT??

it is going to the bottom of the 9th right now...they haven't even come up to bat yet

whtsxfn
09-27-2005, 09:58 PM
Sorry, that was the 8th, it is still 5-3.

LongLiveFisk
09-27-2005, 09:58 PM
Man, I was screaming at my tv when I saw Blum up in that situation. Naturally if he comes through, Ozzie is basically vindicated, but .188?? :?: And since I came home late and just tuned in around this time, I just figured no one must have been left on the bench to ph.

Unbelieveable. God does this one hurt!! :angry:

pczarapa
09-27-2005, 09:58 PM
OMG, the indians got a run in the 9th... ****!!!

That was in the eighth, they haven't come up yet

enurb
09-27-2005, 09:59 PM
Baseball is a game of failure. We failed tonight. Get over it.

Blum was a bad call -- at least, Ozzie won't do it again. Next time a LH pinch hitter is needed, Blum won't get the call. He'll be lucky to be on the playoff roster if I know Ozzie.

And, at least, the Yanks and Tribe are poised to bail us out. Maybe the BoSox will lose too.

As for Rowand, he needs a day off. He looks afraid.

nasox
09-27-2005, 09:59 PM
You can tell I haven't been listening to Hawk very much this season. Whew... and boy am I glad I didn't.
:o:

When Rooney is gone I'm not sure what I'll do.
:(:


I agree, although my Rooney listening stems from not having cable. No Rooney bums me out. I can't stand Hawk when he talks like a Homer.

infohawk
09-27-2005, 09:59 PM
Hey! Did you guys see the stat for how bad we are hitting with runners in scoring position? We are worst in the league according to Bill Melton.
Please forgive me for this random silver lining. I know it doesn't matter a hill of beans right now for this season, but having 94 wins and trailing the entire league in hitting with RISP is a notable accomplishment and bodes well for the team in the future. I say that because when the Sox won 95 games in 2000 they were astronomically good with RISP. The following year they regressed to the mean and, along with pitching injuries, fell off dramatically. All things being equal for next year (hopefully after we advance in the playoffs this year) is that our RISP success can be improved.

That said, I'm frustrated at the current situation the Sox are in and am as angry as the rest of you!!!:angry:

HotelWhiteSox
09-27-2005, 09:59 PM
Final points before I let go of this one (and frantically go to my homework which I would've been smarter to have focused on instead)

- Ozzie didn't deserve for the Sox to take the lead in the 9th, after the **** he pulled in 8th he didn't deserve to have this game in the win column. And Aaron Rowand at the 3 spot??? The hitter, if you've watched the game, who has been the closest to as bad as Carl lately (consistently bad, stick the needle back in ARow)

- Who cares about what TB is doing? The Sox control their own destiny. Play to win, not protective of the lead or feeling like you have a cushion, because before you know it you'll lose and someone will be on your tail...

- New rule by Selig being reviewed by Congress. Apparently, any pitcher that opposes McCarthy is now Johan Santana. Seriously, Robertson was 0-5 in his last 5 starts, ***?

- Also stupid to use Cotts for one batter again (in a tight game) and pinch run for PK (already subbed in some minor leaguers, PK is your only stick, and he was on 1st while the tieing run was on 2nd. Probable that no one was going to score from 1st, the tieing run is the important one, and if he would've tied it and ended the inning, would've lost his bat)

What a bad taste, I'd rather eat my sister in law's cooking than feel like this

Brian26
09-27-2005, 09:59 PM
You can tell I haven't been listening to Hawk very much this season. Whew... and boy am I glad I didn't.
:o:

When Rooney is gone I'm not sure what I'll do.
:(:

I enjoyed Farmio's tirade on Infante earlier in the night when Infante supposedly flicked his bat towards the Sox on-deck circle after his homer.

mantis1212
09-27-2005, 09:59 PM
Sorry, that was the 8th, it is still 5-3.

My god man, DON"T DO THAT!

PaleHoseGeorge
09-27-2005, 09:59 PM
Sorry, that was the 8th, it is still 5-3.

Next person to update Cleveland in this Sox postgame thread gets their post deleted.

More severe penalties to follow.

SouthSide_HitMen
09-27-2005, 09:59 PM
And we know that was the offer.... how?

That was what was reported - there were various insane demands by the Drillrod (LaMarr).

Baez isn't the answer. An "Ace" like Burnett isn't the answer. We needed a hitter and the Reds pulled back Griffey (though he never agreed to it) and there were no other good ones on the block.

Lawton? Please.

Hendu
09-27-2005, 09:59 PM
Considering the fact that we faced the Tiggers without IRod out there to shut down the running game AND received walk after walok after walk, we should have won this game something like 6-3 or so. Instead we lose 3-2.

That is a great point. How many steals did we have? 1? No hit and run attempts, nothing. When you play not to lose, you usually end up losing.

pczarapa
09-27-2005, 10:00 PM
Anyone notice Iguchi's last at-bat? He looked like he'd never swung a bat before, he was taking these crazy half swings about just as the ball went past his bat. He looks like he's really really pressing too hard.

Optipessimism
09-27-2005, 10:00 PM
I'll defend Ozzie a bit. He's like a gunslinger who's down to his last bullet with a whole possie of bad guys in front of him.

KW & Jerry are the one's that are wearing the black hats in this western.

Ozzie is like a bad gambler who won a ton of money at first but then ran into a slide and is now losing money. As opposed to playing smart and slowly winning back his money, he places bigger bets with crappier cards.

PaleHoseGeorge
09-27-2005, 10:01 PM
Dolgin basically calling out Ozzie for the pinch hitting choices.

SouthSide_HitMen
09-27-2005, 10:02 PM
When Rooney is gone I'm not sure what I'll do.
:(:

Learn Spanish during the offseason and then you can understand the Spanish feed (and Ozzie). No teal.

greenpeach
09-27-2005, 10:02 PM
WHAT?????????????????????????????

The literal translation is that we needed some left-handed hitting to fill the void left by Frank's abscence & some relief pitching help. Instead we got Geoff Blum, a weak-hitting, utility infielder who can't hit his weight.

Ozzie is just grasping at straws right now because he has no where to turn to get a clutch hit.

popilius
09-27-2005, 10:03 PM
Blum was a bad call .

Not a bad call, but an unexcusable, phenomenally horrible, shocking, disturbing, and baffling call.

Look, I'm not one to second-guess a lot of calls, it's difficult being a manager. But, the only reason for this is a diagnosed insanity. Guillen should see a psychologist, and I'm not joking.

John Barrett
09-27-2005, 10:05 PM
where's ozzie's interview???? why ND crap

peeonwrigley
09-27-2005, 10:05 PM
Not a bad call, but an unexcusable, phenomenally horrible, shocking, disturbing, and baffling call.

Look, I'm not one to second-guess a lot of calls, it's difficult being a manager. But, the only reason for this is a diagnosed insanity. Guillen should see a psychologist, and I'm not joking.

Ozzie's rationale is going to he a) wanted a switch hitter and b) needed Blum to play 3rd b/c of pinch hitting for Ozuna in the bat previous.

I don't care. Garbage. Bases loaded one out calls for your best option off the bench, hands down.

voodoochile
09-27-2005, 10:06 PM
And EVERYONE that spent 10.00 on a Cub Shirt with this Choke emblem


on it-throw it out-WE are the king of the chokers

Speak for yourself. I ain't choking on anything...

Am I missing something here? I mean the Sox do still lead all teams in the AL and do have a winning record in September, right?

details... details...

I can't wait for the posting to slow down so I cnan move this entire steaming pile of **** to the roadhouse...

ElDuque26
09-27-2005, 10:07 PM
As bad as AJ has been swinging lately, the move to Blum is inexcusable. Blum has been our WORST hitter through the season(when was the last time he played) and seeing him in such a big situation was terrible. You go with AJ who is more likely to hit the ball deep into the outfield and because hes a better hitter no questions asked...12LOB not good enough for a team looking for a division title...

Lip Man 1
09-27-2005, 10:07 PM
Unbelieveable. That's all I think it's best to say right now.

Hello....offense...anybody friggin' home?

Lip

wassagstdu
09-27-2005, 10:10 PM
Now THIS is what a collapse looks like. I didn't see the game, but I saw last night's and by all indications tonight was more of same. To blame all of this futility on Blum is just ridiculous.

.

Frater Perdurabo
09-27-2005, 10:10 PM
:indianslose

I trust George is OK with this tag. Magic number still goes down. Central lead stays the same. One day melts off the schedule. Sox dodge a bullet. No reason to panic.

:supernana:

FanofBill
09-27-2005, 10:10 PM
By the way the INDIANS just lost. Magic # = 4.

gosox83
09-27-2005, 10:11 PM
Dp Dp Dp Dp !!!!!


Go Nuts!!


Injuns Lose!!!

South Sider
09-27-2005, 10:11 PM
:indianslose

enurb
09-27-2005, 10:11 PM
Best record in the AL folks.

Ozzie for manager of the year. One mistake tonight -- ph Blum. Won't happen again.

whitesocks
09-27-2005, 10:11 PM
Gotta love them Devil Rays!

jdm2662
09-27-2005, 10:12 PM
Yeah, why to go to Sox to piss away a golden opportunty to put the division away.

PaleHoseGeorge
09-27-2005, 10:12 PM
I wish I could have heard Wills' call of that final doubleplay.
:cool:

:wills
"Nothing but a bunch of drillrod Tribe fans heading for the exits!"

LongLiveFisk
09-27-2005, 10:12 PM
Hell yeah! I'd rather we won tonight but the magic number is still lowered!

Thanks, D-Rays!! :bandance:

Optipessimism
09-27-2005, 10:12 PM
Just a thought...

I love Harold as much as anyone, but isn't his job supposed to be to say something like, "Hey Ozzie, ***?"

voodoochile
09-27-2005, 10:13 PM
I give up... You can have the split and/or deletions, PHG!

This thread is about to run the gammut of emotions. I say leave it alone it will make great reading in years to come...:D:

PAPChiSox729
09-27-2005, 10:13 PM
Great to hear. But get this out of the Clubhouse. A TB-CLE postgame thread belongs in Talking Baseball. But most importantly, it is down to 4!

peeonwrigley
09-27-2005, 10:14 PM
Now THIS is what a collapse looks like. I didn't see the game, but I saw last night's and by all indications tonight was more of same. To blame all of this futility on Blum is just ridiculous.

.

No one's blaming Blum. He just did what he does... shouldn't have been in that spot.

Frater Perdurabo
09-27-2005, 10:14 PM
I wish I could have heard Wills' call of that final doubleplay.
:cool:

:wills
"Nothing but a bunch of drillrod Tribe fans heading for the exits!"

I have XM, so I heard Cleveland's announcers and the dripping disappointment in their voices. It was also nice to hear the Cleveland crowd go as quiet as a funeral.

:supernana:

SoXPriDe33
09-27-2005, 10:14 PM
Those pesky D-rays :)

DaveIsHere
09-27-2005, 10:14 PM
Best record in the AL folks.

Ozzie for manager of the year. One mistake tonight -- ph Blum. Won't happen again.

Sorry if this is a repeat as I have not read the whole thread, but I was confused that Blum PH when AJ came in behind the plate anyway:?:

billyvsox
09-27-2005, 10:14 PM
I said this yesterday and i'll say it again....Ozzie has LOST the players with his stupid moves. You have to hit TIMO there or even Gload, but no way do you hit Blum. I imagine the players are pretty pissed about this. The only guy going worse then Everett is Rowand, so he gets to hit 3rd????? These kind of actions wear on the rest of the guys. He just dosen't learn or listen. Boy do we need Joe Nossek back on the bench to advise him!!!

halfpricemonday
09-27-2005, 10:15 PM
I wish I could have heard Wills' call of that final doubleplay.
:cool:

:wills
"Nothing but a bunch of drillrod Tribe fans heading for the exits!"

It sounded a bit like "Rays win! Rays win! Rays win!" and he definitely mentioned (I'm paraphrasing here) "how the Indians fail to gain ground on the Chicago White Sox".

Not quite "A White Sox winner!", but I'll take what I can get these days.

whtsxfn
09-27-2005, 10:15 PM
Boy, i know the yankees and red sox didnt loss yet, but what if they both did??? A disaster of a night might turn into a productive night, by getting the # to 4, and getting one day closer to October 2nd.

PaleHoseGeorge
09-27-2005, 10:15 PM
Dolgin just replayed Wills' call from the Tampa broadcast.

He didn't use the word "drillrods" to describe the Tribe fans. But he should have.

:wink:

John Barrett
09-27-2005, 10:16 PM
Best record in the AL folks.

Ozzie for manager of the year. One mistake tonight -- ph Blum. Won't happen again.

why do you think this won't happen again?

CLR01
09-27-2005, 10:16 PM
If the Yanks and B. Sox both lose tonight does that put the number to clinch a playoff spot at 2 (or 4 - 2 automatic Yank or Sox loses)?

popilius
09-27-2005, 10:16 PM
It sounded a bit like "Rays win! Rays win! Rays win!" and he definitely mentioned (I'm paraphrasing here) "how the Indians fail to gain ground on the Chicago White Sox".

Not quite "A White Sox winner!", but I'll take what I can get these days.

Will's call was awesome.

Lip Man 1
09-27-2005, 10:16 PM
I guess my bribe to Willsy for Piniella worked. It would be nice to make this evening complete if both the Yankees and Red Sox lost.
That's at least some good news to come out of this evening...geez if only they had won a friggin' game last night or tonight, what shape they'd be in. It would have been possible to clinch something and take the pressure off the last series.

Lip

Brian26
09-27-2005, 10:16 PM
Ozzie's rationale is going to he a) wanted a switch hitter and b) needed Blum to play 3rd b/c of pinch hitting for Ozuna in the bat previous.

You're joking? He actually said this? He doesn't realize that he could substitute Blum in the bottom half of the 9th for defense? I thought Ozzie knew the National League game. That's awful.

daveeym
09-27-2005, 10:16 PM
Face it NO one in the AL wants to win this thing.

PaleHoseGeorge
09-27-2005, 10:17 PM
Sorry if this is a repeat as I have not read the whole thread, but I was confused that Blum PH when AJ came in behind the plate anyway:?:

We've got 11 pages filling you in on this subject. Enjoy.

:tongue:

CHISOXFAN13
09-27-2005, 10:18 PM
Face it NO one in the AL wants to win this thing.

The only team who won't back in will be the Angels who are likely to have the worst record of the four playoff teams.

This is a crazy race.

The Dude
09-27-2005, 10:19 PM
I saw two fire Ozzie tags used early on. I'm not reading through this ****ing garbage, but Ozzie doesnt leave men on base all ****ing game. Our players should be ashamed of themselves for their performance the past two games. I dont hate my team or manager but I hope they get some kind of fire under their asses because they cant expect TB to barely beat the Toons the next two nights.

Thank you Ronnie Belliard for the GIDP!

ONCE again...we rely on big Jose to get us out of a rut. Jose, we need you big man!

Magic number 4

Hopefully if the O's can hang on, playoff number is 2

Win the next two Sox and get us in the postseason!

SOXSINCE'70
09-27-2005, 10:19 PM
THANK GOD!!!!


The Sox magic # would be 3 if anyone on this team could stay
out of hitting into inning ending double plays.5 in 2 games!!
You'd think Randy Johnson and Shawn Chacon pitch for the Tigers!!
Contreras tomorrow night,Garcia (a road pitcher who excels in
day games) Thursday afternoon.Memo to Sox hitters: You have
made Nate Robertson and Jason Johnson look like Cy Young
candidates.THIS MUST STOP NOW!!And I don't care if he singled twice,
it's time for Crazy Carl to sit his .245 hitting ass on the bench for
at least one game!!:angry: :angry:

"JUST WIN,BABY!!" Al Davis
:notoons :indianslose

PaleHoseGeorge
09-27-2005, 10:20 PM
The only team who won't back in will be the Angels who are likely to have the worst record of the four playoff teams.

This is a crazy race.

Don't forget. When the other teams win, it's momentum. But when the Sox win it's lucky.

And when the other teams lose, it's bad luck. But when the Sox lose it's inevitable.

And then you know everything you need to know about a dozen or so goofball posters here at WSI.

:cool:

Brian26
09-27-2005, 10:21 PM
Are we allowed to post comments about the Redsox/Blue Jays game? Tony G just did something reminiscent of Aaron Rowand. To the 9th....:D:

peeonwrigley
09-27-2005, 10:21 PM
You're joking? He actually said this? He doesn't realize that he could substitute Blum in the bottom half of the 9th for defense? I thought Ozzie knew the National League game. That's awful.

No, I'm just trying to figure out what his rationale was/will be.

enurb
09-27-2005, 10:21 PM
why do you think this won't happen again?

Good question. I'd say, because of the futility of Blum's at bat. He didn't even get the ball past the pitcher. If he does it again (with AJ, Timo, and Gload available), I'd be shocked. If he does it again, then I'm on board with the sentiment here. He'll be reamed in the paper, he may even read this site, and lambasted on the radio -- my gut tells me he won't do it again.

In short, I don't have a good answer for you.

SoxSpeed22
09-27-2005, 10:21 PM
Face it NO one in the AL wants to win this thing.Let me be the first to say, we are gonna see some really crap-tacular baseball in October.

kitekrazy
09-27-2005, 10:22 PM
Ozzie is an idiot, plain and simple, that's the closest I've seen a manager try to throw a game since 1919.

Wow, you must be the oldest dude on this site.

spawn
09-27-2005, 10:22 PM
Either way, Dye had both games on his shoulders and he blew both of them.

Erik

I couldn't get past this post...If I recall yesterday, AJ came up with runners on third with less than two outs twice and didn't get the runs home either time. Hell, Blum hits a sac fly and we go into the 9th down one. These games can't be pinned on just Dye.:rolleyes:

California Sox
09-27-2005, 10:22 PM
Yankees trail 13-7 and Boston trails in second game of DH. If both those teams lose tonight Sox could still clinch a playoff spot in Detroit. But they have to get a couple of hits with men in scoring position.

whtsxfn
09-27-2005, 10:22 PM
Lets just get as many happy thoughts as possible... The White Sox can (if you look at it closly, like we all are) Clinch a playoff spot tom or row... If the scores hold tonight, and both the Red Sox, and Yankees lose again tom or row, and the White Sox win.... Long shot, but its about time we got a break.

kitekrazy
09-27-2005, 10:24 PM
This one ought to be good...:redneck

LOL! I love the humor some people have under such circumstances.

DickAllen72
09-27-2005, 10:24 PM
Let's look on the bright side:

Carl went 2 for 4 tonight. If he has truly broken out of his slump and goes on one of his hot streaks this can be HUGE!

Indians lost so the magic number drops by one and another day comes off the schedule.

If we win three in a row now we win the division! :gulp:

GO WHITE SOX! :bandance: :bandance: :bandance:

voodoochile
09-27-2005, 10:25 PM
thats it

this team SUCKS

i officially hate them

I am totally with you. This team is REALLY pissing me off right now. I can't wait for this season to be over. In the first half they were so exciting to watch with their clutch hitting and dominant pitching but now there could not be a team more boring to watch. They are so UNCLUTCH it's unbelievable.

Not going to make a big deal and this will be my only post on the subject, so if you miss it and you still are stupid enough to do what these two did, tough ****...

These quoted posts are trolling. I don't care how many posts you have. I don't care how much you love the Sox. It's trolling plain and simple. It isn't allowed here.

I like at least one of these posters personally and I didn't ban either one of them, but I have no problem with the fact that they were banned and I won't go to bat for them.

This isn't a dark cloud sunny sky thing, this is about trolls running rampant on the board. We don't allow that here...

:deadtrolls:

longshot7
09-27-2005, 10:26 PM
Thank you Tampa, Baltimore, and Toronto (so far)!!!!!

I'm fighting my "jump off a bridge" tendencies.

Gotta win 3. Tomorrow, Thursday, & Friday.
up 2 with 5 to play. We Can Do This!!!!

Lip Man 1
09-27-2005, 10:26 PM
Dick:

I'd be estatic if they could win one in a row.

Lip

enurb
09-27-2005, 10:26 PM
Tribe to face another tough lefty in Fossum tomorrow. They are lefty heavy, so they will have their hands full.

Any word on when Crede returns?

Lip Man 1
09-27-2005, 10:28 PM
Ozzie said he expected to hear from Crede later this evening.

Lip

PaleHoseGeorge
09-27-2005, 10:28 PM
Dick:

I'd be estatic if they could win one in a row.

Lip

No you wouldn't. You would call them lucky, just like you did last weekend.

We both know it. Just admit it already.

:rolleyes:

kitekrazy
09-27-2005, 10:29 PM
I concur, I'd rather not be there if we're going to play like this and make a joke of Chicago.

So the better choice is a total collapse and be the biggest joke in sports? I hope not. I'd like to see that nice 1st half pay off for a change.

voodoochile
09-27-2005, 10:29 PM
Dick:

I'd be estatic if they could win one in a row.

Lip

Like they did on Friday and Saturday and again on Sunday?

I know I know... yesterday's news, but isn't that what you dark clouds are all about? It happened before... it will happen again...:wink:

peeonwrigley
09-27-2005, 10:29 PM
Now that the mood has lightened up, this gem was in the gamethread and I thought should be shared.

Quote:
Originally Posted by TomBradley72
AJ's good enough to bat last night against a lefty but not the right guy against a RH tonight?

Timo is good enough to start a ton of games this year....but not a better choice then Blum?

Ross Gload hit over .300 at AAA this year...and was 4th in the rookie of the year voting last year...not a better choice then Blum?





Originally Posted by JRIG
Those are Grinder Rule #39, #64, and #132. In that order.

EDIT - Sorry for the weird formatting, it was tough to copy/paste. It made me laugh out loud though.

kitekrazy
09-27-2005, 10:32 PM
Serious question....Has there ever been a team that will most likely win 95-97 games that has this bad of an offense, statistically speaking? Maybe in the pitching eras, so how about in the last 30 years. I haven't looked at the data, but just thinking about it I am having a hard time coming up with one.

Well remember when the Sox looked good on paper and was 2nd fiddle to the Twins?

TomBradley72
09-27-2005, 10:33 PM
Just for the record...Avg. w/RISP 2005:


Gload .250
AJ: .245
Timo: .237
Widger: .176
Blum: .100 :angry:

Avg. vs. RH 2005:


AJ: .264
Widger: .242
Timo: .240
Blum: .197 :angry:
Gload: .185

Not a whole lot to choose from...but seems pretty clear AJ or Timo was the way to go....

Walkman
09-27-2005, 10:33 PM
From all of the panic around here, you would think that we were officially eliminated tonight. Repeat after me: Magic number is 4.

LostInLeftField
09-27-2005, 10:35 PM
Blum the stiff barely hit the ball eighteen feet past home plate in a bases loaded, one out situation. *** is Ozzie thinking? How much money does Ozzie's Venezuelan "god fathers" have on these games? Why is Guillen throwing games? Nevermind, I know why...

enurb
09-27-2005, 10:35 PM
For the record, Timo is hitting .225, has a .271 obp, and has a .579 ops.

Blum wasn't the right call -- not with AJ and Gload available.

But, Perez? Sure he has a couple of clutch hits this year, but c'mon. Between Blum and Perez, it's a coin toss.

Law11
09-27-2005, 10:36 PM
http://stunninghealth.com/health-products/defibrillator.htm?OVRAW=buy%20heart%20difibulators&OVKEY=heart%20difibulators&OVMTC=advanced


I think Ive taken 10 years off of my life since August...

Lip Man 1
09-27-2005, 10:36 PM
"I'd rather be lucky then good..." - Bill Russell.

At this point I'll take some 'luck.' Also perhaps some are confusing me with someone else. I looked back through all my posts through Friday morning. I don't see where I called the Sox 'lucky' anyplace. (no teal...serious)

Lip

iamkoza
09-27-2005, 10:36 PM
It was an absolutely terrible move by Guillen! Even Timo could have pinch hit there. Can someone please tell me why in the HELL Blum is up to bat at this point?

This loss really, really was painful. Another night without sleep, and my stomach is turning. . . and I smashed a few things in my house tonight. . .

:angry:

Timo hasn't played mucha t all lately.... a month or so ago it seemed like he was playing 2 times a week.... is there something to this? Anyone but blum would have been better.... I'd take jose valetin vs. a lefty over blum

voodoochile
09-27-2005, 10:38 PM
Blum the stiff barely hit the ball eighteen feet past home plate in a bases loaded, one out situation. *** is Ozzie thinking? How much money does Ozzie's Venezuelan "god fathers" have on these games? Why is Guillen throwing games? Nevermind, I know why...

You do? Okay at least that makes one of us...

Later, dumbass...

whtsxfn
09-27-2005, 10:38 PM
From all of the panic around here, you would think that we were officially eliminated tonight. Repeat after me: Magic number is 4.

Repeat after me: Were clinching tomorrow.

popilius
09-27-2005, 10:38 PM
Ozzie said he expected to hear from Crede later this evening.

Lip

Hope everything's alright with Crede's wife. . . for their sake and ours. . . we definitely need his hot bat going into Cleveland.

Dotson34
09-27-2005, 10:38 PM
Also if Ozzie sent AJ, Timo or Gload up to hit for Widger, it's likely that Trammell would have brought in Walker the lefty, who was a problem for AJ last night. The only benefit of Blum was that Trammell couldn't play righty-lefty game - if Walker comes in maybe you send up Anderson to it but that was one situation where not having Ozuna on the bench hurt.

What's important now is that the Jays hold on to their 7-5 9th inning lead and the Orioles hold their 13-8 lead (bottom of the 7th).

TomBradley72
09-27-2005, 10:38 PM
For the record, Timo is hitting .225, has a .271 obp, and has a .579 ops.

Blum wasn't the right call -- not with AJ and Gload available.

But, Perez? Sure he has a couple of clutch hits this year, but c'mon. Between Blum and Perez, it's a coin toss.

I'd disagree....with all of Timo's faults...he seems to have a knack for the big hit over the two years he's been with the Sox...and seems pretty good at getting a decent cut...for a sac fly etc...Blum is all but useless on offense.

Brian26
09-27-2005, 10:39 PM
But, Perez? Sure he has a couple of clutch hits this year, but c'mon. Between Blum and Perez, it's a coin toss.

:hawk

"Don't tell me what you hit. Tell me when you hit it."

:DJ

"Mmmhmm."

Lip Man 1
09-27-2005, 10:40 PM
Voodoo says: "It happened before... it will happen again...:wink:"

Voodoo as soon as the Sox win something or at least get to the series then that argument is out the window. Until then I beg your indulgence for looking at history. Until they give me reason to think otherwise with some tangible results I don't know any other way to look at this issue and try to come up with an answer.

Lip

iamkoza
09-27-2005, 10:42 PM
Also if Ozzie sent AJ, Timo or Gload up to hit for Widger, it's likely that Trammell would have brought in Walker the lefty, who was a problem for AJ last night. The only benefit of Blum was that Trammell couldn't play righty-lefty game - if Walker comes in maybe you send up Anderson to it but that was one situation where not having Ozuna on the bench hurt.

What's important now is that the Jays hold on to their 7-5 9th inning lead and the Orioles hold their 13-8 lead (bottom of the 7th).

i could get geoff blum out, the aquisition was kinda silly to begin with considering how awful he was during his last tour of duty in the AL with tampa

DannyCaterFan
09-27-2005, 10:42 PM
The magic number may be down to four, but what is there to be excited about? I am as big a fan as there is, but after throwing my TIVO remote and smashing it to smithereens when Blum hit into that double play, I finally realize this team stinks! We're backing into the playoffs folks. The Sox have not played right since August. What the heck has got into Ozzie this last month? He is managing like he has never been there before. He makes moves nightly that totally amaze me. Pinch hitting Blum tonight, while A.J., and Timo were on the bench? And last night, not hitting for AJ? And by the way, does Everett have pictures of Ozzie or something?
The entire team is so tight right now. They better get their act together fast. I think that if they get to the playoffs, at least they can forget about the "Choking" possibility, and hopefully they will play with that off of their minds.
This has just been terrible!
I have to go order a new TIVO remote. Maybe I should buy 2 of them.

TaylorStSox
09-27-2005, 10:43 PM
Aaron Rowand in the 3 spot? No thank you! I never usually single out guys in the post game thread, but he SUCKS right now. Actually, his production's been off all year.

I'd like to see Anderson become the permanent CF next year. Until then, I hope Rowand can prove me wrong.

PaleHoseGeorge
09-27-2005, 10:43 PM
Voodoo says: "It happened before... it will happen again...:wink:"

Voodoo as soon as the Sox win something or at least get to the series then that argument is out the window. Until then I beg your indulgence for looking at history. Until they give me reason to think otherwise with some tangible results I don't know any other way to look at this issue and try to come up with an answer.

Lip

This is WAAAAAY over the top, Lip. The Sox have 25 guys on the roster (plus a few others not playoff eligible)

AND NOT A ****ING ONE OF THEM PLAYED FOR ALL THE HISTORY THAT MAKES YOU MISERABLE.

Is that enough of a reason for you?????

Take the rest of the night off.

dlee120
09-27-2005, 10:43 PM
Serious question: Does our team play up (or down) to the caliber of their opponents?

April-Mid July no, since absolutley!:angry: This is the one thing that gives me hope for the playoffs (if we make it). When we run up against quality opponents we should play up to caliber against them. Also we are playing not to lose ball games which is causing us to lose them. If they can just unclench their ***es and play to win they should be fine. Or Atleast tolerable to watch.




yes, unfortunately I do share the same name as the first baseman for the lesser chicago team.

CHISOXFAN13
09-27-2005, 10:44 PM
Dick:

I'd be estatic if they could win one in a row.

Lip

And it might take only one win to virtually lock up a trip to the postseason tomorrow.

I'm frustrated too, but knowing that none of the other teams (thus far) have not helped their cause takes the sting away a little bit tonight.

Those other three squads would love to be in the Sox position right now.

DannyCaterFan
09-27-2005, 10:45 PM
Also if Ozzie sent AJ, Timo or Gload up to hit for Widger, it's likely that Trammell would have brought in Walker the lefty, who was a problem for AJ last night. The only benefit of Blum was that Trammell couldn't play righty-lefty game - if Walker comes in maybe you send up Anderson to it but that was one situation where not having Ozuna on the bench hurt.

What's important now is that the Jays hold on to their 7-5 9th inning lead and the Orioles hold their 13-8 lead (bottom of the 7th).

Good point Dot, but I would have gone with Timo either way

TaylorStSox
09-27-2005, 10:45 PM
I've just about had all the Hawk I can take. We need a professional broadcaster who's going to have some stones when calling a game.

kitekrazy
09-27-2005, 10:46 PM
The literal translation is that we needed some left-handed hitting to fill the void left by Frank's abscence & some relief pitching help. Instead we got Geoff Blum, a weak-hitting, utility infielder who can't hit his weight.


If you look back then, so many teams had playoff hopes. The Pirates ran out of good players for their annual fire sale.

You have to accept the fact no quality players were available.

Vernam
09-27-2005, 10:46 PM
After the outing by McCarthy, I expect a Bring Back El Duque movement any time now. Or maybe not . . . Anyway, final score says the kid wasn't terrible, though the score doesn't tell it all. The playoff rotation became much clearer tonight, and I'm betting Conteras goes on 3 days' rest if Sunday counts. Let's hope it doesn't.

I'm no Ozzie basher, but seeing Blum made my flesh crawl. He hasn't taken advantage of the expanded roster, for whatever reason. There were so many other options instead of a light-hitting utility guy who's barely batted this month. Putting Gload in to run made zero sense, too, unless he runs as well as Anderson. Which he doesn't.

Bottom line: We've dropped two straight to the Tigers, yet our magic number went down by one.

Vernam

kevingrt
09-27-2005, 10:47 PM
Only one thing need be said, where was TIMO???

At leas the Injuns lost...

slavko
09-27-2005, 10:47 PM
That Cleveland Series is going to be one for the ages. Both teams will dine on pregame meals of golf balls and play the game in diapers instead of baseball pants.

California Sox
09-27-2005, 10:50 PM
Boston Loses 7-5.

BRDSR
09-27-2005, 10:52 PM
The night started out pretty awful but only got better. The Indians and Red Sox lost and with the Yankees down 13-8 in the 8th it looks like they'll lose too. With everybody and their mother losing tonight, here are the White Sox' "Control your own destiny numbers."

1 Win guarantees at least a Monday one-game playoff
2 Wins guarantees the Wild Card and a playoff berth
3 Wins guarantees the Central Division Championship and home field advantage in the first round.
4 Wins guarantees home field advantage through the playoffs.

With Five games left, the news looks good. The Sox just need to start playing some situational baseball at the plate and they'll be in great shape.

The Dude
09-27-2005, 10:52 PM
Only one thing need be said, where was TIMO???

At leas the Injuns lost...

And if Timo GIDPd, most of the crazy posters would say..."Ozzie you moron! Why'd you put in Timo???" ITS NOT OZZIE THAT IS UP AT THE PLATE TIME AND TIME AGAIN STRANDING RUNNERS!

Yes, Blum was probably a mistake, but who's mistake was it every ****ing time we have a shot to score and happen to either K, GIDP, pop up, ground out, fly out, or simply stick our heads up our asses to a sorry excuse for a team like the Kittens.

You people are looking for a goat, and it sure is easy to say Ozzie than saying : AJ, Dye, Rowand, Gooch, Pods, etc. Our team isnt playing good baseball with situational hitting and maybe that goes to a man like Greg Walker. Ozzie is at fault sure, but doesnt deserve all the blame of this ****ty ass execution.

Am I wrong??? Am I wrong??? That lineup really tied the team together earlier this season....did it not?

enurb
09-27-2005, 10:52 PM
Maybe . . . just maybe, Ozzie was trying to send a message to AJ by opting for Blum over him. AJ did fail last night in a similar situation. Even if it wasn't his intent, maybe . . just maybe this lights a fire under AJ.

Brian26
09-27-2005, 10:53 PM
Levine just played an interview with Ozzie trying to explain the reason for using Blum. I couldn't understand it.

soxjim
09-27-2005, 10:53 PM
I somehow should be feeling good. The indians lost. However, we left 12 on and had some interesting play calling. Made me yell at the TV even with my strep throat. Come on guys lets stop playing around and clinch this thing. :angry:

longshot7
09-27-2005, 10:55 PM
I totally understand someone having a problem when one of us mentions 1917, because none of us were there, so realistically NONE of us has been through 87 years of heartbreak.

But, I can say the Sox have not won a postseason series in my lifetime (almost 30 years), and that is frustrating. 30 years is my history, and it has not been fruitful. However, there is always hope.

Now that being said, I am still solidly behind this team, and despite my nervousness, I still have that feeling I had during April, May & June when they were on fire. We can do this!! FO SHO!

The sky is not falling. Not yet.

PaleHoseGeorge
09-27-2005, 10:55 PM
I somehow should be feeling good.

Some of us deal with the stress much better than you. Cleveland lost and so did Boston in the night cap. Yankees are losing.

"Somehow", you need to get a ****ing grip. Okay?

MERPER
09-27-2005, 10:57 PM
Again, keeping positive.... Boston and Cleveland both lost tonight.... Yanks down 13-8 in eighth.....

While the Sox have issues with winning, a loss by every other team fighting with us means it's just another game off the schedule and we maintain a healthy lead in everything... keep in mind Boston and NY play one another three more times guranteeing 2 losses to one of them

Only way this situation would backfire is if NY or BOS wins the next 2 and the other loses the next 2 before they meet...

I've said it before and I'll say it again.... Just get in the playoffs and it doesn't matter!!!

:)

whtsxfn
09-27-2005, 11:00 PM
Who will celebrate the "unofficial" clinch tomororw???

popilius
09-27-2005, 11:00 PM
Levine just played an interview with Ozzie trying to explain the reason for using Blum. I couldn't understand it.

Well, Ozzie said that he sent up Blum because he's a switch hitter. He also noted that if he sent up a left-hander, he would have "lost 3 hitters with one at-bat." But, I don't see why he would have lost more than just 2.

Anyway, trying to understand this move has been beaten into the ground already. I'm done. I'm going try to get some sleep and wake up pretending it never happened. I mean, the Sox left so many guys on base that one move shouldn't decide the game.

That said, LET'S GO GUYS! Take a deep breath and try to relax tomorrow! Here's to another solid start by Contreras. . .

Mickster
09-27-2005, 11:00 PM
:) :) :) :)

PaleHoseGeorge
09-27-2005, 11:01 PM
One post-game thread only guys, okay?

TheOldRoman
09-27-2005, 11:02 PM
Yes, the Sox have humiliated themselves the past two nights. Yes, they should have thrashed the Tigers the past two nights. We should be in better shape than we our, however, we are still in great shape.
The Sox seem like they have played down to their competition lately. At least come next Tuesday, they will have to play up to their competition.
I still like our chances better than anyone else's in the AL, but if we play like we did the last two nights, it will be a short playoffs for the Sox.

enurb
09-27-2005, 11:03 PM
Ozzie should get credit for making the best call of the day. Here's a quote from the mlb article in another thread regarding Crede -- stand behind Ozzie even if you question the Blum pinch-hit:

***

But some matters hold far greater importance than a drive for the postseason, even in the last week of the 2005 season, while protecting a two-game lead in the American League Central. In Crede's case, he returned home to Missouri to be with his wife, Lisa, who was suffering complications during her current pregnancy with the couple's second child.


Crede called Guillen as the White sox manager was heading to the clubhouse Tuesday, and Guillen told Crede to return home and be with his family, without going too deep into the details of the situation. Guillen said prior to Tuesday's game that he hoped to have Crede back Wednesday, but if he needed to stay with his wife, it should be his top priority.

"I believe in family," said Guillen, repeating a familiar mantra mentioned since he first took over the White Sox managerial reigns. "You play baseball as a career, this is your job. "But like I say, when you are done with this uniform, nobody cares about you. Your family will care forever, especially where kids are involved."

whtsxfn
09-27-2005, 11:05 PM
Huh? Explain your calculations.
If ur telling me... then, Well Yanks lose, red sox lose, white sox win.. down to 2, they play each other, one losses 2... CLINCH UNOFFICIALLY TOMORORW!!!

HEY, why not???

CaptainBallz
09-27-2005, 11:09 PM
I unfortunately only saw that sorry excuse for a top of the ninth (sorry Paulie--not enough). What was the situation with Blum? Why was there only 1 WS run on the board?? WHY, O' WHY DID THEY LOSE THIS OF ALL GAMES???!!!!

Bittersweet with the Toon loss. GUYS---IT'S DETROIT!!!!!! FFS!!!

California Sox
09-27-2005, 11:12 PM
Yankees now down eight heading to the top of the ninth. Even their offense is going to have trouble coming back against that.

RowanDye
09-27-2005, 11:14 PM
I'm sleeping well tonite with the consolation that at least our rotation didn't give up 17 runs and counting to the Orioles like NY is doing tonite. Mercy! Can you imagine what this board would be like if we lost today's game 17-9!!!

ilsox7
09-27-2005, 11:15 PM
I'm sleeping well tonite with the consolation that at least our rotation didn't give up 17 runs and counting to the Orioles like NY is doing tonite. Mercy! Can you imagine what this board would be like if we lost today's game 17-9!!!

They'd be happy b/c our offense scored some runs.

Magic number decreases for division. Magic number decreases for Wild Card. Fat trimmed from WSI. All good if you ask me, except I am sure the mods could do without the excess work of banning.

Shorty1983
09-27-2005, 11:16 PM
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I actually felt good about LTP comming up to plate. Too bad my feeling was cut short when Blumkin PH. Ozzie has made some bad decisions this year, but this one takes the cake. On a postive note, B-Mac once again gave us a quality start.


Go get'em Contreras!

kevingrt
09-27-2005, 11:18 PM
And if Timo GIDPd, most of the crazy posters would say..."Ozzie you moron! Why'd you put in Timo???" ITS NOT OZZIE THAT IS UP AT THE PLATE TIME AND TIME AGAIN STRANDING RUNNERS!

Yes, Blum was probably a mistake, but who's mistake was it every ****ing time we have a shot to score and happen to either K, GIDP, pop up, ground out, fly out, or simply stick our heads up our asses to a sorry excuse for a team like the Kittens.

You people are looking for a goat, and it sure is easy to say Ozzie than saying : AJ, Dye, Rowand, Gooch, Pods, etc. Our team isnt playing good baseball with situational hitting and maybe that goes to a man like Greg Walker. Ozzie is at fault sure, but doesnt deserve all the blame of this ****ty ass execution.

Am I wrong??? Am I wrong??? That lineup really tied the team together earlier....did it not?

The Dude is Right on the BULLSEYE!

DaleJRFan
09-27-2005, 11:20 PM
http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/images/players/mugshot/ph_435042.jpg
"Put me in! I'm eligible for the playoff roster!! Hey, I can't be any worse than that other guy."

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/images/players/mugshot/ph_400023.jpg "Boy, do I suck or what?"

Almost ALL of Anderson's outs this season have been fly balls. Why didn't he PH??? I was yelling at the TV for the second night in a row... and I'm a bright blue sky Sox fan. I guess that's why I'm a fan... and Ozzie's the manager. The odds were in Aaron's favor to NOT hit into a DP after doing it every freaking at bat before his last...... but he seemingly couldn't resist. Konerko came through, as usual. Don't get me started about Dye.

Hey Randar, still want Dye to play 1B next year?

Think the Tigers would take Dye for Ordonez, straight up??

ilsox7
09-27-2005, 11:22 PM
Think the Tigers would take Dye for Ordonez, straight up??

I wouldn't trade Dye for Ordonez straight-up. We save $10MM a year and get everything Maggs was minus 25 points on the BA? Worth the trade-off, IMO. Not to mention, JD played more than half a season this year.