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Domeshot17
09-01-2005, 03:28 PM
Now, I could have this completely wrong, but it was reported that Frank Thomas was put on the 60 day DL today. That would make him eligiable to come off the DL november 1. I do not know if the injury was made retroactive or not, but I think this would make him ineligable for a playoff roster.

Iwritecode
09-01-2005, 03:32 PM
Now, I could have this completely wrong, but it was reported that Frank Thomas was put on the 60 day DL today. That would make him eligiable to come off the DL november 1. I do not know if the injury was made retroactive or not, but I think this would make him ineligable for a playoff roster.

I thought they could make it retroactive to the last game he played in?

ChiSoxRowand
09-01-2005, 03:43 PM
I thought they could make it retroactive to the last game he played in?

I think you're right.

Ol' No. 2
09-01-2005, 03:47 PM
I was gratified to be able to answer promptly. I said I don't know.
-Mark Twain
Playoff eligibility rules are pretty arcane. The fact that they waited until today suggests that they are somehow maintaining his playoff eligibility, but I honestly haven't any idea how this works. Anybody?

Tekijawa
09-01-2005, 03:59 PM
Playoff eligibility rules are pretty arcane. The fact that they waited until today suggests that they are somehow maintaining his playoff eligibility, but I honestly haven't any idea how this works. Anybody?

He should be eligible when he comes off, I think it was the Yankees that used to have NO NAMES on the DL on their 40 man roster for the post season because each of those slots can be filled by another player and switched between each series to maintain the 40 man roster, I think.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/2005-08-31-roster-moves_x.htm

Nice article about this here:

"Another option is for a team to promote a player who is on a minor league disabled list and put him on the major league DL. When it is playoff time, the team must notify Major League Baseball it is replacing the injured player with a player who was in the organization Aug. 31.

The best example of this roster-rule loophole came in 2002, when the Los Angeles Angels used the 60-day DL status of injured pitcher Steve Green (http://fantasybaseball.usatoday.com/index.php?sport=bsball&type=profile&name=3747) to get rookie reliever Francisco Rodriguez (http://fantasybaseball.usatoday.com/index.php?sport=bsball&type=profile&name=3719) on their playoff roster. Rodriguez did not join the Angels until mid-September, but the Angels replaced Green with Rodriguez on their playoff roster and he went on to win a record five playoff games during the team's run to the World Series title."

Ol' No. 2
09-01-2005, 04:10 PM
He should be eligible when he comes off, I think it was the Yankees that used to have NO NAMES on the DL on their 40 man roster for the post season because each of those slots can be filled by another player and switched between each series to maintain the 40 man roster, I think.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/2005-08-31-roster-moves_x.htm

Nice article about this here:

"Another option is for a team to promote a player who is on a minor league disabled list and put him on the major league DL. When it is playoff time, the team must notify Major League Baseball it is replacing the injured player with a player who was in the organization Aug. 31.

The best example of this roster-rule loophole came in 2002, when the Los Angeles Angels used the 60-day DL status of injured pitcher Steve Green (http://fantasybaseball.usatoday.com/index.php?sport=bsball&type=profile&name=3747) to get rookie reliever Francisco Rodriguez (http://fantasybaseball.usatoday.com/index.php?sport=bsball&type=profile&name=3719) on their playoff roster. Rodriguez did not join the Angels until mid-September, but the Angels replaced Green with Rodriguez on their playoff roster and he went on to win a record five playoff games during the team's run to the World Series title."I knew about the K-Rod exception. But the question is, does this make Thomas ineligible? Assuming that they can make the 60 days retroactive to July 21, I guess it wouldn't.

Clembasbal
09-01-2005, 04:25 PM
From Scott Reifort
News Frank Thomas was moved to the 60-day disabled list.

A few people have called asking, but Thomas' placement is retroactive to July 21.

I guess this means that he could be back before the end of September...not that that is really going to happen

Domeshot17
09-01-2005, 11:27 PM
Now we know Kenny loves to fly stealth


Buuutttttt, he said on Chicago Tribune tonight that Frank won't be back for the playoffs, and he needs to focus on letting his foot completely heal, and focus on coming back for 500 homers

JB98
09-01-2005, 11:30 PM
I find it hard to believe that Frank would be anywhere near 100 percent by October 3rd. While I would love to see him back for the playoffs, I knew all along it was wishful thinking and not reality.

jabrch
09-01-2005, 11:45 PM
I find it hard to imagine he will be able to support his weight playing baseball in October. Sadly, I don't believe Frank will be on the roster in the playoffs this year. I'd love to be proven wrong.

SOX ADDICT '73
09-02-2005, 12:29 AM
I find it hard to believe that Frank would be anywhere near 100 percent by October 3rd. While I would love to see him back for the playoffs, I knew all along it was wishful thinking and not reality.
Frank hitting a Gibson-esque pinch homer to win a WS game would have been a highlight for the ages, but anyone who believed this was remotely possible was not just being a Sunny Sky - they were somewhere in outer space!

Mohoney
09-02-2005, 09:47 AM
Frank hitting a Gibson-esque pinch homer to win a WS game would have been a highlight for the ages, but anyone who believed this was remotely possible was not just being a Sunny Sky - they were somewhere in outer space!

We were only going on what the man said himself.

PaleHoseGeorge
09-02-2005, 09:59 AM
I'm not surprised. All this does is confirm the Sox were blowing smoke by talking about Frank's return to build up KW's bargaining leverage before the September 1 trading deadline.

It costs the team nothing to put Frank's name back out there the last week of August. It wasn't going to affect Frank's rehab either. Who else remembers KW getting pissed because Frank wouldn't sit on the bench with a cast on his foot to act as "decoy" until a AAA replacement could arrive from Charlotte?

That was a different situation. Frank could hardly serve as a decoy wearing a cast and needed rehab immediately. I don't see any fault by the Sox this time.

TheOldRoman
09-02-2005, 11:56 AM
I'm not surprised. All this does is confirm the Sox were blowing smoke by talking about Frank's return to build up KW's bargaining leverage before the September 1 trading deadline.

It costs the team nothing to put Frank's name back out there the last week of August. It wasn't going to affect Frank's rehab either. Who else remembers KW getting pissed because Frank wouldn't sit on the bench with a cast on his foot to act as "decoy" until a AAA replacement could arrive from Charlotte?

That was a different situation. Frank could hardly serve as a decoy wearing a cast and needed rehab immediately. I don't see any fault by the Sox this time.
I see your point, but this doesn't really mean anything. IF he were healthy enough to hit, he would still be elligible for the postseason roster. This move doesnt mean much, from what others have said.

shoota
09-02-2005, 01:44 PM
He should be eligible when he comes off, I think it was the Yankees that used to have NO NAMES on the DL on their 40 man roster for the post season because each of those slots can be filled by another player and switched between each series to maintain the 40 man roster, I think.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/2005-08-31-roster-moves_x.htm

Nice article about this here:

"Another option is for a team to promote a player who is on a minor league disabled list and put him on the major league DL. When it is playoff time, the team must notify Major League Baseball it is replacing the injured player with a player who was in the organization Aug. 31.

The best example of this roster-rule loophole came in 2002, when the Los Angeles Angels used the 60-day DL status of injured pitcher Steve Green (http://fantasybaseball.usatoday.com/index.php?sport=bsball&type=profile&name=3747) to get rookie reliever Francisco Rodriguez (http://fantasybaseball.usatoday.com/index.php?sport=bsball&type=profile&name=3719) on their playoff roster. Rodriguez did not join the Angels until mid-September, but the Angels replaced Green with Rodriguez on their playoff roster and he went on to win a record five playoff games during the team's run to the World Series title."

I was thinking about this recently. This is probably the reason Joe Crede was put on the DL.

With him and Thomas on the DL, this allows KW and Ozzie to put two productive players on the playoff roster.

TheOldRoman
09-02-2005, 01:52 PM
I was thinking about this recently. This is probably the reason Joe Crede was put on the DL.

With him and Thomas on the DL, this allows KW and Ozzie to put two productive players on the playoff roster.
:rolleyes:
Still insane, I see?

Jjav829
09-02-2005, 04:21 PM
I was thinking about this recently. This is probably the reason Joe Crede was put on the DL.

With him and Thomas on the DL, this allows KW and Ozzie to put two productive players on the playoff roster.

Wow, that was one quick week.

SouthSide_HitMen
09-02-2005, 05:30 PM
From BP Prospectus - Will Carrol's injury column:


Just a few days after Frank Thomas (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/dt/thomafr04.shtml) left the door open to a late season return, the White Sox slammed it shut by placing him on the 60-day DL. This not only closes out the season for Thomas, but likely his long and storied White Sox career. There’s some confusion as to why the move was made when there was no setback. There’s some speculation that it’s another move from the dugout, locking in the “team they want,” which has to be respected if not understood. Thomas hasn’t discussed retirement, but like Nomar Garciaparra (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/dt/garcino01.shtml) across town, he’ll likely find a big money deal tough to find, even at the one-year level.

Ol' No. 2
09-03-2005, 09:56 AM
From BP Prospectus - Will Carrol's injury column:


Just a few days after Frank Thomas (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/dt/thomafr04.shtml) left the door open to a late season return, the White Sox slammed it shut by placing him on the 60-day DL. This not only closes out the season for Thomas, but likely his long and storied White Sox career. There’s some confusion as to why the move was made when there was no setback. There’s some speculation that it’s another move from the dugout, locking in the “team they want,” which has to be respected if not understood. Thomas hasn’t discussed retirement, but like Nomar Garciaparra (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/dt/garcino01.shtml) across town, he’ll likely find a big money deal tough to find, even at the one-year level.So Will Carroll doesn't know (didn't bother to find out) that the 60 days is RETROACTIVE to July 21 and Frank IS eligible to be on the playoff roster.:rolleyes:

And actually, there's NO confusion on why the move was made on Sept 1. If they'd made the move earlier, he wouldn't be eligible to be on the playoff roster and they'd lose that extra slot.:rolleyes:

Will Carroll: Always a great source of information.

SouthSide_HitMen
09-03-2005, 12:25 PM
So Will Carroll doesn't know (didn't bother to find out) that the 60 days is RETROACTIVE to July 21 and Frank IS eligible to be on the playoff roster.:rolleyes:

And actually, there's NO confusion on why the move was made on Sept 1. If they'd made the move earlier, he wouldn't be eligible to be on the playoff roster and they'd lose that extra slot.:rolleyes:

Will Carroll: Always a great source of information.

Why should he bother to find out the facts - this wasn't about the great Chicago cubs - his favorite team?