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Domeshot17
09-20-2005, 01:03 AM
Right now, especially in the Chat tonight, I felt like a kid who was picked last for dodgeball. I think I am one of few people ( Palehose13, few others I know) who arent on the edge yet. We still have the AL best record. We got 4 on Cleveland in the loss Column, if we take the next 2, and then take 5 out 7 from minnesota and detroit, cleveland has to win out to tie. If we sweep minny and detroit, and take 1 from cleveland, they have to win out. IF we sweep minny and detroit, and take these next 2, We can Start El Duque Bmac and Adkins against the indians and rest up as the AL Central Champs.

Basically, if we split with cleveland go 3-3 and take 4-7 from minny detroit, we clinch a tie from Cleveland, IF they win out.

Its all good people.

EDIT: Just saw this, our magic number is 11, Clevelands is 15. if we split with cleveland, there magic number is 9 with 7 games left.

Lip Man 1
09-20-2005, 01:07 AM
Dome:

I hope you are right. We'll know a lot more by Wednesday night.

Lip

Gavin
09-20-2005, 01:09 AM
If... if... if... :rolleyes:

CLR01
09-20-2005, 01:09 AM
I would not say that I am not on the edge, I just have not jumped yet and I won't until our elimination number is 0.

Milw
09-20-2005, 01:11 AM
I'm coming back and forth from the ledge. Right now I'm calm and relaxed ... our offense showed up today, and while we lost, the Indians looked far from invincible.

More importantly, I've stopped caring about winning the division. I want the division championship, yes, but the Wild Card is fine too. We go 7-6 and we win 97 games, which is more than we'll need for the WC.

Don't sweat. Just try to enjoy the excitement -- it's playoff baseball two weeks early!

gogosox35
09-20-2005, 01:13 AM
I'm not on the edge. I think we are ok barring the Indians take the next two and take down our "big three" with their 3, 4, and 5. We are still 4 games of the yankees if we need the wild card.

Mohoney
09-20-2005, 01:14 AM
If Mark gets it done tomorrow and gets the Magic # into single digits, all is well for me.

We had the rotation set up with Garcia, Buehrle, and Garland. That's all I can really ask for. I wanted a situation where one of those guys would dominate on paper, and the other two games would be coin-flips, and that's what I got.

Garland vs. Elarton on Wednesday is the game we MUST win, as we have the decided advantage in the pitching matchup. Garcia vs. Millwood and Buehrle vs. Westbrook were the two coin-flips, and we lost the Garcia vs. Millwood tilt.

We NEED Mark Buehrle to stop walking on eggshells out there and do what he does best. We need him to get his changeup working so he can work fast, change speeds, and work up and down, out and in, like Tom Glavine in his prime.

I honestly think that that's what we have in Mark Buehrle. Tom Glavine in his prime. Hopefully, he proves me right tomorrow.

LuvSox
09-20-2005, 01:20 AM
Something about this doesn't scare me. I'm not sure what it is, but I'm pretty calm. I'll be there Tuesday night screaming my lungs out. Let's get 'em Sox!!!!

Oh yeah, **** Cleveland.

RMSoxFan
09-20-2005, 01:21 AM
Tom Glavine in his prime? I like Buehrle, but he's just not at that level. Glavine has had 6 seasons with ERA under 3. Mark's best is 3.29 in his rookie season. He's pretty good, but Glavine has two CYs and a WS MVP.

I'm on the edge. This team has been losing a lot lately, the Tribe has been winning, and everybody assumes that of course we'll at least split. Yesterday a lot of people were saying that we would sweep. Well, the worst possible hasn't happened yet, but they're going to have to change something to prevent it.

sox7235
09-20-2005, 01:23 AM
I'm nowhere near the ledge either. Something about this game tonight, even though it was a loss, tells me everything will be fine. Beisdes it's tough for me to get down on a team that is 90-59 on Sept. 20th. The only reason there is panic is because of how hot Cleveland is. They are beateable though, as Mark and Jon will prove the next two nights.

TDog
09-20-2005, 01:28 AM
I'm not on the edge because I can't do anything about it. Today while the Sox were losing three time zones away, I was with a group of people rescuing someone from the side of a mountain in the pouring rain. I have a life exclusive of baseball that demands my attention.

I also don't see the Sox missing the playoffs. Even as a wild card, the Sox would have a chance to make up for everything. Say the Sox beat the Eastern juggernaut and the West's best bests the Tribe. The Sox would have a chance to tackle that left-coast problem they have and the whole pennant race would seem irrelevant.

If the Sox can't beat Minnesota and Detroit and fall short, it's not like they would go anywhere in the postseason anyway.

It wouldn't kill me. I have a life.

LuvSox
09-20-2005, 01:31 AM
I'm not on the edge because I can't do anything about it. Today while the Sox were losing three time zones away, I was with a group of people rescuing someone from the side of a mountain in the pouring rain.

Cool!

dannycater
09-20-2005, 01:32 AM
I'm not on the ledge, but the "if, if, if" gets real old....

I'm all for trying to stay positive, but this baseball team has flat out not been able to get it done lately...

I don't want to have to seach desperately for postive "if" scenarios to pump myself up....I would rather have the team perform well on the field and pump myself up that way....

I think the real "if" is, "if the Sox keep playing this way and giving games away, we aren't going to the playoffs".....the way Cleveland is playing, they have to take at least one game out of each of the Cleveland series and take both the Twins and Tigers series, to get to the playoffs...if they can't do that, they don't deserve to go to the playoffs...

Chips
09-20-2005, 01:34 AM
Right now, especially in the Chat tonight, I felt like a kid who was picked last for dodgeball. I think I am one of few people ( Palehose13, few others I know) who arent on the edge yet. We still have the AL best record. We got 4 on Cleveland in the loss Column, if we take the next 2, and then take 5 out 7 from minnesota and detroit, cleveland has to win out to tie. If we sweep minny and detroit, and take 1 from cleveland, they have to win out. IF we sweep minny and detroit, and take these next 2, We can Start El Duque Bmac and Adkins against the indians and rest up as the AL Central Champs.

Basically, if we split with cleveland go 3-3 and take 4-7 from minny detroit, we clinch a tie from Cleveland, IF they win out.

Its all good people.

EDIT: Just saw this, our magic number is 11, Clevelands is 15. if we split with cleveland, there magic number is 9 with 7 games left.

If my aunts had balls, she'd be my uncle.

One day on the edge, other days I fall off. This **** is driving me nuts.

Mohoney
09-20-2005, 01:34 AM
Tom Glavine in his prime? I like Buehrle, but he's just not at that level. Glavine has had 6 seasons with ERA under 3. Mark's best is 3.29 in his rookie season. He's pretty good, but Glavine has two CYs and a WS MVP.

I'm on the edge. This team has been losing a lot lately, the Tribe has been winning, and everybody assumes that of course we'll at least split. Yesterday a lot of people were saying that we would sweep. Well, the worst possible hasn't happened yet, but they're going to have to change something to prevent it.

Glavine's sub-3 ERAs were all in the NL, though. Glavine's #s are markedly better, but when I compare Buehrle to Glavine, I'm doing so from the standpoint that Glavine was, and Buehrle is now, the most dependable leftys in the game. They'll take the ball every 5th day, and decidedly more often than not, put their team in position to win a ballgame. They also have that pinpoint control for the most part.

I honestly see Buehrle emerging as the most dependable lefty of this period. I see Johan Santana becoming the most dominant lefty (a la Randy Johnson), and Buehrle becoming Mr. Reliable (a la Tom Glavine).

I could be very wrong on both counts, but given their bodies of work thus far in their careers, that's what I see happening. It's my prediction for these guys.

HotelWhiteSox
09-20-2005, 01:43 AM
The result should piss everyone off, but I am fine, taking a step back and looking at what went down, this is the best this team has played in a while, and there are no excuses about quality of opponent, no matter what records or standings say, Cleveland has been the best team in baseball for months, and we hung with them and had them. Also, you can't make a conclusion after 1 game out of 6. If the Yankees or Red Sox never lost to TB or the Astros never lost to the Pirates, then it'd be a different story, but if you've gone through a baseball season and know about the rollercoaster ride, you know not to base everything that will result from that one game or result. Bottom line, the pitching was a let down, the offense picked them up, and the pitching blew it again. Normally this would be a concern (and I guess the bullpen kind of is), but there are 4 other starters and all of them have the chance to be dominating.

In short, Go Sox! I'll be there tomorow!

GoGoSoxReborn
09-20-2005, 01:45 AM
I'm not on the edge... If the Sox lost this game 4-0 and Milwood went the distance, I'd be on the edge. The team still had fight in the, and even though they didn't get the job done, I think the pitching (what's been there the whole year) will return to its midseason form soon!

Let's remember that they are still chasing us!

SouthSide_HitMen
09-20-2005, 02:43 AM
I am not and haven't been since August - August 2004 that is.

I though tonight's game was our worst matchup and that we would take 2 of 3.

Unless we lose the lead, I am not worried.

IowaSox1971
09-20-2005, 03:14 AM
There is a lot of reason to be concerned. There is a term for "almost winning" and that term is called "losing." We lost this game to Cleveland. Just because you "play well" or give a good effort in a game does not mean anything. We gave a good effort a little more than a week a ago in a series opener against the Angels. But we lost. Then we lost the next two games and got swept in the series. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the same thing happened here.

It seems like, for the past two weeks, we try hard in one game and then we don't try very hard the next game. So, I wouldn't count on a great effort Wednesday, even with Buehrle on the mound. Buehrle pitched last Thursday afternoon when we were coming off a tough loss, and then he lost to Kansas City in a game where our effort and execuation were pathetic. So, I can't say I'm too optimistic about us bouncing back in this series.

chitownhawkfan
09-20-2005, 04:20 AM
If you seriously believe that we are going to win this division I think you need to lay off the ol optimism kool-aid. I might be a dark cloud but I dont understand how any Sox fan could not be on the ledge, me personally, I have already jumped.

white sox bill
09-20-2005, 07:12 AM
Maybe NOT on the ledge but inching closer every day...we are playing .500 ball and the team that is hunting us down could beat the All Star team. Unless we heat up and they cool down, we will be the laughing stock of sports world for a gag job that makes the last 2 cub chokes seem like a hiccup. Maybe this is our payback Karma for us laughing at our neighboors to the north choke it up in 03 and 04.

I'm beginning to feel like the tired Gazelle running from the energetic Cheetah...

Dan H
09-20-2005, 07:18 AM
I'm not on the edge... If the Sox lost this game 4-0 and Milwood went the distance, I'd be on the edge. The team still had fight in the, and even though they didn't get the job done, I think the pitching (what's been there the whole year) will return to its midseason form soon!

Let's remember that they are still chasing us!

The pitching better return to midseason now. Some fans are still acting like there is plenty of time to turn things around, and there is less than two weeks to go in the season. How about winning two in a row for starters? Do we have any memory of the Sox winning two in a row?

oeo
09-20-2005, 08:37 AM
Tom Glavine in his prime? I like Buehrle, but he's just not at that level. Glavine has had 6 seasons with ERA under 3. Mark's best is 3.29 in his rookie season. He's pretty good, but Glavine has two CYs and a WS MVP.

I'm on the edge. This team has been losing a lot lately, the Tribe has been winning, and everybody assumes that of course we'll at least split. Yesterday a lot of people were saying that we would sweep. Well, the worst possible hasn't happened yet, but they're going to have to change something to prevent it.

They may have been losing a lot lately, but yesterday's game was promising. We saw flashbacks from earlier in the year, a little here, a little there. Hopefully tonight it will be just like old times.

BTW, Cleveland may be winning a lot but they don't scare me...if it wasn't for us literally giving them the game, our magic number would be 9 and everyone would be happy.

BeviBall!
09-20-2005, 09:05 AM
BTW, Cleveland may be winning a lot but they don't scare me...if it wasn't for us literally giving them the game, our magic number would be 9 and everyone would be happy.

If a team that has been playing .800 ball for 2 months and has trimmed 13 games off our lead in 6 weeks doesn't scare you then you must be General Patton.

DaveIsHere
09-20-2005, 09:14 AM
I feel better after sleepin gon it as i was pretty pissed last night, but then again we had the winning run at the plate, who had his pitch for a walk off home run, except for th fact that he popped it up. We win tonight and then take the series it will be good.

MsSoxVixen22
09-20-2005, 09:17 AM
I was on the ledge a couple days ago, but I've taken a few steps back. Last nite, I was alittle worried and then our offense picked up. The starting pitcher for Cleveland (forgive me I forgot his name) he was all over the place! Cleveland doesn't scare me and they don't scare the Sox. We would have won if it wasn't for a certain pitcher.....MARTE!!! Buehrle let's get r done today buddy!

Jjav829
09-20-2005, 09:17 AM
BTW, Cleveland may be winning a lot but they don't scare me...if it wasn't for us literally giving them the game, our magic number would be 9 and everyone would be happy.

Huh? :?:

How did we "literally give them the game?" If anything, they gave us a shot to get back into the game. If Blake doesn't make that error to start the bottom of the 5th, we wouldn't have scored 4 runs and might not have scored at all. That error gave the crowd life and helped spark the team. Make that an out and we might never have gotten back into the game.

1917
09-20-2005, 09:18 AM
I got to admit I am...I have trouble sleeping!

Fungo
09-20-2005, 09:55 AM
Right now we are battling for our playoff lives. Once we get throught this and get into the playoffs it will be a huge sigh of relief. We'll be looked at as underdogs & that is when this team thrives.

BedfordChisox
09-20-2005, 10:21 AM
I'm as a big a "dark cloud", "glass is half-empty", "ledge crawler" guy as there is on this site, and that's one of the reasons I haven't posted much lately. I didn't want to contribute to the growing depression.

With that said, I saw something last night in the way the Sox battled back into the game. Yes, a crucial error helped pave the way for the comeback, but it seems like the door has been opened to the Sox in several games recently, and they themselves have managed to slam it shut. That didn't happen last night (though you could argue that Ozzie's multiple pitching changes didn't help the cause any).

I honestly believe that the Sox will win the division (*belch*...oops, I must be gulping the kool-aid that Chitownhawkfan was referring to). And unlike '83, '93, and 2000, they will come into the playoffs with an intensity level that comes with having to play "must win" games very late in the season (and, no... I didn't go back and research the records from those seasons, I just seem to recall that they had a relatively easy time, though my memory is admittedly weakened by age and the fact that my favorite beverages contain fermented grains). As much as I enjoyed the previous division winners and their relatively early clinches (because I could relax and enjoy things), I always had a nagging feeling that the fact that they clinched early/easily, etc., etc. contributed to a playoff fade. If nothing else, the 2005 White Sox will march into the playoffs having been seriously battle-tested. I think that bodes well for us.

Milw made a good point several posts ago: We are playing playoff baseball two weeks early.

Frater Perdurabo
09-20-2005, 10:24 AM
I'm not on the ledge at all. I'm still optimistic. The Sox still have a 2.5 game lead with our heretofore best pitchers set to pitch tonight and Wednesday against Cleveland.

However, I am PISSED. :angry:

I'm pissed off at Marte, for being a worthless POS on the mound last night. Really, for zero salary whatsoever I can come in from the bullpen, throw left-handed and walk the first batter I face. I could plunk two batters in a previous game. If that's all that's required of a "left-handed specialist," I can do the job for much cheaper with a better attitude because I wouldn't leave the clubhouse early without telling my manager.

I'm pissed off at Ozzie for being so loyal to Marte and continuing to use him even though he's useless. Marte is the idiot who tries to fight a fire by spritzing kerosene on it. But Ozzie is the idiot who keeps calling that same kerosene-spritzing firefighter when his house is burning! Who's more foolish? The fool? Or the fool who follows him?

I'm pissed off at Ozzie for being so loyal to El Dookie, who clearly doesn't have it, and for giving McCarthy the shaft because he doesn't want to hurt the feelings of a "veteran warrior." (Although I have to give Ozzie credit for at least commiting to give McCarthy ONE more start in place of El Dookie.)

Can the Sox overcome these self-inflicted handicaps? I believe they can. Whether or not they do is up to them.

skobabe8
09-20-2005, 10:36 AM
I keep expecting myself to wake up one morning and be all freaked out, but it hasn't happened. We STILL have the best record in the AL (unbelievable!) and we STILL have the biggest lead in any AL division (UNBELIEVABLE!).

BeviBall!
09-20-2005, 10:48 AM
I keep expecting myself to wake up one morning and be all freaked out, but it hasn't happened. We STILL have the best record in the AL (unbelievable!) and we STILL have the biggest lead in any AL division (UNBELIEVABLE!).

Even more insane is that the Padres (2 under) will clinch a week before either we or Cleveland do.

Iwritecode
09-20-2005, 11:18 AM
Huh? :?:

How did we "literally give them the game?"

Walks. Way too many of Clevelands runs were scored because of them...

Brian26
09-20-2005, 11:40 AM
I'm living, eating, and dreaming baseball right now. I went to bed last night thinking about this, and woke up at 4:30 in the morning after a BIZARRE dream about the Sox in the ALCS. I'm worried sick and pumped up...I love it and hate it at the same time. I want it to be over, but I don't want it to end.

Lip Man 1
09-20-2005, 11:45 AM
I got up at 5:30AM because I couldn't sleep. I got about five hours of fitfull 'rest'. My stomach has been giving me hell the past ten days. Personally I wish I could just sleep for the next two weeks and find out what happened one way or another.

Lip

chitownhawkfan
09-20-2005, 11:53 AM
At least now I can tell people I know what an ulcer feels like. Cmon you Sox!

Baby Fisk
09-20-2005, 11:55 AM
I got up at 5:30AM because I couldn't sleep. I got about five hours of fitfull 'rest'. My stomach has been giving me hell the past ten days. Personally I wish I could just sleep for the next two weeks and find out what happened one way or another.

Lip
I know it's getting bad and the world is starting to notice, because friends are e-mailing me asking if I'm OK. :(: This is ridiculous.

Lip Man 1
09-20-2005, 12:25 PM
Fisk:

No it means you give a damn about something that you care about. Nothing wrong with that. Some could make the case that getting worked up over a baseball team in the big sceme of things isn't important, but that's up to the individual to decide what they feel is important... not anybody else. Everyone has different priorities.

Lip

Brian26
09-20-2005, 12:41 PM
I got up at 5:30AM because I couldn't sleep. I got about five hours of fitfull 'rest'. My stomach has been giving me hell the past ten days. Personally I wish I could just sleep for the next two weeks and find out what happened one way or another.

Lip

I'm afraid to tell anyone what happened in my Sox-dream last night. Am I the only one that dreams about fricking baseball?

Deuce
09-20-2005, 12:53 PM
I got up at 5:30AM because I couldn't sleep. I got about five hours of fitfull 'rest'. My stomach has been giving me hell the past ten days. Personally I wish I could just sleep for the next two weeks and find out what happened one way or another.

Lip

You are I may be psychicly connected, Lip. This is exactly what has happened to me. Lt. Deuce is no better, and we are trying not to lash out at each other over this race...

I feel like a crack addict right now. All I need is one more win... just one more...

white sox bill
09-20-2005, 01:03 PM
Fisk:

No it means you give a damn about something that you care about. Nothing wrong with that. Some could make the case that getting worked up over a baseball team in the big sceme of things isn't important, but that's up to the individual to decide what they feel is important... not anybody else. Everyone has different priorities.

Lip

Yea I'm a BIT worked up but not really. I promised myself years ago I wouldn't let anything that I can't control control me. Sports is a nice relief valve not to mention entertainment but it is what it is--a baseball game! JMHO! Go Sox!

Iwritecode
09-20-2005, 01:04 PM
Fisk:

No it means you give a damn about something that you care about. Nothing wrong with that. Some could make the case that getting worked up over a baseball team in the big sceme of things isn't important, but that's up to the individual to decide what they feel is important... not anybody else. Everyone has different priorities.

Lip

It’s kinda funny that you mention that because out of curiosity I rented and watched Fever Pitch last night. I learned a few things from it…

1. I had forgotten how whiny Red Sox fans were/are. Hearing them complain about how they are “cursed” or what went wrong for them in the numerous times they’ve been to the playoffs was pretty sickening. Try sharing a city with the Cubs and only making the playoffs 4 times in the past 50 years. :angry: It was also annoying to hear them say “Go Sox!”. The last time I checked, their uniforms either say Boston or Red Sox.

2. That even though I’m a huge fan of the Sox and try to watch every game I can, I can’t be as bad as some others who basically have their lives revolve around the season schedule.

3. Sports fanatics are a unique group of people. Some people invest their heart and soul into a team for their entire lives. Others can’t name one thing they've cared about continuously for 5 years.

4. That once you get to the playoffs, anything can happen. Division champs or AL wildcard. It doesn’t matter to me. Just get there.


One line really struck me and I'm not sure what to think about.

"You've loved the Sox for 23 years. Have they ever loved you back?"

knocko94
09-20-2005, 01:05 PM
I'm afraid to tell anyone what happened in my Sox-dream last night. Am I the only one that dreams about fricking baseball?

I had dreams of Big Frank hitting homers in the playoffs, I kid you not.

It was a good dream.

Brian26
09-20-2005, 01:06 PM
Sports is a nice relief valve not to mention entertainment but it is what it is--a baseball game!

Is it wrong to be more passionate about it than that?

Lip Man 1
09-20-2005, 01:12 PM
I don't think Bill is preaching. At least I hope not. What's 'important' is up to the individual. I make no bones about it....my priorities are my wife, my son and the White Sox in that order. Period. No that is not a joke, I'm deadly serious. Anything else, and I do mean anything goes under those.

Lip

white sox bill
09-20-2005, 01:14 PM
Is it wrong to be more passionate about it than that?

I guess not...its an individual thing. But if you find it THAT passionate have at Brian!

white sox bill
09-20-2005, 01:24 PM
I don't think Bill is preaching. At least I hope not. What's 'important' is up to the individual. I make no bones about it....my priorities are my wife, my son and the White Sox in that order. Period. No that is not a joke, I'm deadly serious. Anything else, and I do mean anything goes under those.

Lip

Right on Lip, I'm sure Brian has other priorities.

jdm2662
09-20-2005, 01:46 PM
I didn't get to sleep until 3AM last night (which sucks since I wake up at 6:30 and don't function well with little sleep). This is really the most intense time as a sports fan for me since the Bulls run and when the Blackhawks were in the playoffs. Those times were intense yes and got upset when they lost. However, I never lost any sleep over it. I'd be disppointed, but never really angry. The most disppointed I was when the Bulls lost in '94 to the Knicks. It was very sad to see the end of the run, but after a couple of hours, I got over it and went on with my life. I love the Bears and Fire more than anything, and seen them lose their share of playoff games and games in general. Again, after yelling for a bit, I'd move on with my life. I always said sports is entertainment, and shouldn't involve your every day life. So, I'm going to say the lack of sleep was due to grad school being on my mind (I did have class last night...).

If this team was in a race all season, I wouldn't be as affected by it. This is upsetting because I've invested so much time and money into them, and they had such a huge lead. I think that has something do with it, and the fact that we all wanted to stick it up the asses to all the mediots and Cub fans. I do have a feeling they are going to win tonight, and my feelings have been generally right all season. We will see. In any case, I should not be losing sleep over a sports team.

tacosalbarojas
09-20-2005, 01:58 PM
I don't think Bill is preaching. At least I hope not. What's 'important' is up to the individual. I make no bones about it....my priorities are my wife, my son and the White Sox in that order. Period. No that is not a joke, I'm deadly serious. Anything else, and I do mean anything goes under those.

LipDead on for me too, Lip. And hey, look, for a lot of us, this is family. It's my folks who took me to games since I was born. It's a heritage not unlike church in some respects. It's a touchstone for us with our family and friends. I know it's that way for me and a lot of my buds. It doesn't get more serious than that. As serious, but not more so.

And yes, Brian, you aren't the only one dreaming about the Sox. I don't think there's any one of us out here who got more than a few hours of fitful rest last night.

The run on Maalox in my neighborhood is unprecedented.

Frater Perdurabo
09-20-2005, 02:04 PM
....my priorities are my wife, my son and the White Sox in that order. Period. No that is not a joke, I'm deadly serious. Anything else, and I do mean anything goes under those.

Lip

I hear that. Mine are faith, wife, career and White Sox. I don't yet have kids but I do have two cats (both of which have white socks, which convinces me that they too are White Sox fans!)

Brian26
09-20-2005, 02:09 PM
Right on Lip, I'm sure Brian has other priorities.

:?:

When did I say baseball was my #1 priority or my only priority? All I said was that it's more than "just a game" for some people. If anything, Lip was agreeing with me more than you. I'd put baseball around #3 or #4 behind the Mrs. and my job.

"Right on Lip!"

Brian26
09-20-2005, 02:11 PM
Dead on for me too, Lip. And hey, look, for a lot of us, this is family. It's my folks who took me to games since I was born. It's a heritage not unlike church in some respects. It's a touchstone for us with our family and friends. I know it's that way for me and a lot of my buds. It doesn't get more serious than that. As serious, but not more so.

Gospel.

minastirith67
09-20-2005, 03:01 PM
Lip,

You should really read the novel (not watch the movie) Fever Pitch. It might make you feel better.

white sox bill
09-20-2005, 03:25 PM
:?:

When did I say baseball was my #1 priority or my only priority? All I said was that it's more than "just a game" for some people. If anything, Lip was agreeing with me more than you. I'd put baseball around #3 or #4 behind the Mrs. and my job.

"Right on Lip!"

Its OK Brian wer'e not competing!:smile:

4th Gen. Sox Fan
09-20-2005, 03:42 PM
I'm not on the edge, I still believe that they can win the division, it's just the mediots and flub fans that are one trying to push me over the edge.

Lip Man 1
09-20-2005, 03:58 PM
Mina67:

I would rather gouge out my eyes with red hot pokers then watch anything that has Drew Barrymore or Jimmy Fallon in it. As far as reading the novel it's still about the 'cursed' Red Sox. No thank you. Besides those clowns actually WON a World Series last year.

I appreciate you trying to help but seeing the Red Sox run around after winning the World Series doesn't do squat for me having never seen my team in one in 45 years.

The Sox can immediately make me and a whole lot of other people feel a hell of a lot better if they would just start winning some friggin' games.

See...it's that simple!

Lip

Baby Fisk
09-20-2005, 04:02 PM
I would rather gouge out my eyes with red hot pokers then watch anything that has Drew Barrymore or Jimmy Fallon in it. As far as reading the novel it's still about the 'cursed' Red Sox. No thank you. Besides those clowns actually WON a World Series last year.

I appreciate you trying to help but seeing the Red Sox run around after winning the World Series doesn't do squat for me having never seen my team in one in 45 years.

You're not missing anything. Blechhh.

TaylorStSox
09-20-2005, 04:26 PM
I didn't think this team had much of a shot to be in the position they're in. I'm enjoying the race. I'm still sure we'll make the playoffs. Once you're in, it doesn't matter how you got there.

spiffie
09-20-2005, 04:30 PM
Mina67:

I would rather gouge out my eyes with red hot pokers then watch anything that has Drew Barrymore or Jimmy Fallon in it. As far as reading the novel it's still about the 'cursed' Red Sox. No thank you. Besides those clowns actually WON a World Series last year.
Actually, the novel is by Nick Hornby (the guy who wrote High Fidelity) and is about his relationship with the Arsenal football team. It was moved over to the Red Sox for the American movie.

minastirith67
09-20-2005, 04:37 PM
Mina67:

I would rather gouge out my eyes with red hot pokers then watch anything that has Drew Barrymore or Jimmy Fallon in it. As far as reading the novel it's still about the 'cursed' Red Sox. No thank you. Besides those clowns actually WON a World Series last year.

I appreciate you trying to help but seeing the Red Sox run around after winning the World Series doesn't do squat for me having never seen my team in one in 45 years.

The Sox can immediately make me and a whole lot of other people feel a hell of a lot better if they would just start winning some friggin' games.

See...it's that simple!

Lip

The novel Fever Pitch is about one fan's love for Arsenal Football Club despite the recent crap about the Red Sox. It consists of a large number of short essays, each focused on a single match between 1968 and 1992. It has been seen as something of a turning point in the public perception of football, making an interest in the game acceptable, even fashionable, in educated and literary circles. More importantly, it shows how a fan's obsession with a particular sport and team can interfere with daily life.

Argalarga
09-20-2005, 04:40 PM
The book is really good. As for the movie...I used to work at Fox, who produced it. They would screen their new releases for the employees over lunch, and we'd still be getting paid to go. I wouldn't even see Fever Pitch then.

skobabe8
09-20-2005, 04:46 PM
I'm not on the edge, I still believe that they can win the division, it's just the mediots and flub fans that are one trying to push me over the edge.

2 specifically: Jim Rome and his boyfriend Roger Lodge.

socko82
09-20-2005, 04:53 PM
I'm right there with everyone else who is losing sleep over this team.

One note that I don't think has been brought up is, if the Sox and Cleveland tie for the division and the runner up would be assured the wildcard they would not play it off. The Sox would win the tie breaker based on head to head and Cleveland would be the wild card. They would only play it off if they were playing for 1 spot. This happened a few years ago with St Louis and Houston so unless they've changed this rule since then the magic # is actually 10 as long as they can beat out the EAST/WEST runner-ups.

jdm2662
09-20-2005, 05:01 PM
I'm right there with everyone else who is losing sleep over this team.

One note that I don't think has been brought up is, if the Sox and Cleveland tie for the division and the runner up would be assured the wildcard they would not play it off. The Sox would win the tie breaker based on head to head and Cleveland would be the wild card. They would only play it off if they were playing for 1 spot. This happened a few years ago with St Louis and Houston so unless they've changed this rule since then the magic # is actually 10 as long as they can beat out the EAST/WEST runner-ups.

You'd be correct. Seattle and Oakland finished tied in 2000. Actually, Oakland had a game cancelled, so they finished a half game ahead of Seattle. Since they held the tie-breaker on Seattle, and Clev was eliminated from the Wild Card a day earlier, making the game up was pointless. Oakland won the division, and Seattle got the Wild Card.

Flight #24
09-20-2005, 05:04 PM
I'm right there with everyone else who is losing sleep over this team.

One note that I don't think has been brought up is, if the Sox and Cleveland tie for the division and the runner up would be assured the wildcard they would not play it off. The Sox would win the tie breaker based on head to head and Cleveland would be the wild card. They would only play it off if they were playing for 1 spot. This happened a few years ago with St Louis and Houston so unless they've changed this rule since then the magic # is actually 10 as long as they can beat out the EAST/WEST runner-ups.

Correct.

Thus, if the Sox can take 1 of the next 2, they'll force the Tribe to win one more than the Sox the rest of the way or only a final series sweep can win them the division. I.e. if the Sox win 5 of the 8 between now & then, the Tribe will have to win 6 of their 7.

jerry myers
09-20-2005, 05:32 PM
I'm not on the ledge, but the "if, if, if" gets real old....

I'm all for trying to stay positive, but this baseball team has flat out not been able to get it done lately...

I don't want to have to seach desperately for postive "if" scenarios to pump myself up....I would rather have the team perform well on the field and pump myself up that way....

I think the real "if" is, "if the Sox keep playing this way and giving games away, we aren't going to the playoffs".....the way Cleveland is playing, they have to take at least one game out of each of the Cleveland series and take both the Twins and Tigers series, to get to the playoffs...if they can't do that, they don't deserve to go to the playoffs...I agree its hard cause theirs nothing we fans can say that will change anything. we have no control. and my heart is in this to. ive been a fan since mid 1970s, lemen,squires,bannister,etc. and this sucks ! just show up to the games this week if you can,and yell your heads off. go sox if they get this going :gulp:.and i think they can. it would be beautiful. its in our teams hands. but in our hearts.

voodoochile
09-20-2005, 05:50 PM
Not on the edge at all. I trust the Sox will make the playoffs. I still expect them to win the division. We just need out starting pitching to pitch like it is capable of pitching and things will be fine.

A_ROW33
09-20-2005, 05:56 PM
Well I'm on the edge, just the other edge. I forget what movie it was in but I remember a line that went along the lines "you may consider this our darkest moment but I think it will be our finest hour" That sums up my view of the current sox situation.

A_ROW33
09-20-2005, 06:05 PM
now I remember the movie, apollo 13

Lip Man 1
09-20-2005, 07:17 PM
Voodoo:

I admire your courage.

Lip