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soxfan1965
07-31-2005, 04:31 PM
Ryne Sandberg gave a great speech and I hope the current White Sox team has a chance to hear it. His common theme--respect--reminds me a lot of why the 2005 White Sox are successful. He said baseball is a matter of doing the things you're supposed to do, like Andre Dawson and Mark Grace did. That includes doing the little things--moving the guy on first to second, bunting, fielding. When Ozzie says Iguchi is his MVP, he's also saying -- do the little things, play the game like it's supposed to be--be unselfish. Sandberg said it's a matter of doing those thing even "when the red light of the camera is not on you" and I (sorry) couldn't help but think of someone pounding his heart and kissing his fingers after a home run to the camera. I'm so glad this steriod thing got out (appreciating Frank Thomas more) and exposed the selfish style of the game and guys calculating what they needed to do to make the HOF, sometimes at the expense of the team. Sandberg reminded us that it's important how you play the game, not just individual glory/stats, and this continues to guide the 2005 White Sox.

SoxRule56
07-31-2005, 04:36 PM
Good Post

davenicholson
07-31-2005, 04:59 PM
Ryne Sandberg gave a great speech and I hope the current White Sox team has a chance to hear it. His common theme--respect--reminds me a lot of why the 2005 White Sox are successful. He said baseball is a matter of doing the things you're supposed to do, like Andre Dawson and Mark Grace did. That includes doing the little things--moving the guy on first to second, bunting, fielding. When Ozzie says Iguchi is his MVP, he's also saying -- do the little things, play the game like it's supposed to be--be unselfish. Sandberg said it's a matter of doing those thing even "when the red light of the camera is not on you" and I (sorry) couldn't help but think of someone pounding his heart and kissing his fingers after a home run to the camera. I'm so glad this steriod thing got out (appreciating Frank Thomas more) and exposed the selfish style of the game and guys calculating what they needed to do to make the HOF, sometimes at the expense of the team. Sandberg reminded us that it's important how you play the game, not just individual glory/stats, and this continues to guide the 2005 White Sox.
I don't care how classy anyone thinks Sandberg is/was. He played for Chicago(NL). He is *not* "Ryno", at least not on this board. :angry:

hsnterprize
07-31-2005, 05:19 PM
I don't care how classy anyone thinks Sandberg is/was. He played for Chicago(NL). He is *not* "Ryno", at least not on this board. :angry:

Dave,

Of course, for the sake of this board, Ryne Sandberg won't be called "Ryno", but folks like me who grew up in the 80's watching the Cubs after they got home from school remember when Sandberg was one of the few reasons why anyone would want to watch the Cubs in the first place. And his play was going on as Harry turned Wrigley Field from inevitible condo property to the World's Largest Beer Garden. Say what you will about him and/or the Cubs, but I thought his speech was pretty good...or at least the parts I heard before that idiot Gary Miller and the morons at ESPN Radio kept interrupting it.

And to add to that, lemme give an early "thumbs way down" to ESPN Radio coverage of the HOF ceremonies. Granted they have advertising spots to fill and stuff like that, but in an event like this, there should've been some consideration taken to let the speeches be run in their entirety WITHOUT INTERRUPTION!!!!! Both Wade Boggs and Sandberg's speeches were cut off due to commercial breaks and hourly updates. I can understand at or near the top of the hour allowing local ESPN stations to legally identify themselves...that's an FCC rule. But, why cut off a speech given by a guy who's going into the HOF just to tell me about a game that means nothing? If anything, give scores at the top of the hour...that's it. And then after the ceremony is done, go back to the regular format.

And that is a legitimate gripe...imagine all the hell-raising that would be going on this site if a White Sox player were being inducted. Can you imagine all the hate mail going to ESPN if say, Frank Thomas' speech were cut off so someone in Bristol can give scores?

SOX ADDICT '73
07-31-2005, 05:43 PM
For all the fans of Home Star Runner on these boards:

Listen to Sandberg's speech tonight (you'll have countless opportunites, no doubt) and tell me he doesn't sound exactly like Strong Sad telling one of his stories.

davenicholson
07-31-2005, 05:48 PM
Dave,

Of course, for the sake of this board, Ryne Sandberg won't be called "Ryno", but folks like me who grew up in the 80's watching the Cubs after they got home from school remember when Sandberg was one of the few reasons why anyone would want to watch the Cubs in the first place.
The only player on that team I felt ever like that about was Ernie Banks. I remember my father, as hard-core a Sox fan/Chicago(NL) hater as you'd find anywhere, used to say that a perfect day was a Sox victory, and the "other team" losing 99-4, with Banks getting their only 4 hits, all home runs. But it would still be "Banks" to me, and not some silly north side nickname.

chaerulez
07-31-2005, 06:45 PM
Ryne Sandberg gave a great speech and I hope the current White Sox team has a chance to hear it. His common theme--respect--reminds me a lot of why the 2005 White Sox are successful. He said baseball is a matter of doing the things you're supposed to do, like Andre Dawson and Mark Grace did. That includes doing the little things--moving the guy on first to second, bunting, fielding. When Ozzie says Iguchi is his MVP, he's also saying -- do the little things, play the game like it's supposed to be--be unselfish. Sandberg said it's a matter of doing those thing even "when the red light of the camera is not on you" and I (sorry) couldn't help but think of someone pounding his heart and kissing his fingers after a home run to the camera. I'm so glad this steriod thing got out (appreciating Frank Thomas more) and exposed the selfish style of the game and guys calculating what they needed to do to make the HOF, sometimes at the expense of the team. Sandberg reminded us that it's important how you play the game, not just individual glory/stats, and this continues to guide the 2005 White Sox.

He was always a classy guy and someone you could truly respect.

MarySwiss
07-31-2005, 07:05 PM
Well, cripes! This thread is seriously messed up!

Have any of you "Ryno gave a great speech" posters actually ever heard him speak extemporaneously? I have, and all I can say is that it's a good thing for him that he was good looking!

Plus, that "Ryno" nickname always killed me. Greg "the Bull" Luzinski--sure; Steve "Mongo" McMichael--sure; "Jungle Jim" Rivera-sure; but "Ryno"--for that guy?

DrCrawdad
07-31-2005, 07:39 PM
Were there any warnings preceding Sandberg's speech warning that you should not drive a motorized vehicle and listen to Ryne speak?

http://depts.washington.edu/mednews/vol7/no29/sleepy.jpg

soxwon
07-31-2005, 07:43 PM
Did he mention his ex wife, and her promiscuity?

MarySwiss
07-31-2005, 07:48 PM
Were there any warnings preceding Sandberg's speech warning that you should not drive a motorized vehicle and listen to Ryne speak?

http://depts.washington.edu/mednews/vol7/no29/sleepy.jpg

My point exactly. Melatonin guy 'r' Ryne.

DrCrawdad
07-31-2005, 07:57 PM
My point exactly. Melatonin guy 'r' Ryne.

I think Sharper Image is going to put Ryne's acceptance speech on one of those sleep machines.

misty60481
07-31-2005, 08:04 PM
Was he the one said -- baseball been berry berry good to me --- or was that the other guy

Irishsox1
08-01-2005, 12:25 AM
Did he mention his ex wife, and her promiscuity?

Yea, he said, "To my ex-wife Cindy...You slept with Palmerio and I got him traded to Texas...screw you, you whore." It was classic edgy Ryno.

Actually, I watched his speech and all I can say is that if I every have trouble sleeping, I should put that speech on because it was totally boring.

TornLabrum
08-01-2005, 12:34 AM
Yea, he said, "To my ex-wife Cindy...You slept with Palmerio and I got him traded to Texas...screw you, you whore." It was classic edgy Ryno.

Actually, I watched his speech and all I can say is that if I every have trouble sleeping, I should put that speech on because it was totally boring.

Yeah, at least a couple of years ago when Fisk was inducted he let the entire world know that he definitely had some major issues with his old man. Now that was an edgy speech!

slavko
08-01-2005, 12:55 AM
A guy gets into the HOF and all you can come up with is "he's boring, he can't extemporize, and his ex-wife is a ho?" Did you forget toenail fungus? Who gives an s-word? Help Paul Sullivan write his next article about Big Frank.

CubKilla
08-01-2005, 02:38 AM
I thought Sandberg's speech was good until the end where he added the garbage about Ron Santo and how RS has another member of the HoF commitee voting for him now.

Almost vommed on myself when I heard that.

Nellie_Fox
08-01-2005, 02:42 AM
Sporting News Radio was just making fun of his speech, comparing it to the Grumpy Old Man on Saturday Night Live: "in my day, we didn't come to spring training overweight, flibberty jibbits."

TommyJohn
08-01-2005, 07:25 AM
Will someone please tell me what the hell RONNIE "COO-COO" WICKERS was doing there? And how the hell was he even able to afford the trip? AHHHHHHH!!!!

Wsoxmike59
08-01-2005, 07:34 AM
Nice to see Ryno ripping on Sam ME selfish during his HOF Induction speech! I always told Cub fans that Sammy was a fraud, a sham and a charlatan. I love this excerpt below from the Tribune this morning. :D:
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Sandberg spoke about learning how to be a complete player, not a one-dimensional slugger.

"When did it become OK for someone to hit home runs and forget how to play the rest of the game?" he asked.

Sandberg spoke about playing the game "right because that's what you're supposed to do" and said if his election into the Hall validates anything it's that "learning how to bunt, hit-and-run and turning two is more important than knowing where to find the little red light [on] the dugout camera."

Sandberg mentioned nine of his former Cubs teammates during his speech. Sosa, who was on the rise in 1997, Sandberg's final season, wasn't among them. It's fair to say he's not a big fan of heart taps and blown kisses.

PatK
08-01-2005, 10:27 AM
Ronnie WooWoo was apparently escorted away by security before the induction.

How did that homeless POS even get there in the first place?

fquaye149
08-01-2005, 10:52 AM
Sporting News Radio was just making fun of his speech, comparing it to the Grumpy Old Man on Saturday Night Live: "in my day, we didn't come to spring training overweight, flibberty jibbits."

How about Dana Carvey's weekend update old man...

"In my day we didn't HAVE television...we would go into fields and stare at the sun...and it would burn our eyeballs out and we LIKED IT because it was ALL WE KNEW"

spiffie
08-01-2005, 12:23 PM
Will someone please tell me what the hell RONNIE "COO-COO" WICKERS was doing there? And how the hell was he even able to afford the trip? AHHHHHHH!!!!

What amazes me was that someone at Pravda...I mean the Trib actually said the following:

the unofficial, ubiquitous and wholly annoying team mascot was in Cooperstown for Ryne Sandberg's induction.

But I thought Ronnie Woo-Woo was part of the fun and magic of the Wrigley experience, the best way to spend a day in all of baseball.

soxfan1965
08-01-2005, 12:53 PM
Many of these issues discussed are good. Perhaps there is a greater point. IMO, this is something well beyond Sandberg and whether you like him or not. The juxtaposition of Sandberg's speech and Palmaerio's suspension is interesting. What is the HOF going to do when the "enhanced" players, and/or selfish players, are HOF eligible? Many of the HOFers were nodding their heads during the speech. If/when these type of players are elected, will the HOF'ers even show up?? Boy, what a can of worms and a debate topic. But the HOF does have its share of shady characters, so it will be interesting.

Fisk felt the same way, like when he criticized the baserunner on the other team for not running out the base--because that's what you're supposed to do! Something to remember about Fisk when his statue is unveiled.

By the way, if you missed it, here's what Roland Hemond said in the Trib about the speech: "What a great message," said Roland Hemond, a special assistant to White Sox Chairman Jerry Reinsdorf. "We've got to take that tape and show it to minor-leaguers every spring. It's the best thing I've heard about having respect for the game, for your teammates, in a long time."

LongLiveFisk
08-01-2005, 01:18 PM
Yeah, at least a couple of years ago when Fisk was inducted he let the entire world know that he definitely had some major issues with his old man. Now that was an edgy speech!

I didn't get that feeling at all. Basically his father was one that definitely pushed his kids to excel but all Pudge was saying was he just wanted to make his father proud. No resentment, just "you pushed me hard, I succeeded and I want you to be proud of me". :D:

silenceofthehawk
08-01-2005, 01:22 PM
I don't care how classy anyone thinks Sandberg is/was. He played for Chicago(NL). He is *not* "Ryno", at least not on this board. :angry:
And this is the difference between a White Sox fan and a baseball fan.

silenceofthehawk
08-01-2005, 01:23 PM
Ronnie WooWoo was apparently escorted away by security before the induction.

How did that homeless POS even get there in the first place?
Ha!:D:

tstrike2000
08-01-2005, 02:45 PM
Will someone please tell me what the hell RONNIE "COO-COO" WICKERS was doing there? And how the hell was he even able to afford the trip? AHHHHHHH!!!!

Though never a Ryno fan I have respect for the things he did do on the field. However, your quote was funny stuff. Between that and the cubssuck link, it's a great laugh.

davenicholson
08-01-2005, 03:25 PM
And this is the difference between a White Sox fan and a baseball fan.
What the heck is that supposed to mean? I am both. Did I denigrate Sandberg's accomplishments or question whether he deserved to be in the HOF? All I said is that there is no room for cute cubbie nicknames on a White Sox message board.

RavenswoodFan
08-01-2005, 10:28 PM
Will someone please tell me what the hell RONNIE "COO-COO" WICKERS was doing there? And how the hell was he even able to afford the trip? AHHHHHHH!!!!

Well Southwest Airlines does fly non-stop to Albany now, so he probably flew there for $40 !!:)

RadioheadRocks
08-02-2005, 02:49 AM
Ronnie WooWoo was apparently escorted away by security before the induction.

How did that homeless POS even get there in the first place?



Gotta love the last line in the Trib story though: "As Wade Boggs was wrapping up his speech, Wickers moved closer to the stage for Sandberg's. That's when he was intercepted by Hall security and led away, and the grounds of the Clark Sports Complex remained a woo-free zone for the rest of the day." :D:


Not to mention the headline: "Woo-Woo gets the Shoo-Shoo"

Nyls Nyman
08-02-2005, 03:42 AM
The juxtaposition of Sandberg's speech and Palmaerio's suspension is interesting.
Not to mention the juxtaposition of Sandberg's first wife and steroid-boy's Viagra commercials.
:bandance:

DrCrawdad
08-02-2005, 07:53 AM
I agree with what Sandberg stated in his induction speech at the HOF. My only questions, where have you been Ryne Sandberg? What took you so long?

With Sammy out of the Cubs organization, it's safe and acceptable to fire on him now. However, what Sandberg said about Sosa (albeit without mentioning Sosa's name), Sosa being selfish and a steriod enhanced slugger are all things that many Sox fans have been saying for years. But when we've said these things in past though we had to hear all kinds of crap for it. So, where were you Ryne when it actually took (guts) to call-out Sosa? You quietly went along with the Cubune program, knowing that to speak out would jeopardize your popularity amongst Cubbiedumb. So now you're 'throwing a brick from a distance,' you're willing to take a shot at Sosa when you know there is no harm in it for you, in fact you'll be celebrated for it.

AZChiSoxFan
08-02-2005, 11:28 AM
I agree with what Sandberg stated in his induction speech at the HOF. My only questions, where have you been Ryne Sandberg? What took you so long?

With Sammy out of the Cubs organization, it's safe and acceptable to fire on him now. However, what Sandberg said about Sosa (albeit without mentioning Sosa's name), Sosa being selfish and a steriod enhanced slugger are all things that many Sox fans have been saying for years. But when we've said these things in past though we had to hear all kinds of crap for it. So, where were you Ryne when it actually took (guts) to call-out Sosa? You quietly went along with the Cubune program, knowing that to speak out would jeopardize your popularity amongst Cubbiedumb. So now you're 'throwing a brick from a distance,' you're willing to take a shot at Sosa when you know there is no harm in it for you, in fact you'll be celebrated for it.


Very well said! Thanks.

RallyBowl
08-02-2005, 06:23 PM
What the heck is that supposed to mean? I am both. Did I denigrate Sandberg's accomplishments or question whether he deserved to be in the HOF? All I said is that there is no room for cute cubbie nicknames on a White Sox message board.
"Both"? :kukoo:

DrCrawdad
08-02-2005, 10:10 PM
Very well said! Thanks.
I disagree.

I think Ryne is sensitive to the fact that he wasn't in a place to make a public statement like this as a member of the team. Since leaving the team, he hasn't had a podium like the one he was offered on Sunday. This was his chance to say it to the greatest possible audience, in a situation in which he would drip with credibility, and he said it.

by dfrancon on Tue Aug 02, 2005 at 08:15:58 AM CST



Loyalty > "courage and leadership"

Sandberg is a company guy. Loyalty means everything to him, as should've been obvious by his induction speech. All that stuff he said about "respecting the uniform and respecting the team" meant that you kept your mouth shut about your teammates. If you had a complaint about a fellow Cub, you kept it in-house and behind closed doors. It would've been completely out of character for him to bash a Cub in the press -- especially since he became an active member of the organization again by accepting a position as a spring training instructor for the club in Mesa.

What do you think?

Bisco Stu
08-03-2005, 02:08 AM
Rhinough is overrated, only cause he's a Flub.

He still looks like a bratty little kid who's old like a child TV star, but when he speaks he sounds like someone's angry grandfather.

davenicholson
08-03-2005, 08:52 AM
"Both"? :kukoo:
Gee, that's a cute usage of a smiley. Congratulations. Now, what is so hard about understanding this? Silenceofthehawk made this statement:
And this is the difference between a White Sox fan and a baseball fan. implying that one cannot be a true baseball fan if one is a Sox fan. The part you don't seem to understand is my reply, stating that I am both (a baseball fan and a Sox fan). Get it now?

TomBradley72
08-03-2005, 12:05 PM
Rhinough is overrated, only cause he's a Flub.

He still looks like a bratty little kid who's old like a child TV star, but when he speaks he sounds like someone's angry grandfather.

I agree....while this was a decent speach....it was like his overall career....overrated. Where's the ring Ryno? Where was the obsession to become a champion while you were a player? He was hooked on the opiate of all things Cubbie....and chose that over becoming a champion.