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LongLiveFisk
08-03-2005, 03:32 PM
Post your forgotten Sox players (and by that I mean YOU remember them but almost everyone else forgot about them!)

I remember Kelly Paris and Pat Keedy (sp?) from about '86-'87. Nobody remembers them but hey, at least they have a good story to tell their kids!

EastCoastSoxFan
08-03-2005, 03:35 PM
I remember going to a one-day pitching clinic put on by Mike Proly, circa 1980...

Tekijawa
08-03-2005, 03:36 PM
Ken Vining?

LongLiveFisk
08-03-2005, 03:37 PM
I remember going to a one-day pitching clinic put on by Mike Proly, circa 1980...

Hey, I remember him..now that's a blast from the past!

Madvora
08-03-2005, 03:41 PM
Joe "Do It All" Hall

The Racehorse
08-03-2005, 03:45 PM
Nyls Nyman, OF - 1974-77

Muopsies
08-03-2005, 03:45 PM
Jeff Bittiger. His '89 Topps frightened me

Fake Chet Lemon
08-03-2005, 03:47 PM
As a youngster for some reason I always thought Wayne Nordhagen was awesome. But as a guy who played for the team for a fairly long stint, I've never heard anyone tell their favorite Wayne Nordhagen moment. Or ANY Wayne Nordhagen moment.

Jerko
08-03-2005, 03:47 PM
Bobby Molinaro

SOXSINCE'70
08-03-2005, 03:49 PM
Mostly recent vintage:

Lyle Mouton,Bob Zupzic(sp??),Norberto Martin,Ramon Garcia,
and,of course,Rodney Bolton and Scott Ruffcorn.:D: :D: :D:

C-Dawg
08-03-2005, 03:50 PM
I remember going to a one-day pitching clinic put on by Mike Proly, circa 1980...

Awww, don't underestimate Mike. I remember him a lot better than a few other guys from that era.

Ken Vining?

I actually sat next to some dude with a Vining jersey earlier this season; had to be one of the more obscure jerseys I've seen.

soxfan123
08-03-2005, 03:52 PM
:bkoch:
"Don't Forget Me!"

Tekijawa
08-03-2005, 03:53 PM
I actually sat next to some dude with a Vining jersey earlier this season; had to be one of the more obscure jerseys I've seen.

I think I've seen that same guy, that's why it popped into my head I guess?!?! Maybe it's actually Ken?

johnnyg83
08-03-2005, 03:55 PM
Tex Wortham. Junior Moore. Ron Kirkwood. Sean Abner.

HITMEN OF 77
08-03-2005, 03:56 PM
Carlos Martinez, 1989 1990 ish....

Tekijawa
08-03-2005, 03:57 PM
Tex Wortham. Junior Moore. Ron Kirkwood. Sean Abner.

Shawn Abner was great for about three weeks, I don't think he should count!

MarySwiss
08-03-2005, 03:57 PM
I remember Mike Proly and Nyls Nyman well.

How about Craig Grebeck and Jerry Janeski?

Foulke You
08-03-2005, 04:00 PM
Mike Bertotti, greatest pitcher of the '90s!!

Anyone remember pitcher Neil Allen from the '80s?

A more recent obscure vintage would be Kevin Beirne, the last man in the 2000 division winning team's bullpen.

C-Dawg
08-03-2005, 04:02 PM
Tex Wortham.

Left handed pitcher with a high kick, like Dontrelle Willis's, right?

johnnyg83
08-03-2005, 04:08 PM
Left handed pitcher with a high kick, like Dontrelle Willis's, right?

He was a lefty. Late 70s/early 80s.

How about some catchers:

Matt Merullo
Don Wakamatsu
Mike Colburn
Marc Hill

TomBradley72
08-03-2005, 04:14 PM
Pete Varney- C early 70's
Jim Breazeale- 1B late 70's
Skip Pitlock- P early 70's
Dave Stegman- 2B early 80's
Mark Salas- C late 80's
Ricky Seilheimer- C late 70's

downstairs
08-03-2005, 04:14 PM
Lorenzo Gray
Ron LeFlore

Tom~Attitude
08-03-2005, 04:21 PM
John Cangelosi...1986 ...replaced the legendary Darrel Boston as centerfielder

Had 50 SB's and 71 BB's that year.

MarySwiss
08-03-2005, 04:22 PM
John Cangelosi...1986 ...replaced the legendary Darrel Boston as centerfielder

Had 50 SB's and 71 BB's that year.

Omigod! John Cangelosi, YES!

Fungo
08-03-2005, 04:24 PM
Liu Rodriguez
Norberto Martin

MarySwiss
08-03-2005, 04:25 PM
Lorenzo Gray
Ron LeFlore

IIRC, there was actually a movie about Ron LeFlore.

Brian26
08-03-2005, 04:28 PM
1984/1985 - Jerry Don Gleaton

1983 - Chris Nyman

1985 - Dan Spillner

zach23
08-03-2005, 04:30 PM
Matt Stark

oldcomiskey
08-03-2005, 04:32 PM
anybody remember a left hander with a funky motion --Isidrio Marquez I believe his name was

or the big name pitcher Dave Weirmeister--Bee Bee Richard and Rich McKinney from the Tanner era. or Blue Moon Odom and Jesse Jefferson. How about Tom Egan and Duane Josephson or the late Francisco Barrios. Or maybe Cory Snyder and Hank Allen. maybe Willie Harris' name will be here 10 years from now.... I still the play where Daryl Boston jumps into the stands from the late 80s at the old park and Rodney McRae I belive it was that crashed thru the wall in the minors

oldcomiskey
08-03-2005, 04:32 PM
forgot about Rick Reichardt and Bill Sharp

Foulke You
08-03-2005, 04:33 PM
Roy Smalley just popped into my head (Early/Mid '80s)

oldcomiskey
08-03-2005, 04:34 PM
IIRC, there was actually a movie about Ron LeFlore.
yes there was---I think it had Lavar Burton playing Ron

Brian26
08-03-2005, 04:34 PM
How about Al Jones from around '85? Before they picked up Bob James from the Expos, it looked like Jones was going to be just an unbelievable closer. He had 95mph+ stuff, but it just didn't pan out. Did he get hurt?

zach23
08-03-2005, 04:34 PM
yes there was---I think it had Lavar Burton playing Ron

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0078035/

whitesox_1
08-03-2005, 04:36 PM
what about herbert perry

OzzieBall2005
08-03-2005, 04:45 PM
Jorge Fabargas

LuvSox
08-03-2005, 04:46 PM
Steve Renko

MarySwiss
08-03-2005, 04:48 PM
Lerrin LaGrow, anybody?

Brian26
08-03-2005, 04:50 PM
Steve Mura and Randy Martz. Always thought one of them might slide into the #5 spot on the '83 staff, but it never happened.

ZachAL
08-03-2005, 04:58 PM
what about herbert perry

Herbert Perry played AMAZING for us and was a catalyst for that 2000 division title, his clutch hitting was amazing.....and who wouldve thought we picked him up after a release from the Devil Rays. THE MIIIIIIIILK MAAAAAN

1917
08-03-2005, 04:59 PM
Brian "Watch out for that wall" Simmons and

Eric King- The Ace of the 1990 squad

ZachAL
08-03-2005, 05:01 PM
what about herbert perry

Also, if we're going with the "where are they now 2000 chicago whitesox" theme, i'd like to know what Lorenzo Barcelo is doing right this minute.

MarySwiss
08-03-2005, 05:02 PM
Herbert Perry played AMAZING for us and was a catalyst for that 2000 division title, his clutch hitting was amazing.....and who wouldve thought we picked him up after a release from the Devil Rays. THE MIIIIIIIILK MAAAAAN

Second that. I thought one of the coolest things about Herbert Perry is he didn't really look like a baseball player; more like an accountant or something. And he didn't have that "baseball-player-sounding" name, either. But he totally got the clutch hits.

MisterB
08-03-2005, 05:08 PM
Esteban Beltre (SS, '91-'92)
Dave Gallagher (CF, '88-'90)
Harry Chappas (SS, '78-'80)
Bill Nahorodny (C, '77-'79)
Billy Jo Robidoux (1B, '89)
Scott Hemond (UT, '92)
Luis Salazar (3B/OF, '85-'86)
Wayne Tolleson (IF, '86)

SOXfnNlansing
08-03-2005, 05:08 PM
Harry Chappas

BigEdWalsh
08-03-2005, 05:18 PM
Catchers Gerry McNertney and Chuck Brinkman. Outfielders Ron Lolich and Bob Christian. The late Paul Edmundson. The immortal John "Pineapple" Matias. Infielders Bobby Knoop and Wayne Causey. Woodie Held. Guys that had great careers elsewhere and pkayed briefly with the White Sox, Ken Boyer and Rocky Colavito. Doo Wop singer, Lee Maye. Deacon Jones. Former Sox reliever and ex-Cub outfielder, Danny Murphy. Flame-thrower Herb Score. Bob Farley. Cam Carreon (whose foul ball was the only ball I've ever caught at a game). Harry "Suitcase" Simpson.
And my all-time favorite Sox farmhand, Manly Johnston.

The Critic
08-03-2005, 05:27 PM
Ron Hassey.

My favorite Hassey memory is when my buddy Rodney went to Spring Training and kept bugging Hassey to sign a bat for him. Hassey ignored him for like 10 minutes and finally had enough and told my buddy "Hey, pal, F off already, willya???"
Hassey was my favorite player for a while after that...until I saw him play for a while! HA!!!

Stroker Ace
08-03-2005, 05:32 PM
Jerry Kutzler. A former pitcher. He was my 6th or 7th grade gym teacher.

Knucksie
08-03-2005, 05:36 PM
Some of my favorites from over the years...

Rich Morales 2B
Bobby Knoop
Gail Hopkins 1B (If you collect cards in 1970, I bet you have at least 1 of him)
Duane Josephson C
Luis Alvarado IF (I think Uribe is Alvardo reincernated)
Buddy Booker C
Warren Newson OF (was the 2nd comming of Walt "no neck" Williams)
Mike Dunne P
Melido Perez P (Like Contreas, when good was great and bad was...unbearable)
Tim Hulett 3B (another in the long line of great 3b prospects)

just to name a few...

whitesoxwilkes
08-03-2005, 05:38 PM
John Cangelosi...1986 ...replaced the legendary Darrel Boston as centerfielder

Had 50 SB's and 71 BB's that year.

Still lives in the South burbs somewhere...Tinley or Orland. A buddy of mine's brother-in-law is good friends with him.

I'll go with Bill Pulsipher.

Mark
08-03-2005, 05:41 PM
Steve Kemp, Dennis Lamp and Juan Agosto

TornLabrum
08-03-2005, 05:42 PM
Fred Hatfield (who will always be #3 in my heart--who is this Baines interloper?)
Jim Willoughby

DarkCloudDropo
08-03-2005, 05:47 PM
A guy who was on the team for parts of 6 years but no one seems to remember was catcher Camilo Carreon.

edit: Oops! I see BigEd already mentioned him.

Lip Man 1
08-03-2005, 05:53 PM
Bill Stein

Bill Naharodny

Jerry Royster

Luis Aloma

Lee Elia (that's right the same guy who threw the Cub fans tirade in 81?)

Lip

BigEdWalsh
08-03-2005, 05:53 PM
A guy who was on the team for parts of 6 years but no one seems to remember was catcher Camilo Carreon.

You evidently didn't read my post.

As for Juan Agosto who someone mentioned earlier, who didn't "love" that weird thing he did with his tongue (sounds kinda freaky if you don't know what I'm talking about).

Edit: that's ok DropoFan. Now, Walt Dropo, who the heck remembers him?

billnahorodny
08-03-2005, 05:53 PM
Esteban Beltre (SS, '91-'92)
Dave Gallagher (CF, '88-'90)
Harry Chappas (SS, '78-'80)
Bill Nahorodny (C, '77-'79)
Billy Jo Robidoux (1B, '89)
Scott Hemond (UT, '92)
Luis Salazar (3B/OF, '85-'86)
Wayne Tolleson (IF, '86)

I must have been about 8 yrs old when I got Nahorodny's autograph at old Comiskey. Our choices for favorite player at eight seem to have little to do with actual performance. With all the players that have come and gone over the years, that team, and perplexingly, Bill Nahorodny, continue to be the first thought that flashes through my mind when I think of the White Sox and as a result, the natural choice for my WSI handle. :cool:

DarkCloudDropo
08-03-2005, 05:56 PM
Second that. I thought one of the coolest things about Herbert Perry is he didn't really look like a baseball player; more like an accountant or something. And he didn't have that "baseball-player-sounding" name, either. But he totally got the clutch hits.

Interesting. I think it's only because he used his proper first name instead of just 'Herb" Herb Perry is a dynamite baseball name I think. There have been a few big Herbs in the game, most notable being Herb Score and Herb Pennock. Or Herb Plews if you want to get a little more obscure. :smile:

DarkCloudDropo
08-03-2005, 05:57 PM
You evidently didn't read my post.

As for Juan Agosto who someone mentioned earlier, who didn't "love" that weird thing he did with his tongue (sounds kinda freaky if you don't know what I'm talking about).

Edit: that's ok DropoFan. Now, Walt Dropo, who the heck remembers him?

lol There aren't many of us left. :smile:

You know how sometimes you just latch onto a name? Dropo's record tying 12 consecutive hits is what grabbed me.

MarySwiss
08-03-2005, 06:09 PM
Did anyone mention Kevin Hickey? Didn't see him anywhere, but he has to be one of the most fascinating Sox pitchers ever. IIRC, he played 16" softball at McKinley Park, then caught on with the Sox for a coupla years.

Ultimately wound up with a decent role in Major League II (Schoup). So maybe he's not really "forgotten."

MarySwiss
08-03-2005, 06:13 PM
Steve Kemp, Dennis Lamp and Juan Agosto

Juan Agosto! Now there's a guy I truly hated to see come in. Second only to Terry Forster. And--and I know I'll get a lot of flak for this--Bobby Thigpen.

Falstaff
08-03-2005, 06:15 PM
Hank Allen (Dick's Bro), Chuck Brinkman (Ed Herrman's backup), Kevin Bell,

Brian Downing, Pat Kelly , John the Jet Jeter, Jesse Jefferson - there's a pitcher you probably forgot about, Bill Sharp, Claudell Washington, Chris Singleton, Ray Durham

eastchicagosoxfan
08-03-2005, 06:16 PM
Kevin Bell. Wasn't he suppossed to be a great prospect, and he blew his knee out, or something along those lines. Salome Barojes ( sic ) played on the 1983 team. Somebody mentioned Ron Hassey. Wasn't he once traded for himself. He was sent to the Sox, and later returned to sender as the player to be named later?

Lip Man 1
08-03-2005, 06:20 PM
Bell tore apart his knee in a collision a home plate in Chicago. I think it was against the A's. He was never the same again.

Lip

TornLabrum
08-03-2005, 06:21 PM
You evidently didn't read my post.

As for Juan Agosto who someone mentioned earlier, who didn't "love" that weird thing he did with his tongue (sounds kinda freaky if you don't know what I'm talking about).

Edit: that's ok DropoFan. Now, Walt Dropo, who the heck remembers him?

I do. If there was a game situation and Dropo was up, he was sure to whiff.

Tom~Attitude
08-03-2005, 07:09 PM
Juan Agosto! Now there's a guy I truly hated to see come in.
Yes...he was also known as DISGUSTO!

PaleHoseGeorge
08-03-2005, 07:14 PM
Lerrin LaGrow
Salome Barojas
Bob James.

Yeah, I've got a thing for flash in the pan relief pitchers.

:cool:

Coincidentally, Flash and the Pan used to be one of my favorite New Wave bands, too.
:wink:

Fredsox
08-03-2005, 07:15 PM
Pat Kelly was a good man, very fan friendly (used to wave at us in the lower deck bleachers). Not a bad right fielder or hitter either.

34rancher
08-03-2005, 07:21 PM
Can't believe no one has said anything about "Slappy" Mike Caruso.

Sox Blue 69-70
08-03-2005, 07:26 PM
Jose Segura. There are a lot of candidates, of course, but this guy committed a balk for the ages, in 1988 I believe in California. They showed it on TWIB (I think that's where I saw it), he stumbled himself off the mound and nearly fell over still holding onto the ball. I'll never forget that one.


Also, Mike Diaz! (huge forearms, slow bat)

Sox Blue 69-70
08-03-2005, 07:31 PM
Esteban Beltre (SS, '91-'92)


Still have his ONLY major league home run on tape, a 3-run 1992 job against the Twinks. Nearly spilled my drink upon seeing that one (nearly) :cool:

TheBull
08-03-2005, 07:55 PM
Steve Mura and Randy Martz. Always thought one of them might slide into the #5 spot on the '83 staff, but it never happened.

Steve Mura. Wow. I thought he would have slipped through the cracks for sure. I remember his curve ball being described as a "yakker," but that is probably why he suffered with elbow problems.

I'll add Drew "The Next Frank Thomas" Denson and Dewey Robinson to the list.

LongLiveFisk
08-03-2005, 08:49 PM
Oh yeah, I just remembered Gene Nelson and Reid Nichols (the man who caught the last out in Seaver's 300th win)

TommyJohn
08-03-2005, 09:04 PM
Bill Stein
Royle Stillman
Bob Coluccio
Phil Roof (played a few games for them in '76, I remember seeing him)
Jamie Quirk
Steve Christmas (would've loved to see him teamed with Luke Easter)
Bill Sharp
Joel Skinner- I was high on him for some strange reason
Wayne Tolleson
Tim (the Other) Lollar
Cy (Not Young) Acosta- anyone mention him yet?
Dave Hamilton
Jesse Jefferson
Mark Ryal
Bryan Little- one of three guys to go back-to-back-to back off Dave Steib in
1985
Joe DeSa- died in a car accident after a brief career
Luis Alvarado- replaced that other Luis, whatsisname

chisoxfan64
08-03-2005, 09:15 PM
Jay Johnstone
Dave Lemonds
Jim McGlothlin
Skip Pitlock
Claude Osteen
Dan Osborn
Jack Kucek
Ron Blomberg
Royle Stillman
John Verhoeven
Ron Schuler
Randy Scarberry
Fred Howard
Al Jones

Sorry if I repeated some, reading all the names in the post scrambled my brain some.

Oh ya, Don Kessinger and Ron Santo

SoxFan76
08-03-2005, 09:18 PM
Kevin Beirne

Malgar 12
08-03-2005, 09:29 PM
Brian "Watch out for that wall" Simmons and

Eric King- The Ace of the 1990 squad

I was just thinking of Eric King too, but wasn't Greg Hibbard the ace of the 1990 staff?:D:

Chisox353014
08-03-2005, 09:44 PM
How about a trio of horrid veteran pckups:
Chris Sabo
Cory Snyder
Ken Hill

34rancher
08-03-2005, 09:49 PM
I was just thinking of Eric King too, but wasn't Greg Hibbard the ace of the 1990 staff?:D:
You mean "the bulldog"?

How about Donn Pall, Scott Radinsky, Warren Newsome...


Heck, check this out...year by year rosters. (http://www.baseball-almanac.com/teamstats/roster.php?y=1995&t=CHA) Just change the year in the link.

DC Sox Fan
08-03-2005, 09:49 PM
Wayne Nordhagen will always be associated with my greatest Sox memory- meeting him and shaking his hand in the eeeeearly '80s in Balmur. Long story short, my parents went to a game and jokingly said they were the founders of the "Wayne Nordhagen Fan Club." Wayne went ape that day, and my folks brought a banner to the next game out here (Balmur) saying "We want Walloping Wayne." Rumor has it that Julio Cruz gave him guff about it, pointing up and laughing. He met us after the game. I couldn't have been more than 5. Great memory I'll never forget. B/C of this, he'll always be one of my favorite, least forgotten Sox.



As a youngster for some reason I always thought Wayne Nordhagen was awesome. But as a guy who played for the team for a fairly long stint, I've never heard anyone tell their favorite Wayne Nordhagen moment. Or ANY Wayne Nordhagen moment.

34rancher
08-03-2005, 09:50 PM
Anyone know what ever happened to Wayne Hagen?

chisoxfan64
08-03-2005, 09:52 PM
As a youngster for some reason I always thought Wayne Nordhagen was awesome. But as a guy who played for the team for a fairly long stint, I've never heard anyone tell their favorite Wayne Nordhagen moment. Or ANY Wayne Nordhagen moment.

My favorite Wayne Nordhagen moment was when he took the mound and pitched for us.

chisoxfan64
08-03-2005, 09:57 PM
I seem to recall Bobby Douglas pitching for us once too.:?:

whitesoxfan1986
08-03-2005, 10:14 PM
Does anyone remember Dan Pasqua?

WhiteSox16K
08-03-2005, 10:37 PM
Not sure if anyone has posted these, but how about Charles Johnson and his brief 44 games with the Sox in '00. Also, Tanyon Sturtze in '99 and '00 (All 21 2/3 IP) and the Ken Hill experiment in 2000.

TornLabrum
08-03-2005, 10:48 PM
Anyone know what ever happened to Wayne Hagen?

I think I saw where Hagin is broadcasting for the Cardinals.

Lip Man 1
08-03-2005, 10:55 PM
Hagin is the guy who stated in a radio interview that he was told Todd Helton was using steroids. Helton went ballistic and threatened to sue over it.

Lip

LuvSox
08-03-2005, 11:12 PM
Can't believe no one has said anything about "Slappy" Mike Caruso.

Trying to forget that guy. Hell, trying to forget that whole era.

TornLabrum
08-03-2005, 11:16 PM
You hardly hear anybody mention Sammy Esposito anymore, and iirc he was a local boy who made good with the Sox. Ditto Jim McAnany and one of my favorites, Ken McBride.

A few year later there was Bruce Howard whom the Sox protected, causing them to lose Denny McLain.

Anybody else remember Fat Jack Fisher's year with the Sox? I'd love to foget it!

LuvSox
08-04-2005, 12:13 AM
Anybody else remember Fat Jack Fisher's year with the Sox? I'd love to foget it!

Damn, one year before my birth. So no, I don't remember :D:

sox7235
08-04-2005, 12:14 AM
dave stieb
tim fortugno
jim abbott
jerry royster
gary redus
pat borders
tony pena
charlie o brien
fred manrique
steve sax
tim belcher

LuvSox
08-04-2005, 12:16 AM
steve sax


"Double plays are overrated" :D:

Man-o-man he used to drive me nuts.

Lip Man 1
08-04-2005, 12:38 AM
The 'ace' of the 1990 Sox staff was Jack McDowell with 14 wins. Eric King had the best winning percentage at 12-4.

Lip

ChiSoxKB83
08-04-2005, 12:53 AM
lefties Jim Parque and Mike Sirotka

Nellie_Fox
08-04-2005, 01:35 AM
I seem to recall Bobby Douglas pitching for us once too.:?:I don't think so. He pitched in the minors, but I don't think he ever appeared in a Sox game.

He had the same problem as a pitcher that he had as a quarterback; he could throw the hell out of the ball, but had very little idea where it was going.

Mercy!
08-04-2005, 01:42 AM
what about herbert perry
The Milk Man is NOT forgotten.:D:

I'll say Claude Osteen - for the 4 years he pitched with the Washington Senators, not the last year of his career (1975) with the Sox.

Falstaff
08-04-2005, 02:24 AM
John "Blue Moon" Odom - when is last time you thought of him?
Jerry Hairston (Sr.)
Ken Henderson - what the heck is he doing these days?
Ken Berry

StockdaleForVeep
08-04-2005, 02:31 AM
http://www.geocities.com/ldsceleb/christensen.jpg
"I proved the notion that white guys can run fast but cant hit, that podsednik can hit but can he run like me!?!?1"

and

http://www.susqu.edu/spotlight/karchner.jpg
"I was traded for Jon Garland, those fools!"

Sox Blue 69-70
08-04-2005, 03:13 AM
Does anyone remember Dan Pasqua?

Oh yes, very well! :D: Doesn't he still own the longest Sox home run in the new park (1991, off Eric Plunk)? I wonder what he is doing these days...

MisterB
08-04-2005, 03:24 AM
Must make a special mention of Mike "Spanky" Squires. Not only was he the first pure lefty to play catcher in umpteen years (back in 1980), but also made 14 appearances at 3b in his Sox career, which is just as rare.

C-Dawg
08-04-2005, 05:57 AM
What about that right-fielder we had, back in '90, '91.... Wore #25..... Sammy, something.... I forgot all about him; must've gone nowhere after the Sox

Maybe that shouldn't be in teal.

TornLabrum
08-04-2005, 06:30 AM
Dennis O'Toole

Wsoxmike59
08-04-2005, 07:01 AM
Lloyd Allen

Lee Maye

Bill Gogolewski

Tom Spencer

Ossie Blanco

Syd O'Brien (was he Jewish or Irish???) I never knew. :D:

TornLabrum
08-04-2005, 07:05 AM
Lloyd Allen

Lee Maye

Bill Gogolewski

Tom Spencer

Ossie Blanco

Syd O'Brien (was he Jewish or Irish???) I never knew. :D:

All I know is that his full name was Sydney Lloyd O'Brien, and Rich Lindberg pointed out that made his initials SLOB.

Madvora
08-04-2005, 07:37 AM
A lot of people forget about Kirk McKaskill. I love that photo of him and Karko at the 1993 clincher coming down the ramp at Comiskey.

How about Mike Deveraux?

LongLiveFisk
08-04-2005, 08:25 AM
:tomatoaward
My first tomato ever...

:hawk
YES!

socko82
08-04-2005, 08:31 AM
Anyone remember Shawn Abner??

RedHeadPaleHoser
08-04-2005, 08:42 AM
Oh yes, very well! :D: Doesn't he still own the longest Sox home run in the new park (1991, off Eric Plunk)? I wonder what he is doing these days...

Didn't his HR hit the old Marlboro sign in RF on the concourse? Was it Malboro?? I don't remember, since UPS didn't ship him cigarettes....

Fake Chet Lemon
08-04-2005, 08:43 AM
Wayne Nordhagen will always be associated with my greatest Sox memory- meeting him and shaking his hand in the eeeeearly '80s in Balmur. Long story short, my parents went to a game and jokingly said they were the founders of the "Wayne Nordhagen Fan Club." Wayne went ape that day, and my folks brought a banner to the next game out here (Balmur) saying "We want Walloping Wayne." Rumor has it that Julio Cruz gave him guff about it, pointing up and laughing. He met us after the game. I couldn't have been more than 5. Great memory I'll never forget. B/C of this, he'll always be one of my favorite, least forgotten Sox.

He met you because of a banner, that's a way cool story. :smile:

Sox Blue 69-70
08-04-2005, 08:57 AM
Didn't his HR hit the old Marlboro sign in RF on the concourse? Was it Malboro?? I don't remember, since UPS didn't ship him cigarettes....

I believe so, it's hard on my poor old tape to see exactly where the ball landed on that one and been awhile since I've watched it, unfortunately. It might have been a Winston sign, though.

LuvSox
08-04-2005, 09:00 AM
I believe so, it's hard on my poor old tape to see exactly where the ball landed on that one and been awhile since I've watched it, unfortunately. It might have been a Winston sign, though.

It was a Winston sign.

billnahorodny
08-04-2005, 09:11 AM
I can't possibly be the only one who remembers third baseman, Jim "no...not that one" Morrison

LongLiveFisk
08-04-2005, 09:17 AM
I can't possibly be the only one who remembers third baseman, Jim "no...not that one" Morrison

Oh I remember him. I also remember his teammate Greg Pryor. :D:

BedfordChisox
08-04-2005, 09:21 AM
Naha,


I remember Jim Morrison. I remember when he came to the Sox in the late 70s. He went on some kind of a home run tear towards the end of the season. I would watch the Sox highlights on Ray Rayner's show, and it seemed like he hit an HR in every game that September (I can't remember if it was '78 or '79). I thought he was destined to be a 30-HR a year guy... that's what drinking beer at an early age will do to you.

How come no one mentions Steve Carlton? I'm sure he's proud of his time in a Sox uniform. How about Tom Seaver? I remember that he was pissed about having to come to the Sox, but he was still a hell of a pitcher. Remember the flak that the Sox brass took for claiming him when Cincy was trying to work a deal to send him back to the Mets?

RedHeadPaleHoser
08-04-2005, 09:30 AM
It was a Winston sign.

Thank you...right cancer, wrong brand name.

wilburaga
08-04-2005, 09:30 AM
Brian 'Bam' McCall who, as a 19 year old outfielder in his first major league start, blasted two home runs in Yankee Stadium on the final day of the 1962 season. He never got another hit in the majors.

W

ChiSoxPatF
08-04-2005, 09:43 AM
What about my favorite player as a kid (besides Kittle and Walker), Melido Perez?

I still don't know why I liked him but oh well. Theres a new name for you.

Mark
08-04-2005, 09:45 AM
Some catchers: Mark Salas, Ricky Seilheimer, Bruce Kimm and Pete Varney (a tight end from Harvard)

Three pitchers: Bugsy Moran, Dave Frost and Rich Hinton

LongLiveFisk
08-04-2005, 09:48 AM
How come no one mentions Steve Carlton? I'm sure he's proud of his time in a Sox uniform. How about Tom Seaver? I remember that he was pissed about having to come to the Sox, but he was still a hell of a pitcher. Remember the flak that the Sox brass took for claiming him when Cincy was trying to work a deal to send him back to the Mets?

Oh but what about this one: GEORGE FOSTER. A short stint back in '86!

Paulwny
08-04-2005, 09:58 AM
ss-- Bill Almon

p- - Steve "Rainbow" Trout
c-- J. C. Martin
p-- Dave DeBusschere

Sox Blue 69-70
08-04-2005, 09:59 AM
Gerry Janeski

Billy Wynne

Paul Edmondson

Don Secrist

Donnie Hill

tlebar318
08-04-2005, 10:02 AM
We had Jim Kearn and Sparky Lyle when their careers were about shot back in the 80's also...The Sox were good for doing this back then...my favorite forgotten player though has to be Kevin Bell, third baseman I think in 1976?

Sox Blue 69-70
08-04-2005, 10:04 AM
Edit: that's ok DropoFan. Now, Walt Dropo, who the heck remembers him?

Well, I'll never forget seeing the photo of Enos Slaughter, blooding and Yankees uniform torn, after tangling with Dropo in 1956 or 1957, I believe.

DarkCloudDropo
08-04-2005, 10:14 AM
Jim Derrington

whitesoxfan1986
08-04-2005, 10:16 AM
Lorenzo Barcelo

white sox bill
08-04-2005, 10:30 AM
Junior Moore from maybe 1980?

Sargeant79
08-04-2005, 10:36 AM
Here's a name that I don't think I've seen yet: Steve Lyons

Anyone remember when he absentmindedly dropped his pants to dust himself off after a slide into first? I think it was around 1990.

skottyj242
08-04-2005, 10:38 AM
Charlie Hough
Doug Drabek

Willie Harris

HITMEN OF 77
08-04-2005, 10:41 AM
Dennis O'Toole

I always liked how the Sox yearbooks and media guides hyped him up to be a great pitcher, which was kind of tough since he only pitched in 20 or so games over 4 seasons.

Steakpita
08-04-2005, 10:44 AM
Not sure if these are recent enough to qualify for teal or not, but...

Kelly Wunsch (now with Dodgers)

Jeff Liefer (now w/ Indians)




Ross Gload

HITMEN OF 77
08-04-2005, 10:44 AM
Gerry Janeski

Billy Wynne

Paul Edmondson

Don Secrist

Donnie Hill

Some of my favorites there. I have a pair of game worn home pants from Janeski circa 1969.

I wonder how good a pitcher Edmondson could have been....??

IUPeterman
08-04-2005, 10:52 AM
Vance Law

When I was a kid, I always got his baseball card confused with Ron Kittle's cause they both had glasses. :D:

Tom~Attitude
08-04-2005, 10:59 AM
One favorite of mine back in the late 80's was Ivan Calderon. He wore lots of gold chains. He actually jingled when he ran from the dugout to the field. Sadly he passed a couple years ago.

TheLittleBulldog
08-04-2005, 11:11 AM
You mean "the bulldog"?

How about Donn Pall, Scott Radinsky, Warren Newsome...


Heck, check this out...year by year rosters. (http://www.baseball-almanac.com/teamstats/roster.php?y=1995&t=CHA) Just change the year in the link.

"The Pope", Rad, and "The Deacon"

TheLittleBulldog
08-04-2005, 11:14 AM
I also didn't see The Little Hurt, Craig Grebeck, come up in the posts. Ozzie and Grebeck went deep, back-to-back, off Nolan Ryan in 1990. Grebeck was plunked the next time up by the cowardly Ryan.

EastCoastSoxFan
08-04-2005, 11:15 AM
Bruce Tanner (son of Chuck).
I think he came up in '85, won his first start, had arm troubles, and wasn't heard from again.
But I'm sure someone can check me on that...

Malgar 12
08-04-2005, 11:22 AM
anybody remember Willie Harris?:D:

Sox Blue 69-70
08-04-2005, 11:31 AM
Some of my favorites there. I have a pair of game worn home pants from Janeski circa 1969.

I wonder how good a pitcher Edmondson could have been....??

I saw a game-worn Janeski home jersey on eBay a year or two ago, but the bidding got a little rich for my blood.

That was tragic about Edmondson...the Sox sure could have used him in those years, too.

TomBradley72
08-04-2005, 11:36 AM
[QUOTE=eastchicagosoxfa] Salome Barojes ( sic ) played on the 1983 team. QUOTE]

Ernesto Escarrega!

MarySwiss
08-04-2005, 11:38 AM
Here's a name that I don't think I've seen yet: Steve Lyons

Anyone remember when he absentmindedly dropped his pants to dust himself off after a slide into first? I think it was around 1990.

That was hysterical. I also remember him saying, when the Sox got him in a trade for Tom Seaver, that he'd be best-known as an answer to a trivia question!

How about Jim Spencer and Alan Bannister?

Orta 4-6-3
08-04-2005, 11:38 AM
Bob Spence. Tim Nordbrook. Oscar Gamble's second tour with the Sox.

Tommy Davis and Cleon Jones had brief White Sox stints.

Brian26
08-04-2005, 11:43 AM
We had Jim Kearn and Sparky Lyle when their careers were about shot back in the 80's also...The Sox were good for doing this back then...my favorite forgotten player though has to be Kevin Bell, third baseman I think in 1976?

The '83 Topps set had a Kern and a Lyle card for the Sox, meaning they both played for the team towards the end of '82. I think Kern blew his arm out in the first series against Texas in '83 and was never heard from again. I can't remember though if Lyle played with the '83 team in spring training. He may have retired after the '82 season.

wilburaga
08-04-2005, 11:43 AM
then there's 1961 pitcher Alan Brice, one of a handful of pitchers to retire with a losing record (0-1) without ever giving up an earned run.



W

Brian26
08-04-2005, 11:53 AM
Bob Fallon. Cup-of-coffee reliever with the '84 team.

Andy T Clown
08-04-2005, 11:58 AM
How about Barry Jones. He bought us a round of beers in Fat Alberts after the first Turn Back the Clock day.:gulp:

He left with a 12 pack.

nodiggity59
08-04-2005, 12:12 PM
Can I get a Warren Newson up in here? :D:

bobwsx
08-04-2005, 12:15 PM
:nolanventura I also didn't see The Little Hurt, Craig Grebeck, come up in the posts. Ozzie and Grebeck went deep, back-to-back, off Nolan Ryan in 1990. Grebeck was plunked the next time up by the cowardly Ryan. good thing he didn't charge the mound!

HITMEN OF 77
08-04-2005, 12:16 PM
I saw a game-worn Janeski home jersey on eBay a year or two ago, but the bidding got a little rich for my blood.



It amazes me, that some of the lesser known Sox players jerseys from 1968-1972 go for as much as they do. I remember bidding on that Janeski, but I got outbid. There was a '70 Don Eddy road on there a few months back that went for over $650 I couldn't believe it. I think the market is that dried up of Sox flannels that the lesser knowns and for that matter, guys who only played a handful of games are going for big $$$.

bobwsx
08-04-2005, 12:18 PM
Cory Snyder...Will Cordero.....John Kruk(lol)

Brian26
08-04-2005, 12:21 PM
How about Barry Jones. He bought us a round of beers in Fat Alberts after the first Turn Back the Clock day.:gulp:

He left with a 12 pack.

Barry was out drinking after he blew that game? :angry:

BigEdWalsh
08-04-2005, 12:23 PM
Ron Northey, a great pinch-hitter in 1956. Smokey Burgess. Don Mossi (the ugliest baseball player EVER). Charlie "Paw Paw" Maxwell. Gene Stephens. Gene Freese. Turk Lown. Cotton Nash. Angel Bravo. Art Kusyner (who of course isn't forgotten), who remembers seeing him play? Steve Hamilton. Moe Drabowski.
Wayne Granger. Leon Wagner. Mike Joyce. Warren Hacker. Jim Lemon.

Lip Man 1
08-04-2005, 12:25 PM
This and that:

The Steve Lyons 'I can't believe I did that' pants episode took place in Detroit in July 1990.

'Sparky' Lyle pitched well for the Sox in September 1982 when he was claimed off waivers by Roland Hemond along with Kern and Warren Brusstar (who then was part of the big deal with the Cubs.) Hemond hoped both Lyle and Kern would be the closers on the 1983 team but Lyle retired and Kern blew out his elbow ending his career in the second game of the 1983 season at Texas. Lyle appeared in 11 September games with a save and a ERA of 3.00.

The game where Ozzie and Grebeck went back to back off Ryan was on August 10, 1990 the second game of a double header in Chicago the Sox swept both. Just another example of that miracle season!

Lip

socko82
08-04-2005, 12:45 PM
I remember this washed up thirdbaseman who finished up with the Sox and actually ended up playing alot of second base. I think his name was Ron Santo.

CiscoCarlos
08-04-2005, 12:59 PM
My Pitching Heroes (all with careers unfortunately limited by lack of run support)

Bob Priddy (3-11 in 1968)
Fred Klages (5-4 lifetime, '66-67, but lifetime 3.25 era)
My namesake Cisco Carlos pitched great in 67 (2-0, 0.86) including a big win over the Red Sox in September. But dropped off to 4-14, 3.91 in 1968. Cisco now runs a successful kitchen cabinet and bathroom supply shop in Phoenix with his son Chris!

As for early 70s heroes, Stan Perzanowski and Steve Kealey.

And finally, Gerry Nyman came oh so close to no-hitting the Washington Senators on a cloudy Saturday afternoon in 1969. It was a one-hitter (a cheapie at that). Nyman took matters into his own hands, winning the game for the Sox with a bases-clearing triple and outpitching Camilio Pascual.

Interlake
08-04-2005, 01:01 PM
Post your forgotten Sox players (and by that I mean YOU remember them but almost everyone else forgot about them!)

I remember Kelly Paris and Pat Keedy (sp?) from about '86-'87. Nobody remembers them but hey, at least they have a good story to tell their kids!

I was at Kelly Paris's greatest game. I was on vacation with my family in Seattle and the Sox were at the Kingdome.

Kelly blasted 2 home runs that game.

Checking out baseball reference, it appears he only had 3 in his career.

Even then we were pretty sure that this game would be his career highlight.

But he's a White Sox legend in our family!

VeeckAsInWreck
08-04-2005, 01:06 PM
Ken Hill - he had one quality start for us in 2000. I'm not a stat-head but an ERA of 24.00 is good right?

My favorite obscure players are

Scott Radinsky -missed '94 season with Hodgkins
Dan Pasqua -I remember that "Sledgehammer" by Peter Gabriel would be played for his at bats.

HITMEN OF 77
08-04-2005, 01:11 PM
My Pitching Heroes (all with careers unfortunately limited by lack of run support)

Bob Priddy (3-11 in 1968)
Fred Klages (5-4 lifetime, '66-67, but lifetime 3.25 era)
My namesake Cisco Carlos pitched great in 67 (2-0, 0.86) including a big win over the Red Sox in September. But dropped off to 4-14, 3.91 in 1968. Cisco now runs a successful kitchen cabinet and bathroom supply shop in Phoenix with his son Chris!

As for early 70s heroes, Stan Perzanowski and Steve Kealey.

And finally, Gerry Nyman came oh so close to no-hitting the Washington Senators on a cloudy Saturday afternoon in 1969. It was a one-hitter (a cheapie at that). Nyman took matters into his own hands, winning the game for the Sox with a bases-clearing triple and outpitching Camilio Pascual.

Nice call on Gerry Nyman, I had forgotten about him. He was actually a really good pitcher.

white sox bill
08-04-2005, 01:13 PM
Anyone remember Lloyd Allen? 1974 I think...am I feeling old!

Brian26
08-04-2005, 01:15 PM
Anyone remember Lloyd Allen? 1974 I think...am I feeling old!

I'm too young to remember Lloyd, but I remember Neil Allen on the Sox in '85/'86. He seemed to have the wickedest curve ball I've ever seen.

white sox bill
08-04-2005, 01:18 PM
I'm too young to remember Lloyd, but I remember Neil Allen on the Sox in '85/'86. He seemed to have the wickedest curve ball I've ever seen.

Yes I remember him too...didn't he end up as a Met? Then there was another Allen, who played first base in 70's, he wasn't very good though...:smile:

Nixey 02
08-04-2005, 01:22 PM
some names from the '90's

(apologies for any repeats)

Mike LaValliere
Jeff Schwarz
Jose DeLeon
Nelson Santovenia
Dale Sveum
Brian Drahman
Terry Leach
Larry Thomas
Brian Keyser
Dave Righetti
Danny Tartabull
Chad Kreuter
:smile:

SOXSINCE'70
08-04-2005, 01:22 PM
I forgot about the Shawns (Abner and Hillegas).And,of course,
Cory Snyder.:D: :D: :D: :D: .And there's always Eric King.:rolleyes:

ja1022
08-04-2005, 01:49 PM
Lots of great old names....didn't see these:
Rudy Law, Brooks Fordyce, Bill Simas, Jason Bere, Robert Machado, Dave Gallagher, Craig Wilson, Joel Skinner, Jamie Quirk, and...........and..........

Norberto7
08-04-2005, 01:51 PM
Mostly recent vintage:

Lyle Mouton,Bob Zupzic(sp??),Norberto Martin,Ramon Garcia,
and,of course,Rodney Bolton and Scott Ruffcorn.:D: :D: :D:

:o:

Norberto7
08-04-2005, 01:58 PM
I don't think I saw....McKay Christensen!

russ99
08-04-2005, 02:22 PM
My 2 faves:

Harry Chappas
Juan Agosto (disgusto)

StockdaleForVeep
08-04-2005, 02:37 PM
A few more

(already listed, mckay christensen, matt karchner)

Brook Fordyce, david wells(he was on our team?) Sirotka(he still with the cubs?)
ron karkovice
John Kruk
Matt Ginter
Danny Tartabull
Norberto Martin
robert machado
Chris snopeck
Bill simas
steve sax

StockdaleForVeep
08-04-2005, 02:38 PM
I don't think I saw....McKay Christensen!

http://www.geocities.com/ldsceleb/christensen.jpg
"Oh yeah, i was mentioned, my career with the sox was quicker than my speed"

Sox Blue 69-70
08-04-2005, 05:24 PM
I was at Kelly Paris's greatest game. I was on vacation with my family in Seattle and the Sox were at the Kingdome.

Kelly blasted 2 home runs that game.

Checking out baseball reference, it appears he only had 3 in his career.

Even then we were pretty sure that this game would be his career highlight.

But he's a White Sox legend in our family!

I remember listening to that game on the radio called by Lorn Brown and Del Crandall. I seem to remember there was a contingent of Sox fans there chanting Kel-ly! Kel-ly! for him, too.

And, no list pertaining to this topic would be complete without the one of original Sox with my favorite nickname...William "Dummy" Hoy.

TornLabrum
08-04-2005, 05:46 PM
What about my favorite player as a kid (besides Kittle and Walker), Melido Perez?

I still don't know why I liked him but oh well. Theres a new name for you.

We must have seen Melido pitch a half dozen times one year, and every time either Jeff or I would speculate, "I wonder if it'll be good Melido or bad Melido out there today."

TornLabrum
08-04-2005, 05:47 PM
Well, I'll never forget seeing the photo of Enos Slaughter, blooding and Yankees uniform torn, after tangling with Dropo in 1956 or 1957, I believe.

I was at that game. It was a wonder to behold when Slaughter made his way to the Yankee dugout.

TornLabrum
08-04-2005, 05:51 PM
Virgil "Fire" Trucks

BigEdWalsh
08-04-2005, 05:56 PM
Virgil "Fire" Trucks

Clint "Scrap Iron" Courtney

Sox Blue 69-70
08-04-2005, 06:01 PM
We must have seen Melido pitch a half dozen times one year, and every time either Jeff or I would speculate, "I wonder if it'll be good Melido or bad Melido out there today."

He pitched a gem of a game I was at in the Twinkiedome in June 1988, but when he was "off," and especially if Pudge was behind the plate, it seemed like you could count on a three-hour game easily.

bobwsx
08-04-2005, 07:27 PM
A few more

(already listed, mckay christensen, matt karchner)

Brook Fordyce, david wells(he was on our team?) Sirotka(he still with the cubs?)
ron karkovice
John Kruk
Matt Ginter
Danny Tartabull
Norberto Martin
robert machado
Chris snopeck
Bill simas
steve sax lol matt karchner i installed an alarm for him when he was on the cubs...he must have smoked a pack of smokes..he also received a dinner invite from donn pall while i was there.he was a super cool guy he even bitched about baylor and riggleman.i forgot all about it till i saw his name.

Norberto7
08-04-2005, 09:15 PM
http://www.geocities.com/ldsceleb/christensen.jpg
"Oh yeah, i was mentioned, my career with the sox was quicker than my speed"

Haha, yeah the only reason I remember him is because I was at a game where he was in center and a fan a few rows behind me was continuously serenading him with chants of "Christensen sucks.......!"

Apparently, the guy was pretty astute.

MikeW
08-04-2005, 09:15 PM
Thought I would throw out a few that I didn't see;

John Buzhardt, a real good pitcher for us that everyone seems to have forgotten about.
Hugh Yancy, who was always being called up late in the season.
Mike Hershberger, one of my all time favorites.
Jim Hicks and Joe Hicks who won't sign autographs and no they are not related.
Jim Geddes and Dave Lemonds.
Chuck Brinkman who is Eddie Brinkman's little brother.
Deacon Jones, who would have made a great designated hitter and was a very good hitting coach.
Dom Zanni who came over in the Pierce trade with the Giants.

Biftek354
08-04-2005, 09:37 PM
Chris snopeck was a good one. what about Jeff Liefer, whos autograph i got at the hall of fame game in cooperstown against the rockies. Cal eldred?

howzer12
08-04-2005, 11:53 PM
Jose Paniagua:mad:

LongLiveFisk
08-05-2005, 09:36 AM
Thought I would throw out a few that I didn't see;

John Buzhardt, a real good pitcher for us that everyone seems to have forgotten about.
Hugh Yancy, who was always being called up late in the season.
Mike Hershberger, one of my all time favorites.
Jim Hicks and Joe Hicks who won't sign autographs and no they are not related.
Jim Geddes and Dave Lemonds.
Chuck Brinkman who is Eddie Brinkman's little brother.
Deacon Jones, who would have made a great designated hitter and was a very good hitting coach.
Dom Zanni who came over in the Pierce trade with the Giants.

Now those are REALLY forgotten Sox! (Because I don't remember any of them) :D:

tstrike2000
08-05-2005, 10:53 AM
To spare Officer Karkovice we also had Jorge Fabregas at backup C.
Tony Bernazard 2B
Ron LeFlore OF
Britt Burns P
Dennis Lamp P
Mike "Spanky" Squires IF
Chris Sabo!!

BigEdWalsh
08-05-2005, 10:54 AM
Now those are REALLY forgotten Sox! (Because I don't remember any of them) :D:
You were about 5 years old when Yancy made his last of 3 brief appearances. As for the rest of 'em, I doubt if you were even born.
On the subject of Hugh Yancy, he reminds me of Leo Sutherland. For some reason I get those two mixed up.:dunno:

StockdaleForVeep
08-05-2005, 12:54 PM
Chris snopeck was a good one. what about Jeff Liefer, whos autograph i got at the hall of fame game in cooperstown against the rockies. Cal eldred?

I believe liefer still owns one of the longest hr's at comiskey and has the current longest at Camden

Hullett_Fan
08-05-2005, 01:10 PM
Great Thread!

How about...

George Foster and Steve Carlton from 87 team

Freddie Manrique
Ricky Horton
Dave LaPoint

Hangar18
08-05-2005, 01:59 PM
Jack McDowell
Bo Jackson
Frank Thomas
Lance Johnson
Robin Ventura

These guys were really good, but the Media has chosen to IGNORE them
for the simple fact they played for the White Sox and not the Cubs. How many
ex-Cubs, even ex-Cubs that only played here for 1 season, are still
revered and talked about by the Media? Ridiculous

StockdaleForVeep
08-05-2005, 02:02 PM
Jack McDowell
Bo Jackson
Frank Thomas
Lance Johnson
Robin Ventura

These guys were really good, but the Media has chosen to IGNORE them
for the simple fact they played for the White Sox and not the Cubs. How many
ex-Cubs, even ex-Cubs that only played here for 1 season, are still
revered and talked about by the Media? Ridiculous

Local media or national media? Jack is still a name in the sports world and was workin with yahoo for a while. And um...well Bo was marketing pumpkin pies

LongLiveFisk
08-05-2005, 02:11 PM
Great Thread!

How about...

George Foster and Steve Carlton from 87 team

Freddie Manrique
Ricky Horton
Dave LaPoint

I actually mentioned Foster, but I said '86. Was it '87? :?:

Hangar18
08-05-2005, 02:27 PM
Local media or national media? Jack is still a name in the sports world and was workin with yahoo for a while. And um...well Bo was marketing pumpkin pies


Sorry .......LOCAL media is what I meant. If these guys were Cubs ....
believe it theyd be covered and glorified in the local rags here

IUPeterman
08-05-2005, 05:20 PM
Russ Morman


IIRC, I was at his first game and he hit a homer...Dunno what happened to him after that season (maybe '87-88)

Pasqua's Posers
08-05-2005, 06:57 PM
me and my boy always talk about this. We throw out names as to who is the WORST pickup the Sox have ever made or a player they signed.


Up until mid 2003, I always said without a doubt it was Ken Hill in 2000. That guy was horrible. I was in seattle in August of that year and when the SOx brought him into the game, I knew it was over.

I thought he was the worst UNTIL....(drum roll, please).....

JOSE PANIAGUA

LongLiveFisk
08-05-2005, 08:50 PM
Russ Morman


IIRC, I was at his first game and he hit a homer...Dunno what happened to him after that season (maybe '87-88)

Oohh..good one. I had totally forgotten about him. First baseman, right?

DarkCloudDropo
08-05-2005, 11:11 PM
me and my boy always talk about this. We throw out names as to who is the WORST pickup the Sox have ever made or a player they signed.


Up until mid 2003, I always said without a doubt it was Ken Hill in 2000. That guy was horrible. I was in seattle in August of that year and when the SOx brought him into the game, I knew it was over.

I thought he was the worst UNTIL....(drum roll, please).....

JOSE PANIAGUA

If you want pure Sox disaster from both a player and a financial standpoint they won't get much worse than Jaime Navarro.

He gone
08-05-2005, 11:46 PM
Russ Morman


IIRC, I was at his first game and he hit a homer...Dunno what happened to him after that season (maybe '87-88)
Me too :D: I remember telling my buddy that if he makes it big we'll always be able to tell the story about being there for his 1st game and 1st homer.

How come no one has mentioned Marvis Foley :?: catcher from the late 70s.

gaelhound
08-06-2005, 01:52 AM
Pat Kelly was a good man, very fan friendly (used to wave at us in the lower deck bleachers). Not a bad right fielder or hitter either.
My Dad and I had my Grandma Murphy convinced thet Pat Kelly was from the old sod.
It kept Grandma happy while we watched the game. We had a lot of explaining to do after Grandma caught a clear view of Pat taking a lead off first one day. I think my Dad said something about the Spainish Armada washing up on the West Coast of Ireland. Pat Kelly,My only foul ball.

MarkM2112
08-06-2005, 03:40 AM
I remember that at my first SOX game at the old park, they brought in a new kid to play LF... some guy named Bobby Bonilla...

jerry
08-06-2005, 08:10 AM
Remember Francisco "Cisco" Carlos, who had a great Sept call-up in the late 60's, early 70's(??). He was touted as a rookie of the year candidate the next year (the year I think Bench won the award in the NL.) He went around the league once and was figured out. Also a third baseman from the early 70's who only played one season...red hair and a bad ball player Sydney O'Brien....:smile:

IUPeterman
08-06-2005, 11:16 AM
Oohh..good one. I had totally forgotten about him. First baseman, right?

Yep. I did a google search on Russ Morman and saw he was/is managing the Kane County Cougars. That was a really cool debut game. Like hegone said, I thought "Man this guy is gonna be AWESOME" then...

HITMEN OF 77
08-06-2005, 12:04 PM
Remember Francisco "Cisco" Carlos, who had a great Sept call-up in the late 60's, early 70's(??). He was touted as a rookie of the year candidate the next year (the year I think Bench won the award in the NL.) He went around the league once and was figured out. Also a third baseman from the early 70's who only played one season...red hair and a bad ball player Sydney O'Brien....:smile:

I think Cisco was even on the cover of SI.

LongLiveFisk
08-06-2005, 12:20 PM
Yep. I did a google search on Russ Morman and saw he was/is managing the Kane County Cougars. That was a really cool debut game. Like hegone said, I thought "Man this guy is gonna be AWESOME" then...

Oh I thought he was gonna be really good too. Not awesome, but good. I guess the joke was on us!

TornLabrum
08-06-2005, 12:23 PM
Yep. I did a google search on Russ Morman and saw he was/is managing the Kane County Cougars. That was a really cool debut game. Like hegone said, I thought "Man this guy is gonna be AWESOME" then...

Morman managed the Cougars maybe 4-5 years ago, when they were still an affiliate of the Marlins. He recently won a fan poll as the greatest Cougars manager in their 15 years. He led them to their only MWL championship.

my5thbench
08-06-2005, 03:51 PM
comisk....Rodney McCrae's crash was featured on ESPN last week & he

talked about it....it was great

how about Fred Manrique, too tall & skinny with bad eye glasses,

played next to Ozzie for awhile methinks

my5thbench
08-06-2005, 04:01 PM
Labrum, my dad was at that game with the Slaughter & Drapo fight, said it


was the wildest thing he ever saw, I thought he said that Billy Martin got his

butt kicked as well....oh well can't ask him now RIP Dad

Brian26
08-06-2005, 04:02 PM
Up until mid 2003, I always said without a doubt it was Ken Hill in 2000. That guy was horrible. I was in seattle in August of that year and when the SOx brought him into the game, I knew it was over.

I'll never forget Hill in Anaheim (I think this was the debacle before the Sox cut him loose the next day) when Manuel came out to pull him. Hill was laughing about it on the mound like it was a joke. What a clown.

TornLabrum
08-06-2005, 04:04 PM
Labrum, my dad was at that game with the Slaughter & Drapo fight, said it


was the wildest thing he ever saw, I thought he said that Billy Martin got his

butt kicked as well....oh well can't ask him now RIP Dad

I don't remember Martin. The reason I remember Slaughter is because my dad pointed him out as Dropo was beating him and then as he went into the dugout.

Lip Man 1
08-06-2005, 04:17 PM
Hal:

When the fight appeared to be dying down, Martin charged out of the dugout and started throwing punches again. Perhaps someone from the field yelled something to him but he was a big part of the 25 minute brawl.

Lip

TornLabrum
08-06-2005, 04:21 PM
Hal:

When the fight appeared to be dying down, Martin charged out of the dugout and started throwing punches again. Perhaps someone from the field yelled something to him but he was a big part of the 25 minute brawl.

Lip

That part I remember, but I was 7 years old at the time and couldn't tell you whether or not it was Martin 48 years after the fact. There was a lot going on to try to follow!

FredManrique
08-06-2005, 04:29 PM
comisk....Rodney McCrae's crash was featured on ESPN last week & he

talked about it....it was great

how about Fred Manrique, too tall & skinny with bad eye glasses,

played next to Ozzie for awhile methinks

Great to see the inspiration for my moniker getting some love, Fred Manrique.

Fred was the forgotten man in the legendary Harold Baines for Sosa, Alvarez and Fletcher deal.

I tend to think of that one as two seperate deals: Baines for Sosa, and Manrique for Fletcher and Alvarez!

http://www.joesportsfan.com/Manrique.jpg

my5thbench
08-06-2005, 04:46 PM
didn't Dropo pull Slaughter's jersey up over his head, ala recent hockey

fights & then beat him bloody?

Dad thought he took me to my 1st game that day but he was wrong, I

didn't get to Comiskey until June of 1960 against the Yanks...got a great

black penant which said 1959 American League champs & had a full color

team photo...hung in my brother's & my bedroom for years, no idea

where it is now

LongLiveFisk
08-06-2005, 06:15 PM
:tomatoaward :tomatoaward

eastchicagosoxfan
08-06-2005, 06:16 PM
That was hysterical. I also remember him saying, when the Sox got him in a trade for Tom Seaver, that he'd be best-known as an answer to a trivia question!

How about Jim Spencer and Alan Bannister?
Wasn't Seaver a free agent, or was he left unprotected by the Mets, and was signed by the Sox.

LongLiveFisk
08-06-2005, 06:17 PM
Great to see the inspiration for my moniker getting some love, Fred Manrique.

I remember Freddy very well and as I recall he played some pretty good "d" over at 2B. He was a good double-play man.

TommyJohn
08-06-2005, 06:24 PM
me and my boy always talk about this. We throw out names as to who is the WORST pickup the Sox have ever made or a player they signed.


Up until mid 2003, I always said without a doubt it was Ken Hill in 2000. That guy was horrible. I was in seattle in August of that year and when the SOx brought him into the game, I knew it was over.

I thought he was the worst UNTIL....(drum roll, please).....

JOSE PANIAGUA


You obviously don't remember Mike Stanton from the 1985 Sox. He was,
without a shred of doubt in my mind, the worst player I have ever seen
in a White Sox uniform, and he only lasted a few games. I'll always
remember two in particular: in Baltimore, Bob James had a 6-3 lead with
two out in the 9th. He then injured himself throwing a pitch and had to
leave the game. Stanton came in and DID NOT retire a single batter. He
topped it off by giving up a 3 run homer to Fred Lynn. Orioles 7, White
Sox 6.

Then there was a game in August against the Yankees, the same one
where Fisk tagged out two runners in the same play. The Sox were up
5-3 with 2 outs in the bottom of the 10th when Gerry Don Gleaton walked
a batter. Tony "The Revered Genius" LaRussa then decided, for some
strange reason, to bring in Stanton to face Dave Winfield. It was because
Stanton was righthanded, I guess. Never mind that the guy was a complete
disaster. Winfield worked the count full (or to 2-2) and slammed a game-
tying home run. He pumped his arms in the air at Stanton as the ball flew
out. Stanton somehow managed to strike out Mike Pagliarulo (sp?) who
must've practically ran up to the plate. In the top of the 11th Ozzie Guillen
scored the go-ahead run and Juan (Disgusto) Agosto got the final three
outs.

Mike Stanton. BUH-RU-TAL.

MarySwiss
08-06-2005, 06:33 PM
Wasn't Seaver a free agent, or was he left unprotected by the Mets, and was signed by the Sox.

No, IIRC Seaver wanted to be traded to an East Coast team, and the Sox granted his wish. Pretty sure it was Seaver for Lyons even up.

LongLiveFisk
08-06-2005, 07:53 PM
You obviously don't remember Mike Stanton from the 1985 Sox. He was,
without a shred of doubt in my mind, the worst player I have ever seen
in a White Sox uniform, and he only lasted a few games. I'll always
remember two in particular: in Baltimore, Bob James had a 6-3 lead with
two out in the 9th. He then injured himself throwing a pitch and had to
leave the game. Stanton came in and DID NOT retire a single batter. He
topped it off by giving up a 3 run homer to Fred Lynn. Orioles 7, White
Sox 6.

Then there was a game in August against the Yankees, the same one
where Fisk tagged out two runners in the same play. The Sox were up
5-3 with 2 outs in the bottom of the 10th when Gerry Don Gleaton walked
a batter. Tony "The Revered Genius" LaRussa then decided, for some
strange reason, to bring in Stanton to face Dave Winfield. It was because
Stanton was righthanded, I guess. Never mind that the guy was a complete
disaster. Winfield worked the count full (or to 2-2) and slammed a game-
tying home run. He pumped his arms in the air at Stanton as the ball flew
out. Stanton somehow managed to strike out Mike Pagliarulo (sp?) who
must've practically ran up to the plate. In the top of the 11th Ozzie Guillen
scored the go-ahead run and Juan (Disgusto) Agosto got the final three
outs.

Mike Stanton. BUH-RU-TAL.

OH MY GOD, you are right. I remember those games and yes, he sucked bigtime. Suck is not even a strong enough word. I almost broke my tv set after his disasters, and I was only 14 then. I couldn't believe anyone who sucked that much could make it to the majors. I think there was another guy in the majors later with the same name and I almost flipped, thinking it was the same guy.

Only Bill Koch's more recent string of blown saves resemble what he did, but at least Koch had some success.

Brian26
08-06-2005, 08:15 PM
You obviously don't remember Mike Stanton from the 1985 Sox. He was,
without a shred of doubt in my mind, the worst player I have ever seen
in a White Sox uniform, and he only lasted a few games. I'll always
remember two in particular: in Baltimore, Bob James had a 6-3 lead with
two out in the 9th. He then injured himself throwing a pitch and had to
leave the game. Stanton came in and DID NOT retire a single batter. He
topped it off by giving up a 3 run homer to Fred Lynn. Orioles 7, White
Sox 6.

This particular game was almost the genesis for the idea of having Ken Harrelson become the GM. At the end of the game, both Drysdale and Harrelson were both just complaining like crazy that the Sox didn't have anyone else to call in from the pen in this situation. That was one of the worst losses of the 80's for the White Sox. I'll put that one right up there with Disco Dan Ford's 297' homerun down the right field line in Baltimore to spoil a Richard Dotson masterpiece (2-hit shutout up to that point?) in '82 or '83.

starboy0
08-06-2005, 10:02 PM
If I remember right, Wayne had to come in and actually pitch a couple of innings of a game as we had gone through all our pitchers.

He only gave a run or two!

As a youngster for some reason I always thought Wayne Nordhagen was awesome. But as a guy who played for the team for a fairly long stint, I've never heard anyone tell their favorite Wayne Nordhagen moment. Or ANY Wayne Nordhagen moment.

starboy0
08-06-2005, 10:12 PM
Francisco Barrios. I can still hear Harry pronouncing his name.

TornLabrum
08-06-2005, 10:22 PM
didn't Dropo pull Slaughter's jersey up over his head, ala recent hockey

fights & then beat him bloody?

I don't remember exactly that part of it. I remember him beating up on slaughter but I don't have a great visual image of it. My main images are of the start where Doby yelled at Ditmar, Ditmar approached Doby, Doby met him and then the benches cleared. I remember a lot of people strewn all over the place. I remember seeing Dropo pretty much pummelling Slaughter.

I remember my dad pointing out Slaughter going back to the Yankees dugout. His shirt was completely off and his cap was turned sideways. (We were behind the home dugout in what were then reserved grandstand seats behind the Sox dugout, behind the aisle that separated what were later called the golden boxes from the regular boxes--so our seats were the later regular boxes).

I remember somebody (Lip informs me it was Martin) coming out and taking some punches at one of the Sox players, and the whole thing erupting again.

BigEdWalsh
08-06-2005, 10:27 PM
If I remember right, Wayne had to come in and actually pitch a couple of innings of a game as we had gone through all our pitchers.

He only gave a run or two!

He actually pitched in 2 games. Sadly, he ended his career with the Flubs.

Lip Man 1
08-06-2005, 10:47 PM
This and that:

On the big Sox / Yankees brawl this is what I have found...the brawl took place on June 13, 1957. The Sox had split the first two games of the series as both teams were fighting for first place.

Billy Pierce faced Art Ditmar. In the first inning Ditmar threw at Larry Doby's head with a high inside fastball with two strikes. When Ditmar's pitch rolled to the screen he came towards home to cover the base. Doby issued him a warning. Ditmar told Doby where he could take that warning. Doby then threw a mean left hook at Ditmar after according to Doby, Ditmar made a racial remark. To his dying day Doby repeated that the comment was racially motivated. Ditmar denied he made any type of racial remark.

Once Doby threw his punch, both dugouts emptied. Moose Skowron leaped on Doby which brought Walt Dropo into the fray. Dropo was a huge guy for the time, something like 6-6. At various times Whitey Ford, Casey Stengel, Jungle Jim Rivera, and Enos Slaughter were involved in the thirty minute fight. Hal is correct about Slaughter's jersey being ripped to pieces and his hat knocked askew.

After order had been restored Martin charged out of the dugout rushing Doby which began round two.

Doby, Dropo, Slaughter and Martin were thrown out but oddly enough Ditmar, the guy who threw the pitch at Doby's head was allowed to remain in the game and got the 4-3 win. After the game Chuck Comiskey was quoted as saying, there 'were two sets of rules in the league,' one for New York and one for everybody else.

Rgarding Tom Seaver, I may be wrong but I think the Sox claimed him as 'compensation' for losing a player to free agency. In those days teams were allowed to 'protect' 15 guys on the roster. If you lost a player to free agency you were allowed to select anyone else you wanted out of the 'unprotected' pool. It was in this exact same fashion that when the Sox lost Steve Kemp after 1982 they threatened to grab Fergie Jenkins from the Cubs. Dallas Greene immediately agreed to a deal with Roland Hemond. Part of it was a 'promise' the Sox would not take Jenkins. That was the trade where the Sox got Scott Fletcher and others.

By the way I just checked and that is how the Sox got him. The Mets felt no body would want him so they didn't protect him. They were wrong.

Regarding Richard Dotson's game in Baltimore. It was more agonizing then Brian remembers. Dotson tossed a one hitter and lost 1-0. The game was on May 18th.

Lip

Brian26
08-06-2005, 11:22 PM
Regarding Tom Seaver, I may be wrong but I think the Sox claimed him as 'compensation' for losing a player to free agency.

You're correct, and I believe Seaver was compensation for the loss of Dennis Lamp to Toronto after the '83 season. The Sox actually made out pretty well.

RadioheadRocks
08-07-2005, 12:18 AM
I could be wrong, but I haven't seen these names from the 80s listed here yet:


Mike Woodard
Rodney Craig
John Pawlowski
Joel Davis
Tom Brennan (a/k/a the "Grey Flamingo")

and (drumroll please...)...

JERRY DON GLEATON!!!!!

pinwheels3530
08-07-2005, 03:03 AM
Did someone mention Jerry Reuss.

eastchicagosoxfan
08-07-2005, 04:28 AM
Two more from the 1970's. Pablo Torreablo, and Chris Knapp.

EMel9281
08-07-2005, 08:16 AM
I remember a couple of big names (back then) that played here briefly in the 90's.

John "One Truck" Kruk
Danny Tartabull(sp?)

4th Gen. Sox Fan
08-07-2005, 09:47 AM
Oh yes, very well! :D: Doesn't he still own the longest Sox home run in the new park (1991, off Eric Plunk)? I wonder what he is doing these days...

Joe Borchard hit the longest homer at Comiskey last year against the Phillies, 504 ft.

white sox bill
08-07-2005, 09:55 AM
Apologies if repeat, but wasn't Paul Edmonson or Edmonds the last player to be killed while on active roster? I was quite young, it may have been in 1969, he was a pitcher and I believe he was killed in car accident. Anyone remember if it was during season or not?

Craig Grebeck
08-07-2005, 10:09 AM
How about Craig Grebeck

;[

4th Gen. Sox Fan
08-07-2005, 10:16 AM
Chad Bradford, Todd Ritchie, Josh Fogg, Kip Wells, Olmeido Saenz (played a few games in 1994 at 3rd), Mike Huff, Sean Lowe, Alan Embree (terrible in 2001), Jose Canseco, Rocky Biddle, Danny Wright:luis&nell

DannyCaterFan
08-07-2005, 11:19 AM
Danny Cater, of course!

Lip Man 1
08-07-2005, 01:30 PM
Bill:

Edmondson and his girlfriend were killed on February 13, 1970. They were traveling south on US 101 near Santa Barbara, California when the car skidded on a rain soaked road and crossed into the other lane. Both were killed instantly.

Lip

santo=dorf
08-07-2005, 01:48 PM
Kevin Tapani
Ruben Sierra
and I can't believe nobody has mentioned this this joke yet:

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=2995

soxphotos
08-07-2005, 04:07 PM
Does anyone remember him?

soxphotos
08-07-2005, 04:36 PM
John the pineapple Matias
Floyd Weaver
Ed the creeper Stroud

soxlug
08-07-2005, 04:53 PM
Chris Snopek

MarySwiss
08-07-2005, 04:57 PM
Guys, Hawk mentioned one that I had completely forgotten--Charlie Hough.

BigEdWalsh
08-07-2005, 05:31 PM
Les Moss, Frank Baumann, Jim Brosnan, Wes Covington, Billy Goodman, Don Mueller, Ray Boone, Dave Philley, & Roy Sievers.

RadioheadRocks
08-07-2005, 06:01 PM
Here's some of my favorites from the mid 80s to the early 2000s that haven't been mentioned yet:



Tom O'Malley
Mark Gilbert
Steve Fireovid
Scott Bradley
Jack Perconte (remember his name was misspelled PRECONTE on the back of his jersey in his Sox debut???)
Bryan Clark
Pete Filson
Ray Searage
Bill Lindsey
Ralph Citarella
Adam Peterson
Mike Diaz
James Sap Randall
Ravelo Manzanillo
Jeff Schaefer
Jack Hardy
Brian Drahman
Jeff Carter
Steve Wapnick
Tom Drees
Chris Cron
Mike Dunne
Rick Wrona
Drew Denson
Doug Lindsey
Dann Howitt
Ron Tingley
Bob Melvin
Dennis Cook
Dane Johnson
Chris Tremie
Doug Brady
Andrew Lorraine
Jeff Shaw
Domingo Cedeno
Rich Sauveur
Marvin Freeman
Stacy Jones
Chad Fonville
Lou Frazier
Todd Rizzo
John Snyder
Mike Heathcott
David Lundquist
Jason Dellaero
Aaron Myette

TommyJohn
08-07-2005, 06:03 PM
Here's some of my favorites from the mid 80s to the early 2000s that haven't been mentioned yet:




Steve Fireovid



Was that his real name?

soxjim
08-07-2005, 06:08 PM
Herbert Perry (the milk man)

Warren Newsome (the deacon) I caught a home run ball of his in Milwaukee.

BigEdWalsh
08-07-2005, 06:08 PM
Here's some of my favorites from the mid 80s to the early 2000s that haven't been mentioned yet:




Wow, some list. 18 of those guys you mentioned I don't even remember when I've seen their names.:o:

RadioheadRocks
08-07-2005, 07:25 PM
Was that his real name?

Sure was! Had a cup of coffee with the Sox in 1985. Here's a link with his stats:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/players/2087/

Brian26
08-07-2005, 07:48 PM
Here are a couple for you from the '83 team:

Aurelio Rodriguez (defensive specialist at 3rd base. Came over towards the end of the year from the Orioles and helped the Sox steal some signs during the playoffs).

Miguel Dilone. - A super base-stealing threat, but only played 4 games for the Sox in '83. Not sure why they let him go so quickly.

MeteorsSox4367
08-07-2005, 08:06 PM
As a fan of catchers, how about Ricky Seilheimer, Larry Doby Johnson and Mike Colbern?

He gone
08-07-2005, 08:40 PM
Apologies if repeat, but wasn't Paul Edmonson or Edmonds the last player to be killed while on active roster?


Was he the last Sox player killed on an active roster or last Major Leaguer?

I remember back in 79? The Angels were in town and Lyman Bostock was killed over in Gary, Indiana.

JRIG
08-07-2005, 08:45 PM
I'm a lazy bum and haven't read a large porton of this thread. But:

Shawn Hillegas
Brian Keyser

LongLiveFisk
08-07-2005, 09:01 PM
Here's some of my favorites from the mid 80s to the early 2000s that haven't been mentioned yet:




Ray Searage


Doh! That was the one I was racking my brain over...I could picture his face, but I just couldn't think of his name.

Oh and I also just remembered Bryan Little ('85)

Lip Man 1
08-07-2005, 09:08 PM
Brian:

Dilone was traded one week after the Sox got him to the Pirates for Randy Niemann. It was in September 1983. The guy was fast he stole almost 300 bases in the pro's.

I'm guessing the Sox had no room for him in the outfield.

Lip

pczarapa
08-07-2005, 11:32 PM
For some reason Ross Baumgarten jumps out of my head

mr_genius
08-08-2005, 12:47 AM
Tim Hulett

he ruled

Whitesox029
08-08-2005, 01:04 AM
He was a lefty. Late 70s/early 80s.

How about some catchers:

Matt Merullo
Don Wakamatsu
Mike Colburn
Marc Hill
You stole mine...(Merullo).
Booter Hill isn't forgotten for anyone who knew the '83 team well I'm sure, or for anyone who read Ron Kittle's book. Merullo was a backup to Karkovice and holds the distinction (in my mind) as the first Sox player to share my first name since the day I was born. The full list:
Matt Merullo, 1989-1993
Matt Stark, 1990
Matt Karchner, 1995-1998
Matt Ginter, 2001-2003
Not a good show.
At least Karchner brought us Jon G.