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shoota
08-03-2005, 04:33 PM
I highly recommend reading this Tribune article: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/chi-0508030319aug03,1,21733.story?coll=chi-sportsnew-hed


What he tested positive for:

Palmeiro tested positive for the potent anabolic steroid Stanozolol, the New York Times reported, citing a person in baseball with direct knowledge of the sport's drug-testing program.

Stanozolol, known by its brand name, Winstrol, was most notably linked to the Olympic sprinter Ben Johnson, who was stripped of a gold medal in 1988.

Discredits Palmeiro's claim that he took a supplement unknowingly, and also proves that he took steroids this season:

Palmeiro said Monday that he had never intentionally taken steroids, but Stanozolol does not come in dietary supplements and is among the most popular steroid on the market. It can be ingested or injected and usually remains in a person's system for at least a month, the New York Times reported.

Congress wants a piece of him:

And now members of Congress, embarrassed and angered by Palmeiro's indignant denials of steroid use at a March hearing, want to know an exact timeline.

Since Monday's announcement, several House members have said they want to know if Palmeiro lied to Congress.


I assumed that the 10-day public suspension Selig promised would be served immediately. But of course, Palmeiro was allowed to keep playing for 2.5 months while on steroids and avoid the negative press on his climb towards 3,000 hits. I don't like the secrecy.

According to an industry source, Palmeiro tested positive for the steroid in May and appealed the ruling in secret arbitration proceedings in June.

The Racehorse
08-03-2005, 04:41 PM
I've been beating this drum the last 24 hours.

SoxSpeed22
08-03-2005, 04:43 PM
:tool"Ah, eee, uh, mmm.... RUN!"
Seriously though, it takes months to punish anyone because the appeal process takes a lot longer than it should. If you ask me they should have regional commissioners specifically for the appeal process. Good to see that good 'ol Bud hasn't changed one bit since 1994.

samram
08-03-2005, 04:50 PM
:tool"Ah, eee, uh, mmm.... RUN!"
Seriously though, it takes months to punish everyone because the appeal process takes a lot longer than it should. If you ask me they should have regional commissioners specifically for the appeal process. Good to see that good 'ol Bud hasn't changed one bit since 1994.

I agree with you about having regional commissioners or hearing committees. Or just have the guy fly to NY the day after the suspension is handed down.

The point about the punishment here isn't the amount of time taken by the appeals process. It's that there were secret hearings held to protect a guy so that his pursuit of 3000 hits would be untarnished- until three weeks later when it all comes crashing down. Did MLB really think this wouldn't get out? People have been questioning the integrity of the testing all season, and now this episode of protectionism comes out. Not good. The best move for MLB would have been to say "We don't care who you are or what you are about to do- you take banned substances, you go down for it now. Not two months from now- now." Now the question to be asked is how many other guys have tested positive and are going through secret hearings.

The Racehorse
08-03-2005, 04:55 PM
Alex Sanchez & Jorge Piedra would probably like to know this answer too... to say that they were squashed quickly [on the heels of the March hearing on Capitol Hill] is an understatement.

Wouldn't it be ironic if Bud Selig dragged his feet with Palmeiro simply because he feared the makers of Viagra would pull MLB from it's payroll over the bad publicity an illegal drug-using Raffy would generate?

cheeses_h_rice
08-03-2005, 05:00 PM
Bud Selig is a spineless douchebag who talks out of both sides of his mouth at all times.

Any other questions?

MarySwiss
08-03-2005, 05:08 PM
This probably won't surprise anyone here who knows what a Sox fan he is, but John Kass had a really well-written, thoughtful, insightful column in today's Trib, which discusses this very point.

Tekijawa
08-03-2005, 05:11 PM
You guys must not have read the back of the MLB Steroid Agreement. Look:

DISCLAIMER: Although Steroid Hearings lasting for more than four hours may occur rarely, it is important to seek immediate media attention.

SOXPHILE
08-03-2005, 05:20 PM
Bud Selig is a spineless douchebag who talks out of both sides of his mouth at all times.

Any other questions?


:tool
"Hi ! I'm the worst commisioner of all four pro sports leagues. I'm a lying scumbag too, but believe me when I tell you that I'm doing everything I can to work out this minor little problem we have with players supposedly using these steroid things. Huh ? What's that ? You say there's a clause I can invoke as commisioner which would enforce a zero tolerance policy for these guys, and do things like suspend them for a WHOLE YEAR for first time users, instead of just 10 measly games ? Gee, I don't know if that would work, ummm....let me see what I can find out and I'll get back to you."

Foulke You
08-04-2005, 03:18 AM
Since Monday's announcement, several House members have said they want to know if Palmeiro lied to Congress.

I wonder if old Raffy is going to be finding himself behind bars when this is all said and done.

TornLabrum
08-04-2005, 07:47 AM
I wonder if old Raffy is going to be finding himself behind bars when this is all said and done.

I'd say Raffy has three choices:

1) He can lie again and say he was unaware of how such a strong drug got into his body.

2) He can come clean and beg for mercy.

3) He can take the fifth.

I'm betting on #3.

Madvora
08-04-2005, 08:52 AM
But wait, Palmiero was appointed to the "special task force" to help rid the MLB or performance enhancing drugs...
He must have been undercover at the time and was forced to take them in order to maintain his own secrecy and report back to the task force captain on their affects.

RedHeadPaleHoser
08-04-2005, 09:30 AM
I'd say Raffy has three choices:

1) He can lie again and say he was unaware of how such a strong drug got into his body.

2) He can come clean and beg for mercy.

3) He can take the fifth.

I'm betting on #3.

Taking the fifth = McGuiring. Raffy will McGuire his way through this.

samram
08-04-2005, 09:32 AM
I'd say Raffy has three choices:

1) He can lie again and say he was unaware of how such a strong drug got into his body.

2) He can come clean and beg for mercy.

3) He can take the fifth.

I'm betting on #3.

I agree. He's also not going to prison. There's no way to really prove he had taken any of this stuff at the time he appeared in front of Congress. Of course, he absolutely has, and we all know it; it's just there's no way to prove it, given what we currently know.

Oh, and as for Congress's involvement- if they want to interject themselves into this catastrophe, send DEA guys out to MLB training facilities and enforce the drug laws, and put people in prison. Otherwise, don't waste money telling an organization to better police illegal activities (whether they should be or not isn't the issue here) occurring in its business.

Flight #24
08-04-2005, 10:08 AM
"Hi ! I'm the worst commisioner of all four pro sports leagues. I'm a lying scumbag too, but believe me when I tell you that I'm doing everything I can to work out this minor little problem we have with players supposedly using these steroid things. Huh ? What's that ? You say there's a clause I can invoke as commisioner which would enforce a zero tolerance policy for these guys, and do things like suspend them for a WHOLE YEAR for first time users, instead of just 10 measly games ? Gee, I don't know if that would work, ummm....let me see what I can find out and I'll get back to you."

Does anyone honestly believe that this would do anything but result in MLBPA taking them to arbitration and likely winning? I.e. accomplish nothing more than giving hte MLBPA more bad pub and further poisoning the relationship between the owners & players?

Venting's all well & good, but a little bit of rationality isn't a bad thing.

DaleJRFan
08-04-2005, 01:00 PM
Taking the fifth = McGuiring. Raffy will McGuire his way through this.

The scary thing about all of this is that, excluding Frank Thomas (since he was cut off from speaking due to technical difficulties), the most honorable speaker at those stupid congressional hearings WAS McGwire, simply because he refused to perjure himself.

Sosa, Palmeiro = Liars. Schilling = Double-talking Douchebag.

Ol' No. 2
08-04-2005, 07:46 PM
Venting's all well & good, but a little bit of rationality isn't a bad thing.Seems to be in pretty short supply on this issue.

downstairs
08-04-2005, 08:23 PM
Punish?

I thought he got a 10 game suspension.

Punishment is 2 years out of baseball and a lifetime ban from the Hall of Fame.

A 10 game suspension is not punishment. Its an invitation to keep doing it for awhile.

brewcrew/chisox
08-04-2005, 08:39 PM
Bud Selig is a spineless douchebag who talks out of both sides of his mouth at all times.

Any other questions?

And thank god he, and his idiot daughter no longer owns the Brewers

RedHeadPaleHoser
08-05-2005, 07:37 AM
The scary thing about all of this is that, excluding Frank Thomas (since he was cut off from speaking due to technical difficulties), the most honorable speaker at those stupid congressional hearings WAS McGwire, simply because he refused to perjure himself.

Sosa, Palmeiro = Liars. Schilling = Double-talking Douchebag.

Please, let me make sure I understand - someone who sat there, who's out of baseball, cannot be implicated relating to suspensions in a game he no longer plays, looked 30lbs lighter as he sat there, turned around to his attorney for almost every question (Mr. McGuire, would you care for some water? One moment, sir while I confer with counsel...), is HONORABLE because he wouldn't discuss his past? In that vein, Jason Giambi is a Red Cross volunteer because he apologized...for world hunger, the US deficit, global warming, what?

The Racehorse
08-05-2005, 10:56 AM
The title of this thread will be a question directed to Selig & Fehr when they & Palmeiro are [again] hauled to Capitol Hill… not that I expect anyone to give a clear & concise answer[s].