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Tekijawa
08-31-2005, 09:32 AM
I was thinking last night, almost all of our starters are at the top of the League in innings pitched and knowing how much Ozzie likes to get guys rest would it make sence, especially with how McCarthy looked last night, to go to a 6 man rotation and get the big 3 a rest going into the post season? Or would this throw everythign off?

MsSoxVixen22
08-31-2005, 10:13 AM
If BMac can continue pitching like he did last nite......I think it would be a great idea. It will give the other guys a much needed break. I think Ozzie's probably going to consider it after BMac's great outing.

UofCSoxFan
08-31-2005, 10:14 AM
Not a terrible thought...something Ozzie would (and maybe has) discussed with his pitchers. I know Buerhle really likes going every 5th day, and actually have heard he'd prefer to go every 4th.

I think what you'll prob see more of is starters being kept to 80-90 pitches instead of 100-110.

kittle42
08-31-2005, 10:20 AM
I'll tell you what makes this thought less appealling....Mike Murphy has been touting it for years.

Clembasbal
08-31-2005, 10:23 AM
I'll tell you what makes this thought less appealling....Mike Murphy has been touting it for years.

I don't know if he was the guy, but this was mentioned in the Trib the other day...maybe Sunday or Friday.

I will look for it.

I agree with it though, especially since it will save 2-3 starts per person until the postseason. It would cost one of our guys the Cy Young - but to be honest I don't think either one of them has a chance at it anymore.

EDIT: linky (http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/cs-050829rogers,1,6725168.story)

Flight #24
08-31-2005, 10:34 AM
I agree with it though, especially since it will save 2-3 starts per person until the postseason. It would cost one of our guys the Cy Young - but to be honest I don't think either one of them has a chance at it anymore.



Actually, with Halladay out for the year, if you remove him from the picture, it comes down to a handful of guys:

- Buehrle: 196IP / 14W / 3.07ERA / 1.17WHIP / 3.72K/BB
- Santana: 188IP / 13W / 3.15ERA / 1.00WHIP / 5.42 K/BB
- Colon: 189IP / 17W / 3.23ERA / 1.13WHIP / 3.71 K/BB
- Zito: 192IP / 12W / 3.37ERA / 1.14WHIP / 1.959K/BB
- Garland: 177IP / 16W / 3.45ERA / 1.19WHIP / 2.39K/BB

A couple of others I left off were Millwood (only 7W), Silva (9W), Kenny Rogers (153IP, plus the whole suspension thing).

IMO it's going to come down to Colon, Santana, Buehrle. If Mark can get 20W, that'll be huge for his chances, and he should get something of a boost because he's been the ace for the best team in the AL all year. That said, I think Colon is probably the current frontrunner. So I doubt Ozzie skips Mark. Jon's got an outside shot, so he probably wouldn't get skipped either. If anyone were to miss starts, it would be Duque to keep him healthy, or to give Contreras some time to get used to pitching out of the 'pen.

FWIW, Halladay was blowing the rest away, but only 141IP isn't going to cut it.

daveeym
08-31-2005, 10:43 AM
I think a six man rotation would probably hurt more than help. I'd rather see McCarthy get one start a week, resting a different guy every week. Let each starter skip a start to keep em fresh and then back to normal. Start with the top of the rotation next week and move on down the line. That way the top three get a blow but will be back on a normal routine going into the playoffs.

harwar
08-31-2005, 10:45 AM
I've heard this thrown around for a couple of weeks now and it sounds like a great idea.
I believe Phil Rogers mentioned something about it recently.

SOXPHILE
08-31-2005, 10:47 AM
I've heard this thrown around for a couple of weeks now and it sounds like a great idea.
I believe Phil Rogers mentioned something about it recently.

You are correct sir ! Eddie Munster...er..I mean Phil Rogers wrote about it just the other day.

Mohoney
08-31-2005, 10:48 AM
Actually, with Halladay out for the year, if you remove him from the picture, it comes down to a handful of guys:

- Buehrle: 196IP / 14W / 3.07ERA / 1.17WHIP / 3.72K/BB
- Santana: 188IP / 13W / 3.15ERA / 1.00WHIP / 5.42 K/BB
- Colon: 189IP / 17W / 3.23ERA / 1.13WHIP / 3.71 K/BB
- Zito: 192IP / 12W / 3.37ERA / 1.14WHIP / 1.959K/BB
- Garland: 177IP / 16W / 3.45ERA / 1.19WHIP / 2.39K/BB

A couple of others I left off were Millwood (only 7W), Silva (9W), Kenny Rogers (153IP, plus the whole suspension thing).

IMO it's going to come down to Colon, Santana, Buehrle. If Mark can get 20W, that'll be huge for his chances, and he should get something of a boost because he's been the ace for the best team in the AL all year. That said, I think Colon is probably the current frontrunner. So I doubt Ozzie skips Mark. Jon's got an outside shot, so he probably wouldn't get skipped either. If anyone were to miss starts, it would be Duque to keep him healthy, or to give Contreras some time to get used to pitching out of the 'pen.

FWIW, Halladay was blowing the rest away, but only 141IP isn't going to cut it.

I don't know if there are enough games left for Buehrle to win 20. If we're going to have a 20 game winner, I think it would be Garland.

My guess would be that Colon wins the Cy Young this year.

Flight #24
08-31-2005, 10:53 AM
I don't know if there are enough games left for Buehrle to win 20. If we're going to have a 20 game winner, I think it would be Garland.

My guess would be that Colon wins the Cy Young this year.

32 games left, so Mark should get 5-6 starts, which should be plenty for him to win 4 more and get to 20. If he pitches like Mark Buehrle rather than Esteban Loaiza ca.2004, that is!

Tekijawa
08-31-2005, 11:00 AM
Actually, with Halladay out for the year, if you remove him from the picture, it comes down to a handful of guys:

- Buehrle: 196IP / 14W / 3.07ERA / 1.17WHIP / 3.72K/BB
- Santana: 188IP / 13W / 3.15ERA / 1.00WHIP / 5.42 K/BB
- Colon: 189IP / 17W / 3.23ERA / 1.13WHIP / 3.71 K/BB
- Zito: 192IP / 12W / 3.37ERA / 1.14WHIP / 1.959K/BB
- Garland: 177IP / 16W / 3.45ERA / 1.19WHIP / 2.39K/BB


What about Mariano?

Cubsuck_a_lot
08-31-2005, 11:24 AM
What about Mariano?

i agree. without a seperate award for relievers, all pitchers should be considered candidates for the Cy Young. Rivera makes a solid case for his nomination, but i dont think it will happen. Gange won cuz of his absolutley amazing saves streak. MAriano is definetely one of the top pitchers in the majors, starters or relievers, but does he really have an honest shot at the Cy young?

UofCSoxFan
08-31-2005, 11:24 AM
32 games left, so Mark should get 5-6 starts, which should be plenty for him to win 4 more and get to 20. If he pitches like Mark Buehrle rather than Esteban Loaiza ca.2004, that is!

He needs 6 wins more in 5-6 starts to make it happen. If I was a betting man...

mdep524
08-31-2005, 11:26 AM
32 games left, so Mark should get 5-6 starts, which should be plenty for him to win 4 more and get to 20. If he pitches like Mark Buehrle rather than Esteban Loaiza ca.2004, that is! ...except Buehrle currently has 14 wins, so he would need to win 6 more games to get to 20. It's a stretch at this point.

EDIT: I see UofC just pointed this out. Jon still has a chance to win 4 more games... though the two wins he had stolen from him recently- a few weeks ago in KC and last week in Minnesota would have been nice.

iamkoza
08-31-2005, 11:27 AM
i agree. without a seperate award for relievers, all pitchers should be considered candidates for the Cy Young. Rivera makes a solid case for his nomination, but i dont think it will happen. Gange won cuz of his absolutley amazing saves streak. MAriano is definetely one of the top pitchers in the majors, starters or relievers, but does he really have an honest shot at the Cy young?

If the skanks make the playoffs, get ready for some good ole east coast propaganda for mariano. In fact I'd almost be surprised if a white sox got it in that situation

Mohoney
08-31-2005, 11:32 AM
32 games left, so Mark should get 5-6 starts, which should be plenty for him to win 4 more and get to 20. If he pitches like Mark Buehrle rather than Esteban Loaiza ca.2004, that is!

Garland is the one with 16 wins. Mark would need to win out to have a shot at 20.

SoxinAZ
08-31-2005, 11:34 AM
Pitching the only thing on this team that's been fairly consistent. Don't mess with the watch if it keeps good time.