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pinwheels3530
08-05-2005, 08:40 AM
Does anyone have a idea on how the Calton Fisk statue will look on Sunday?

Baby Fisk
08-05-2005, 09:05 AM
It will look perfect. :thumbsup:

thecell
08-05-2005, 09:24 AM
I think it supposed to look like Carlton Fisk. I may be wrong though. :redneck

eriqjaffe
08-05-2005, 09:50 AM
Yeah, he'll be in a Red Sox uniform.

LongLiveFisk
08-05-2005, 10:25 AM
Does anyone have a idea on how the Calton Fisk statue will look on Sunday?

It will look great but it would look better on the concourse behind home plate than LEFT FIELD. (We all know how much Pudge loved left field). :wink:

mike squires
08-05-2005, 11:06 AM
I think it would be cool if Pudge was in his catchers gear, holding his mask with the black stuff under his eyes. And it will look cool...until next year a Cub fan fomes and rips the head off.:angry:

LuvSox
08-05-2005, 11:09 AM
It will look great but it would look better on the concourse behind home plate than LEFT FIELD. (We all know how much Pudge loved left field). :wink:

Hawk should escort him out to LF.

skobabe8
08-05-2005, 11:58 AM
I think it would be cool if Pudge was in his catchers gear, holding his mask with the black stuff under his eyes. And it will look cool...until next year a Cub fan fomes and rips the head off.:angry:

Thats how I see it too. I dont mind it in left field. Theres obviously going to be more statues along the outfield concourse. I think it would be weird to have Fisks all the way behind home plate away from the rest.

PatK
08-05-2005, 12:12 PM
It's a re-creation of him when he chewed out Neon Deion for not running out a pop fly.

jehosaphat
08-05-2005, 12:36 PM
Yeah, he'll be in a Red Sox uniform.

I realize that you were joking (ha, ha). But seiously, doesn't most of baseball think of Fisk as a Boston player with his defining moment being the HR in the '75 series. I liked Fisk with the White Sox and I appreciated what he did for the franchise, but is a player who made his name with another team "statue worthy?" Note, this is only a question.

LuvSox
08-05-2005, 01:24 PM
I realize that you were joking (ha, ha). But seiously, doesn't most of baseball think of Fisk as a Boston player with his defining moment being the HR in the '75 series. I liked Fisk with the White Sox and I appreciated what he did for the franchise, but is a player who made his name with another team "statue worthy?" Note, this is only a question.

:bart

soxrme
08-05-2005, 03:36 PM
I realize that you were joking (ha, ha). But seiously, doesn't most of baseball think of Fisk as a Boston player with his defining moment being the HR in the '75 series. I liked Fisk with the White Sox and I appreciated what he did for the franchise, but is a player who made his name with another team "statue worthy?" Note, this is only a question.

No put it in Fenway.:gulp:

mike squires
08-05-2005, 03:37 PM
It's a re-creation of him when he chewed out Neon Deion for not running out a pop fly.

Now that is classic. I wish they would have come t blows. Frank would have showed him a thing or two. That story right there is the best.

wood28
08-05-2005, 03:50 PM
Has anyone heard if Sunday is a sellout/near sellout? Being Fisk day and Kids day would like to take my two boys out to see the Commander.

Unregistered
08-05-2005, 04:04 PM
Yeah, maybe it'll be Fisk at the Hall of Fame podium putting on his Red Sox cap... :redface:

twinsuck1
08-05-2005, 04:05 PM
I think it supposed to look like Carlton Fisk. I may be wrong though. :redneck

LMAO!!!!:redneck

PaleHoseGeorge
08-05-2005, 04:09 PM
I don't know how it will look, but I'm sure if something happens to it somebody from the Flubs will claim it was a Sox Fan who poured Round Up over it and somebody else from the Cubune will publish the allegation as fact and never print a retraction when the story is proven false... or for that matter admit it was a matter of blatant vandalism that a bronze statue was destroyed, not "accidently broken" like Minnie Minoso's was reported earlier this summer during a Cubs/Sox game.

You can take those predictions to the bank.

:knue
"Dan McGrath says he tries to be as fair as possible and I for one believe him!"

:cubune

pinwheels3530
08-07-2005, 03:01 AM
I hope he's sculpted in the Winning Ugly uniform with his catchers mask on.

bobwsx
08-07-2005, 06:05 AM
I realize that you were joking (ha, ha). But seiously, doesn't most of baseball think of Fisk as a Boston player with his defining moment being the HR in the '75 series. I liked Fisk with the White Sox and I appreciated what he did for the franchise, but is a player who made his name with another team "statue worthy?" Note, this is only a question. I agree 110%.He wanted nothing to do with this city or the team.So what do we do we build him a statue...:kukoo:I'll be suprised if he even shows up..

seventytwo
08-07-2005, 08:57 AM
I agree 110%.He wanted nothing to do with this city or the team.So what do we do we build him a statue...:kukoo:I'll be suprised if he even shows up..

Yeah, why was he so mad? I mean, the organization treated him so well on the way out the door....

PaleHoseGeorge
08-07-2005, 09:15 AM
Yeah, why was he so mad? I mean, the organization treated him so well on the way out the door....

Sure the Sox aren't clean, but you're nuts if you think Fisk is. There is plenty of evidence proving Fisk is a whiny bitch, including his embarrassing HOF induction speech calling out his dad.

He's a fan favorite so his number is retired and the team is putting up a statue to further honor him, too. Will Fisk stop whining? I wouldn't bet on it.

Just ask his dad.
:(:

seventytwo
08-07-2005, 09:37 AM
Sure the Sox aren't clean, but you're nuts if you think Fisk is. There is plenty of evidence proving Fisk is a whiny bitch, including his embarrassing HOF induction speech calling out his dad.

He's a fan favorite so his number is retired and the team is putting up a statue to further honor him, too. Will Fisk stop whining? I wouldn't bet on it.

Just ask his dad.
:(:

I know Fisk is what we call a red-azz. He's not a very friendly guy, so what? I remember him for what he did on the field. He busted his hump for this franchise for 12 1/2 years---I hope this statue is another step in the reconciliation of Fisk and the org----neither of whom acted properly in his departure.

hose
08-07-2005, 09:58 AM
Sox win #72 on 72's day:bandance::bandance:

ewokpelts
08-07-2005, 10:47 AM
I agree 110%.He wanted nothing to do with this city or the team.So what do we do we build him a statue...:kukoo:I'll be suprised if he even shows up..
ok...then why does he still live in lockport then?

pinwheels3530
08-07-2005, 10:50 AM
I will be at the game today, so I will take some pictures of the statue and post them in the gallery.

Baby Fisk
08-07-2005, 12:00 PM
Sure the Sox aren't clean, but you're nuts if you think Fisk is. There is plenty of evidence proving Fisk is a whiny bitch, including his embarrassing HOF induction speech calling out his dad.

He's a fan favorite so his number is retired and the team is putting up a statue to further honor him, too. Will Fisk stop whining? I wouldn't bet on it.

Just ask his dad.
:(:
That's harsh, man. No one is a saint. The paucity of well-known White Sox legends is sad. Fisk IS a Sox player who is well known and he deserves all the accolades the organization can offer. Why does Fisk need to be trashed here of all places?

DrummerGeorgefan
08-07-2005, 12:38 PM
I would hope that they captured the signature Fisk pose. Basically, its him standing with his hands on the hips, mask on top of the helmet, eye black and the 1000 yard stare....that epitomizes Fisk for me

TornLabrum
08-07-2005, 12:50 PM
I would hope that they captured the signature Fisk pose. Basically, its him standing with his hands on the hips, mask on top of the helmet, eye black and the 1000 yard stare....that epitomizes Fisk for me

I can see him like that right now!

santo=dorf
08-07-2005, 01:21 PM
I would hope that they captured the signature Fisk pose. Basically, its him standing with his hands on the hips, mask on top of the helmet, eye black and the 1000 yard stare....that epitomizes Fisk for me
That was my first thought too. Something along the lines of....

http://www.redsoxart.com/images/Miller-Havens/Rhubarb.jpg

LongLiveFisk
08-07-2005, 01:31 PM
That was my first thought too. Something along the lines of....

http://www.redsoxart.com/images/Miller-Havens/Rhubarb.jpg

Yes...a shot in his catching gear is mandatory. If it's one of him holding a bat I will be a little disappointed. (In light of what happened to the bat on Minoso's statue, however, I'm sure they thought better of this idea!)

santo=dorf
08-07-2005, 01:52 PM
(In light of what happened to the bat on Minoso's statue, however, I'm sure they thought better of this idea!)

Flash forward to the 06/25/2006 edition of the Chicago Tribune:

Catcher's Mask Ripped off, "Cubs Rule" Spray Painted on Chest Protector; appears to be accidental.

PaleHoseGeorge
08-07-2005, 02:27 PM
That's harsh, man. No one is a saint. The paucity of well-known White Sox legends is sad. Fisk IS a Sox player who is well known and he deserves all the accolades the organization can offer. Why does Fisk need to be trashed here of all places?

I never said Fisk didn't deserve the respect or the accolades.
:?:

I simply noted that ripping the Sox organization over how Fisk left isn't being honest (or fair) to the White Sox -- and I cited a very damning example to prove my point.

Fisk has a chip on his shoulder, and it isn't very pretty -- especially when he makes himself into an ass during his HOF induction speech. I'm not making this stuff up. It happened.

Twelve years later, if Fisk blames the Sox for all his misery and lingering hard attitude, we need to stop and consider the source. He's not credible. Just ask his dad.

flo-B-flo
08-07-2005, 02:54 PM
All that PHG has written is true. And it reminds me of all the acrimony following the departures of a lot of guys back then. Fisk, BlackJack, even Ozzie all left and blasted Riensy. I'm glad they are apparently forgiving and forgetting. It's good to see. Fisk had a great career with the REAL Sox. He deserves a statue. Preferably with the two yankers sprwaled at his feet. That's one of the greatest plays I've ever seen.:D:

Steelrod
08-07-2005, 03:12 PM
I know Fisk is what we call a red-azz. He's not a very friendly guy, so what? I remember him for what he did on the field. He busted his hump for this franchise for 12 1/2 years---I hope this statue is another step in the reconciliation of Fisk and the org----neither of whom acted properly in his departure.
If I remember correctly, the Sox honored him at the last home game before he was released. I assume retirement was discussed prior as the day honoring him was scheduled in advance. It would have given him a perfect time to exit gracefully.
. His last two season's were a disaster. So maybe 10 1/2 years would be more accurate. Check the stats.
If the Sox surprised him so greatly by releasing him in his twilight, why didn't anyone pick him up? Because everyone but him knew he was finished!

LuvSox
08-07-2005, 05:19 PM
Kids, stop fighting! :smile:

Anyone see the staute today? What's it look like?

CLR01
08-07-2005, 05:22 PM
Kids, stop fighting! :smile:

Anyone see the staute today? What's it look like?


Pretty much like the picture posted aboce.

Revolutn
08-07-2005, 05:43 PM
Sheeesh,

I didn't realize there was so much latent hostility towards ol 72.

I loved Fisk and he remains one of my favorite players of yester-year.

I think it's great that they have memorialized his time with the team with a statue.

I didn't even like it when they started calling Rodriguez 'Pudge', but what are ya gonna do, not like it was an exclusive trademarked nickname for Fisk, not to mention (though I could be wrong) I don't think that Fisk was the first player to be so nicknamed himself.

As to any character defects he may or may not have in someone's personal view of things, we're all dysfunctional in our own ways, so he doesn't get along with his father, big whoop, sad perhaps, but can you honestly say that either yourself or someone you know doesn't have a strained relationship with one parent or the other? The Brady Bunch and Leave it to Beaver weren't reality TV ya know. Life happens.


ANYway, Fisk rocks, and just because I'm a WS fan doesn't mean I can't appreciate his 75 homah, excellently memorialized in Good Will Hunting by the way, as much as his on the field excellence in Chicago.

Thanks for the memories Carlton Fisk 72!

SouthSiiiiiide

Rev

BigEdWalsh
08-07-2005, 05:44 PM
I think the statue is very cool. I love what Fisk said, (something like...) "I wanted to play forever. Now I'll be standing here forever."

:cool:

TomBradley72
08-07-2005, 06:32 PM
Fisk has a chip on his shoulder, and it isn't very pretty -- especially when he makes himself into an ass during his HOF induction speech. I'm not making this stuff up. It happened.

I don't understand your point....I just read the whole transcript of his speech...made himself into an ass? The one who's an ass is anyone who would rip a 24 year career based on a misrepresentation of a speech.

Here's the link the entire speech:

http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/hof_weekend/2000/speeches/fisk_carlton.htm

Specifically here's the passage on his Dad....looks like his Dad pushed him pretty hard....but I read "respect" through the whole section.
And the guy who contributed the most to me being stubborn, and me being determined, my dad Cecil. He always said, "Keep your eye on the ball. Cripes, if you can't run around there for an hour or two shouldn't even have been out there." Well, Dad, I was out there for 30 years. You know, sometimes good didn't seem to be good enough, but I always wanted you to be proud of me, Dad. And sometimes just because you could have done better, doesn't mean you've done badly. You know, through the years you always made sure that people knew that I was your son and I'm proud of that. But this weekend, guess what? You're Carlton's dad, this weekend. And you did that in one weekend too. I went from being Cecil's boy and you went to being Carlton's dad.

Trav
08-07-2005, 06:53 PM
Tom, you beat me to it. I just read the entire speech and it was pretty classy. It is a good read to anyone semi-interested.

PaleHoseGeorge
08-07-2005, 07:30 PM
You guys are nuts.

I'm far from being the first one to point out Fisk looking bad during his HOF speech. It was widely covered the days after he gave it. Practically any newspaper account from 2000 that bothered to quote Fisk for more than 1-2 sentences covered this angle.
:o:

Sorry but words have meaning, folks. Fisk didn't need to say any of this if he meant *strictly* to honor his father. You don't need to be a sportswriter to understand this fact, though apparently the meaning escapes some of you.

You know, sometimes good didn't seem to be good enough, but I always wanted you to be proud of me, Dad. And sometimes just because you could have done better, doesn't mean you've done badly.

Nothing like a rhetorical "but" sandwich to drive home the point, too...

You know, through the years you always made sure that people knew that I was your son and I'm proud of that.

And now he's bigger than dad...

But this weekend, guess what? You're Carlton's dad, this weekend. And you did that in one weekend too. I went from being Cecil's boy and you went to being Carlton's dad.

Sorry I'm such a heretic for pointing this out.

Unregistered
08-07-2005, 07:32 PM
...in other news, here's what the actual statue looks like:
http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/apphoto/CXS11408072243.jpeg

Trav
08-07-2005, 07:43 PM
Nice looking statue.

I must be pretty ignorant to think that his speech did nothing but thank his dad for being hard on him and to thank the man that gave him his drive.

I suggest everyone who wants an opinion of their own on the matter read the whole speech. Nothing struck me as negative.

C-Dawg
08-07-2005, 07:48 PM
Anyway..... Yes the statue looked awesome. It IS in the Winning Ugly-era-uniform, for whoever asked about that. I had a great view of the ceremony from the last seat in the 1st row of the fan deck (in other words, overlooking the whole ceremony) and got some great shots which I will post to the gallery also. His speech was nice, very "feel-good", so if there's any hard feelings remaining, he kept them hidden. Cool group photos of Fisk posing with Ozzie, Kittle, McDowell, Greg Walker, Ken Williams, Baines, etc.

PaleHoseGeorge
08-07-2005, 07:49 PM
Nice looking statue.

I must be pretty ignorant to think that his speech did nothing but thank his dad for being hard on him and to thank the man that gave him his drive.

I suggest everyone who wants an opinion of their own on the matter read the whole speech. Nothing struck me as negative.

I recommend reading it, too. There is plenty inside Carlton's remarks to at least partially absolve the Chicago White Sox for the decades-long blood feud that would otherwise smear the organization by those who simply can't fathom that Carlton Fisk is a very difficult person to get along with.

:o:

That was my whole point from the time I mentioned it, if you would bother to read the damned thread you're now whining about.

bobwsx
08-07-2005, 07:50 PM
ok...then why does he still live in lockport then?WRONG!!!!!!I live in Lockport...He moved about two years ago...Back to the east coast where he belongs!!!!:bandance:

Brian26
08-07-2005, 08:30 PM
WRONG!!!!!!I live in Lockport...He moved about two years ago...Back to the east coast where he belongs!!!!:bandance:

Is that true? I heard he moved to New Lenox.

32nd&Wallace
08-07-2005, 08:45 PM
WRONG!!!!!!I live in Lockport...He moved about two years ago...Back to the east coast where he belongs!!!!:bandance:That is 100% not true..I can second that he moved to New Lenox..He took a job with the BoSox a few years back, but still lives full-time in the South Suburbs

TomBradley72
08-07-2005, 08:50 PM
I recommend reading it, too. There is plenty inside Carlton's remarks to at least partially absolve the Chicago White Sox for the decades-long blood feud that would otherwise smear the organization by those who simply can't fathom that Carlton Fisk is a very difficult person to get along with.

:o:

That was my whole point from the time I mentioned it, if you would bother to read the damned thread you're now whining about.

No whining here. Just a strong disagreement on his speech. I don't care what the media said after the speech...if I relied on the media for my opinions...I'd be a Cubs fan.

I have my own opinion..and I recognize he could be a huge pain the ass...like many greats in any field. I read every word of the speech very carefully....I think you are very wrong. Looks like Carlton and his Dad butted heads...so what? Pretty typical when two grown men are close.

Revolutn
08-07-2005, 08:56 PM
Wow, thanks a ton for the link to Fisk's induction speech, I never had the opportunity to read it before, it was a fantastic read.


SouthSiiiiide

Rev

P.S. Even more to the point, thanks for the posted pic on page 3 of the thread, getting back on track n all, it's a nice looking piece, can't wait to see it, will on Sept 21st if not before then, as that's my next 'officially' schedule trip to Comiskey, but ah, might have to squeeze a game or more in before then. :D:

LongLiveFisk
08-07-2005, 09:07 PM
Specifically here's the passage on his Dad....looks like his Dad pushed him pretty hard....but I read "respect" through the whole section.


That's kind of what I got out of it too. Kind of like the drill sargeant you might have in the military that pushes you hard and sometimes maybe even pisses you off but later on in life you come to appreciate what it is he did for you, and particularly in a father/son case I don't think this is all that unusual. Tough love?

Having said this, I do realize that 1) some may not agree with the forum he chose to convey these feelings or his phrasing of his feelings; and 2) given my handle I am likely to be biased in his favor so I'll just stop here. :D:

LongLiveFisk
08-07-2005, 09:08 PM
Sox win #72 on 72's day:bandance::bandance:

It must have been destiny! :bandance:

Lip Man 1
08-07-2005, 09:28 PM
I didn't know that you could 'color' bronze. From what it looked like on TV the 'uniform' top had a red and blue trim tint like on the real uniforms.

Lip

bobwsx
08-07-2005, 09:29 PM
That is 100% not true..I can second that he moved to New Lenox..He took a job with the BoSox a few years back, but still lives full-time in the South SuburbsYou guys are right...Sorry i knew he left Lockport but,I thought he went east.:redface: http://www.dailysouthtown.com/southtown/dssports/pro/241sd2.htm
Content to tend to his flower garden and four grandchildren at his New Lenox and Florida homes, Fisk is reluctant to make the time commitment a return to the majors requires.

LuvSox
08-07-2005, 09:49 PM
That is 100% not true..I can second that he moved to New Lenox..He took a job with the BoSox a few years back, but still lives full-time in the South Suburbs

He lives in the same subdivision as my cousin, from what I hear. Never been invited there.........:(:

SOX ADDICT '73
08-07-2005, 10:01 PM
Sox win #72 on 72's day:bandance::bandance:
He also hit 72 homers after the age of forty, and was the '72 Rookie of the Year. Spooky...

Daver
08-07-2005, 10:07 PM
Is that true? I heard he moved to New Lenox.

He was leasing John Bay's house in Homer Township, when the lease ran out Carlton's house in New Lenox was finished.

BigEdWalsh
08-07-2005, 10:11 PM
He also hit 72 homers after the age of forty, and was the '72 Rookie of the Year. Spooky...

And Konerko hit his 27th homer today (#27 being Fisk's original #).

Brian26
08-07-2005, 10:29 PM
He was leasing John Bay's house in Homer Township, when the lease ran out Carlton's house in New Lenox was finished.

Yeah, we used to drive by there all the time back in the day. The house was right off Route 7...really nice little estate.

pinwheels3530
08-07-2005, 10:50 PM
It was very weird to watch Fisk & JR at the ceremony. JR actually came over and extended himself to Pudge. They were really friendly, but no real conversation took place. Just seemed very awkward considering all the things I have read and heard about their relationship.

flo-B-flo
08-07-2005, 11:08 PM
...in other news, here's what the actual statue looks like:
http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/apphoto/CXS11408072243.jpeg This image is almost heart stopping. All things, he was deserving of the accolades. Too bad the Sox didn't win it all when he played.

Unregistered
08-08-2005, 12:03 AM
FWIW, Fisk's entire family was there Sunday afternoon - including his 92 year-old father.

"My mom and dad were there when I started out in Boston in '69," Fisk said. "They were here when I came to Chicago in '81 and when we won here in '83 and when I retired in '93. They're here today. My dad is 92 and my mom 86."

EDIT: Here's the article: http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/cs-050807soxside,1,1442091.story?coll=cs-home-headlines

Lip Man 1
08-08-2005, 12:45 AM
Rich King had a very nice package on the ceremony during the Instant Replay show tonight. Adding to it was three highlights from 83 and 85 that were included as part of the piece. Very nice to see the old park again. Lip

balke
08-08-2005, 01:36 AM
Sorry if this was already posted in the thread. Where exactly is the statue going? I've read where before, but have forgotten. I was at the game today, but just missed the induction/speech :(:

Nellie_Fox
08-08-2005, 01:50 AM
I realize that you were joking (ha, ha). But seiously, doesn't most of baseball think of Fisk as a Boston player with his defining moment being the HR in the '75 series. I liked Fisk with the White Sox and I appreciated what he did for the franchise, but is a player who made his name with another team "statue worthy?" Note, this is only a question.I really appreciate what Fisk did with the White Sox, and I believe that he should eventually get a statue. However, the players who are in the HOF with a White Sox cap should get statues first.

Trav
08-08-2005, 03:03 AM
I really appreciate what Fisk did with the White Sox, and I believe that he should eventually get a statue. However, the players who are in the HOF with a White Sox cap should get statues first.

Don't they have plans to do that? I think it would look very nice to have a few more statues around the park.

bobwsx
08-08-2005, 07:11 AM
He was leasing John Bay's house in Homer Township, when the lease ran out Carlton's house in New Lenox was finished.I've seen that house....Who is John Bay?

Baby Fisk
08-08-2005, 07:33 AM
The statue DOES look perfect. :thumbsup:

slavko
08-08-2005, 08:25 AM
If I remember correctly, the Sox honored him at the last home game before he was released. I assume retirement was discussed prior as the day honoring him was scheduled in advance. It would have given him a perfect time to exit gracefully.
. His last two season's were a disaster. So maybe 10 1/2 years would be more accurate. Check the stats.
If the Sox surprised him so greatly by releasing him in his twilight, why didn't anyone pick him up? Because everyone but him knew he was finished!

He couldn't play anymore and was a monster pain in the ass in the clubhouse. Lamont wanted him gone.

TomBradley72
08-08-2005, 10:13 AM
He couldn't play anymore and was a monster pain in the ass in the clubhouse. Lamont wanted him gone.

That's accurate. On a side note: Lamont couldn't carry his jock.

LongLiveFisk
08-08-2005, 10:21 AM
That's accurate. On a side note: Lamont couldn't carry his jock.

Lamont couldn't even carry his own jock. :)

Kuzman
08-08-2005, 10:28 AM
...in other news, here's what the actual statue looks like:
http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/apphoto/CXS11408072243.jpeg
Great Statue of Fisk, but

Is it just me or does he look like Tom Berenger from Major League?

Tragg
08-08-2005, 10:32 AM
Nice Statue - is the Minnie statue of the same design/format? It seems like it would be hard to break if someone just brushed up against it.

All of our H of Famers should get statutes. But it makes some sense to do ones for those still living first - so they can see and enjoy them.

Baby Fisk
08-08-2005, 10:32 AM
Great Statue of Fisk, but

Is it just me or does he look like Tom Berenger from Major League?
Actually with the shirt and the tan he looks more like a guy who runs a patio furniture store. Wait, are we talking about Fisk or his statue? :?:

Kuzman
08-08-2005, 10:33 AM
his statue, just the angle of the shot reminds me of tom. oh well just me i guess.

BainesHOF
08-08-2005, 10:43 AM
I believe Lamont sabotoged Fisk in 1993. He allowed Fisk to rust on the bench so when he did play the old catcher didn't have his timing and he looked older than he really was. I think Lamont did so by design. It was sad to watch.

SOX ADDICT '73
08-08-2005, 10:47 AM
Is it just me or does he look like Tom Berenger from Major League?
As a Sox fan, I would say vice versa.

And I know exactly which scene you're thinking of - Taylor watching warily from home plate as Dorn walks up to Vaughn and says "Strike this m*er f*er out!"

LongLiveFisk
08-08-2005, 10:57 AM
I believe Lamont sabotoged Fisk in 1993. He allowed Fisk to rust on the bench so when he did play the old catcher didn't have his timing and he looked older than he really was. I think Lamont did so by design. It was sad to watch.

I do think his skills eroded to a degree but I also always thought he was trying too hard and trying to overcompensate for his lack of playing time when he was out there. It wasn't like him to just drop the pitch when a runner was trying to steal and I saw him do that a couple of times.

LuvSox
08-08-2005, 11:17 AM
Nice Fisk story in today's paper

http://www.thetimesonline.com/articles/2005/08/08/news/top_news/3031cf22db0b2ee586257057000e5b4a.txt

Trav
08-08-2005, 05:38 PM
I do think his skills eroded to a degree but I also always thought he was trying too hard and trying to overcompensate for his lack of playing time when he was out there. It wasn't like him to just drop the pitch when a runner was trying to steal and I saw him do that a couple of times.

Is there a difference?