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RedHeadPaleHoser
09-26-2005, 08:51 PM
GEEZ.:mad:

Deuce
09-26-2005, 08:51 PM
Well, that ****ing sucked.

SportsPg
09-26-2005, 08:51 PM
Trouble in motown....we need tomorrow :?:

CanBuehrleWait
09-26-2005, 08:52 PM
Keep Aj out the bloody 3 hole. He doesn't have Bonds hitting behind him anymore.

Viva Medias B's
09-26-2005, 08:52 PM
Didn't Ozzie say we virtually need two more victories to clinch a playoff berth?

cheeses_h_rice
09-26-2005, 08:52 PM
Way to let Cleveland back into the race, guys.

Not a bad game by Jon, but 2 homers to Brandon freaking Inge didn't help.

wsoxfan
09-26-2005, 08:52 PM
A.J. is NOT a #3 hitter!!!:angry:

dpbyron
09-26-2005, 08:52 PM
WHY CAN"T THIS BE EASY :angry: :angry:

BearSox
09-26-2005, 08:52 PM
Time to try someone new at the 3rd spot :angry:

The Dude
09-26-2005, 08:52 PM
Living and dying by the long ball will only get you so far.

Tough loss again!

We need the rest of this series and another big game for BMac tomorrow night!

RedHeadPaleHoser
09-26-2005, 08:52 PM
Trouble in motown....we need tomorrow :?:

Yeah...what was an easy 4 game series is now a NEED 3 of 4...no questions asked.

ChiSox62-
09-26-2005, 08:52 PM
You think maybe the AJ in the 3 hole thing will be done with? And maybe next time in that situation you pinch hit for him? Its alrite though. they were not going to win out. What matters is what they do tomorrow. No losing streaks. Go Sox! They will get em tomorrow.

Viva Medias B's
09-26-2005, 08:52 PM
Bench Crazy Carl?

SoxSpeed22
09-26-2005, 08:52 PM
Garland could've been worse, AJ and JD were brutal. I would have Rowand as 3.

wassagstdu
09-26-2005, 08:53 PM
Slow bats, long looping swings.

.

duke of dorwood
09-26-2005, 08:53 PM
Maybe we will stop giving them outs with bunts tomorrow. :angry:

Kogs35
09-26-2005, 08:53 PM
jermain please try to hit the ball for a single and not hr's. this sticks :angry: :angry: :angry:

chisoxmike
09-26-2005, 08:53 PM
It's always a ****ing struggle!!!:angry: :angry: :angry:


What a shot in the foot.

A.T. Money
09-26-2005, 08:53 PM
Guillen screwed up by not pinch hitting for AJ in the 8th. Nice bunt by Rowand in the 9th.

Losing to a team 25 ****ing games below you in the standings is totally unacceptable, and to allow a rookie to take you deep to end it? This makes me sick.

This was game that had to be won, and you let this horrible team beat you. That's sick.

jshanahanjr
09-26-2005, 08:53 PM
We have a gaping hole in the 3 hole! No offense to AJ or Rowand.

JUribe1989
09-26-2005, 08:53 PM
Not getting the run in with 2nd and 3rd 1 out in the 8th lost the game. Poor execution. Go out and get them tomorrow.

RedHeadPaleHoser
09-26-2005, 08:53 PM
Bench Crazy Carl?

Tell me how it hurts..except for the two HBP tonight.

PAPChiSox729
09-26-2005, 08:53 PM
Well that was quick.

The lead is 2. Not great. Not good at all. We should have won this one.

peeonwrigley
09-26-2005, 08:53 PM
AJ, kiss that #3 hole goodbye.

Why did Carl have to pick this part of the year to suck?

MarkZ35
09-26-2005, 08:53 PM
Terrible .. Just Terrible ... I've never seen a team leave so many guys on base and especially scoring position.

BeviBall!
09-26-2005, 08:53 PM
This is not a team looking to wrap this thing up. AJ blew two opportunities to get a run in with a sac fly and failed miserably. Ozzie not pinch-hitting for him in the 8th was just plain stupid.

Other than that, Garland has to pitch better. Way to ride that momentum! The kid's gonna have to show them how it's done tomorrow.

MarySwiss
09-26-2005, 08:54 PM
Way to suck, boys! Anytime you want to step up, especially you, AJ. Big strong mans should be able to AT LEAST hit a long sacrifice fly.

antitwins13
09-26-2005, 08:54 PM
Shoulda pitched Jenks!!!!!!!!!!

slobes
09-26-2005, 08:54 PM
That 8th inning really hurt.Dang, it woulda been nice to go into Cleveland with the division already won

JUribe1989
09-26-2005, 08:54 PM
Bench Crazy Carl?

Yes

mrs. hendu
09-26-2005, 08:54 PM
:whiner: :angry:

There's no trying, there should be winning only. ***?!

Madvora
09-26-2005, 08:54 PM
It seems like every single game we've lost since August 1st has totally been our fault.

Failed scoring opportunites or bone head plays. Take your pick.

nordhagen
09-26-2005, 08:54 PM
Got to get em in and get em over this time of year and just keep adding on instead of going for 3 or 4 at once. And now they've got to forget about it and move on to tomorrow

32nd&Wallace
09-26-2005, 08:54 PM
I'm sorry, but does anyone else here hate the sacrifice....I just think its pointless...maybe i'm ignorant about baseball, but i see very few situations and very few teams where where this is acceptable and where this works...

RedHeadPaleHoser
09-26-2005, 08:55 PM
This damned division will come down to Sunday's game.....DAMN.

Cowhead418
09-26-2005, 08:55 PM
Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

FloridaSox
09-26-2005, 08:55 PM
:whiner: :angry:

There's no trying, there should be winning only. ***?!

...win these kind of games.

Dub25
09-26-2005, 08:55 PM
Someone remind the Sox that when you win and the Indians lose on the same DOES NOT MEAN YOU ARE IN THE PLAYOFFS.


Note to Ozzie:

No more days off for anyone because it seems like every third or fourth game the team takes a day off.

A.T. Money
09-26-2005, 08:55 PM
Why the hell is Everett still in the lineup? I'd be willing to try ANYONE over him at this point. Gload, Anderson, Willie Harris!!!!!

MRKARNO
09-26-2005, 08:56 PM
Watch this series go right as the last one did: One obnoxious loss in game one and three straight wins afterwards.

RedHeadPaleHoser
09-26-2005, 08:56 PM
Note to Ozzie:

No more days off for anyone because it seems like every third or fourth game the team takes a day off.

Truest thing said all day. Knit one, pearl two does not a division win.

Deuce
09-26-2005, 08:56 PM
Should have brought in Ozuna for AJ in the 8th...

Jerko
09-26-2005, 08:57 PM
Quit using Politte in the 9th inning! :angry: :angry: :angry:

JUribe1989
09-26-2005, 08:57 PM
McCarthy, Contreras and Garcia the rest of the series. This is a very winnable series. Now go out and get it done.

SoxSpeed22
09-26-2005, 08:57 PM
Watch this series go right as the last one did: One obnoxious loss in game one and three straight wins afterwards.I would love for this to happen in the ALDS and then 4 straight in the ALCS and WS.

WikdChiSoxFan
09-26-2005, 08:57 PM
hey, how bout getting a run in when we have a man on third with 1 out!?!?!?!?!


i'm looking at you ADGE and you DIGGITYDYE....

you frustrate me...that was our game....

we could make some really make some good money by selling our talents...all though i'm not sure what the going market rate is for sucking...
:angry: :whiner: :angry: :whiner: :angry:

i'm not afraid to cry...this is bs

MarkZ35
09-26-2005, 08:57 PM
Carl's terrible. He doesn't look like he has a chance to get a hit when he's up. We've really gotten away from the ball we've played all year. This was the Garland of 02-04. Give up big homeruns to non home run hitters. I really think they need to put Rowand in the 3 hole, and give one of the rookies a chance instead of Crazy Carl.

CYGarland20
09-26-2005, 08:58 PM
Should have brought in Ozuna for AJ in the 8th... Bingo. Ozzie is a HORRIBLE in game manager

BeviBall!
09-26-2005, 08:58 PM
Carl shouldn't even dress tomorrow. He is pathetic out there. Gload, Gload, Gload, Gload, Gload. How many times can we say it???

Hopefully Guillen and Pudge will both miss tomorrow seeing as they left the game with injuries.

Deuce
09-26-2005, 08:58 PM
Quit using Politte in the 9th inning! :angry: :angry: :angry:

I don't mind using Politte in the ninth, because most everyone else sucks. Bullpen is not getting it done. Game should not have been tied.

Deuce

wdelaney72
09-26-2005, 08:59 PM
Yeah, I'm so glad Detroit's hung 'em up for the season. They didn't like they enjoyed playing the spoiler at all.

Whitesox029
09-26-2005, 08:59 PM
WHY CAN"T THIS BE EASY :angry: :angry:
You're a mind reader.

JB98
09-26-2005, 08:59 PM
This just in: SMALL BALL SUCKS!

Rowand has never been a good bunter. He failed in both the seventh and ninth innings. This should come as no surprise. I know he can't bunt. You know he can't bunt. Why doesn't Ozzie know that?

The real outrage was the eighth inning. First and second, no outs for one of our best hitters in Iguchi. What does Ozzie do? Take the bat out of his hands by ordering a bunt. Tadahito, good player that he is, executes. But all that does is open the door for Trammell to bring in a lefty specialist to face AJ. At that point, we have two options: Pinch-hit or have AJ face Walker. Neither of those is favorable for the Sox. The best option was to have Iguchi swing away and try to give us the lead.

I'm sure someone will disagree and lecture me about "playing the game the right way." Whatever. :angry:

Jerko
09-26-2005, 09:00 PM
I don't mind using Politte in the ninth, because most everyone else sucks. Bullpen is not getting it done. Game should not have been tied.

Deuce

True, but Politte + 9th inning = runs almost every time. Oh well, win the next 6.

delben91
09-26-2005, 09:01 PM
That sucked.

Do a job tomorrow.

GO SOX!

kevingrt
09-26-2005, 09:02 PM
I pray we come back tomorrow...

LETS GO B-MAC!!!!

BeviBall!
09-26-2005, 09:03 PM
I believe NYY and BOS both have to play DHers tomorrow. That's a pretty good break for us.

EDIT: Yanks playing now.

MarySwiss
09-26-2005, 09:03 PM
We have a gaping hole in the 3 hole! No offense to AJ or Rowand.

No offense to Rowand, but I am gettiing sick and tired of AJ. I don't mind that he can't get a clutch hit, but after all these years in the majors, he should at least be able to hit a sacrifice fly.

Come to think of it, I'm getting sick and tired of the roller coaster this team has us on. Up, Down, Up, Down. Sox players, you may think this is funny, but WE DON'T! So either step up and put this thing away, or lay down and die. Not trying!

CYGarland20
09-26-2005, 09:04 PM
I believe NYY and BOS both have to play DHers tomorrow. That's a pretty good break for us.Ny is playing right now. 0-0 in the 4th

JB98
09-26-2005, 09:04 PM
Why the hell is Everett still in the lineup? I'd be willing to try ANYONE over him at this point. Gload, Anderson, Willie Harris!!!!!

*****

Carl led off the seventh inning by.....getting on base.
Carl led off the ninth inning by....getting on base.

Yeah, this loss is Carl's fault.

Find yourselves another scapegoat.

SoxFan78
09-26-2005, 09:04 PM
Why can't this team score when they have men in scoring position in late, tight games? I swear, I wish they would be consistent. Either consistently good or consistently bad, at least I know what im getting. I dont know how im gonna make it another 6 games...

MarkZ35
09-26-2005, 09:05 PM
It keeps looking more and more and more that the Sox don't care and that they want this season to come down to the last series with Cleveland. I hate to sound like a fair weather fan or a bandwagon fan but its gunna be hard to go to the park next year if they blow this lead and not make the playoffs.

mr_genius
09-26-2005, 09:06 PM
Well, our situational hitting has sucked lately...

not good

ChiSoxGirl
09-26-2005, 09:07 PM
I had a feeling about this game when Inge tied it up- twice- and it wasn't a good one. Poor Garland gets the short end of the stick yet again. This is one of those games that is going to sit with us until tomorrow night at 6p. I'm pissed off about this one because time is running out and the Sox have managed to let Cleveland right back into this race. :angry:

We have one option and one option only: Just Win!!!

ElDuque26
09-26-2005, 09:08 PM
i was suprised by having tad bunt in the 8th. he has such good bat control and letting him hit would have been a smart, but risky move. Ozzie played it safe which is fine but then let A.J. face a tough lefty...NOT FINE...2nd and 3rd...Ozuna would be a solid choice or timo with the squeeze? seemed like the perfect time but we gotta come through when it matters and aside from paulie and Joe its been lackin lately

BeviBall!
09-26-2005, 09:08 PM
Garland surrendered two leads tonight. Everett looks completely lost, but at least he took two for the team. AJ is not a #3 hitter.

Look at Detroit celebrating and use that as motivation. They have to face an 18 game loser tomorrow... make it 19.

itsnotrequired
09-26-2005, 09:08 PM
A frustrating loss but not the end of the world. Sox win three more games and they are GUARANTEED a playoff spot, regardless of what anyone else does. I'm still "officially" nervous but not ready to jump off the ledge quite yet.

whtsxfn
09-26-2005, 09:08 PM
Does anyone wanna give me a hug??? i dont think i will be doing a lot of sleeping tonight.


I just cant wait till a week from now, unless we dont make it, then i can wait.

CYGarland20
09-26-2005, 09:09 PM
It keeps looking more and more and more that the Sox don't care and that they want this season to come down to the last series with Cleveland. I hate to sound like a fair weather fan or a bandwagon fan but its gunna be hard to go to the park next year if they blow this lead and not make the playoffs.We only need to win 2 games to at least tie for a playoff spot, that's assuming Ny and Boston sweep Baltimore and Toronto, then either 1 of them loses 2 out of 3 vs each other.............. If we don't make the playoffs, it would be an ABSLOUTE choke job.

mccoydp
09-26-2005, 09:11 PM
What a crap game.

Thank goodness for Konerko and Crede.

Go get 'em tomorrow!

Greg1983
09-26-2005, 09:12 PM
Not that I'm at all convinced the Sox will make the playoffs, but even if they do, I just don't see any signs that this team could do any damage once they get there. Playoff-caliber teams do not give up home runs to nobodies like we did tonight (Garland and bullpen), and they do not strand runners like we did in the 8th.

Playoff teams find ways to by-god get things done. Tonight, this team was pathetic, disgusting, a travi-sham-ockery.

I've seen the Sox make the postseason 3 times, only to wither and fade like hothouse flowers once they got there. Frankly, and I know some may disagree with this, but I'm not interested in seeing that happen again. I'd rather save myself the indigestion and see them crash and burn now. I want a team on a roll, and whatever we had cooking at the Cell this weekend is sure as hell gone now.

:angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:

whitesoxfan
09-26-2005, 09:12 PM
we lost the first game against Minnesota in pretty similar fashion. We came back to win the next 3 against them. No reason why we can't do the same thing to Detroit.

Lip Man 1
09-26-2005, 09:13 PM
This was a winnable game. Period. Barring a melt down by Cleveland it is now going to come down to that final series. It is not over yet.

Win at least two in Detroit and hope you get some help.

By the way what is it about kids from the Chicago area? Emil Brown...Grandeson?? They have really hurt the Sox this season.

Lip

Blueprint1
09-26-2005, 09:14 PM
I hate games like this. Can't we just make the playoffs. We have won 94 games come on give us a break.

CYGarland20
09-26-2005, 09:15 PM
3-0 Ny :angry:

JB98
09-26-2005, 09:16 PM
i was suprised by having tad bunt in the 8th. he has such good bat control and letting him hit would have been a smart, but risky move. Ozzie played it safe which is fine but then let A.J. face a tough lefty...NOT FINE...2nd and 3rd...Ozuna would be a solid choice or timo with the squeeze? seemed like the perfect time but we gotta come through when it matters and aside from paulie and Joe its been lackin lately

We always hear about how Ozzie does things the other manager doesn't expect. Well, he's been following the book way too freakin' much lately. The Tigers knew Iguchi was going to bunt. The whole infield was moving. A swing right there would have totally crossed them up and probably resulted in a RBI single.

As I posted earlier, Iguchi is one our best hitters. Ozzie is a fool for taking the bat out of Tadahito's hands.

Which matchup do you prefer:

a) Iguchi vs. Dingman
b) AJ vs. Walker

I would select 'a.' Ozzie chose 'b.' We lose.

MERPER
09-26-2005, 09:16 PM
It's only a half game... Unless TB sweeps we are going to NEED 1 win in CLE.... Let's accept that... I am more worried about just making playoffs which WILL happen... and why does nobody have confidence in us winning AT LEAST 1 in CLE.. They haven't swept us this year!!!!

CYGarland20
09-26-2005, 09:16 PM
3-0 Ny :angry:6-0 now. Oh well, we need to take 2 outta the next 3.

Lip Man 1
09-26-2005, 09:16 PM
Blueprint:

The Sox happened to pick a year where potentially three or four other teams could win 95-98 games. It happens.

Lip

kitekrazy
09-26-2005, 09:17 PM
They have to face an 18 game loser tomorrow... make it 19.

It's those type of guys that scare me when they pitch against the Sox.

dpbyron
09-26-2005, 09:17 PM
SEE 6-0 Yankee$ :angry: :angry:

Why can't we get 6 runs without two-outs in the inning?

Brian26
09-26-2005, 09:18 PM
This was a winnable game. Period. Barring a melt down by Cleveland it is now going to come down to that final series. It is not over yet.



Cleveland's going to lose two straight to the D-Rays, and the Sox will win the next three from the Tigers. We'll clinch this before Cleveland...and then we'll just have fun this weekend with the Jndians, play loose, and sweep their asses for the hell of it.

:bandance:

billyvsox
09-26-2005, 09:18 PM
What the Effff is Ozzie thinking.

No way you let AJ bat in the 8th when they bring in a lefty specialist. The no-brainer is to let Ozuna hit or squeeze. What a JOKE. Every tema in the league would pinch hit a righty in that spot..except us.

Next, Everett has to sit, if the players think they are all getting a free ride into the playoffs, they lose their edge (already lost?). Failing to bench Carl means anyone can slump and will still play - and the player know it.

Finally, the next breaking ball Brandon Inge hits hard will be the FIRST time he has ever done it. Yet, Jon throws 2 fastballs down over the plate and he hits 2 homers. NO, I am not trying to be a manager, but if I know these facts how come our staff dosen't?

Loyalty has gone way to far!!! No way AJ is pissed if we win. No way Crazy Carl becomes a cancer if we win, etc..etc...etc. It really seems that Oz is willing to stand up to these guys even though he talks about it all the time.

Jjav829
09-26-2005, 09:18 PM
A.J. is NOT a #3 hitter!!!:angry:

Correct. We don't have a #3 hitter. None of these guys should be hitting 3rd in any lineup. A.J. is a good #7 hitter. As a #3 hitter, he's a good #7 hitter. Dye is a 5 or 6. Rowand is a #6 or lower. We just don't have anyone who should hit 3rd. I know it sounds absurd, and people can laugh all they want, but Joe Crede should bat 3rd for the time being. He's just as good an option as anyone else.

ShoelessJoeS
09-26-2005, 09:19 PM
Cleveland's going to lose two straight to the D-Rays, and the Sox will win the next three from the Tigers. We'll clinch this before Cleveland...and then we'll just have fun this weekend with the Jndians, play loose, and sweep their asses for the hell of it.

:bandance:
I just had the most wonderful dream....

CYGarland20
09-26-2005, 09:19 PM
Why can't we get 6 runs without two-outs in the inning? Because our offense is not that good

Frankfan4life
09-26-2005, 09:19 PM
Ouch! This one smarts! A very winnable game gone down the tubes again. This team just sucks the life right out of you. I have no clue what they're going to do tomorrow. NOT A CLUE!!!!

TommyJohn
09-26-2005, 09:20 PM
Cleveland's going to lose two straight to the D-Rays, and the Sox will win the next three from the Tigers. We'll clinch this before Cleveland...and then we'll just have fun this weekend with the Jndians, play loose, and sweep their asses for the hell of it.

:bandance:

I'll have some of what you ate tonight.:redneck

ShoelessJoeS
09-26-2005, 09:20 PM
Correct. We don't have a #3 hitter. None of these guys should be hitting 3rd in any lineup. A.J. is a good #7 hitter. As a #3 hitter, he's a good #7 hitter. Dye is a 5 or 6. Rowand is a #6 or lower. We just don't have anyone who should hit 3rd. I know it sounds absurd, and people can laugh all they want, but Joe Crede should bat 3rd for the time being. He's just as good an option as anyone else.
Not a bad idea at all, especially for as hot as he's been lately.

nordhagen
09-26-2005, 09:21 PM
This is pennant race baseball, folks. Hey the pit-in-the-stomach feelings after yesterday's high is all part of it. And did we expect to win our last 10 - something this team hasn't done since 1976????

We bounced back from the tough loss last Monday against Cleveland and the tough loss Thursday to the Twinkies. Plus we were 12-3 coming in against the Tigers so the law of averages figures to catch up a bit - just as it finally did yesterday for the Indians.

Now is the time of year for a very short memory. And now we continue to see what they're made of.

CYGarland20
09-26-2005, 09:21 PM
Correct. We don't have a #3 hitter. None of these guys should be hitting 3rd in any lineup. A.J. is a good #7 hitter. As a #3 hitter, he's a good #7 hitter. Dye is a 5 or 6. Rowand is a #6 or lower. We just don't have anyone who should hit 3rd. I know it sounds absurd, and people can laugh all they want, but Joe Crede should bat 3rd for the time being. He's just as good an option as anyone else.I'd leave Joe at the bottom of the lineup. If anything he should hit 7th right now, behind Everett. This is the lineup Ozzie should go w/, but won't.........Pods, Iguchi, Rowand, PK, Dye, Everett/Gload, Crede, AJ, Uribe.......

itsnotrequired
09-26-2005, 09:22 PM
Correct. We don't have a #3 hitter. None of these guys should be hitting 3rd in any lineup. A.J. is a good #7 hitter. As a #3 hitter, he's a good #7 hitter. Dye is a 5 or 6. Rowand is a #6 or lower. We just don't have anyone who should hit 3rd. I know it sounds absurd, and people can laugh all they want, but Joe Crede should bat 3rd for the time being. He's just as good an option as anyone else.

Maybe Ozzie can hand in a lineup card with a 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10 batter.:tongue:

Cellview22
09-26-2005, 09:22 PM
Correct. We don't have a #3 hitter. None of these guys should be hitting 3rd in any lineup. A.J. is a good #7 hitter. As a #3 hitter, he's a good #7 hitter. Dye is a 5 or 6. Rowand is a #6 or lower. We just don't have anyone who should hit 3rd. I know it sounds absurd, and people can laugh all they want, but Joe Crede should bat 3rd for the time being. He's just as good an option as anyone else.

I was thinking about this during the game. If I was Ozzie, I would put him in the #3 spot for now. He would be just as good as anyone else at that spot. I would actually keep Crede at the #3 from here on out, including the playoffs.

whtsxfn
09-26-2005, 09:22 PM
Well, what are you gonna do, we have known all along that the White Sox are a frustrating offence to watch, and its the same... It just hurts when you lose like this.

TheOldRoman
09-26-2005, 09:22 PM
We always hear about how Ozzie does things the other manager doesn't expect. Well, he's been following the book way too freakin' much lately. The Tigers knew Iguchi was going to bunt. The whole infield was moving. A swing right there would have totally crossed them up and probably resulted in a RBI single.

As I posted earlier, Iguchi is one our best hitters. Ozzie is a fool for taking the bat out of Tadahito's hands.

Which matchup do you prefer:

a) Iguchi vs. Dingman
b) AJ vs. Walker

I would select 'a.' Ozzie chose 'b.' We lose.
Haha, keep it up. Your first post was pretty bad, and this one is also bad. You better get all this crap out of your system now, because according to PHG, when the Sox clinch the division later this week - YOU GONE!
The smart move is to put 2 runners in scoring position with 1 out. There is no excuse for AJ not being able to put a ball into play. He should have gotten it done, it is not Ozzie's fault. Tadahito is a good hitter, but he hasn't been great lately. We arent talking about Vlad Guerrero or David Ortiz. Iguchi is hitting around about .280, so he had about a 28% chance of getting a hit there, anyway. It wasnt a sure thing. AJ should have been able to get the sac fly.

JUribe1989
09-26-2005, 09:22 PM
Cleveland's going to lose two straight to the D-Rays, and the Sox will win the next three from the Tigers. We'll clinch this before Cleveland...and then we'll just have fun this weekend with the Jndians, play loose, and sweep their asses for the hell of it.

:bandance:

This is the post of the week. Way to look on the bright side. We also have to put it in perspective. It's just baseball. Our lives could be a hell of a lot worse if we don't make the playoffs. Well, at least mine could.

kittle42
09-26-2005, 09:26 PM
Blueprint (plus one more homer) of the problems Thursday against Minnesota. Poor execution - ths usual not scoring with RISP crap (Sox are last in the league there, anyway).

Blah. Better freakin' win tomorrow. Fung is winning and winning is fung, fools!
And whoever said in this thread earlier (I ain't gonna go hunting for it) "They look like they don't care and just want the Cleveland series to decide it" is a ****ing idiot.

kitekrazy
09-26-2005, 09:27 PM
This just in: SMALL BALL SUCKS!

Rowand has never been a good bunter.

What is so hard about bunting anyway other than being able to do it has no value on the free agent market?

Tragg
09-26-2005, 09:27 PM
It wasnt a sure thing. AJ should have been able to get the sac fly.

And therein is a problem: AJ is a terrible offensive player, and even worse, he bats 3rd for this team. Bunting Iguchi to get to AJ is dubious at best.
The long term problem is that I see no evidence to suggest that Ozzie sees a thing wrong with a team full of "swing at every pitch" type of player.

MarkZ35
09-26-2005, 09:27 PM
Hopefully the Orioles can come back and beat the yankees somehow ... it would make tonights loss a little easier to swallow.

Taliesinrk
09-26-2005, 09:28 PM
We always hear about how Ozzie does things the other manager doesn't expect. Well, he's been following the book way too freakin' much lately. The Tigers knew Iguchi was going to bunt. The whole infield was moving. A swing right there would have totally crossed them up and probably resulted in a RBI single.

As I posted earlier, Iguchi is one our best hitters. Ozzie is a fool for taking the bat out of Tadahito's hands.

Which matchup do you prefer:

a) Iguchi vs. Dingman
b) AJ vs. Walker

I would select 'a.' Ozzie chose 'b.' We lose.

Which matchup do you prefer:

a) Iguchi vs. Dingman w/ runners on 1st and 2nd and 0 out
b) AJ vs. Walker w/ runners on 2nd and 3rd and 1 out???

Just playing devil's advocate....

SABRSox
09-26-2005, 09:29 PM
I talked about the 3 hole in the gamethread. AJ is brutal there, and Ozzie can't keep running him out there. Soon we're gonna have pitchers throwing around Konerko if somebody can't step up and perform there.

The problem is that Frank was the only guy on the roster capable of handling the spot. Konerko is a 4 hitter. Dye is probably no better than a 5, but more suited for 6. I'd put Crede at 7 and AJ at 8, or switch them up. The only guy halfway capable right now is Rowand, but he's struck out something like 115 times this season, which leads the team. However, I'd take my chances with him. When he does get the ball into play, he's got a BA/BIP of .328. Not bad.

Banix12
09-26-2005, 09:30 PM
Correct. We don't have a #3 hitter. None of these guys should be hitting 3rd in any lineup. A.J. is a good #7 hitter. As a #3 hitter, he's a good #7 hitter. Dye is a 5 or 6. Rowand is a #6 or lower. We just don't have anyone who should hit 3rd. I know it sounds absurd, and people can laugh all they want, but Joe Crede should bat 3rd for the time being. He's just as good an option as anyone else.

I don't think it's a dumb idea, he's been the hottest hitter on the team for over a week now.

Though of the lousy options you mentioned I take Rowand over Carl, AJ, or Dye in that role. Right now, bring on Crede.

New Career high in HR's for Crede this year, just to point out a bright spot tonight. And he did that all while hitting with a balky back most of this season and missing a couple weeks.

MarkZ35
09-26-2005, 09:31 PM
I would really like to see Rowand get a game or two in the #3 spot. Try Pods, gooch, row, Pk, A.j. Dye, crede, rook (anderson or borch), uribe

Cellview22
09-26-2005, 09:32 PM
After the game, I switched it over to ESPN News for the Yankees score, and unfortunately had to catch Linda Cohn's demeaning "Goodbye Chicago" as the highlights were shown. The way she said "Goodbye Chicago" with pleasure in her voice made me feel extra sick.. :angry:

SABRSox
09-26-2005, 09:33 PM
And therein is a problem: AJ is a terrible offensive player, and even worse, he bats 3rd for this team. Bunting Iguchi to get to AJ is dubious at best.

I absolutely agree. Ozzie should have had Iguchi trying to poke that ball into right (and there are few in the game that do it better than he does) rather than sacrificing to get to AJ. AJ just doesn't make enough contact to guarantee a fly ball in that situation. Even Rowand in that spot executing a suicide squeeze would have changed the outcome of the game.

whtsxfn
09-26-2005, 09:34 PM
This is a horrible loss, even though they have a great chance.. do you ever think, "What if the loss 7 in a row?"

Banix12
09-26-2005, 09:34 PM
I just about guarantee that the Blue Jays will at least split the four game series with the Red Sox. Yankees and Orioles, I think the Yanks sweep that one but I don't see the Red Sox owning the Blue Jays, even at home.

Tragg
09-26-2005, 09:35 PM
To me, however, the reality is that we don't have enough good offensive players. As yall pointed out, we have no 3 hitter.

The talent is in the pitching and, therefore, pitching must win this thing.
Cliff has pitched great all year, as has Garland, but, we can't have them giving up tying/winning runs. It may be unfair to put that much pressure on the pitchers, but, this is one of those times when we have to be unfair.

JB98
09-26-2005, 09:35 PM
Haha, keep it up. Your first post was pretty bad, and this one is also bad. You better get all this crap out of your system now, because according to PHG, when the Sox clinch the division later this week - YOU GONE!
The smart move is to put 2 runners in scoring position with 1 out. There is no excuse for AJ not being able to put a ball into play. He should have gotten it done, it is not Ozzie's fault. Tadahito is a good hitter, but he hasn't been great lately. We arent talking about Vlad Guerrero or David Ortiz. Iguchi is hitting around about .280, so he had about a 28% chance of getting a hit there, anyway. It wasnt a sure thing. AJ should have been able to get the sac fly.

I totally disagree. Walker is very tough on lefties. It's not a favorable matchup for the Sox. I'd rather take three shots to drive the run in than give away an out. In addition, that bunt opened a base and gave the Tigers the option of walking Konerko. In effect, the decision to bunt took the bat out of the hands of BOTH Iguchi and Konerko. Trammell got the matchups he wanted in that inning, and he won.

And I'll let the WSI administrators do the administrating.

Taliesinrk
09-26-2005, 09:36 PM
I just about guarantee that the Blue Jays will at least split the four game series with the Red Sox. Yankees and Orioles, I think the Yanks sweep that one but I don't see the Red Sox owning the Blue Jays, even at home.

An upside tonight is that the Red Sox game got rained out. It's a hell of a lot easier to win back to back games two nights in a row then it is to sweep a double header.. But it's playoff baseball.. I just don't know..

itsnotrequired
09-26-2005, 09:36 PM
After the game, I switched it over to ESPN News for the Yankees score, and unfortunately had to catch Linda Cohn's demeaning "Goodbye Chicago" as the highlights were shown. The way she said "Goodbye Chicago" with pleasure in her voice made me feel extra sick.. :angry:

I want the Sox to win soooo bad in part just because of this. The way the national media treats this team is a disgrace. Here's to a White Sox WS ring and the start of a dynasty!:gulp:

As you can see, optimism is overflowing at Camp Itsnotrequired.:D:

Lip Man 1
09-26-2005, 09:40 PM
Don't worry about what the media is saying...if you must worry, worry about how the Sox will do in these final days. They need wins in Detroit. Period. ANYTHING to take off as much pressure as possible in that final series.

Lip

SABRSox
09-26-2005, 09:40 PM
Correct. We don't have a #3 hitter. None of these guys should be hitting 3rd in any lineup. A.J. is a good #7 hitter. As a #3 hitter, he's a good #7 hitter. Dye is a 5 or 6. Rowand is a #6 or lower. We just don't have anyone who should hit 3rd. I know it sounds absurd, and people can laugh all they want, but Joe Crede should bat 3rd for the time being. He's just as good an option as anyone else.

I was going to disagree with you, but at this point of the season, I'm going with the hot hand, and that's Crede, who is 9 for 22 in his last 6 games with a .409/.409/.955 line with 4 HR, 4 R, and 7 RBI.

nordhagen
09-26-2005, 09:40 PM
Because our offense is not that good

Exactly - they have Jeter, A-Rod, Matsui, etc... We've got a lineup the equivalent of the 1988 Dodgers

kitekrazy
09-26-2005, 09:41 PM
we lost the first game against Minnesota in pretty similar fashion. We came back to win the next 3 against them. No reason why we can't do the same thing to Detroit.

But the last series the Sox played in K.C. brings out that dark cloud thinking.
I just never know what team is going to show up.

JB98
09-26-2005, 09:42 PM
Which matchup do you prefer:

a) Iguchi vs. Dingman w/ runners on 1st and 2nd and 0 out
b) AJ vs. Walker w/ runners on 2nd and 3rd and 1 out???

Just playing devil's advocate....

"A"

I want to take three shots to drive the run in with Iguchi, AJ and PK. The risk is that somebody will GIDP. It's a risk I'm willing to take.

I just have a different philosophy of offense than Guillen and some here. I like to hit-and-run in bunt situations, or just straight steal. I don't like the bunt at all, unless I have someone like Podsednik at the plate.

Iguchi and Konerko are two of our best hitters. They had the bat taken out of their hands with the game on the line. That doesn't make me happy.

Taliesinrk
09-26-2005, 09:42 PM
Exactly - they have Jeter, A-Rod, Matsui, etc... We've got a lineup the equivalent of the 1988 Dodgers

Kirk Gibson???

billyvsox
09-26-2005, 09:42 PM
Anyone what to bet CY "Robertson" shuts us down tommorrow. Don't be suprised if we go to the ninth tied 1-1.

With a lefty pitching here is my line-up for tommorrow.

1) Pods lf
2) Ozuna dh
3) Iguchi 2b
4) Paulie 1b
5) Dye rf
6) Crede 3b
7) AJ c
8) Rowand cf
9) Uribe ss

whitesoxfan
09-26-2005, 09:43 PM
But the last series the Sox played in K.C. brings out that dark cloud thinking.
I just never know what team is going to show up.

when we were in KC, we weren't getting good starting pitching. We've been getting good starting pitching for the last few starts now and I don't see why our starters can't continue to have success against the Tigers.

SABRSox
09-26-2005, 09:47 PM
Kirk Gibson???

We've got a Kirk Gibson:

:hurt

"Put me on the playoff roster..."

SouthSide_HitMen
09-26-2005, 09:47 PM
*****

Carl led off the seventh inning by.....getting on base.
Carl led off the ninth inning by....getting on base.

Yeah, this loss is Carl's fault.

Find yourselves another scapegoat.

Carl is slumping but Ozzie really has no other options. He likes his lefties batting 3rd and 6th to breakup the right handed heavy lineup. We really have no other power to put in the 3 hole. It is not like Rowand or AJ is hitting lights out. Iguchi could hit third I guess but then who bats second. You can't move Crede up to #3. There is nobody on the bench that is three hole material (and no Anderson who had his one great game and went 2 for 24 any other time Ozzie put him in nor Borchard are the answer).

Carl has 23 HRs and 83 RBIs which is good for third on the team. We are going to need Carl to break out of it anyway if we want to go far in the playoffs so the best way to handle it is let him get his at bats and hope he breaks out of it.

TheOldRoman
09-26-2005, 09:47 PM
This game really pisses me off because of the way things went down.
Garland didnt have his good stuff today. He was able to strand a lot of runners, but he made two horrible pitches to a horrible player. It is almost inexcuseable to give up 1 homer to a garbage player like Inge in a game like this. Two homers is completely inexcusable. Garland deserves a loss for that.
The Sox should have pounded this pitcher today. They got the hits, but crapped their pants with runners on. We should have gotten at least 6 runs off this pitcher today. This was a horrible game all around. Hitters, Garland, and Politte all screwed up.
What this game did is put that fly ball back into Grady Sizemore's glove. It took away all the momentum that Cleveland lost with their epic failure yesterday. Lets hope it doesn't revive them. It doesn't really matter, the Sox are winning the division anyway, but I would have MUCH rather wrapped it up thursday (Cleveland will lose at least 1 to TB). I am taking the LSATs on Saturday morning, and I would much rather celebrate a division title at 3pm thursday than 9pm Friday. Oh well. This game didn't change anything.

Brewski
09-26-2005, 09:48 PM
There were too many of us posting yesterday as if 3 or 4 wins at Detroit was a given. The Sox may have been thinking the same way. Everything for the rest of the year is not guaranteed and no one should think that it is. This is getting to be joyless. Still up 2 in the loss column. Relax, it's only a game that other people are playing.

mccoydp
09-26-2005, 09:50 PM
Why the hell is Everett still in the lineup? I'd be willing to try ANYONE over him at this point. Gload, Anderson, Willie Harris!!!!!

:timo:

"How 'bout me?"

Taliesinrk
09-26-2005, 09:50 PM
We've got a Kirk Gibson:

:hurt

"Put me on the playoff roster..."


What i was getting at.... minus the 60-day DL...

pczarapa
09-26-2005, 09:52 PM
I honestly think the Indians have gotten themselves into a position where the pressure is all on them. Now that the media considers the Sox a farce, everyone looks to the Indians to win out the rest of the season. Let's hope that 9th inning loss to the Royals hurt them in the confidence area and TB enjoys the role of spoiler.

boiler up
09-26-2005, 09:53 PM
was talking to bobby jenks and hermy right when the homer was hit

you can see us on sprots center i'm sure, front row

kitekrazy
09-26-2005, 09:55 PM
The Sox may have been thinking the same way. Everything for the rest of the year is not guaranteed and no one should think that it is. This is getting to be joyless. Still up 2 in the loss column. Relax, it's only a game that other people are playing.

I doubt the Sox players are thinking at all. It appears they aren't thinking of baseball stratedgy. 2 up when they had the opportunity for 3. It's getting late to have opportunites squandered.

Relax? That's OK for a casual fan.

billyvsox
09-26-2005, 09:56 PM
THE OLD ROMAN

I agree...this is equivalent to putting the ball back in Sizemore's glove. The one day we had left to gain the half game in loss column and we drop it back to 2.
I guarantee the Tribe was watching on the tube and probably laughing all the way at our imeptitude to score runs.

This will get them fired up for game 1 vs Tampa. Had we won, they would have been feeling the pressure.

RallyBowl
09-26-2005, 09:56 PM
Cleveland's going to lose two straight to the D-Rays, and the Sox will win the next three from the Tigers. We'll clinch this before Cleveland...and then we'll just have fun this weekend with the Jndians, play loose, and sweep their asses for the hell of it.

:bandance:



ME LIKEY.

I'm not so sure why it's hard to comprehend the fact that WE'RE IN. Wow. So few sane people around these parts sometimes. The hand- wringers are going to look mighty foolish in a week when we win our first playoff game. It's going to be especially sweet when we knock the toons out of the post season, like the calm and wise (this time!) Brian has pointed out. Ass whippens for the kitties the next 3 days. It's gonna be sweet!

SouthSide_HitMen
09-26-2005, 09:59 PM
Everett has to sit, if the players think they are all getting a free ride into the playoffs, they lose their edge (already lost?). Failing to bench Carl means anyone can slump and will still play - and the player know it....
Loyalty has gone way to far!!! No way AJ is pissed if we win. No way Crazy Carl becomes a cancer if we win, etc..etc...etc. It really seems that Oz is willing to stand up to these guys even though he talks about it all the time.

You mean like El Duque NOT getting benched in September. Give me a break. I agree with the criticism of bunting Iguchi and of batting AJ against Walker. Who is qualified to bat 3rd on this team not already playing. Anderson is 0 for 12 since his one good game in Seattle and 2 for 24 with 0 extra base hits outside of his Felix Hernandez gem. Borchard? Timo? Willie?

We need Everett to break out of his slump for the playoffs and the only way he can do that is to have him play.

oeo
09-26-2005, 09:59 PM
Maybe these guys feed off of pressure...after a nice series against the Twins, some of the pressure I'm sure was lifted. Now the pressure is back on again...we'll see what they do. My money is on a great finish, they're not going to let us down.

RallyBowl
09-26-2005, 10:00 PM
I doubt the Sox players are thinking at all. It appears they aren't thinking of baseball stratedgy. 2 up when they had the opportunity for 3. It's getting late to have opportunites squandered.

Relax? That's OK for a casual fan.

So if you're relaxed you must be a casual fan? :kukoo:

JB98
09-26-2005, 10:03 PM
I doubt the Sox players are thinking at all. It appears they aren't thinking of baseball stratedgy. 2 up when they had the opportunity for 3. It's getting late to have opportunites squandered.

Relax? That's OK for a casual fan.

We're still in solid position. I still think we'll clinch Friday. Some posters were hoping to clinch before Cleveland. I think those folks are reaching for the antacid now because tonight's loss makes that possibility unlikely.

The frustrating part is we've had four losses in the last two weeks that should have been wins. The Hermanson game in KC, the first game with the Tribe, the first game with Minnesota and tonight. The Sox are going to win the division, but they are making it much tougher than it needs to be. The race should be over now.

TheOldRoman
09-26-2005, 10:06 PM
The Sox are going to win the division, but they are making it much tougher than it needs to be. The race should be over now.
On this, we agree.:cool:

kitekrazy
09-26-2005, 10:19 PM
I honestly think the Indians have gotten themselves into a position where the pressure is all on them. Now that the media considers the Sox a farce, everyone looks to the Indians to win out the rest of the season. Let's hope that 9th inning loss to the Royals hurt them in the confidence area and TB enjoys the role of spoiler.

So I guess if the 9th inning loss to the Royals puts them in tail spin, shouldn't the 3 in a row win against the Twins spark the Sox to sweep a down and out Detroit team.

The Sox sure put a lot of pressure on the Indians tonight. They gained ground and they didn't even play.

VivaOzzie
09-26-2005, 10:23 PM
Just got back from Comerica...thouroughly depressed and angry. IngeX2??? Granderson??

Leaving guys at 2nd and 3rd with 1 out KILLED me. Almost as bad as Rowand's bunt pop-out. Come on guys.

kitekrazy
09-26-2005, 10:25 PM
So if you're relaxed you must be a casual fan? :kukoo:

Yep, or you buy into that wussy psychology stuff. The quote came from a Brewers fans. :kukoo:

Viva Medias B's
09-26-2005, 10:36 PM
More bad news: BBTN is coming up on ESPN2.

Banix12
09-26-2005, 10:47 PM
More bad news: BBTN is coming up on ESPN2.

Why on earth would you torture yourself by watching that stuff.

Viva Medias B's
09-26-2005, 10:48 PM
Why on earth would you torture yourself by watching that stuff.

Don't worry, I'm not.

CHISOXFAN13
09-26-2005, 10:57 PM
SEE 6-0 Yankee$ :angry: :angry:

Why can't we get 6 runs without two-outs in the inning?

Two days ago, the Sox scored six runs without recording an out.

Amazing how quickly people forget things around here.

Fuller_Schettman
09-26-2005, 10:59 PM
I couldn't even get through page 1 of this stinkin' thread.

All I can say is I hope PHG is making his list and checking it twice, because at some point this week all of the dark clouds will be BLOWN away! And we will actually be able to enjoy the playoffs without the constant pissing and moaning.

In the meantime, somebody PLEASE pass me the ****ing Midol!!!

TaylorStSox
09-26-2005, 11:00 PM
You guys live your life to blame individual players. Yet, Rowand gets a free pass. Why? He's been among our worst offensive performers all year. I'm convinced that the Rowand lovers are the same guys that tried to run Frank out of town.

This loss sucks, but we're in good shape.

kitekrazy
09-26-2005, 11:03 PM
Two days ago, the Sox scored six runs without recording an out.

Amazing how quickly people forget things around here.

Tell that to the Sox. I think they forget as well. Detroit actually made it easy for them.

Hendu
09-26-2005, 11:09 PM
Wow, they're really trying to get in the hard way.

kitekrazy
09-26-2005, 11:09 PM
I couldn't even get through page 1 of this stinkin' thread.

All I can say is I hope PHG is making his list and checking it twice, because at some point this week all of the dark clouds will be BLOWN away! And we will actually be able to enjoy the playoffs without the constant pissing and moaning.


Don't be so sure. What if the Sox go 0-3 in the playoffs because of missed opportunities like runners on 2nd,3rd, 1 out?

I sure WSI is not the only place that has frustrated fans.

longshot7
09-26-2005, 11:17 PM
I couldn't even get through page 1 of this stinkin' thread.

All I can say is I hope PHG is making his list and checking it twice, because at some point this week all of the dark clouds will be BLOWN away! And we will actually be able to enjoy the playoffs without the constant pissing and moaning.

In the meantime, somebody PLEASE pass me the ****ing Midol!!!

Great, now people can't complain when they lose. What are we, Cub fans?

ndu3t4
09-26-2005, 11:27 PM
I was in the clouds yesterday after attending the game but I just had a bad feeling about tonite's game today. I would have been really nice to have a three game lead going into these next three but I still think that may happen because TB isn't going to get swept by the tribe. I'd like to get the WC clinched before the indian series but if the sox take two I think they'll be okay.


Also, I think that's the 500th time that Ozzie has put the hit and run on and a guy has hit the ball up the middle taking the fielder right to the bag.

jehosaphat
09-26-2005, 11:30 PM
Great, now people can't complain when they lose. What are we, Cub fans?

This was a bad loss, there is no way around it. Yes, if Cleveland loses 3 in a row and we win 3 in a row it won't matter at all. But, the fact is we pissed away a golden opportunity. That game was ours to win. A 3 game lead with 6 to go would have been sweet.

kitekrazy
09-26-2005, 11:34 PM
This was a bad loss, there is no way around it. Yes, if Cleveland loses 3 in a row and we win 3 in a row it won't matter at all. But, the fact is we pissed away a golden opportunity. That game was ours to win. A 3 game lead with 6 to go would have been sweet.

I guess the Sox want to get it down to under 2 so they can play better.

Jjav829
09-27-2005, 12:18 AM
Great, now people can't complain when they lose. What are we, Cub fans?

Apparently. So pass the beer! Woo! Go Sox! We're the greatest team ever and if we don't win it all this year, who cares because next year is our year anyways. Woo!

It seems like there is a clear lack of understanding of the middle ground by some people around here. Not that this is any different from most issues, but this one seems to stand out more.

There are some people who are just convinced that everything is going to go wrong no matter what the Sox are doing. The Sox could win 30 games in a row and these people would still think that the Sox are falling apart. Then you have those who are convinced that the Sox are the best team there is despite what current bad indications there are. The Sox could lose 30 in a row and these people would still think the Sox are right where they need to be and playing well enough to go all the way. Then you have a whole bunch in the middle ground. These are the people who are hopeful and optimistic that the Sox will win the World Series, but at the same time understand that the Sox are a 26 - 27 club since August 1st and have played very poorly in that span, looking nothing like a championship team.

I guess this shouldn't surprise me. This place has been like this for a while. Defend a player a few times and suddenly you're a "FO" that player. Rip a guy a few times and you're a hater. Criticize the team for playing awful baseball and you're a "dark cloud." It goes on and on. I don't know why it is so hard to understand that not everything is black and white, but often times these things are in the grey area.

skobabe8
09-27-2005, 12:43 AM
Carl shouldn't even dress tomorrow. He is pathetic out there. Gload, Gload, Gload, Gload, Gload. How many times can we say it???

Hopefully Guillen and Pudge will both miss tomorrow seeing as they left the game with injuries.

Where Is Ross??

FarWestChicago
09-27-2005, 01:01 AM
There are some people who are just convinced that everything is going to go wrong no matter what the Sox are doing. The Sox could win 30 games in a row and these people would still think that the Sox are falling apart. Then you have those who are convinced that the Sox are the best team there is despite what current bad indications there are. The Sox could lose 30 in a row and these people would still think the Sox are right where they need to be and playing well enough to go all the way.OK, I can name several people in the first group. Can you name one in the second? :?:

Dan H
09-27-2005, 04:05 AM
This was a bad loss, there is no way around it. Yes, if Cleveland loses 3 in a row and we win 3 in a row it won't matter at all. But, the fact is we pissed away a golden opportunity. That game was ours to win. A 3 game lead with 6 to go would have been sweet.

I agree completely. This offense needs to get moving. I thought with the 8-1 win on Saturday, it might have turned a corner. But it is right back to not driving in runs and getting six or seven hits a game. All the other contenders are hitting. Isn't it time the Sox start? Hopefully Cleveland turns human and loses at least one to Tampa Bay. Everybody is right about AJ. He doesn't belong in the third spot. Trouble is with the exception of Crede and Konerko, no one is hitting.

Mohoney
09-27-2005, 04:54 AM
Maybe I'm nuts, but it really seems to me that when we're facing a good righty pitcher (like Millwood or Westbrook, just to set the example) we have a good approach at the plate, taking outside pitches the other way, shortening the swing with 2 strikes, etc.

When we face a mediocre righty, we try to absolutely tee off on him and swing for the fences (Elarton and Jason Johnson) even though that is NOT our game.

When we face a good lefty with a devastating out pitch, we look REALLY lost (Santana and Zito come to mind), so in those games I just hope that we foul off enough good pitches and turn the lineup over enough so that we see the opposing bullpen at least once and the opposing starter doesn't go 9 innings. If our starter can go toe to toe with theirs, at least we can get a shot at winning the game against somebody else.

Sometimes it just seems that we try and get greedy instead of just sticking to the fundamentals that got us 94 wins. We look like we play down to the level of our competition because guys are trying to break out of slumps.

When the playoffs start, I'm not really scared of facing Bartolo Colon, Mike Mussina, Curt Schilling, or Matt Clement in a Game 1, because I think we will have the good approach going, and with the way Jose Contreras is pitching, I'll take my chances against ANYBODY and let the chips fall where they may.

The Game 1 starters that I would worry about are Randy Johnson (that track record can't be denied) and Barry Zito (he owns us).

RowanDye
09-27-2005, 05:47 AM
The Game 1 starters that I would worry about are Randy Johnson (that track record can't be denied) and Barry Zito (he owns us).

.. I don't think we have to worry about Barry Zito or anyone else from Oakland in the playoffs. I think that out of the playoff contenders the Angels' pitching was probably the most consistent against us. I think we can beat any of their guys; but I feel more confident against the top three of Cleveland, Boston, and NY.

Mohoney
09-27-2005, 06:00 AM
.. I don't think we have to worry about Barry Zito or anyone else from Oakland in the playoffs. I think that out of the playoff contenders the Angels' pitching was probably the most consistent against us. I think we can beat any of their guys; but I feel more confident against the top three of Cleveland, Boston, and NY.

I really hope that the Angels can win tomorrow and OFFICIALLY put the dagger in Oakland's heart, but part of me is peeved at the fact that the Angels can be the FIRST AL team to punch their ticket to the dance with only 91 wins.

Paulwny
09-27-2005, 11:10 AM
This just in: SMALL BALL SUCKS!

Rowand has never been a good bunter. He failed in both the seventh and ninth innings. This should come as no surprise. I know he can't bunt. You know he can't bunt. Why doesn't Ozzie know that?

During the post game show , Melton mentioned that he was surprized that Rowand was given a bunt sign since he not very good at bunting. Later it was mentioned that Rowand told a reporter that he wasn't given the bunt sign, but decided to try it on his own.
I'm not defending Ozzie, but why doesn't Rowand know that he's a terrible bunter.

DenverSock
09-27-2005, 11:20 AM
Garland could've been worse, AJ and JD were brutal. I would have Rowand as 3.

The title says it all.

1917
09-27-2005, 11:26 AM
AJ should not have batted against Walker...he can't hit Lefties....Ozuna or Anderson should have pinch hit for him

DaleJRFan
09-27-2005, 11:48 AM
I know it sounds absurd, and people can laugh all they want, but Joe Crede should bat 3rd for the time being. He's just as good an option as anyone else.

It's not absurd or crazy talk. Crede is swinging a hot stick right now. He's the best contact hitter in the lineup at the present time. Give ol' Joe a shot at #3 and see what happens. It can't get any worse.

JB98
09-27-2005, 12:03 PM
During the post game show , Melton mentioned that he was surprized that Rowand was given a bunt sign since he not very good at bunting. Later it was mentioned that Rowand told a reporter that he wasn't given the bunt sign, but decided to try it on his own.
I'm not defending Ozzie, but why doesn't Rowand know that he's a terrible bunter.

Which time did Rowand bunt on his own, the seventh or the ninth? In the seventh, he gave away two strikes and eventually GIDP. In the ninth, he gave away an out. Just brutal. And everyone on here blames Carl Everett, who took one for the team in both those innings and got on base.

In the ninth, Harris was pinch-running. There is no reason on this earth why Harris can't steal a bag on the combination of Rodney and Wilson. Just swipe second, and then we have three shots at driving in the winning run.

JB98
09-27-2005, 12:12 PM
Where Is Ross??

Parked on the bench where he belongs. I can't fathom why some posters think a guy who has had five hits at the big-league level this season is going to ride to our rescue.

I've ripped Ozzie enough in this thread. One thing I like about Guillen is that he is sticking with his starting nine. I've bitched and moaned about his getaway-day lineups all year. I'm pleased to see him go with the horses that got us here down the stretch. Timo, Willie and Gload have made themselves scarce lately. I'm not sure that Geoff Blum is still alive. Let's keep it that way.

I could see putting Widger in the lineup tonight. He has caught the outstanding starts McCarthy has had against Texas, Boston and Minnesota. They seem to work well together. And Robertson is pitching against us tonight. AJ can't hit lefties. Maybe tonight is an opportunity for Widger. Other than that, stick with everybody else.

Paulwny
09-27-2005, 01:12 PM
Which time did Rowand bunt on his own, the seventh or the ninth? In the seventh, he gave away two strikes and eventually GIDP. In the ninth, he gave away an out. Just brutal. And everyone on here blames Carl Everett, who took one for the team in both those innings and got on base.

In the ninth, Harris was pinch-running. There is no reason on this earth why Harris can't steal a bag on the combination of Rodney and Wilson. Just swipe second, and then we have three shots at driving in the winning run.

From the Southtowns
"On the first (one), I didn't get the bunt sign," Rowand said. "I was trying a drag bunt on my own. The second one I got the bunt sign, he threw an elevated fastball and I just couldn't get it done."

deck27
09-27-2005, 05:12 PM
Slow bats, long looping swings.

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Remind you of anyone, um, their hitting coach?

JB98
09-27-2005, 05:42 PM
From the Southtowns
"On the first (one), I didn't get the bunt sign," Rowand said. "I was trying a drag bunt on my own. The second one I got the bunt sign, he threw an elevated fastball and I just couldn't get it done."

OK. Thanks for the clarification.

I still don't like a bunt in either of those situations, but at least I know I can't blame Ozzie for both of them.