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HotelWhiteSox
08-22-2005, 01:04 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/col/story/339091p-289614c.html

I think posting a whole article is taboo, but this is one of those things where the article mentions news about all the teams, so I'll just take out the Sox part (will edit it out if still a problem)




Forfeit flap looms for Yanks



Can't wait for George Steinbrenner's reaction to this: The White Sox have voted unanimously to forfeit last Sunday's rained-out game with the Red Sox rather than play a makeup game on Labor Day, meaning it is possible the AL East could be decided by a free victory for Boston.



League sources, however, say they expect Bud Selig to force the teams to play the game after the regular season if it has any bearing on the playoffs, although that might not be an attractive option for either team since it would throw their playoff preparations into chaos.



The issue arose because both the White Sox and Red Sox would be playing on more than 20 consecutive days, which they would have to do if the game is played on Sept. 5. Under terms of the Collective Bargaining Agreement, teams do not have to play on more than 20 straight days. The White Sox, who've all but secured the AL Central, are relucant to give up their day off and fly to Boston in the middle of a home stand.



Entering the weekend, the Yankees were four games behind the Red Sox. The division title - and perhaps a playoff spot - could come down to the final three games of the season, when the two clubs meet at Fenway.

Last year, the Yankees were involved in another forfeit flap, when the Devil Rays missed their flight to New York in September due to Hurricane Frances. Though the Yankees made a stink, there was no forfeit and the game was played later that week.

This can be viewed in different angles. I always supported the 'wait til the end of the season and play it if it will mean something only' and at that point, just send the callups anyways, since it will only mean something for Boston, not messing up our playoff preparations as the article suggests. People here don't take too kindly to losses, but it would blow to have to go to Boston between two home games (another situation of sending the call ups), interesting dilemma. I won't comment any more to not take anything away from the discussion.

I apologize if this has been posted before, did a quick look/search and found nothing.

PeteWard
08-22-2005, 01:24 AM
The real dilemma for the Sox would be if home field advantage throughout the playoffs is on the line. And they wait until the end of the season. Assume that Sox and Boston are tied for the lead. So Sox have to fly to Boston and then back to Chicago to face the third or 4th seed.

No fun.

IowaSox1971
08-22-2005, 01:38 AM
Why would this be a forfeit? According to the collective bargaining pact, aren't the White Sox players within their rights to refuse to play the game on that particular day? There is no way that a forfeit should result from this.

The logical conclusion to this is to only make up the game if it means anything at the end of the season.

TornLabrum
08-22-2005, 07:16 AM
Why would this be a forfeit? According to the collective bargaining pact, aren't the White Sox players within their rights to refuse to play the game on that particular day? There is no way that a forfeit should result from this.

The logical conclusion to this is to only make up the game if it means anything at the end of the season.

Correct. Playing would be in violation of the collective bargaining agreement. Therefore, the only available date would be October 3. It has always been the custom to play games that cannot be made up at any other time at the end of the season only if it has a direct bearing on the pennant race/playoff positioning. I'm not sure if home field advantage would have any effect on whether the game is made up or not.

skottyj242
08-22-2005, 09:16 AM
Since when is the New York Daily News a credible source? I'm calling a big fat two done on this one.

bennyw41
08-22-2005, 09:20 AM
Can't they call up a bunch of guys on the 40-man, and play a game of minor leaguers?

Jerko
08-22-2005, 09:24 AM
Can't they call up a bunch of guys on the 40-man, and play a game of minor leaguers?

That would ruin the integrity of the game.

bennyw41
08-22-2005, 09:49 AM
I know you were being sarastic, as in the integrity of the game has been questionably marred for a while, but I think Forfeiting a game would do more damage than my idea.

peeonwrigley
08-22-2005, 10:43 AM
If the game does not affect us, then there's no way our guys should take a trip to Boston.

Send 15 guys up there, the ones that are not on the 25 man playoff roster.

DenverSock
08-22-2005, 10:54 AM
The most famous example would be the 1932 (Oh MY God) Cubs who didn't make up a game at risk of forfeiting the lead, but never the less went on to win due to Player-Manager Gabby Harnetts' "Homert in the Gloamin." Make it up if and only if it matters.

By the way, the Yanks spanked the Cubs in four including the Babe's famous called shot

MisterB
08-22-2005, 11:10 AM
If the game does not affect us, then there's no way our guys should take a trip to Boston.

Send 15 guys up there, the ones that are not on the 25 man playoff roster.

Interesting idea. If we only send 15, I'd propose this:

Harris 2B
Ozuna SS
Gload 1B
Rogowski DH
Anderson CF
Borchard RF
Blum 3B
Widger C
Perez LF

Bench: Pedro Lopez (just in case of injury)

McCarthy SP
Tracey L/MR
Munoz RP
Diaz RP
Bajenaru CL

Soxzilla
08-22-2005, 11:43 AM
Boston should have to forfeit, they were getting spanked that game. Either that or they should come here.

It isn't the White Sox fault their city, AND their weather suck.

Go to hell, Boston.



.......OH WAIT, YOU'RE ALREADY IT!:angry: This should only be half-teal.

getonbckthr
08-22-2005, 12:01 PM
Interesting idea. If we only send 15, I'd propose this:

Harris 2B
Ozuna SS
Gload 1B
Rogowski DH
Anderson CF
Borchard RF
Blum 3B
Widger C
Perez LF

Bench: Pedro Lopez (just in case of injury)

McCarthy SP
Tracey L/MR
Munoz RP
Diaz RP
Bajenaru CL

we cant expose timo like that he's key to the playoff run!!

slavko
08-22-2005, 12:08 PM
The most famous example would be the 1932 (Oh MY God) Cubs who didn't make up a game at risk of forfeiting the lead, but never the less went on to win due to Player-Manager Gabby Harnetts' "Homert in the Gloamin." Make it up if and only if it matters.

By the way, the Yanks spanked the Cubs in four including the Babe's famous called shot
The homer in the gloamin was in 1938. You probably think the Choke of 1969 was in 1972, Mr. Cub Historian. Stick to the Sox.

mrwag
08-22-2005, 12:50 PM
The real dilemma for the Sox would be if home field advantage throughout the playoffs is on the line.

No fun.

Do the Sox really want home field advantage, given the way they've played this year at home?

SpringfldFan
08-22-2005, 12:59 PM
I'm not sure if home field advantage would have any effect on whether the game is made up or not.

I would bet it would not have an effect simply because if both teams played a full 162 and would up tied for best record, they wouldn't play an extra game just for that. There must be another tie-breaker for that case. Also, I think it would only be an issue for Chicago and Boston anyway. Since they would have 161 games, their record would automatically be different then any of the teams that played 162.

SFF

SoxinAZ
08-22-2005, 01:09 PM
I would bet it would not have an effect simply because if both teams played a full 162 and would up tied for best record, they wouldn't play an extra game just for that. There must be another tie-breaker for that case. Also, I think it would only be an issue for Chicago and Boston anyway. Since they would have 161 games, their record would automatically be different then any of the teams that played 162.

SFF

It would then go to head-to-head games which we would loose.

VenturaSoxFan23
08-22-2005, 01:09 PM
Um, division titles and pennants have long been decided because one team played a game or two more because of rain-outs. Stuff happens. If you played so well, you shouldn't need that "extra" game.

1908 was a perfect example. (I know the rules have changed since then.) Cleveland's season ended because they couldn't play their games lost by rain-outs. Detroit and the Sox went down to the last game. Detroit won the game and the pennant by a 1/2 over the Indians, 1 game over the Sox.

ChiSoxRowand
08-22-2005, 02:32 PM
I say play it on Labor day. Send a bunch of minor leaguers. I don't want to have to play the game after the season ends, even if we start the ALDS Wednesday October 5.

Kogs35
08-22-2005, 02:37 PM
I say play it on Labor day. Send a bunch of minor leaguers. I don't want to have to play the game after the season ends, even if we start the ALDS Wednesday October 5.

just send the 25man roster from aaa charlotte when ever its played

TornLabrum
08-22-2005, 04:00 PM
Um, division titles and pennants have long been decided because one team played a game or two more because of rain-outs. Stuff happens. If you played so well, you shouldn't need that "extra" game.

1908 was a perfect example. (I know the rules have changed since then.) Cleveland's season ended because they couldn't play their games lost by rain-outs. Detroit and the Sox went down to the last game. Detroit won the game and the pennant by a 1/2 over the Indians, 1 game over the Sox.

In 1908 travel was a lot more difficult. Several years after that (don't pin me down on what year) the leagues decided that if a rained out game could affect the first place team, then the game would be made up.

CallMeNuts
08-22-2005, 04:30 PM
Interesting idea. If we only send 15, I'd propose this:

Harris 2B
Ozuna SS
Gload 1B
Rogowski DH
Anderson CF
Borchard RF
Blum 3B
Widger C
Perez LF

Bench: Pedro Lopez (just in case of injury)

McCarthy SP
Tracey L/MR
Munoz RP
Diaz RP
Bajenaru CL

Since you've given this so much thought, they will probably send you along to manage the game. :wink:

SOecks
08-22-2005, 04:32 PM
Harry T on MJH was just talking about this a minute ago and the way he was talking he HAD to have read this thread. They're "trying to confirm" this report right now...

Foulke You
08-22-2005, 07:58 PM
Do the Sox really want home field advantage, given the way they've played this year at home?
Yes, we do want home field. The Red Sox are superhuman at Fenway Park. They are a .500 club away from home. IF we meet up in the ALCS. I'll take my chances with our guys in a sold out Comiskey Park over playing a possible 4 at Fenway.

DenverSock
08-23-2005, 10:42 AM
The homer in the gloamin was in 1938. You probably think the Choke of 1969 was in 1972, Mr. Cub Historian. Stick to the Sox.
No I don't, although you're quite correct, I misplaced the year. The point of my post was that it can be an advantage to not make up a game. Whether or not it was the Cubs or any other team is irrelevant. While I accept the correction on '38 or '32 ther was no reason for your cheap swipe. And, in any case the Yanks swept the Cubs in four both times.

skottyj242
08-23-2005, 10:47 AM
Since when is the New York Daily News a credible source? I'm calling a big fat two done on this one.

Yes, I am quoting myself here, I just read in the Red Eye that KW said travel plans are already made and there's no way they're throwing this game away.

DumpJerry
08-23-2005, 11:32 AM
Yes, I am quoting myself here, I just read in the Red Eye that KW said travel plans are already made and there's no way they're throwing this game away.
Buehrle, the Sox Team Rep., says no such vote was ever taken. In addition, it is the Red Sox who can call off the game because they will be in excess of games 20 days in a row. We will hit 20 with the make-up (21 games because of the make-up DH in Texas on 8-29).

I don't think the Red Sox will want to not play a game given how close the Yanks can get in Sept.

viagracat
08-23-2005, 11:37 AM
I think I heard the game will be played Sept 5. One of the hangups was the 20-consecutive-day rule the union has in place. But the forfeit thing has apparently been disproved. :gulp:

Brian26
08-23-2005, 11:56 AM
Yes, I am quoting myself here, I just read in the Red Eye that KW said travel plans are already made and there's no way they're throwing this game away.

Good to hear!

ewokpelts
08-23-2005, 02:17 PM
best part of the makeup date is that we may get a national tv game....9/5 is labor day.

Gene

SABRSox
08-23-2005, 06:35 PM
FWIW, Gary Miller brought this up on a local sports show out here in LA. He was talking about how Selig would probably make the teams play before the end of the season, rather then waiting to see if the game has any bearing on standings/playoffs. I think there was some truth to the story at one time, but now it doesn't make much sense to just throw a game away.

As for Boston, the last thing they want to do is play this game. They would have loved a free victory...