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JRIG
08-23-2005, 10:20 PM
Have at it

CubsfansareDRUNK
08-23-2005, 10:20 PM
*sigh*

delben91
08-23-2005, 10:20 PM
There's no way that just happened...

jdm2662
08-23-2005, 10:20 PM
I HATE THE TWINS! EVERY FRICKEN BOUNCE GOES THERE WAY IT SEEMS! :angry:

Lorenzo Barcelo
08-23-2005, 10:20 PM
Mercy.

nug0hs
08-23-2005, 10:20 PM
In the words of Jim Belushi: "My advice to you is to start drinking heavily"

PAPChiSox729
08-23-2005, 10:21 PM
Man, that Santana is good. We just got outpitched tonight. Get 'em tommorrow.

TomC727
08-23-2005, 10:21 PM
I am seriously starting to worry about this team.

slobes
08-23-2005, 10:21 PM
Same story as the losing streak; good pitching, but can't hit to save their life

dcb33
08-23-2005, 10:21 PM
If the outcome of this game doesn't motivate every single one of our hitters to get off their butts and start doing their jobs, nothing will.

soxwon
08-23-2005, 10:21 PM
Great game- once again our luck is gone.

7 in front though- we will get em tommorow.

ChiSoxlukes
08-23-2005, 10:21 PM
Same ole Twins: Great Pitching, Excellent Defense, Clutch Hitting (Hit)

soltrain21
08-23-2005, 10:21 PM
Awesome reassurance for our pitchers. Now they know they HAVE to be COMPLETELY perfect.



Where is he going to play?


Hawk pissed me off, too. "Best game ever." Whatever...it blew.

JB98
08-23-2005, 10:21 PM
Just heartbreaking. Have the baseball gods totally forsaken us? Geez....

chisoxmike
08-23-2005, 10:21 PM
Why?

Blueprint1
08-23-2005, 10:21 PM
Right now this is the least clutch team I have ever seen. Can we find a way to lose that hurts worse than this. Lead is down to seven games now. and we still have 41 left to play. :whiner:

CubsfansareDRUNK
08-23-2005, 10:21 PM
**** **** **** **** **** **** **** ****

our offense blows so much. I'm starting to lose faith.

A.T. Money
08-23-2005, 10:21 PM
By far, this was the worst loss of the year, and by far one of the worst losses to the Twins in my lifetime.

It seems like we never beat them this way...we have to blow them away.

CHISOXFAN13
08-23-2005, 10:21 PM
Nice to see Timo hit for Iguchi in the ninth.

This reminded me of the McDowell game in 93 until Freddy gave up the jack. Thought Pablo's ball would get down, too.

This one stings real bad.

Juice16
08-23-2005, 10:21 PM
this was the hardest game to watch all year. seeing freddie deal and twins players steal hit after hit. this is the worst taste i have had in my mouth all year. yes it wa a great BASEBALL game but for me, it was the worst game of the year.

Jurr
08-23-2005, 10:22 PM
I will go ahead and say it...I'll be surprised if this team ends up in the playoffs. They have a big statement game tomorrow, whether they like it or not. If they let the Twins beat them tomorrow, they'll most likely lose the next as well, and we'll all be in a WORLD of hurt. I cannot believe I'm watching this crap.

ShoelessJoeS
08-23-2005, 10:22 PM
:angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:

HotelWhiteSox
08-23-2005, 10:22 PM
Great game from a baseball point of view, Dye's catch one of the best I've ever seen. Rough ending, go get em tomorow

twinsuck1
08-23-2005, 10:22 PM
NO! Freddy did not lose that game our WEAK ASS OFFENSE did!
:angry:

SomebodyToldMe
08-23-2005, 10:22 PM
I am seriously starting to worry about this team.

::sigh:: You're not the only one.

Kogs35
08-23-2005, 10:23 PM
just speechless thats all. MUST get them tomorow

whitesoxwin
08-23-2005, 10:23 PM
Hurts real bad.......

ndgt10
08-23-2005, 10:23 PM
If we go 20-20 the rest of the way, the Indians have to go 25-11 to tie us.

UofCSoxFan
08-23-2005, 10:23 PM
At least the chemestry on this team is great...

is there an angry I freaking told ya so teal?

The Dude
08-23-2005, 10:23 PM
In the words of Jim Belushi: "My advice to you is to start drinking heavily"

You mean his dead brother John....Not that no talent assclown Jim.

Malgar 12
08-23-2005, 10:23 PM
Same ole Twins: Great Pitching, Excellent Defense, Clutch Hitting (Hit)

especially when it matters... of course the Same can't be said for the Sox, the bigger the game the more they disappear.

CHISOXFAN13
08-23-2005, 10:24 PM
::sigh:: You're not the only one.

Anyone who isn't worried right now simply isn't telling the truth.

The Sox have now gone scoreless in the last 13 innings after the six-run explosion off Johnson.

UofCSoxFan
08-23-2005, 10:24 PM
Why The Hell Was Timo Pitch Hitting For Iguchi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!????????????

dpbyron
08-23-2005, 10:24 PM
I can't believe this is happening :o:

They can't blow a 15 game lead can they?

At least it is 9 in the loss column... :rolleyes:

Wsoxmike59
08-23-2005, 10:24 PM
Tough tough loss for Freddy G, what a heartbreaker. Man your heart just goes out to Freddy. A near no hitter and he loses 1-0! All I can think of is the game Rich Dotson lost to the Orioles in '83. Almost an exact replica of that game took place tonite!

http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/B05180BAL1983.htm

SABRSox
08-23-2005, 10:24 PM
Please, please let this game finally be the one that pushes Kenny to overpay to get someone in here that can hit. This offense is flatlining, and Pablo Ozuna, Timo Perez, et al will not save it.

SouthSide_HitMen
08-23-2005, 10:24 PM
I thought it was a great game - except that hit Freddy gave up. Great pitchers duel. Santana will make any teams hitters look bad.

Time to regroup and get them tomorrow.

And Ozzie - don't ever pinch hit Timo for Iguchi. Timo should barely be pinch hitting for the pitchers (not the reason for the loss by any means but lets get serious here - Timo shouldn't be playing except for emergencies or blow outs).

ChiSoxlukes
08-23-2005, 10:24 PM
I will go ahead and say it...I'll be surprised if this team ends up in the playoffs. .


Lets not get too carried away here. It was one loss against last year's AL Cy Young Winner!

whitesoxfan
08-23-2005, 10:24 PM
we need Griffey, NOW!

this team is looking terrible at the plate, we need some bats in a hurry.

chisoxmike
08-23-2005, 10:24 PM
By far, this was the worst loss of the year, and by far one of the worst losses to the Twins in my lifetime.

It seems like we never beat them this way...we have to blow them away.

:hawk
"This was by far, the best game I've ever seen."

Whatever Hawk, this sucked. Sucked hard. What a ****ing slap in the face to the Sox. The team looked DEAD in that dugout in the ninth. How can a team see a pitcher 4 or 5 times EVERY SEASON and still not be able to manage a run off him.

This team needs to start hitting. NOW! Its now a 7 game lead.

:angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:

Goose
08-23-2005, 10:25 PM
I feel drained, and I think I will be sick.


Hats off to Freddy. I never thought I would see a one hit loss...

FedEx227
08-23-2005, 10:25 PM
unbelievable...

stop all the "omg we're still 7 ahead"
"its just a losing streak"
"its injuries"

this team flat out CANT hit, we didn't pull enough triggers to bring a big bat in and now we are left with this, withering to the Twinkies again while the Indians surge... i wouldn't be surprised if there are no playoffs.

CubsfansareDRUNK
08-23-2005, 10:25 PM
Kenny do something PLEASE!!! :whiner:

ndgt10
08-23-2005, 10:25 PM
I know the whole team sucks right now, but what is up with Rowand? I swear whenever I see him up to bat he strikes out on an outside slider with 1 hand on the bat.

Uncle_Patrick
08-23-2005, 10:25 PM
Ugh....one of the most frustrating games of the season.:angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:

Freddy was spectacular.

Beautiful catch by Dye.

The offense sleeps through another game.:angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:

34rancher
08-23-2005, 10:25 PM
So let me get this straight...we have now scored 14 runs in the last 7 games...or 14 runs in the last 63 innings.

Kenny, pull off a #$%^ing trade. Or get Pods off the DL. If this does not show that he is the MVP this year, I do not what does. I don't care if Cy Young himself was on the mound and throws 15 straight perfect innings, we cannot score.

VivaOzzie
08-23-2005, 10:25 PM
One helluva game for Freddy and the Sox defense.
One hell of a game for the Sox offense.

This offense is killing me. I cant wait until our regular lineup is back to playing every game. I guess its a necessary evil.

Irishsox1
08-23-2005, 10:25 PM
Oh God, are we in trouble!

Brace yourselves, because its only going to get worse.

Is the offense that pathetic without Podsednik?

Huisj
08-23-2005, 10:25 PM
If we go 20-20 the rest of the way, the Indians have to go 25-11 to tie us.

Is this offense capable of winning 20 more games? For everyone who's been saying all along "it's ok, it's ok, look at our lead" does this raise any red flags, as in flags that say "oh crap, maybe everything isn't ok"?

JRIG
08-23-2005, 10:25 PM
Why The Hell Was Timo Pitch Hitting For Iguchi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!????????????

Only Ozzie knows for sure. But at least he worked a heck of an at bat against Nathan.

THE_HOOTER
08-23-2005, 10:25 PM
If we go 20-20 the rest of the way, the Indians have to go 25-11 to tie us.


Please convince me we'll go 20-20 the rest of the way cause I dont see it.

slobes
08-23-2005, 10:25 PM
Nice to see Timo hit for Iguchi in the ninth.



Why did Ozzie do that? I didn't have the sound on so I don't know if Hawk said anything about it or not.

spiffie
08-23-2005, 10:26 PM
Look at the bright side, in a clutch game on the road Freddie stepped up huge. Sure we got unlucky that all of our balls fell into their gloves, but that happens sometimes. The good thing is when the playoffs start (and to not say we'll make the playoffs would be to invite the dark cloud tag, and I don't want that!) we know Freddie is ready to be clutch.

We should have had 4-5 runs but they had absolutely amazing defense. This team is still well-set for the playoffs. Nothing to fear except for injury (get well soon Podsednik!)

Viva Medias B's
08-23-2005, 10:26 PM
The only thing that matters to me is that we lost and Cleveland is closer in the rearview mirror. If we don't start hitting, we will blow this lead! Go ahead! Call me a dark cloud all you want. See if I care.

A.T. Money
08-23-2005, 10:26 PM
How many times are they going to rob us in the gaps too? You have to figure that this has to change at some point. These guys seem to always have these miraculous defensive gems against ONLY US!

And I wish people would stop saying that Sox are going to make it into the postseason. There is still more than a month, and we did lose about half of our lead in about a week's time. At one point in the season, I felt nothing but confidence in our team. Now, it seems like we're destined to screw this whole thing up. Meanwhile, Cleveland plays the ****ty O's and Rays.

UofCSoxFan
08-23-2005, 10:26 PM
Ozuna actually hit well today....he should be in the lineup tomorrow...

Konerko looked good too....although nothing to show for it.

The rest.......crap.

ndgt10
08-23-2005, 10:26 PM
we need Griffey, NOW!

this team is looking terrible at the plate, we need some bats in a hurry.

Like someone said a few days ago, the longer this goes the more Kenny is going to have to pay out of his ass for griffey.

TomC727
08-23-2005, 10:26 PM
I have a bad feeling about this team making the playoffs. I guess my deposit for playoff tickets will be going to next years season ticket balance. I can't believe this. Our lead was 13 games a couple weeks ago, now it is 7 and we still have 40 some games left. If Kenny doesn't get a big hitter (Griffey namely), he should be fired. I am sorry, this is crap. I don't care about team chemistry. How will the team chemistry be when the sox are sitting on their asses in october because they blew a 13 game division lead in mid august. This is not good and I liked Hawks statement at the end, "If this game doesn't show you something..." I think he was refering to the lack of hitting. This isn't a rant, this is stating the facts.

Blueprint1
08-23-2005, 10:26 PM
Lets not get too carried away here. It was one loss against last year's AL Cy Young Winner!

I think the last two weeks has done this to alot of us. I really don't think we can score any runs. If we score 3 runs that HUGE now.

Malgar 12
08-23-2005, 10:27 PM
Lets not get too carried away here. It was one loss against last year's AL Cy Young Winner!

rationalize rationalize rationalize...things are not good anyway you slice it... they've got a seven game lead so there is time to turn it aroud...but it SERIOUSLY needs to be turned around...they've lost 4 straight to the Twins and have shown NO SIGNS OF LIFE...

dickallen15
08-23-2005, 10:27 PM
The leadoff hitter had a single, double and stolen base. This has nothing to do with Pods not being in the line-up.

pczarapa
08-23-2005, 10:27 PM
we need Griffey, NOW!

this team is looking terrible at the plate, we need some bats in a hurry.

We need a hell of a lot more than Griffey, no one except for Ozuna got a hit

StillMissOzzie
08-23-2005, 10:27 PM
If we go 20-20 the rest of the way, the Indians have to go 25-11 to tie us.

With 6 games against the Tribe, the final 3 of the regular season in Cleveland.

****! One stinking hit and they lose the game. They leave the bats in Chicago?

To those who have been accusing others of dark-cloudism: Just when is it OK to start being worried?

SMO
:angry:

ndgt10
08-23-2005, 10:28 PM
Please convince me we'll go 20-20 the rest of the way cause I dont see it.

If we go 15-25, then the Indians must go 20-16 to tie us. :mad:

soxjim
08-23-2005, 10:28 PM
What can I say. This offense has been asleep for about 2-3 weeks now, except for 1 inning on Sunday. I will give credit to Freddy and thats it.

silenceofthehawk
08-23-2005, 10:28 PM
2 weeks to the Royals.:smile:

twinsuck1
08-23-2005, 10:28 PM
Look at the bright side, in a clutch game on the road Freddie stepped up huge. Sure we got unlucky that all of our balls fell into their gloves, but that happens sometimes. The good thing is when the playoffs start (and to not say we'll make the playoffs would be to invite the dark cloud tag, and I don't want that!) we know Freddie is ready to be clutch.

We should have had 4-5 runs but they had absolutely amazing defense. This team is still well-set for the playoffs. Nothing to fear except for injury (get well soon Podsednik!)


ARE YOU KIDDING???? We can't hit!!!! Does not matter how great Freddie pitches If we can't freakin hit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:angry:

chisox83
08-23-2005, 10:28 PM
We need a hell of a lot more than Griffey, no one except for Ozuna got a hit

We don't need Griffey. Where's he gonna play? :mad:

Kizzy08
08-23-2005, 10:28 PM
I really don't like the title of this thread, "Freddy gave up one too many hits"

Is that cuz if he didn't allow a hit, we would have won with no runs?

This team is making me sick, they need to play like they got a pair.

cubhater
08-23-2005, 10:28 PM
If we go 20-20 the rest of the way, the Indians have to go 25-11 to tie us.

And what happens if we go 10-30? No teal required.

Not taking anything away from Santana, but our offense stinks. Everyone's gone in the tank.:angry:

CHISOXFAN13
08-23-2005, 10:29 PM
With 6 games against the Tribe, the final 3 of the regular season in Cleveland.

****! One stinking hit and they lose the game. They leave the bats in Chicago?

To those who have been accusing others of dark-cloudism: Just when is it OK to start being worried?

SMO
:angry:

I've been pretty optimistic up until tonight. Watching Cleveland steal a win in Tampa while the Sox failed to put up a single tally certainly has me very concerned now.

SouthSide_HitMen
08-23-2005, 10:29 PM
Tough tough loss for Freddy G, what a heartbreaker. Man your heart just goes out to Freddy. A near no hitter and he loses 1-0! All I can think of is the game Rich Dotson lost to the Orioles in '83. Almost an exact replica of that game took place tonite!

http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/B05180BAL1983.htm

I remember watching that game and hoping for a no hitter though Dotson was all over the place (7 walks). Garcia pitched better but also got what the little boy shot at - nothing - for his effort.

Santana pitched great as well - it is hard for any team to beat him as his record the past few years indicate.

Malgar 12
08-23-2005, 10:29 PM
Just when is it OK to start being worried?

SMO
:angry:

NEVER!!!

peeonwrigley
08-23-2005, 10:29 PM
We need a hell of a lot more than Griffey, no one except for Ozuna got a hit

Blum

Viva Medias B's
08-23-2005, 10:29 PM
If we go 15-25, then the Indians must go 20-16 to tie us. :mad:

That is not out of the question at all.

pczarapa
08-23-2005, 10:29 PM
The only thing that matters to me is that we lost and Cleveland is closer in the rearview mirror. If we don't start hitting, we will blow this lead! Go ahead! Call me a dark cloud all you want. See if I care.

I completely agree. If we drop the next two and Cleveland keeps pounding the hapless Devil Rays, the lead is down to 5. All the people who think the Sox have this locked up are smokin' something.

PicktoCLick72
08-23-2005, 10:30 PM
I am flat out scared.

UofCSoxFan
08-23-2005, 10:30 PM
I agree...if I hear one more person say...well look we are still up 7....THERE ARE 39 GAMES LEFT! That may not seem like a lot....but that is a quarter of the season. As it stands now....I'm not positive this club wins 90 games...Those games at the end vs. Cleveland are looking huge.

mmmmmbeeer
08-23-2005, 10:30 PM
Look at the bright side, in a clutch game on the road Freddie stepped up huge. Sure we got unlucky that all of our balls fell into their gloves, but that happens sometimes. The good thing is when the playoffs start (and to not say we'll make the playoffs would be to invite the dark cloud tag, and I don't want that!) we know Freddie is ready to be clutch.

We should have had 4-5 runs but they had absolutely amazing defense. This team is still well-set for the playoffs. Nothing to fear except for injury (get well soon Podsednik!)

you hit the important point in your post, their defense was unbelievable. We should have had 3-4 runs without their amazing D. I don't know about you guys, but I wasn't expecting to win against Santana tonight anyway...if we had won I would have been pleasantly surprised. Of course, I didn't expect the loss to be a 1 hit effort by Freddy.

ndgt10
08-23-2005, 10:30 PM
And what happens if we go 10-30? No teal required.

Not taking anything away from Santana, but our offense stinks. Everyone's gone in the tank.:angry:

Ask and you shall receive...If we go 10-30 the rest of the way, the Indians must go 15-21 to tie us.

Malgar 12
08-23-2005, 10:30 PM
That is not out of the question at all.

Neither is 20-16 from the Indians especially when they play the Sox 7 more times.

mr_genius
08-23-2005, 10:30 PM
Dear Sox, please do not prove the Tribune, ESPN, Sun-Times, ect. right by losing the division.

your pal,
mr_genius

fan_since_64
08-23-2005, 10:30 PM
I am fed up with this late season swoon every year to the blasted twinkies!

time for Ozzie to get tossed or Pierzinski to start a brawl!

SluggersAway
08-23-2005, 10:31 PM
FREDDY GAVE UP ONE TOO MANY?

What the frig are you talking about?

You can't ask for anything more from a pitcher!

8 innings pitched, 1 hit, 1 run, 1 earned run (read that over again).

This loss is on the offense without a doubt, if you can't win while the pitcher gives up one hit, you will never win.

Even if the first guy to write the post game thread gets the placement, the title of this thread is retarded.

DickAllen72
08-23-2005, 10:31 PM
Awesome reassurance for our pitchers. Now they know they HAVE to be COMPLETELY perfect.



Where is he going to play?


Hawk pissed me off, too. "Best game ever." Whatever...it blew.

Yeah, the next thing I'm expecting Hawk to say is, "This 2005 White Sox team is the best team I've seen in Chicago since the '69 Cubs!"

CHISOXFAN13
08-23-2005, 10:31 PM
you hit the important point in your post, their defense was unbelievable. We should have had 3-4 runs without their amazing D. I don't know about you guys, but I wasn't expecting to win against Santana tonight anyway...if we had won I would have been pleasantly surprised. Of course, I didn't expect the loss to be a 1 hit effort by Freddy.


This was obviously one the Twins needed, but thwe way in which they won the game far outweighs the loss itself.

Jurr
08-23-2005, 10:31 PM
Has anybody looked at Cleveland's schedule? Jeez.

3 with Toronto, 6 left with Detroit and Minnesota, 7 with KC, 6 with us, and three with Oakland...oh....and three more with the pathetic D Rays. Wow. We have our work cut out for us.

ndgt10
08-23-2005, 10:31 PM
I am flat out scared.

Here's the look on my face with each passing day: :o:

Uncle_Patrick
08-23-2005, 10:31 PM
I'm not giving up on the Sox yet, but this offense definitely needs to pull its head out of its ass.

Mickster
08-23-2005, 10:31 PM
If we go 20-20 the rest of the way, the Indians have to go 25-11 to tie us.

Look at the Tribe's schedule......:(:

TheOldRoman
08-23-2005, 10:31 PM
Please convince me we'll go 20-20 the rest of the way cause I dont see it.
Then you are a flaming imbecile. A team who has gone .615 to this point will not play .500 ball the rest of the way. This sucks. One humiliating offensive performance against a Cy Young winner means that we are done!

ja1022
08-23-2005, 10:32 PM
If we go 15-25, then the Indians must go 20-16 to tie us. :mad:

If the Sox finish 15-25, how far are the going in the playoffs anyway?

Viva Medias B's
08-23-2005, 10:32 PM
If we blow this, it would be the most heartbreaking season ever. Not even 1994 could top this! We'd never head the end of it from our enemies.

CubsfansareDRUNK
08-23-2005, 10:32 PM
I'm not giving up on the Sox yet, but this offense definitely needs to pull its head out of its ass.

and more

Frankfan4life
08-23-2005, 10:32 PM
That was a heartbreaking loss. Freddy pitched a great game but Santana was even tougher or was it just that our offense was really awful. Take your pick. This had to be the best win of the season for the Twins.

Now, I'm worried about the rest of the season. Cleveland is on a tear and our lead is down to seven. This could turn into a nightmare of a season. Please, don't get me wrong. As long as the Sox are in first place, I still have hope. I'm just so terribly disappointed right now.

34rancher
08-23-2005, 10:32 PM
How about the fact that 6 of the 14 runs in our last 7 games came in one freakin inning.
KENNY, THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE!!!

PennStater98r
08-23-2005, 10:33 PM
For as bad has the hitting has been, the pitching has been that good. Our pitching will keep us in this.

CubsfansareDRUNK
08-23-2005, 10:33 PM
If we blow this, it would be the most heartbreaking season ever. Not even 1994 could top this! We'd never head the end of it from our enemies.

even the black sox scandal couldnt top it

peeonwrigley
08-23-2005, 10:33 PM
FREDDY GAVE UP ONE TOO MANY?

What the frig are you talking about?

You can't ask for anything more from a pitcher!

8 innings pitched, 1 hit, 1 run, 1 earned run (read that over again).

This loss is on the offense without a doubt, if you can't win while the pitcher gives up one hit, you will never win.

Even if the first guy to write the post game thread gets the placement, the title of this thread is retarded.

No one is bashing Freddie.

Palehose13
08-23-2005, 10:33 PM
*sigh*

Yeah, that one hurt. Freddy pitched his ass off, but so did Johan.

The Sox defense made some great plays, but so did the Twins.

Do any of you realize how BAD the Twins offense was tonight excpet for that one swing? I just don't get it. :dunno:

chisoxmike
08-23-2005, 10:33 PM
For as bad has the hitting has been, the pitching has been that good. Our pitching will keep us in this.
How, they can't put up runs.

CHISOXFAN13
08-23-2005, 10:33 PM
Has anybody looked at Cleveland's schedule? Jeez.

3 with Toronto, 6 left with Detroit and Minnesota, 7 with KC, 6 with us, and three with Oakland...oh....and three more with the pathetic D Rays. Wow. We have our work cut out for us.

As much as I'm worried, Cleveland still has to prove they can beat the Sox. 3-10 is hardly impressive.

A split of those six games won't be enough for the Tribe.

Our remaining schedule isn't that difficult either.

HebrewHammer
08-23-2005, 10:33 PM
I'm moving to an abused fan shelter, please don't tell this team where I've gone.

Brian26
08-23-2005, 10:34 PM
If we go 20-20 the rest of the way, the Indians have to go 25-11 to tie us.

The Jnidians are playing like they're not going to lose again all year.

peeonwrigley
08-23-2005, 10:34 PM
What will it take to get CLee back from Milwaukee?

CubsfansareDRUNK
08-23-2005, 10:35 PM
hey guys, remember in the movie the martrix reloaded when all the people in zion are scared becuase they think there's gunna be a huge war? We need Kenny "morpheus" Williams to calm us down some how. Until then...****!

Jurr
08-23-2005, 10:35 PM
We will get to see Santana only one more time this year. Thank Christ.

infohawk
08-23-2005, 10:35 PM
Hate to admit it, but I kind of expected that there was a good chance the Sox would lose to Santana tonight. The only thing that makes it kind of tough is that Freddy pitched his behind off. It kind of figures that he would have a no-hitter broken up in the 8th with a solo shot to lose the game. If any other pitcher was on the hill for the Twins, the Sox probably win this game. It's easy to think that the "baseball gods" have it in for us, breaks aren't going our way, etc., but looking at it realistically, Santana is a stud and it takes an exceptional effort to have a chance at beating him. Throwing shutout to one-run ball is exceptional for Freddy, but somewhat typical for Santana, especially in the second-half of a season. Don't judge the offense based on how they did against Santana. It's hardly fair.

We just need to HANG IN THERE!!!

DMarte708
08-23-2005, 10:35 PM
Absolutely pathetic. What the hell are these guys doing?

Is Pablo Ozuna the ONLY person with a plan against Santana. GOD DAMN.

fan_since_64
08-23-2005, 10:35 PM
we need to think about how to UPGRADE the hitting for next year. Two ideas:

- dont sign any Boras clients (ie Crede)
- dont throw 40-50 mil at Konerko. only keep if he comes cheap!

we need more production from 'corners', third, first, left right. Kenny has to pick who to replace. Probably not Pods however

we can stay as we are up the middle based on defense and reasonable

Bruce Levine reports Todd walker cleared waivers... he's hitting 301

spiffie
08-23-2005, 10:35 PM
I'm not giving up on the Sox yet, but this offense definitely needs to pull its head out of its ass.
I know the numbers don't bear it out tonight, but we hit Santana quite hard. There were 3-4 plays where it took an amazing play to rob us of extra bases. That won't happen every night. And it's not like last week where no one seemed able to touch the ball. Tonight the guys got solid wood on things, and the Twins D made spectacular grabs. Yes, it sucks that they got gloves on everything, but what I saw tonight, hard to believe as it may seem, kept me on the same promising vibe I got Sunday. I think they're starting to see the ball better, and those hits will fall more often than not. They didn't tonight, which sucks because Garcia was awesome. But they will fall most nights.

I say Sox take 2 of 3 this series.

Malgar 12
08-23-2005, 10:35 PM
*sigh*

Yeah, that one hurt. Freddy pitched his ass off, but so did Johan.

The Sox defense made some great plays, but so did the Twins.

Do any of you realize how BAD the Twins offense was tonight excpet for that one swing? I just don't get it. :dunno:

Metaphysics I'm afraid.

UofCSoxFan
08-23-2005, 10:35 PM
Part of me wants to just not watch a game for the next week or look at a paper....if we are up 8 or 9 next Tues I'll be thrilled...if we are up 3...I saved myself a heart attack at the age of 21. :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:

PAPChiSox729
08-23-2005, 10:36 PM
What will it take to get CLee back from Milwaukee?

Well I hope Pods can save this offense. When is he due back?

:(:

chisoxmike
08-23-2005, 10:36 PM
The Jnidians are playing like they're not going to lose again all year.

And just imagine the confidence they are getting when every ****ing day they see the lead is shrinking.

peeonwrigley
08-23-2005, 10:36 PM
Hate to admit it, but I kind of expected that there was a good chance the Sox would lose to Santana tonight. The only thing that makes it kind of tough is that Freddy pitched his behind off. It kind of figures that he would have a no-hitter broken up in the 8th with a solo shot to lose the game. If any other pitcher was on the hill for the Twins, the Sox probably win this game. It's easy to think that the "baseball gods" have it in for us, breaks aren't going our way, etc., but looking at it realistically, Santana is a stud and it takes an exceptional effort to have a chance at beating him. Throwing shutout to one-run ball is exceptional for Freddy, but somewhat typical for Santana, especially in the second-half of a season. Don't judge the offense based on how they did against Santana. It's hardly fair.

We just need to HANG IN THERE!!!

We hit Santana hard a few times, with guys on base, too. Those effers just made ridiculous plays.

Jurr
08-23-2005, 10:36 PM
The Jnidians are playing like they're not going to lose again all year.
Don't say that...look who they've been beating lately. Not too impressed. Let's see what they do against Minnesota and the Sox.

elrod
08-23-2005, 10:36 PM
I don't worry about the Twins down the stretch. If Stewart's injury is serious then their offense is in deep trouble. But the Indians keep finding ways to win. The big comeback at KC. 3-run shot in the 8th to tie the Orioles and then win in the 10th. 3 unearned runs tonight in the 7th. They are pulling wins out of their behinds. That could turn around, of course. They were awful for awhile, got real hot, were awful again, and then got hot again.

CHISOXFAN13
08-23-2005, 10:36 PM
we need to think about how to UPGRADE the hitting for next year. Two ideas:

- dont sign any Boras clients (ie Crede)
- dont throw 40-50 mil at Konerko. only keep if he comes cheap!

we need more production from 'corners', third, first, left right. Kenny has to pick who to replace. Probably not Pods however

we can stay as we are up the middle based on defense and reasonable

Bruce Levine reports Todd walker cleared waivers... he's hitting 301

Why exactly are you talking about next year?

mr_genius
08-23-2005, 10:37 PM
even if the Sox do win the division they will get swept first round with this type of offensive display.

:hawk
"i'll take Crede over A-rod any day. Jeter over Uribe"

"Where's he gonna play?"

"Our offense is just better than Boston's, look at the numbers!"

no wonder hawk was such a failure as a GM

PAPChiSox729
08-23-2005, 10:37 PM
I say Sox take 2 of 3 this series.

I'm with you. With as bad as this offense has been, we (hopefully) won't see another Santana for the rest of the series.

Dub25
08-23-2005, 10:37 PM
Once again, it is August and when the boys see TWINS across the front of a jersey they give up. I'm sick of this crap. Grow a sack and beat them. They are not even a factor this year but yet they play like they are the greatest team ever.

FJA
08-23-2005, 10:37 PM
The leadoff hitter had a single, double and stolen base. This has nothing to do with Pods not being in the line-up.

Thank you. This offense hasn't done much other than temporary outbursts since Frank went out, not Pods, one of the reasons being, Frank made pitchers pitch differently to all sorts of other guys. Right now, I don't see a single batter in that lineup that scares pitchers enough to make them change what they are doing to other guys.

I still highly doubt the Sox will miss the playoffs. I'm not confident at all that this team is ready to do anything other than go out in three or four games in the ALDS. This team is not a fluke, but, along with balanced talent, they certainly took advantage of a nice early schedule and a little luck. They really hit their stride once they got their impact hitter (Frank) back.

We can't do much about the luck, but I for one hope Kenny is on the phone. If the Reds are still willing to talk, that price is going up every day it becomes more evident Griffey is desperately needed.

CarlosMay'sThumb
08-23-2005, 10:37 PM
Then you are a flaming imbecile. A team who has gone .615 to this point will not play .500 ball the rest of the way. This sucks. One humiliating offensive performance against a Cy Young winner means that we are done!

How about a team that has lost 8 of it's last nine and has had 1 good offensive inning in 10 days. Could they go .500 for the rest of the way?

Easily.

ElDuque26
08-23-2005, 10:37 PM
If the last nine games dont scream out that this team doesnt have the offense to make noise in the playoffs what will. This team, excluding the 6 run inning has scored 2 runs in the last 44 innings...i sure hope scotty can make the difference...i have officially thrown in the towel on crede and vote for ozuna at third...just another guy to pick up the lackluster pace of the sox right now...goodbye from a freaked out sox fan

CubsfansareDRUNK
08-23-2005, 10:38 PM
We absolutley NEED a big game from buehrle tomorrow.

THE_HOOTER
08-23-2005, 10:38 PM
Then you are a flaming imbecile. A team who has gone .615 to this point will not play .500 ball the rest of the way. This sucks. One humiliating offensive performance against a Cy Young winner means that we are done!

Instead of name calling why dont you look at our schedule the resy of the way, our record since the all-star break, and our current offensive situation.

The team who has played to the .615 clip hasnt been around for quite a while, and with Thomas gone I cannot see where you can convince me we'll go .500 the rest of the way.

Flaming moron.

chisox06
08-23-2005, 10:38 PM
****! One stinking hit and they lose the game. They leave the bats in Chicago?

They sure as hell didnt leave them in Chicago, I dont know where they are. I havent seen any bats in weeks, the equipment manager should be fired. This offense flat out sucks...how do you lose a 1 hitter? Be the Sox offense thats how. discusting..

Viva Medias B's
08-23-2005, 10:38 PM
I'm with you. With as bad as this offense has been, we (hopefully) won't see another Santana for the rest of the series.

Our hitting would make Jaime Navarro look like Johan Santana.

LostInLeftField
08-23-2005, 10:38 PM
Here is something positive, I think.

Three of the Indians first four series in September are all against wild card contenders:

3 @ Twins
3 @ Detroit
3 vs Twins
3 vs A's

While the Sox play six games versus the MLB's worst team:

4 vs Tigers
3 vs Royals
3 vs Angels
3 @ Royals

Hopefully the Sox will be able to build a larger cushion over this stretch.

anewman35
08-23-2005, 10:39 PM
FREDDY GAVE UP ONE TOO MANY?

What the frig are you talking about?

You can't ask for anything more from a pitcher!

8 innings pitched, 1 hit, 1 run, 1 earned run (read that over again).

This loss is on the offense without a doubt, if you can't win while the pitcher gives up one hit, you will never win.

Even if the first guy to write the post game thread gets the placement, the title of this thread is retarded.

I'm guessing it was, you know, a joke. Have you heard of that before? NOBODY blames this loss on Freddy.

PaleHoseGeorge
08-23-2005, 10:39 PM
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I'm truly amused how each new poster is trying to out-do the poster in front of him for how bad this situation will become. The bit where you each predict a worse and worse record for the Sox has a definite comedic effect.

Thank God for the post-game thread. It's where everyone vents their spleen, leaving the rest of the board relatively tidy.

Well done, everyone. Keep it all right here.
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SluggersAway
08-23-2005, 10:39 PM
No one is bashing Freddie.

The title implies that it was Freddie's fault. The title is bashing Freddie since even if Freddie didn't give up "one too many" we still would not have won.

We still would have had to score a run. One run. So yes, to say that it is Freddie's fault is wrong, and is bashing Freddie.

Jurr
08-23-2005, 10:39 PM
Buehrle and Garland both need to show what they're made of in the next two days. The offense can pull themselves out of this funk against Mays and Silva, and a couple of 3-1 wins would be fine with me. If either of our stud pitchers has any aspirations of winning a Cy Young, this is the time to show it. There will be no Shannon Stewart, and that will hurt this lineup. Keep the ball away from Mauer and Morneau, and we'll be fine. The Sox MUST win these next two for no other reason than a morale boost.

Heffalump
08-23-2005, 10:40 PM
Wow, this one hurt. Not even a pair of XXXL panties could help the offense against Johan tonight.

I don't mean to be a dark cloud, but I am getting kinda worried. Yes, the lead is still 7.5 games, but look how fast it has been cut to that! Still tons of baseball to be played against the Twinkies and the Injuns.

This team needs a spark very soon. Hopefully, Pods will come back at full force VERY SOON.

FloridaSox
08-23-2005, 10:40 PM
The putrid offense had to eventually catch up us...12th in BA, 12th in BA, 10th in runs scored, 8th in SLG...the law of reversion to mean is teaching us a terrible lesson.

Malgar 12
08-23-2005, 10:40 PM
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I'm truly amused how each new poster is trying to out-do the poster in front of him for how bad this situation will become. The bit where you each predict a worse and worse record for the Sox has a definite comedic effect.

Thank God for the post-game thread. It's where everyone vents their spleen, leaving the rest of the board relatively tidy.

Well done, everyone. Keep it all right here.
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Well Captain Positive, what's your read?

CubKilla
08-23-2005, 10:40 PM
Where are all the tools with their :threadsucks and their:chickenlittle icon laden posts?

anewman35
08-23-2005, 10:41 PM
How about the fact that 6 of the 14 runs in our last 7 games came in one freakin inning.
KENNY, THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE!!!

Last I checked, Kenny wasn't the one who wasn't hitting. Not that I'm saying that we couldn't use another bat, but this is not Kenny's fault.

Uncle_Patrick
08-23-2005, 10:41 PM
I say Sox take 2 of 3 this series.

I hope you're right, and I'm not saying that in "I've given up faith, prove me wrong way." As tough as its been this last week or two, I still believe in this ****ing team. I know that this team is capable of beating the Twins and taking this division. The pitching and defense have been pretty good during this tough stretch. I know the offense is capable of being better. Come on Sox, prove me right!

Jurr
08-23-2005, 10:41 PM
The title implies that it was Freddie's fault. The title is bashing Freddie since even if Freddie didn't give up "one too many" we still would not have won.

We still would have had to score a run. One run. So yes, to say that it is Freddie's fault is wrong, and is bashing Freddie.
Dude..it's not bashing Freddy. The guy was awesome tonight. They're making fun of the offense, saying that Garcia had to be freakin' perfect to win this game. Chill.

Malgar 12
08-23-2005, 10:41 PM
Here is something positive, I think.

Three of the Indians first four series in September are all against wild card contenders:

3 @ Twins
3 @ Detroit
3 vs Twins
3 vs A's

While the Sox play six games versus the MLB's worst team:

4 vs Tigers
3 vs Royals
3 vs Angels
3 @ Royals

Hopefully the Sox will be able to build a larger cushion over this stretch.


Sorry but the Tiggers have never been and never will be a WC contender.

Dub25
08-23-2005, 10:41 PM
How come no matter who is on the Sox roster you can always predict the outcome? Everyone here knew they were going to lose to Santana. They face this guy alost everytime they play the Twins but yet it seems they give up before the game even started. He is a 2 pitch pitcher. Come on!

elrod
08-23-2005, 10:41 PM
It looks like the entire Twins regular outfield will be out tomorrow. Jones is attending a family funeral and won't play tomorrow or Thursday. Hunter is out for the year. And I doubt Stewart will play again this series. So it will be Ford in CF, Ryan in LF and I have no idea in RF.

Brian26
08-23-2005, 10:42 PM
I am flat out scared.

I seriously have a huge knot in my stomach. This is the sickest feeling in the world. I honestly feel ill right now.

mr_genius
08-23-2005, 10:42 PM
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don't mind if i do.

Another thing, our infield D has also sucked lately. ***!

ok, i think i'm done.

pauleywalnuts38
08-23-2005, 10:42 PM
This is seriously starting to get disgusting. At this rate, my TV has about 2 games until it gets thrown through the wall.

Kenny, think maybe its time to get a bat????????

3 hits and OZUNA had 2 of them......enough said.

FarWestChicago
08-23-2005, 10:43 PM
I seriously have a huge knot in my stomach. This is the sickest feeling in the world. I honestly feel ill right now.Get a grip. How would you feel if you found out a loved one had a fatal disease? :rolleyes:

Palehose13
08-23-2005, 10:43 PM
Where are all the tools with their :threadsucks and their:chickenlittle icon laden posts?

:prozac:chickenlittle

veeter
08-23-2005, 10:43 PM
Griffey would have been 0 for 4 with 4 k's tonite. Santana is great. I really feel like this team is about to take off. The energy in the dug out was great. They hit line drives all over the field. The Twins were fortunate tonite.

PAPChiSox729
08-23-2005, 10:43 PM
Our hitting would make Jaime Navarro look like Johan Santana.

If only we could face Randy Johnson everyday.
:redneck

PaleHoseGeorge
08-23-2005, 10:43 PM
Well Captain Positive, what's your read?

I would say Prozac for you.

:prozac:

If that fails, a bullet pushed through the base of your skull ought to do the trick. Holding the pistol in your mouth seems to work best.

Just trying to be helpful.
:cool:

peeonwrigley
08-23-2005, 10:43 PM
The title implies that it was Freddie's fault. The title is bashing Freddie since even if Freddie didn't give up "one too many" we still would not have won.

We still would have had to score a run. One run. So yes, to say that it is Freddie's fault is wrong, and is bashing Freddie.

Ugh, can someone put the freakin' title in teal for this guy.

Viva Medias B's
08-23-2005, 10:43 PM
Sorry but the Tiggers have never been and never will be a WC contender.

He did say three of four, Malgar.

ndgt10
08-23-2005, 10:44 PM
Indians remaining schedule and very generous expectations:

4-1 vs. Drays
2-1 vs. Jays
5-1 vs. tigers
4-2 vs. twins
1-2 vs. A's
6-1 vs. royals
4-2 vs. Whitesox

That comes out to a 26-10 record, which means that we would have to go 21-19 for a tie.

cheeses_h_rice
08-23-2005, 10:44 PM
Let's just pitch in and buy Aaron a set of golf irons and let him play the sport he so obviously wishes he was playing, every ****ing time he comes to the plate. I think the word has gotten out that this White Sox team swings at low garbage with vim, vigor, and incredible consistency. A bunch of 10 cent brains stacking our offense right now.

A criminal loss and a huge letdown for Freddy G. personally. I am officially on the "Boy, we might blow this lead, we really might" train, given how absolutely DEAD our offense looks.

This is sickening.

JRIG
08-23-2005, 10:44 PM
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I'm truly amused how each new poster is trying to out-do the poster in front of him for how bad this situation will become. The bit where you each predict a worse and worse record for the Sox has a definite comedic effect.

Thank God for the post-game thread. It's where everyone vents their spleen, leaving the rest of the board relatively tidy.

Well done, everyone. Keep it all right here.
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Hey, PHG! What will the Tigers record have to be in order to take the division from us if we go 3-37 the rest of the way?

SluggersAway
08-23-2005, 10:44 PM
If it was a joke, no one is laughing.

And it isn't even factual since minus one is still tied 0-0.

We'd be in the 12th right now waiting for Adkins (if you are a pessimist)/ Viz(if you are an optimist) to save the day, and then anyone of our hitters to connect.

Lip Man 1
08-23-2005, 10:44 PM
They are in a stretch where they are seeing nothing but very good pitchers (with the exception of Chacon) night after night after night. That's part of the reason why the schedule was called brutal by more then one person.

The slate will start to ease up some next week however it's up to the players themselves to snap out of it. They may be so deep in a funk right now that it doesn't matter who is pitching against them.

Awful way for Garcia to lose. I feel bad for him, that may have been the game of his life and nothing to show for it.

Like PHG said I think last week, winning and losing is contageous. Right now the hitters seem tight, tired and out of synch.

I don't think anyone is that concerned over the lead being seven games. That's great for August 23rd however momentum is definately headed south and that is genuine cause for worry.

Lip

UofCSoxFan
08-23-2005, 10:45 PM
What irks me the most is the freaking lackluster attitude held by some of the fans on this board, hawk and dj, and seemingly THE PLAYERS that this team has already clinched a playoff spot. 75 wins won't even win the NL WEST. 90 WINS WON'T WIN THE CENTRAL...

Fing A.

CHISOXFAN13
08-23-2005, 10:45 PM
Sorry but the Tiggers have never been and never will be a WC contender.

He said three of the four series are against WC contenders, not all four.

THE_HOOTER
08-23-2005, 10:45 PM
I seriously have a huge knot in my stomach. This is the sickest feeling in the world. I honestly feel ill right now.

It truly is amazing we've gone from one extreme to the other.

Before we couldnt close a game or get a good start when we needed it in big games, now we get just phenominal pitching and cannot muster up any O.

Whatever happens, happens.

Nothing you can do but watch.

SOXfnNlansing
08-23-2005, 10:46 PM
I'm glad pablo's error didn't cost us the game.......... tough break tonight..... we'll get 'em tomorrow

Frankfan4life
08-23-2005, 10:46 PM
Once again, it is August and when the boys see TWINS across the front of a jersey they give up. I'm sick of this crap. Grow a sack and beat them. They are not even a factor this year but yet they play like they are the greatest team ever.Right now, the Twins fans feel they have something to gloat about. But even with four straight wins over the Sox, they are still in third place and will be in third place when the Sox leave, no matter what they do. They may as well keep their sights on the wild card.

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08-23-2005, 10:46 PM
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peeonwrigley
08-23-2005, 10:46 PM
Let's just pitch in and buy Aaron a set of golf irons and let him play the sport he so obviously wishes he was playing, every ****ing time he comes to the plate. I think the word has gotten out that this White Sox team swings at low garbage with vim, vigor, and incredible consistency. A bunch of 10 cent brains stacking our offense right now.


Agreed

CarlosMay'sThumb
08-23-2005, 10:46 PM
Last I checked, Kenny wasn't the one who wasn't hitting. Not that I'm saying that we couldn't use another bat, but this is not Kenny's fault.

Well obviously no GM hits for his team, but it's unbelievable that KW has had an entire season to watch this team and come up with Geoff Blum. The offensive deficiencies were evident before the season started. The stands have been full for the last few months and Kenny has done absolutely nothing.

Without some offensive help, the Sox come in second or third place.

Palehose13
08-23-2005, 10:47 PM
If it was a joke, no one is laughing.

And it isn't even factual since minus one is still tied 0-0.

We'd be in the 12th right now waiting for Adkins (if you are a pessimist)/ Viz(if you are an optimist) to save the day, and then anyone of our hitters to connect.

Oh my goodness...it was a ****ing joke! I am thinking that sarcasm is a foreign word to you.

SluggersAway
08-23-2005, 10:47 PM
Ugh, can someone put the freakin' title in teal for this guy.

Teal = sarcasm

0-0 is not sarcastic or ironic.

santo=dorf
08-23-2005, 10:47 PM
Well obviously no GM hits for his team, but it's unbelievable that KW has had an entire season to watch this team and come up with Geoff Blum. The offensive deficiencies were evident before the season started. The stands have been full for the last few months and Kenny has done absolutely nothing.

Without some offensive help, the Sox come in second or third place.

WWJDD? (Jim Duquette)


:whiner:

pczarapa
08-23-2005, 10:47 PM
If only we could face Randy Johnson everyday.
:redneck

Randy really wasn't that bad, he shut us down every inning but one

popilius
08-23-2005, 10:48 PM
oh please God help us

:gulp: :gulp: :gulp: :gulp: :gulp:

chisoxmike
08-23-2005, 10:48 PM
Let's just pitch in and buy Aaron a set of golf irons and let him play the sport he so obviously wishes he was playing, every ****ing time he comes to the plate. I think the word has gotten out that this White Sox team swings at low garbage with vim, vigor, and incredible consistency. A bunch of 10 cent brains stacking our offense right now.

A criminal loss and a huge letdown for Freddy G. personally. I am officially on the "Boy, we might blow this lead, we really might" train, given how absolutely DEAD our offense looks.

This is sickening.

Exactly. These guys are looking at good pitches and meatballs(like your sig) and are swinging at *****y pitches or fouling good ones off.

They are going up there hacking at everything. I'm actaully afraid of facing Joe "Cy" Mays tomorrow.

mr_genius
08-23-2005, 10:48 PM
I am officially on the "Boy, we might blow this lead, we really might" train, given how absolutely DEAD our offense looks.




I've been on board for about 5 days.

anyone who thinks the sox have the division easily in hand is obviously wrong. no denying that...

LostInLeftField
08-23-2005, 10:48 PM
The problem with the offense is guys are no longer moving runners over with the same success rate as earlier in the season.

How many times has the lead off hitter been stranded on the basepaths during this offensive lull?

peeonwrigley
08-23-2005, 10:48 PM
When was AJ's last hit? Give me Widger against lefties.

fan_since_64
08-23-2005, 10:49 PM
its my way of practicing anger management...

Letmehearya
08-23-2005, 10:49 PM
The lead is actually 7. Folks, I've said it throughout this miserable month, Kenny Williams isn't to blame. Jerry Reinsdorf is! Do you think KW objected to Omar Visquel's additional year on the contract? Heck no. Did JR? You bet. Do you really think KW cared one way or the other if the Sox ate all of Griffey's contract at the trade deadline? I doubt it. This team - since Frank and Pods' injuries - isn't that good folks. Shake this team up. Send Crede and Adkins down and bring up Gload and Norton. Finally, for those of you counting the days until we play KC, they beat us 2 out of 3 the last time we played them. I too will be surprised if this team corrects itself in time to win the division. What a field day for the cubune. :angry: :angry:

santo=dorf
08-23-2005, 10:49 PM
When was AJ's last hit? Give me Widger against lefties.
Nevermind the game he caught today......:?:

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08-23-2005, 10:50 PM
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THE_HOOTER
08-23-2005, 10:50 PM
Exactly. These guys are looking at good pitches and meatballs(like your sig) and are swinging at *****y pitches or fouling good ones off.

They are going up there hacking at everything. I'm actaully afraid of facing Joe "Cy" Mays tomorrow.


I noticed that as well--esp in the 9th.

look at the good ones, swing at the crap.

That shouldnt continue

Vernam
08-23-2005, 10:50 PM
As much as I'm worried, Cleveland still has to prove they can beat the Sox. 3-10 is hardly impressive.

A split of those six games won't be enough for the Tribe.

Our remaining schedule isn't that difficult either.
Thank you! C'mon, people, get a grip. Yes, they're not hitting for squat. Yes, Cleveland's schedule is soft. Yes, at this rate we'd be lucky to play .500 ball the rest of the way. But it was Johan Santana out there tonight in top form. If they get stoned tomorrow by Joe Mays, we'll have plenty of time to panic. We could still basically stroll into the post-season by splitting our games with Cleveland.

It ain't supposed to be easy, and the Sox are busy proving that daily now. :(:Even some new lefty hitter were to drop out of the sky -- and one isn't -- he'd have to be superhuman to prevent the sort of monumental collapse so many people are suddenly SURE is now going to happen. Mind you, I'm not saying I'm sure it won't, because that would be almost as silly. They've been playing mostly awful, partly unlucky ball for only about 10 days (less, if we could count the Boston rainout, which we can't) out of a long season. It's concerning, aggravating, whatever you want to call it. But it doesn't cancel out all that came before.

Maybe we'll stagger across the finish line with a pitching staff that no one in baseball can touch. I could live with that.

VC

Dub25
08-23-2005, 10:50 PM
Right now, the Twins fans feel they have something to gloat about. But even with four straight wins over the Sox, they are still in third place and will be in third place when the Sox leave, no matter what they do. They may as well keep their sights on the wild card.

I know but someone tell this to the Sox.

Jurr
08-23-2005, 10:50 PM
Boy, what a cigarette will do for one's perspective.......and I'm not much of a smoker.

Look...our offense is in a terrible funk right now. However, we've been going against some pretty good pitching. Mussina and Chacon have been red hot lately, Radke and Santana have been tough, and that's what it is. The losses to the Red Sox were pitching related. The Sox have officially run into a buzzsaw part of the schedule, and it's hurt. There has just been no let up from the schedule for two weeks, and it's rocked the boat a little. NY...Boston....Minnesota....NY.....Minnesota....
That's a tough row to hoe, especially considering Santana's been a beast lately.

Now, we have our two best guys coming up the next two days. The Sox need to get a little lead on them and put 'em away with some great pitching. Buehrle and Garland need some good outings. Seattle and Texas are next on the agenda, and we can win versus these guys. The offense has been in the gutter lately, but they'll pull out of it. It's easy to start looking at that lead in the division and know that it's looking like doomsday. Take a step back.

I would be worrying if the lead was getting chipped away slowly and steadily. It hasn't. This is showing that a team is super hot right now while another team is ice cold. That's going to level off. The Sox will get that good vibe again soon, and it'll be fine. The boys are giving a 100% effort, but the results aren't there. They haven't given up, and they'll come around.

Let the season play out, and this team will be seen in the playoffs. Everything is cool. Santana has hit his Cy Young groove again, and we were beat. The Sox will come out and win tomorrow..that's my feeling.

infohawk
08-23-2005, 10:51 PM
That was a heartbreaking loss. Freddy pitched a great game but Santana was even tougher or was it just that our offense was really awful.

Cleveland is on a tear and our lead is down to seven.

You've got to credit Santana. I noticed that, while Freddy only gave up one hit, he only struck out three batters. It seems to me it's kind of unusual to have a no-hitter going into the eighth inning while having struck out only three batters. It suggests that there was a certain amount of luck involved in balls not dropping in or randomly finding holes, etc. I would submit that a pitcher giving up only three hits and no runs while striking out seven and going eight innings has had a pretty dominating performance.

As far as Cleveland is concerned, it's going to tighten and there may very well be much more of a race in September. We've got to deal with it. That said, we will get Pods back and we are still about 9 games up in the loss column. The Sox should be able to control their own destiny in September, as they will enter the month with a smaller, but still decent lead. The only advantage to having a huge lead is to serve as a cushion in the event you slide a bit. Thank goodness for the lead. If we were close to tied when we started struggling, we'd probably be out of the race entirely. I will only panic if the Sox continue to struggle after getting Pods back.

pudge
08-23-2005, 10:51 PM
I really don't like the title of this thread, "Freddy gave up one too many hits"

Is that cuz if he didn't allow a hit, we would have won with no runs?



LOL, that was awesome - thanks for a good laugh on an otherwise sickening evening.

Malgar 12
08-23-2005, 10:51 PM
Almost funny... and a total pass on the question... if the "dark Clouds" are so irrational...please...make your case.

It should be simple enough

peeonwrigley
08-23-2005, 10:51 PM
The lead is actually 7. Folks, I've said it throughout this miserable month, Kenny Williams isn't to blame. Jerry Reinsdorf is! Do you think KW objected to Omar Visquel's additional year on the contract? Heck no. Did JR? You bet. Do you really think KW cared one way or the other if the Sox ate all of Griffey's contract at the trade deadline? I doubt it. This team - since Frank and Pods' injuries - isn't that good folks.

:moron

"I see you've met my son."

THE_HOOTER
08-23-2005, 10:52 PM
Don't worry. We're just hanging back watching the action at the Monkey Island exhibit. It's a lot safer viewing the creatures from this side of the moat.

:gulp:

I agree with most of your views on many issues, but isnt there anything bothering you about how putrid the offense looked?

I understand it does no good getting angry, but this is just awful to watch.

Palehose13
08-23-2005, 10:52 PM
Boy, what a cigarette will do for one's perspective.......and I'm not much of a smoker.

Look...our offense is in a terrible funk right now. However, we've been going against some pretty good pitching. Mussina and Chacon have been red hot lately, Radke and Santana have been tough, and that's what it is. The losses to the Red Sox were pitching related. The Sox have officially run into a buzzsaw part of the schedule, and it's hurt. There has just been no let up from the schedule for two weeks, and it's rocked the boat a little. NY...Boston....Minnesota....NY.....Minnesota....
That's a tough row to hoe, especially considering Santana's been a beast lately.

Now, we have our two best guys coming up the next two days. The Sox need to get a little lead on them and put 'em away with some great pitching. Buehrle and Garland need some good outings. Seattle and Texas are next on the agenda, and we can win versus these guys. The offense has been in the gutter lately, but they'll pull out of it. It's easy to start looking at that lead in the division and know that it's looking like doomsday. Take a step back.

I would be worrying if the lead was getting chipped away slowly and steadily. It hasn't. This is showing that a team is super hot right now while another team is ice cold. That's going to level off. The Sox will get that good vibe again soon, and it'll be fine. The boys are giving a 100% effort, but the results aren't there. They haven't given up, and they'll come around.

Let the season play out, and this team will be seen in the playoffs. Everything is cool. Santana has hit his Cy Young groove again, and we were beat. The Sox will come out and win tomorrow..that's my feeling.

Common sense is not allowed in this thread. Want a vacation? :wink:

mr_genius
08-23-2005, 10:52 PM
Almost funny... and a total pass on the question... if the "dark Clouds" are so irrational...please...make your case.

It should be simple enough

ding ding

NSSoxFan
08-23-2005, 10:52 PM
Don't worry. We're just hanging back watching the action at the Monkey Island exhibit. It's a lot safer viewing the creatures from this side of the moat.

:gulp:

You mind if I join you over there? Who else is there? FWC? Daver? I've never been more creeped out/tickled pink in my life until I read the contents of this thread. Mercy!

Viva Medias B's
08-23-2005, 10:53 PM
Don't worry. We're just hanging back watching the action at the Monkey Island exhibit. It's a lot safer viewing the creatures from this side of the moat.

:gulp:

Go ahead and make fun of us all you want. Shall I point out that we were right in 2001? We were right in 2002. We were right in 2003. And we were right in 2004. I could also say the dark clouds/chicken littles were right in 2000 when they expressed concern that the Sox would blow that AL Central lead or go three and out if they reached 2000 ALDS.

PAPChiSox729
08-23-2005, 10:53 PM
Randy really wasn't that bad, he shut us down every inning but one

Still, if he pitched like that everyday, with our pitching, we would win a lot of games. Unfortunately, that isn't going to happen. We will win tommorrow. I am going to bed. Sheesh.

chisox06
08-23-2005, 10:54 PM
They are in a stretch where they are seeing nothing but very good pitchers (with the exception of Chacon) night after night after night. That's part of the reason why the schedule was called brutal by more then one person.

Hmm wonder what kind of pitchers we'll see in the playoffs (if we make it)? Would that be considered brutal as well?

Palehose13
08-23-2005, 10:54 PM
Go ahead and make fun of us all you want. Shall I point out that we were right in 2001? We were right in 2002. We were right in 2003. And we were right in 2004. I could also say the dark clouds/chicken littles were right in 2000 when they expressed concern that the Sox would blow that AL Central lead or go three and out if they reached 2000 ALDS.

So are you secretly happy with this little skid because you may be right? That's pretty messed up.

CubsfansareDRUNK
08-23-2005, 10:54 PM
i miss frank :whiner::whiner::whiner:

infohawk
08-23-2005, 10:54 PM
*sigh*
Do any of you realize how BAD the Twins offense was tonight excpet for that one swing? I just don't get it. :dunno:

I submitted a post on this very topic. Perhaps we'll find out over the next several games against the Twins if I was right. Twins Offense (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=56459)

mr_genius
08-23-2005, 10:54 PM
Ok, I'm over this pathetic loss now...

I do remember looking at the schedule a couple months ago and thinking "august is gonna suck" and unfortunately it has. Season isn't over, we still have a seven game lead and things get easier in Sept.

billyvsox
08-23-2005, 10:55 PM
Clearly the worst lost of the year (maybe the last 20 years).

When Lew Ford makes a circus catch you know the Karma is gone.

When Jacques Jones hits a curve off his shoes..you know Karma is gone.

We cannot beat the twins post all star break ever!!! (Regardless of what you hear it is clearly in the Sox heads - and the Twins' as well).

I will be suprised if we hang on and make playoffs...our season always dies the the twinkee dome.

Tommorrow is by far the most important game of the year to win. A loss tommorrow proves all the above points.

Forget Griffey, etc... someone needs to rip sox hitters for swinging for the fences and not going opposite field (especially off Sanatana / Nathan).

What would Piniella do, what would Cox do, what would LaRussa do, what would Belichek / Parcells / Lombardi do etc etc etc.

We all know the answer and Ozzie needs to do it.

ps..I am devastated

pauleywalnuts38
08-23-2005, 10:55 PM
The lead is actually 7. Folks, I've said it throughout this miserable month, Kenny Williams isn't to blame. Jerry Reinsdorf is! Do you think KW objected to Omar Visquel's additional year on the contract? Heck no. Did JR? You bet. Do you really think KW cared one way or the other if the Sox ate all of Griffey's contract at the trade deadline? I doubt it. This team - since Frank and Pods' injuries - isn't that good folks. Shake this team up. Send Crede and Adkins down and bring up Gload and Norton. Finally, for those of you counting the days until we play KC, they beat us 2 out of 3 the last time we played them. I too will be surprised if this team corrects itself in time to win the division. What a field day for the cubune. :angry: :angry:


NORTON???
I hope that was a joke.

Mammoo
08-23-2005, 10:55 PM
Very disconcerting...:(:

PAPChiSox729
08-23-2005, 10:55 PM
i miss frank :whiner::whiner::whiner:

A lot of us do.

greenpeach
08-23-2005, 10:55 PM
Well obviously no GM hits for his team, but it's unbelievable that KW has had an entire season to watch this team and come up with Geoff Blum. The offensive deficiencies were evident before the season started. The stands have been full for the last few months and Kenny has done absolutely nothing.

Without some offensive help, the Sox come in second or third place.

At least there are a few sane among us. Geez, you didn't have to be a baseball GM to realize that this team needed left-handed hitting. With Thomas out for the year, KW needed to pull the trigger & part with some of our better prospects in order to beef up a rather punch-less lineup. I'm tired of this building for the future crap some preach. We've been building for the future since 1917 for Christ sakes.

This team will never get a better opportunity then this year to make a run for it all & instead we get conservative & play it safe. BMac better be the second coming of Walter Johnson.

delben91
08-23-2005, 10:55 PM
Lip and Jurr:

Thanks for lending the voices of reason here. My first post in the thread was just utter disbelief that we could lose a one-hitter. But getting past that for a second, from the sounds of it, it wasn't a night of weak pop-ups or lazy fly balls.

Seems there were a fair share of hard hit balls, absurdly amazing Twins defensive plays, and a decent amount of Cy Young caliber pitching from Santana.

Both Buehrle and Garland are due for wins, and the offense seems to be starting to show signs of life. With our pitching, if the Sox can get even 3 or 4 batters to be hitting "average" (read: not hitting like crap) then they'll start winning again, and the momentum will come with it.

Am I concerned that the lead shrunk so rapidly? Yeah, but that's human nature. Do I think the Sox will continue playing .111 ball for the next 5 weeks. Not on your life.

I'm off to bed to sleep it all off, as I think we could all benefit from doing. Tomorrow is indeed a new day, so let's gear up boys.

Go Sox.

Jurr
08-23-2005, 10:56 PM
Common sense is not allowed in this thread. Want a vacation? :wink:
No kidding. What was I thinking??? Man, after collecting myself, I feel a lot better. I wasn't going to go out and have a good time tonight. Taking that step back and realizing that the Sox are fine helped out a bunch.

I SUGGEST YOU ALL DO THE SAME.:supernana: :supernana: The naners will help.

JohnBasedowYoda
08-23-2005, 10:56 PM
http://www.timandmary.com/jack/mary-in-fear.jpg

TheOldRoman
08-23-2005, 10:56 PM
Boy, what a cigarette will do for one's perspective.......and I'm not much of a smoker.

Look...our offense is in a terrible funk right now. However, we've been going against some pretty good pitching. Mussina and Chacon have been red hot lately, Radke and Santana have been tough, and that's what it is. The losses to the Red Sox were pitching related. The Sox have officially run into a buzzsaw part of the schedule, and it's hurt. There has just been no let up from the schedule for two weeks, and it's rocked the boat a little. NY...Boston....Minnesota....NY.....Minnesota....
That's a tough row to hoe, especially considering Santana's been a beast lately.

Now, we have our two best guys coming up the next two days. The Sox need to get a little lead on them and put 'em away with some great pitching. Buehrle and Garland need some good outings. Seattle and Texas are next on the agenda, and we can win versus these guys. The offense has been in the gutter lately, but they'll pull out of it. It's easy to start looking at that lead in the division and know that it's looking like doomsday. Take a step back.

I would be worrying if the lead was getting chipped away slowly and steadily. It hasn't. This is showing that a team is super hot right now while another team is ice cold. That's going to level off. The Sox will get that good vibe again soon, and it'll be fine. The boys are giving a 100% effort, but the results aren't there. They haven't given up, and they'll come around.

Let the season play out, and this team will be seen in the playoffs. Everything is cool. Santana has hit his Cy Young groove again, and we were beat. The Sox will come out and win tomorrow..that's my feeling.
Great post, but Im not the one you need to convince. CarlosMay'sThumb and The_Hooter are standing on the ledge of a building right now, talking about how we will win 8 more games this season and next year we will lose 100. Logic has no use for them. One streak means we are done. To hell with this season. I wish I was part of a fanbase that embraced losing!

Viva Medias B's
08-23-2005, 10:56 PM
So are you secretly happy with this little skid because you may be right?

Of course not. What are you thinking?

PaleHoseGeorge
08-23-2005, 10:56 PM
I agree with most of your views on many issues, but isnt there anything bothering you about how putrid the offense looked?

I understand it does no good getting angry, but this is just awful to watch.

I'm on the record saying this team needed another bat going back weeks before the all-star game. In fact most people posting here at that time were still fretting about the need for another starting pitcher.

I have also been making sarcastic jokes since Opening Day about "pitching and defense" wins championships, poking fun of those who can't fathom the relative value of hitting vs. glovework.

I don't feel good about watching the Sox lose -- ever. But I'm not surprised to see a mediocre offense go into a tailspin when banged up by injuries.

Palehose13
08-23-2005, 10:56 PM
What would Piniella do, what would Cox do, what would LaRussa do, what would Belichek / Parcells / Lombardi do etc etc etc.

We all know the answer and Ozzie needs to do it.

ps..I am devastated

:dunno: What should be done?

CubsfansareDRUNK
08-23-2005, 10:56 PM
A lot of us do.

PAP, you're like the only guy on this board who quotes me
thanks!
:gulp:

SluggersAway
08-23-2005, 10:56 PM
we would have won with no runs.

LOL, that was awesome - thanks for a good laugh on an otherwise sickening evening.

My point exactly. Glad I could play the martyr.

SouthSide_HitMen
08-23-2005, 10:57 PM
So are you secretly happy with this little skid because you may be right? That's pretty messed up.

Hear me now and believe me later - the :dtroll: will be out in full force after nights like this.

Yes we were shot down by Santana - but he is one of the best pitchers in the game. Garcia pitched his best game of the year, our defense looked great and we will score runs and win the next two games if we pitch and field like we did tonight.

Go White Sox!!!

Cellview22
08-23-2005, 10:57 PM
I'm more sick and nervous now than I've been in a LONG time.
I'm on the verge of a serious panic attack! :whiner:

All the Sox have to worry about is themselves...don't worry about Cleveland or Minny, just get a W and keep winning. Start another freakin' winning streak.. tomorrow. PLEASE!

FarWestChicago
08-23-2005, 10:57 PM
Go ahead and make fun of us all you want. Shall I point out that we were right in 2001? We were right in 2002. We were right in 2003. And we were right in 2004. I could also say the dark clouds/chicken littles were right in 2000 when they expressed concern that the Sox would blow that AL Central lead or go three and out if they reached 2000 ALDS.Oh shut up you ****ing piss pants. Out of all the Dark Clouds you are the most annoying because you are the biggest ****ing wussy I have ever seen. One more word out of you and it will be the last.

fan_since_64
08-23-2005, 10:57 PM
Gload hitting 360 at Charlotte. Hit 321 last year for Sox. Why isn't this guy up?!?!!?

As for Vizquel, he's hitting 280 (40 pts better than Uribe) with a 990 fielding %, also better than Uribe.

Bruce Levine reports Todd Walker (bats left) cleared waivers... He's hitting 301...

infohawk
08-23-2005, 10:57 PM
And just imagine the confidence they are getting when every ****ing day they see the lead is shrinking.

It could also place a lot of pressure on them and they are a young team without veterans. They may start to press. Regardless, I expect the Sox to win the division with solid play in September. I'm not going to sit back and hope the Indians lose.

Heffalump
08-23-2005, 10:57 PM
With our recent troubles and division lead shrinking to seven games, it seems the Dark Clouds are picking up steam (they may have right to!)

For all those members that are presently not concerned, at what point will you begin to worry about our ability to keep it together?

Malgar 12
08-23-2005, 10:58 PM
So are you secretly happy with this little skid because you may be right? That's pretty messed up.

Maybe he's just trying to say that with history on his side...a negative thought after streak like this doesn't make him a prozac laden troll.

mr_genius
08-23-2005, 10:58 PM
http://www.timandmary.com/jack/mary-in-fear.jpg


hahahaha!

Vernam
08-23-2005, 10:58 PM
Go ahead and make fun of us all you want. Shall I point out that we were right in 2001? We were right in 2002. We were right in 2003. And we were right in 2004. I could also say the dark clouds/chicken littles were right in 2000 when they expressed concern that the Sox would blow that AL Central lead or go three and out if they reached 2000 ALDS.Yeah, but it's like being a Dow Jones analyst who, even in bull markets, keeps claiming stock prices will implode. Eventually, you're bound to be right. :redneck You'll also be right more times than not, in the case of sports teams. And right 99.99 percent of the time regarding Chicago baseball teams. So I don't mind betting on the come, because it's way more fun.

VC

FarWestChicago
08-23-2005, 10:58 PM
So are you secretly happy with this little skid because you may be right? That's pretty messed up.You are absolutely correct. That is Viva and several of his cohorts in a nutshell. :rolleyes:

Dub25
08-23-2005, 10:59 PM
NOW

PaleHoseGeorge
08-23-2005, 10:59 PM
Go ahead and make fun of us all you want. Shall I point out that we were right in 2001? We were right in 2002. We were right in 2003. And we were right in 2004. .

Wow big gambler aren't you, Viva? Betting against a team that hasn't won jack since 1917?

:roflmao:

Jerko
08-23-2005, 10:59 PM
Don't forget, Cleveland and Minnesota will knock each other off a few times, and I'm sure the Tigers will beat the Tribe a few times. We have a bunch of division games left and we CAN beat ALL of those teams. We have to take care of our OWN business. Sure the hitting sucks right now, and no, I don't like the lead shrinking, but in reality, the Sox have the 2nd biggest divisional lead in baseball. I don't see the Padres, Braves, Red Sox, or Angels conceding and their leads are all smaller than ours.

Letmehearya
08-23-2005, 10:59 PM
Peeonwrigley: I didn't realize this site was for Reinsdorf apologists. To JR, money comes before winning. It always has and always will. The sooner you learn that as a Sox fan, the sooner you'll understand the plight of Sox fans.

Palehose13
08-23-2005, 10:59 PM
Of course not. What are you thinking?

That you(meaning dark clouds/chicken littles) are taking pleasure in being right about the White Sox collapses in the past and their current skid.

If it makes you sleep better at night freaking out right now just because you'll be able to say to me "I told you so", then so be it. The Sox are in first place. They still are a good team. They are in a funk. It happens to every team. thankfully it happened when they had a large lead.

I still believe in this team, and you won't change my mind. :tongue:

infohawk
08-23-2005, 11:00 PM
We hit Santana hard a few times, with guys on base, too. Those effers just made ridiculous plays.

It's good to hear that. I couldn't watch the game down here in central Illinois because it was on WCIU. Were they working the count better? Usually you see things like that just before a team busts out of an offensive slump. Not many teams are going to beat Randy Johnson and Johann Santana back-to-back.

chisoxmike
08-23-2005, 11:00 PM
I'm not going to sit back and hope the Indians lose.

Right, all the Sox need to do is win. Thats it. If they win, all the Indians can do is stand pat or even better lose ground with a loss.

At this point I dont care anymore, "smart-ball," "Ozzie-ball," "Long ball" who cares, just win baby!

Malgar 12
08-23-2005, 11:00 PM
That you(meaning dark clouds/chicken littles) are taking pleasure in being right about the White Sox collapses in the past and their current skid.

If it makes you sleep better at night freaking out right now just because you'll be able to say to me "I told you so", then so be it. The Sox are in first place. They still are a good team. They are in a funk. It happens to every team. thankfully it happened when they had a large lead.

I still believe in this team, and you won't change my mind. :tongue:

Believing and being worried are not mutally exclusive.

THE_HOOTER
08-23-2005, 11:01 PM
Great post, but Im not the one you need to convince. CarlosMay'sThumb and The_Hooter are standing on the ledge of a building right now, talking about how we will win 8 more games this season and next year we will lose 100. Logic has no use for them. One streak means we are done. To hell with this season. I wish I was part of a fanbase that embraced losing!


I am not standing on aledge, and I am not thinking they will 8 games---I didnt say that.

I said I have a hard to believing we will finish 20-20 with our current situation.

I hope I am wrong, but we haven't played good baseball in quite some time. This seems to happen quite a bit at the end of the year.

billyvsox
08-23-2005, 11:01 PM
Chisox Mike is right as well, how can we see Sanatana 5 times a year and never touch him. Bueherle used to own the Twins until they saw him so much they figured out how to get to him.

The answer is pretty obvious. (first pitch fastball strike, all other pitches are high fastballs or low change ups, period.) He lives off guys who swing for homers and struggles against teams that lay off the change and go the other way.

I saw a stat late in the game (88 pitches, 67 strikes, 21 balls) I'll bet no more then 20 of those strikes were in the strike zone

Bruck35
08-23-2005, 11:01 PM
Boy, what a cigarette will do for one's perspective.......and I'm not much of a smoker.

Look...our offense is in a terrible funk right now. However, we've been going against some pretty good pitching. Mussina and Chacon have been red hot lately, Radke and Santana have been tough, and that's what it is. The losses to the Red Sox were pitching related. The Sox have officially run into a buzzsaw part of the schedule, and it's hurt. There has just been no let up from the schedule for two weeks, and it's rocked the boat a little. NY...Boston....Minnesota....NY.....Minnesota....
That's a tough row to hoe, especially considering Santana's been a beast lately..."

Great post, I agree 100%. They've seen great pitching (NY, Twins) and a great offensive squad (Boston) a ton over the past month (as well as adjusting to injuries to key players), and that's bound to take a toll on any team.

Cleveland and Minny have been EXTREMELY hot, and the Sox have been EXTREMELY cold...and they still have a 7 game lead! Streaks like this won't last another month.

I'm confident they'll ride it out and end up on top of the division by a healthy margin by the time the season ends. Maybe I've had a few too many :gulp:, or maybe we all should recognize that Mussina, Santana, Radke, Johnson, etc. will dominate a lot of teams...and that you've just got to ride it out and not jump ship...ESPECIALLY WITH A 7 GAME LEAD.

Brian26
08-23-2005, 11:01 PM
Clearly the worst lost of the year (maybe the last 20 years).

I was going to say Britt Burns & Tito Landrum sort of have dibs on the worst loss in the past 20 years...but then I realized that happened 22 years ago.

As far as memorable losses, yeah...this is going to be right up at the top. I guess that Mike Stanton game in '85 comes to mind....and Lee Stevens in 1990...and Giambi/Foulke 2001....and the Loaiza flu loss to Minnesota in 2003.

CarlosMay'sThumb
08-23-2005, 11:02 PM
WWJDD? (Jim Duquette)


:whiner:

Still think that the Twins will finish 30 games behind the Sox?
http://http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/member.php?u=2164

infohawk
08-23-2005, 11:02 PM
even if the Sox do win the division they will get swept first round with this type of offensive display.

Trends don't last forever. If they did, the Sox wouldn't have slumped.

ChiSoxRowand
08-23-2005, 11:02 PM
What he said

JUribe1989
08-23-2005, 11:02 PM
NOW
what he said. Teams this good don't go on streaks as bad as this.

SluggersAway
08-23-2005, 11:02 PM
Oh shut up you ****ing piss pants. Out of all the Dark Clouds you are the most annoying because you are the biggest ****ing wussy I have ever seen. One more word out of you and it will be the last.

To clarify, I'm an optimist.

But, really, having history on your side really doesn't warrant such abuse.

NSSoxFan
08-23-2005, 11:02 PM
When there is 1 game left and we are 2 or more out.

Palehose13
08-23-2005, 11:03 PM
Believing and being worried are not mutally exclusive.

I would think that one does not have much faith if they are worried.

Letmehearya
08-23-2005, 11:03 PM
I got worried when I learned Frank was done for the year and all we got at the trade deadline was Geoff Blum? I got sick to my stomach when KC beat us 2 out of 3. The time to worry has come and gone for some time now.

Huisj
08-23-2005, 11:04 PM
I started worrying last Tuesday after the extra inning loss to Minnesota. That was the game where it started to dawn on me that this team has no heart and thus no offense when it counts (which lately means no offense at all). What the heck happened to fiery energetic team of April and May?

:angry:
I'd post the little blue crying guy, but I've heard there's no crying in baseball, so I'll just have to be fuming mad instead.

CubsfansareDRUNK
08-23-2005, 11:04 PM
NOW
yea, hit the nail on the head

samram
08-23-2005, 11:04 PM
Still think that the Twins will finish 30 games behind the Sox?
http://http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/member.php?u=2164

Man, this fall is going to suck for you when the Sox "hold on" to win the division by six games and you have to watch them in the playoffs.

Argalarga
08-23-2005, 11:04 PM
The worst part of the game was knowing as soon as Jones homered that it was over. I can't imagine what Freddy Garcia is thinking right now.

We just have to get them tomorrow. I certainly don't think the season is riding on these next two games, but winning tomorrow and Thursday will set us up nicely for a weaker stretch of teams. From here on in, it's all about building momentum to the last games with the Indians.

RMSoxFan
08-23-2005, 11:04 PM
I think we will probably still win the division; however, I'm not merely content with winning the division. And as far as our playoff hopes are concerned, I am definitely worried. I think we still have plenty of time to get some momentum for the playoffs, but I don't see it happening. The attitude on the team lately, and the complete inability to hit, are quite disturbing.

BainesHOF
08-23-2005, 11:05 PM
If I was Garcia I would be major-league pissed at the team. Just a pathetic offensive performance.

I'm tired of reading posts about what Cleveland has to finish IF we play .500. Teams that blow big leads do not play .500. For Cleveland to catch us we have to choke it away and that's what we've been doing for the past 10 days.

Please don't blame Kenny Williams for the slide. Of course we could use Griffey or another hitter. But he gave us a team that built a big lead. It's up to the players not to choke at this point. It's not Kenny's fault the team couldn't score 2 lousy runs tonight.

Ozzie has to wake up and start bunting runners over a lot more. I didn't like the trend I saw in this area even before we started our slide. Letting Joe Crede swing away in a close game with the leadoff runner on first base is ridiculous. I'd even start having Iguchi sacrifice bunt as he's not moving runners along nearly as well as he used to.

It's time to go back to the fundamentals on offense to dig ourselves out of this hole.

PaleHoseGeorge
08-23-2005, 11:05 PM
With our recent troubles and division lead shrinking to seven games, it seems the Dark Clouds are picking up steam (they may have right to!)

For all those members that are presently not concerned, at what point will you begin to worry about our ability to keep it together?

Ah, ah, ah. Only one thread for venting your frustration over a Sox loss. Take it to the postgame thread. Or else.