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CaptUSN
08-04-2005, 02:29 PM
If there is one item that really concerns me about the post season is our lack of hitting w/ RISP. It seems we are slipping into past habits of trying to hit the long ball and not getting the timely single. The 8/3/05 game was a perfect example. We won't be able to squander opportunities like that in the play-offs. Most of the teams we will face will have more fire power than us, so we'll have to score runs if the type of situations we have been squandering recently.

Fake Chet Lemon
08-04-2005, 02:34 PM
It seems we are slipping into past habits of trying to hit the long ball .

But we will win the infield pop-up battle!

livewir
08-04-2005, 02:50 PM
Yes I to am concerned with our 4th in the entire MLB RISP/w 2 out Average of .264, the sky is falling we may never win again.



LW

Rocky Soprano
08-04-2005, 02:57 PM
Yes I to am concerned with our 4th in the entire MLB RISP/w 2 out Average of .264, the sky is falling we may never win again.



LW

You should be concerned with our eyes after making that post!

:tealpolice:

Lip Man 1
08-04-2005, 05:42 PM
It's a vaild concern Livewir, the numbers haven't lied recently including the home record.

That being said in my opinion, the key is Pods. If he's hitting, if he's stealing bases...things happen. The Sox seem to be more aggresive in going the other way, they seem to work deeper into counts.

Lip

FarWestChicago
08-04-2005, 05:46 PM
It's a vaild concern Livewir, the numbers haven't lied recently including the home record.Lip, you think any negative concern is valid. I'm waiting for you to start worrying about Sox catching Bubonic Plague if they make it to the postseason. :rolleyes:

Lip Man 1
08-04-2005, 05:55 PM
Welcome back West....I missed you!

Lip

Cowhead418
08-04-2005, 06:29 PM
If there is one item that really concerns me about the post season is our lack of hitting w/ RISP. It seems we are slipping into past habits of trying to hit the long ball and not getting the timely single. The 8/3/05 game was a perfect example. We won't be able to squander opportunities like that in the play-offs. Most of the teams we will face will have more fire power than us, so we'll have to score runs if the type of situations we have been squandering recently.
Actually I think you are completely wrong. Yesterday's game was an exception but this team's offense has lived off getting the timely hits in clutch situations.

PaleHoseGeorge
08-04-2005, 06:35 PM
Lip, you think any negative concern is valid. I'm waiting for you to start worrying about Sox catching Bubonic Plague if they make it to the postseason.

West, Bubonic Plague is waaaay overdue. The Sox have *never* beat Bubonic Plague.

:wink:

TornLabrum
08-04-2005, 06:37 PM
West, Bubonic Plague is waaaay overdue. The Sox have *never* beat Bubonic Plague.

:wink:

You know who could beat bubonic plague?





































DA COACH!

PaleHoseGeorge
08-04-2005, 06:38 PM
You know who could beat bubonic plague?




DA COACH!

Mini-Ditka or full-sized Ditka?

:iron
"Torn, this too shall pass. Yes, even bubonic plague."

Randar68
08-04-2005, 06:39 PM
If there is one item that really concerns me about the post season is our lack of hitting w/ RISP. It seems we are slipping into past habits of trying to hit the long ball and not getting the timely single. The 8/3/05 game was a perfect example. We won't be able to squander opportunities like that in the play-offs. Most of the teams we will face will have more fire power than us, so we'll have to score runs if the type of situations we have been squandering recently.

My only concern is that we didn't land a middle-of-the-order bat before the deadline. I've said that for a while now, we need another legit bat, and we missed out on getting one.

The hitting in-general scares me, although the way our bullpen has gone lately and Marte and Vizcaino making Bob Howry look dependable, I'm pretty worried there too.

If there was ever a time to work Jenks into a tight situation to try to let the kid earn some more trust, today's top of the 8th was it. Marte had no business starting that inning after the way he pitched in the 7th...

Mr. White Sox
08-04-2005, 06:43 PM
This "Home Run Explosion" is overrated; the Sox aren't 4th in the AL in home runs for nothing. They've been consistently smacking homers all year, but due to the lack of fundamental baseball lately, people figure the Sox only get their runs off the HR, and are regressing towards 2000 form. The Sox score with a balanced attack of moving guys along, sacrificing, and power (HR). Once the Sox start stealing again and the home runs continue to be hit at this rate, nobody will talk about how the Sox are hitting too many homers.

The only guy I'm really concerned with in terms of clutch situations is Paul Konerko. RISP w/2 out: .143/.273/.339

EDIT: Yes Randar, I was thinking the same thing in terms of using Jenks in a tight situation. The 8th would have been the perfect spot.

MRKARNO
08-04-2005, 07:47 PM
I know a lot of people criticize the all or nothing approach, but the ballpark lends itself to that style of offense more than any other ballpark in baseball. HRs are easier than any other park in baseball, but the smaller dimensions make it easier for balls in play to be caught (read: fewer hits) and allow for fewer doubles and triples. It's hard to put up a lot of runs on the board without hitting it out of the ballpark unless you have a lot of low line drive hitters who get a boatload of singles. You simply cannot win at this park without being in the top 10 in the Majors in HRs. And you probably even need to be higher than that (top 7).

I wouldnt worry about the lack of clutch hits. The more relevant thing is that we're getting guys on base and keeping the power up. Those hits will come in time.

Tragg
08-04-2005, 07:51 PM
We could use an impact bat in the middle of the lineup.

There simply wasn't one on the block.

ChicagoHoosier
08-04-2005, 08:29 PM
I thought I heard Hawk the other night say that we lead the league getting runners on 2nd and 3rd home. Yet, our batting average with RISP is below the AL average. Not sure if I misheard him, or if we're just doing it a lot with sac flys and hitting the runner over from second to third.

Anyone know where you can find that stat? RISP that score? I didn't see it on Hardball Times, which is where I found BA with RISP (which I'm sure you can find just about anywere).

RallyBowl
08-04-2005, 08:36 PM
:cleo

"Everyting will be O.K., mon."

Tragg
08-04-2005, 09:20 PM
I thought I heard Hawk the other night say that we lead the league getting runners on 2nd and 3rd home. Yet, our batting average with RISP is below the AL average. Not sure if I misheard him, or if we're just doing it a lot with sac flys and hitting the runner over from second to third.

Anyone know where you can find that stat? RISP that score? I didn't see it on Hardball Times, which is where I found BA with RISP (which I'm sure you can find just about anywere).

I do think we lead the league in SFs.
I don't know if they keep stats on such things, but we seem particularly adept at going from 1st to 3rd on a single.

elrod
08-04-2005, 09:38 PM
I believe are one of the top teams in MLB in productive outs, which includes moving runners along. We lead the AL in SFs and Sac bunts and we lead in steals. The reason the offense looks weak lately is that Pods has been in a slump. Fortunately, Iguchi has come out of his slump and is hitting great.

Optipessimism
08-04-2005, 10:30 PM
This "Home Run Explosion" is overrated; the Sox aren't 4th in the AL in home runs for nothing. They've been consistently smacking homers all year, but due to the lack of fundamental baseball lately, people figure the Sox only get their runs off the HR, and are regressing towards 2000 form. The Sox score with a balanced attack of moving guys along, sacrificing, and power (HR). Once the Sox start stealing again and the home runs continue to be hit at this rate, nobody will talk about how the Sox are hitting too many homers.

The only guy I'm really concerned with in terms of clutch situations is Paul Konerko. RISP w/2 out: .143/.273/.339

EDIT: Yes Randar, I was thinking the same thing in terms of using Jenks in a tight situation. The 8th would have been the perfect spot.

Well said.

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FarWestChicago
08-04-2005, 11:34 PM
Welcome back West....I missed you!

LipLet's face it Lip, you are that guy in B movies that always freaks out and then a star comes up and slaps the ever living **** out of you and then you say, "Thanks. I needed that." I'm just doing my part. :cool:

FarWestChicago
08-04-2005, 11:38 PM
West, Bubonic Plague is waaaay overdue. The Sox have *never* beat Bubonic Plague.

:wink:Yeah, in the first round. But, do you and Torn think the Sox have a chance, even sans-Ditka, if they get Bubonic Plague in the second round? If so, we can root for Bubonic Plague to win the division so the Sox get Giant Impacting Asteroid Collision in the first round.