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BeviBall!
07-31-2005, 11:12 AM
Offman saying that talks are only on Huff at the moment and that KW says McCarthy is not available for Huff.

ndgt10
07-31-2005, 11:14 AM
In other words, we will not be making any deals.

munchman33
07-31-2005, 11:14 AM
If that's true, then we aren't making a deal. No way Lamar deals Huff without getting the best. Huff isn't a free agent next year, and he's by far the best player in their organization.

BeviBall!
07-31-2005, 11:15 AM
In other words, we will not be making any deals.

Lots of time left. I'm sorry though, I trade B Mac for a raker like Huff in a minute. KW will get us something... won't he?

Kogs35
07-31-2005, 11:20 AM
i believe joerge offman like i believe murph being a sox fan, and clearly murph aint a sox fan

Jjav829
07-31-2005, 11:27 AM
Lots of time left. I'm sorry though, I trade B Mac for a raker like Huff in a minute. KW will get us something... won't he?

Ugh, he better. I would like to keep McCarthy, but if he has to go to get us a player, then trade him! If this deadline comes and goes and our only move is acquiring Geoff freaking Blum, I'm going to be pissed.

Cowhead418
07-31-2005, 11:29 AM
Ugh, he better. I would like to keep McCarthy, but if he has to go to get us a player, then trade him! If this deadline comes and goes and our only move is acquiring Geoff freaking Blum, I'm going to be pissed.
I couldn't have said it better myself.

Palehose13
07-31-2005, 11:34 AM
Ugh, he better. I would like to keep McCarthy, but if he has to go to get us a player, then trade him! If this deadline comes and goes and our only move is acquiring Geoff freaking Blum, I'm going to be pissed.

Has that become even close to being confirmed?

Regarding Huff, I want him. He can play 5-6 days a week in several different positions...and take over at first when they let Paulie walk next year.

soltrain21
07-31-2005, 11:38 AM
Paulie walk next year.



That is the big thing. This not only helps us immediately, but gives us a 1st baseman in the future for a lower price.

Palehose13
07-31-2005, 11:40 AM
That is the big thing. This not only helps us immediately, but gives us a 1st baseman in the future for a lower price.

Yep...and I almost put that in deep pink, but I didn't want to get it from the aPAULgists :wink:

JB98
07-31-2005, 11:58 AM
Ugh, he better. I would like to keep McCarthy, but if he has to go to get us a player, then trade him! If this deadline comes and goes and our only move is acquiring Geoff freaking Blum, I'm going to be pissed.

I think this is a game of chicken, and KW is banking on Chuckie to blink first. The price might come down if KW waits it out all the way until the end.

I'd rather see no trade than a bad trade. If LaMar wants McCarthy and Marte for Huff and Baez, I'd tell him to stick it where the sun doesn't shine. Such a move would actually weaken our bullpen. I'd like to get Huff as well, but the bullpen is more of a concern to me than the lineup.

Podzilla_40
07-31-2005, 12:01 PM
If that's the case Huff will in Boston in no time. Boston doesn't give a damn about prospects because they have enough money to lure free agents, we don't have that luxury, so when you have a young pitcher like McCarthy you don't deal him for a player that won't put you over the top. Good stand by KW.

TaylorStSox
07-31-2005, 12:07 PM
Huff's not having as good of a year as anybody he'd be replacing. I wouldn't be upset if we don't make any deals.

Ol' No. 2
07-31-2005, 12:14 PM
I think this is a game of chicken, and KW is banking on Chuckie to blink first. The price might come down if KW waits it out all the way until the end.

I'd rather see no trade than a bad trade. If LaMar wants McCarthy and Marte for Huff and Baez, I'd tell him to stick it where the sun doesn't shine. Such a move would actually weaken our bullpen. I'd like to get Huff as well, but the bullpen is more of a concern to me than the lineup.I agree. McCarthy for Huff? No thanks. McCarthy and Marte for Huff and Baez? No thanks again.

ndgt10
07-31-2005, 12:17 PM
I agree. McCarthy for Huff? No thanks. McCarthy and Marte for Huff and Baez? No thanks again.

I would do McCarthy for Huff in a second.

JB98
07-31-2005, 12:18 PM
If that's the case Huff will in Boston in no time. Boston doesn't give a damn about prospects because they have enough money to lure free agents, we don't have that luxury, so when you have a young pitcher like McCarthy you don't deal him for a player that won't put you over the top. Good stand by KW.

I agree.

This is Aubrey Huff we're talking about. He's a nice player, and I'd like to get him. But if I'm going to trade two prospects and a relief pitcher, I better be getting a bonafide All-Star. If we get Huff, he'd probably play three or four times a week at various positions. He'd be helpful, but he's not a good enough player to sell the farm for.

And I don't like Baez at all. The guy leads the league in blown saves, and he doesn't even get that many opportunities. We have at least four pitchers in our bullpen now that are better than he is. I'm not convinced he'd be a good insurance policy for Hermanson. Of course, I'm still dreaming of Billy Wagner in silver and black, and chances are I'll have to keep on dreaming.

Ol' No. 2
07-31-2005, 12:19 PM
I would do McCarthy for Huff in a second.You want to trade your best pitching prospect for a bench player?:?::?::?:

How much impact does a bench player really have?

BeviBall!
07-31-2005, 12:20 PM
You want to trade your best pitching prospect for a bench player?:?::?::?:

How much impact does a bench player really have?

Huff is not a bench player. He'd be our #3 hitter the rest of the way.

Unregistered
07-31-2005, 12:22 PM
You want to trade your best pitching prospect for a bench player?:?::?::?:

How much impact does a bench player really have?Just about as much impact as McCarthy has for us, sitting in Charlotte.

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Podzilla_40
07-31-2005, 12:22 PM
Huff is not a bench player. He'd be our #3 hitter the rest of the way.

Dear God I hope not, he is a #5 hitter. No way in hell would a guy with a mediocre OBP be our #3 hitter.

TaylorStSox
07-31-2005, 12:22 PM
Huff is not a bench player. He'd be our #3 hitter the rest of the way.

You'd rather have Huff than Everett? :?:

Ol' No. 2
07-31-2005, 12:23 PM
Huff is not a bench player. He'd be our #3 hitter the rest of the way.Really?? Who does he replace in the lineup?

Jjav829
07-31-2005, 12:24 PM
Really?? Who does he replace in the lineup?

Carl Everett.

How many times does this have to be answered?

Ol' No. 2
07-31-2005, 12:24 PM
Just about as much impact as McCarthy has for us, sitting in Charlotte.

Or Brian Daubach?

JB98
07-31-2005, 12:26 PM
You want to trade your best pitching prospect for a bench player?:?::?::?:

How much impact does a bench player really have?

If Huff is acquired, he'll be placed in the role Everett had when Frank was healthy. He'll play once or twice a series at a couple different positions, depending on matchups. He won't be an everyday player. He isn't going displace any of the guys who are currently on the club.

I'm sure someone will say Huff should be at 3B instead of Crede, but that won't happen because Joe is the far superior defender. If you take out Konerko, Everett or Dye and insert Huff, are you really adding a power bat to the middle of the order? Nope. It's a zero sum game. The only thing you accomplish is making the team a little more left-handed. To be honest, I'd like to see this lineup get a little more left-handed, but I'm not willing to trade two or three players to do it.

TaylorStSox
07-31-2005, 12:29 PM
Carl Everett.

How many times does this have to be answered?

What have you done for me lately? Give me the guy who's having a better year, has been around longer and has played in high pressure situations. I don't want the guy who put up bloated numbers playing for the worst team in baseball who isn't having much of a year sans a handful of homeruns in the past month.

samram
07-31-2005, 12:29 PM
Carl Everett.

How many times does this have to be answered?

Probably another seven or eight times since those who don't want him refuse to hear that he'll be the DH and Carl will be the one playing four times a week.

TaylorStSox
07-31-2005, 12:31 PM
All Everett does is drive in runs. I don't get it.

JB98
07-31-2005, 12:32 PM
Carl Everett.

How many times does this have to be answered?

It's one thing to ask Everett to step aside for Frank Thomas. It's quite another to bench him for Aubrey Huff.

BeviBall!
07-31-2005, 12:33 PM
You'd rather have Huff than Everett? :?:

Yes. Guys, if he trades for Huff, you think he'd be a bench player? It'd be a scenario where he'd DH and PK would play... or play 1st and Carl would DH. He's usually a monster second half player, he's young and could destroy at the Cell.

Jjav829
07-31-2005, 12:34 PM
What have you done for me lately? Give me the guy who's having a better year, has been around longer and has played in high pressure situations. I don't want the guy who put up bloated numbers playing for the worst team in baseball who isn't having much of a year sans a handful of homeruns in the past month.

Or could it be that Huff has little motivation playing for Tampa and that has caused his numbers to suffer? Could it be that once he gets in the middle of a playoff race for the first time in his career, he actually becomes a better player. And as far as "what have you done for me lately," check Huff's July numbers. Actually, I'll give you them.

Huff's July: .323/.364/.645/1.009 8 HRs, 25 RBI

Huff gives this team an actual left-handed threat. Look at Everett's splits as a lefty. They're not too good.

You can have the guy who has had a better year so far. I'll take the better player.

TaylorStSox
07-31-2005, 12:34 PM
Yes. Guys, if he trades for Huff, you think he'd be a bench player? It'd be a scenario where he'd DH and PK would play... or play 1st and Carl would DH. He's usually a monster second half player, he's young and could destroy at the Cell.

Lol. Trades for the sake of trades. I love it. :?:

TaylorStSox
07-31-2005, 12:35 PM
Or could it be that Huff has little motivation playing for Tampa and that has caused his numbers to suffer? Could it be that once he gets in the middle of a playoff race for the first time in his career, he actually becomes a better player. And as far as "what have you done for me lately," check Huff's July numbers. Actually, I'll give you them.

Huff's July: .323/.364/.645/1.009 8 HRs, 25 RBI

Huff gives this team an actual left-handed threat. Look at Everett's splits as a lefty. They're not too good.

You can have the guy who has had a better year so far. I'll take the better player.


Little motivation my ass. He's in his free agent year.

Jjav829
07-31-2005, 12:37 PM
It's one thing to ask Everett to step aside for Frank Thomas. It's quite another to bench him for Aubrey Huff.

Too bad for Everett. I want the better player. If Everett doesn't like it, free agency is only two months away. He can go find an everyday job then. Then again, that didn't work out too well last time as the only team who would give him an everyday job for decent money was the Montreal Expos.

BeviBall!
07-31-2005, 12:37 PM
Lol. Trades for the sake of trades. I love it. :?:

I guess a career .295 hitter with 110 HRs in 4+ seasons isn't worth Brandon McCarthy. I think part of the problem is that most people here are unfamiliar with Huff.

Jjav829
07-31-2005, 12:38 PM
Little motivation my ass. He's in his free agent year.

Check again. He's under contract for next year.

patbooyah
07-31-2005, 12:38 PM
What have you done for me lately? Give me the guy who's having a better year, has been around longer and has played in high pressure situations. I don't want the guy who put up bloated numbers playing for the worst team in baseball who isn't having much of a year sans a handful of homeruns in the past month.

carl's "high pressure situations" have amounted to 4 postseason hits in 28 postseason at bats. just for everyone's information. he has never made it past the first round.

JimH
07-31-2005, 12:39 PM
Little motivation my ass. He's in his free agent year.

Is this true? I thought for sure he is signed thru 2006 at least.

Unregistered
07-31-2005, 12:39 PM
I guess a career .295 hitter with 110 HRs in 4+ seasons isn't worth Brandon McCarthy. I think part of the problem is that most people here are unfamiliar with Huff.
Combined with the thought that because Brandon McCarthy had a nice Spring Training facing hitters who have never seen him before, he is the next Greg Maddux.

BeviBall!
07-31-2005, 12:39 PM
Check again. He's under contract for next year.

Beat me to it... he's due $7mil next year, I believe. Or, $3mil less than PK would demand.

JB98
07-31-2005, 12:39 PM
Probably another seven or eight times since those who don't want him refuse to hear that he'll be the DH and Carl will be the one playing four times a week.

I do want the Sox to get Huff. However, I look at him as a guy who will add depth and play three or four times a week. Others, apparently, look at Huff as the savior who will lead us to the promised land. <shudder>

Huff is hitting .270 with 13 HRs and 63 RBIs. Everett is hitting .258 with 15 HRs and 61 RBIs, and Carl has about 80 fewer at-bats.

If you subtract Everett from the lineup and add Huff, it's a zero sum game. The production is about equal.

Jjav829
07-31-2005, 12:40 PM
I guess a career .295 hitter with 110 HRs in 4+ seasons isn't worth Brandon McCarthy. I think part of the problem is that most people here are unfamiliar with Huff.

He plays in a place where he gets little recognition. There are actually some Rays fans who want him traded here (or Boston, etc.) because they want the rest of baseball to find out what they already know about Huff. Few people really know how good a players Huff is. I guess Tampa Bay does that to you though.

Jjav829
07-31-2005, 12:41 PM
carl's "high pressure situations" have amounted to 4 postseason hits in 28 postseason at bats. just for everyone's information. he has never made it past the first round.

That's clutch. He's practically Reggie Jackson.

TaylorStSox
07-31-2005, 12:42 PM
My fault. I thought this was the last year of his contract. Obviously, Huff's a good hitter. I just wouldn't want to trade a top of the rotation prospect and our only lefy specialist for a marginal upgrade.

Game 7 of the World Series.....I'd rather have Everett in the box with the game on the line.

Since he is signed for next year that changes things. Anything to not sign PK for next year is a good thing.

patbooyah
07-31-2005, 12:43 PM
Beat me to it... he's due $7mil next year, I believe. Or, $3mil less than PK would demand.

but does he have a mouthful of quotes like our beloved PK?

Ol' No. 2
07-31-2005, 12:43 PM
I do want the Sox to get Huff. However, I look at him as a guy who will add depth and play three or four times a week. Others, apparently, look at Huff as the savior who will lead us to the promised land. <shudder>

Huff is hitting .270 with 13 HRs and 63 RBIs. Everett is hitting .258 with 15 HRs and 61 RBIs, and Carl has about 80 fewer at-bats.

If you subtract Everett from the lineup and add Huff, it's a zero sum game. The production is about equal.Exactly. A zero sum is not an improvement. It adds bench depth (not to be sneezed at), but that's about all.

KyWhiSoxFan
07-31-2005, 12:45 PM
Really?? Who does he replace in the lineup?

He replaces Crede. My guess is that the only way to get Huff without giving up our best prospect, BMac, is to give them an everyday player, Crede, and a secondary prospect. That puts Huff at third this year, and Blum is brought in for defense late in the game. Next year, Huff moves to first. Plus, isn't Crede represented by Boras? If that is case, Reinsdorf will not want to deal with that situation a couple of year from now. Take

BeviBall!
07-31-2005, 12:46 PM
My fault. I thought this was the last year of his contract. Obviously, Huff's a good hitter. I just wouldn't want to trade a top of the rotation prospect and our only lefy specialist for a marginal upgrade.

Game 7 of the World Series.....I'd rather have Everett in the box with the game on the line.

Since he is signed for next year that changes things. Anything to not sign PK for next year is a good thing.

Taylor - not to change the subject (but I am!) but what was that Italian Beef place on Taylor St. that closed a few years back? I think it began with a "V" and was close to Al's. Came up over dinner last night.

TaylorStSox
07-31-2005, 12:50 PM
Taylor - not to change the subject (but I am!) but what was that Italian Beef place on Taylor St. that closed a few years back? I think it began with a "V" and was close to Al's. Came up over dinner last night.

I have no idea. The furthest east I make go on Taylor is Lu Lu's. :redneck

I'm not a fan of beef's. If I want a dog or a polish, I go to the hot dog stand on Western and Polk.

Ol' No. 2
07-31-2005, 12:50 PM
He replaces Crede. My guess is that the only way to get Huff without giving up our best prospect, BMac, is to give them an everyday player, Crede, and a secondary prospect. That puts Huff at third this year, and Blum is brought in for defense late in the game. Next year, Huff moves to first. Plus, isn't Crede represented by Boras? If that is case, Reinsdorf will not want to deal with that situation a couple of year from now. TakeHuff replacing Crede at 3B? [shudder] There's no possibility Huff can make up with his bat for all the extra baserunners he'll allow.

Why do people think that Reinsdorf won't deal with Boras on Crede? This is not like signing Carlos Beltran. It's not as if he's going to demand huge money. How hard of a bargain can Boras drive?:?: Besides, Crede's not going to be a FA for three more years.

Nyls Nyman
07-31-2005, 12:51 PM
It doesn't matter where Huff plays the rest of the regular season. It only matters where he plays in the post-season. I'd make the trade for McCarthy straight up:

1. He can play 1B and play an almost passable 3B in an emergency. This gives Ozzie some signficant flexibility. Put Huff in RF in the road WS games, and it lets Ozzie pinch-run Carl for Paul, or pinch-hit Carl for Joe.

2. While they've picked up Blum to be the nominal backup 3B for Joe, if Joe isn't available for the playoffs, you can start Huff at 3B, then bring in Blum for defensive purposes. As somebody pointed out in another thread, Joe has two herniated discs. Any of you that have had one of these or have had a family member with one of these can attest that this is a significant risk that must be mitigated.

3. He's a lefty bat and can hit in the #5 or #6 spot.

4. McCarthy could be good. Or he could be the next Dennis Tankersley (SD), or god forbid the next Scott Ruffcorn or Johnny Ruffin.

During the rest of the regular season, I'd play Carl, Huff, and Paul each 5x/week between 1B/RF/DH. That gives Timo/Jermaine/Ross each one start a week at RF(1B for Ross) and then maybe another start in LF to give Pods or Rowand a day off.

TaylorStSox
07-31-2005, 12:52 PM
Huff replacing Crede at 3B? [shudder] There's no possibility Huff can make up with his bat for all the extra baserunners he'll allow.

Why do people think that Reinsdorf won't deal with Boras on Crede? This is not like signing Carlos Beltran. It's not as if he's going to demand huge money. How hard of a bargain can Boras drive?:?: Besides, Crede's not going to be a FA for three more years.

Isn't Uribe a Boras client too? Didn't we sign Uribe to a deal after we traded for him? That's how I remember it. I could very well be wrong.

patbooyah
07-31-2005, 12:53 PM
carl in:
april: .280
may: .198
june: .350
july: .221

what if carl is having a may or july type month come playoff time?

to beat this horse to death, huff is a 2nd half player.

TaylorStSox
07-31-2005, 12:54 PM
carl in:
april: .280
may: .198
june: .350
july: .221

what if carl is having a may or july type month come playoff time?

to beat this horse to death, huff is a 2nd half player.

How many runs has he driven in over that time? I don't care about .AVG at all with a guy like Carl. The only stat that matters is RBI's.

JB98
07-31-2005, 12:56 PM
He replaces Crede. My guess is that the only way to get Huff without giving up our best prospect, BMac, is to give them an everyday player, Crede, and a secondary prospect. That puts Huff at third this year, and Blum is brought in for defense late in the game. Next year, Huff moves to first. Plus, isn't Crede represented by Boras? If that is case, Reinsdorf will not want to deal with that situation a couple of year from now. Take

You're kidding, right?

Our best prospect, a potential gold-glove third baseman and a secondary prospect for a player who is hitting .270? Sorry, I'm a friend of JC, and I'm not willing to screw with the defense on the left side of our infield unless Vizquel is acquired. Buerhle and Garland pitch to contact, and we need quality defenders like Uribe and Crede to suck up all those grounders.

BTW, Crede has more homers than Huff.

Chisox003
07-31-2005, 12:57 PM
carl in:
april: .280
may: .198
june: .350
july: .221

what if carl is having a may or july type month come playoff time?

to beat this horse to death, huff is a 2nd half player.

Yup....
For those of you opposed to Huff, and havent followed him for the last few years, here's what he does....

For April, May, June, he puts up respectable numbers....

Career:
April - .238, 10 HR's
May - .269, 18
June - .303, 13
--------------------
July - .280, 24
August - .342, 26
September - .292, 18

Check his splits, there is no doubt hes a second half player, and what half are we in? This deal needs to be made

Edit: I did not know Crede was now involved....That, I wouldnt be too pleased with

samram
07-31-2005, 12:57 PM
He replaces Crede. My guess is that the only way to get Huff without giving up our best prospect, BMac, is to give them an everyday player, Crede, and a secondary prospect. That puts Huff at third this year, and Blum is brought in for defense late in the game. Next year, Huff moves to first. Plus, isn't Crede represented by Boras? If that is case, Reinsdorf will not want to deal with that situation a couple of year from now. Take

Well, if that's the case, then no thanks. Huff's a butcher at third from all reports.

patbooyah
07-31-2005, 12:59 PM
How many runs has he driven in over that time? I don't care about .AVG at all with a guy like Carl. The only stat that matters is RBI's.

i wouldn't say that the only stat that matters is RBI. if the people ahead of you can get the guy to third base with one out you will have a ton of RBI. See Juan Uribe, the king of the sac fly.

but to be fair, carl is hitting .336 with runners on.
he is hitting .299 with RISP.
he is hitting .321 with RISP with two outs.

those are solid numbers.

patbooyah
07-31-2005, 01:01 PM
and for the sake of comparison:

Aubrey Huff is hitting .271 with runners on.
he is hitting .280 with RISP.
he is hitting .191 with RISP with two out

maybe i would prefer carl.

JB98
07-31-2005, 01:01 PM
It doesn't matter where Huff plays the rest of the regular season. It only matters where he plays in the post-season. I'd make the trade for McCarthy straight up:

1. He can play 1B and play an almost passable 3B in an emergency. This gives Ozzie some signficant flexibility. Put Huff in RF in the road WS games, and it lets Ozzie pinch-run Carl for Paul, or pinch-hit Carl for Joe.

2. While they've picked up Blum to be the nominal backup 3B for Joe, if Joe isn't available for the playoffs, you can start Huff at 3B, then bring in Blum for defensive purposes. As somebody pointed out in another thread, Joe has two herniated discs. Any of you that have had one of these or have had a family member with one of these can attest that this is a significant risk that must be mitigated.

3. He's a lefty bat and can hit in the #5 or #6 spot.

4. McCarthy could be good. Or he could be the next Dennis Tankersley (SD), or god forbid the next Scott Ruffcorn or Johnny Ruffin.

During the rest of the regular season, I'd play Carl, Huff, and Paul each 5x/week between 1B/RF/DH. That gives Timo/Jermaine/Ross each one start a week at RF(1B for Ross) and then maybe another start in LF to give Pods or Rowand a day off.

You lost me when you said you'd have Carl in a pinch-running role. Huh? Put Huff in RF for the road World Series games? Is JD dead? Did he get bit by a spider again?

JB98
07-31-2005, 01:05 PM
Yup....
For those of you opposed to Huff, and havent followed him for the last few years, here's what he does....

For April, May, June, he puts up respectable numbers....

Career:
April - .238, 10 HR's
May - .269, 18
June - .303, 13
--------------------
July - .280, 24
August - .342, 26
September - .292, 18

Check his splits, there is no doubt hes a second half player, and what half are we in? This deal needs to be made

Edit: I did not know Crede was now involved....That, I wouldnt be too pleased with

I don't think anyone here is opposed to acquiring Huff. The difference of opinion is, how much are we willing to give up to get him and what role should he be used in if we acquire him? He's a solid offensive player. No one is really disputing that.

Lip Man 1
07-31-2005, 01:06 PM
Taylor:

You're wrong. Uribe changed agents immediately before the Sox and he agreed on that new deal. The only Sox player on the roster with Scott as an agent is Joe Crede.

Lip

Domeshot17
07-31-2005, 01:12 PM
Anyone who says Huff is a bench player is clearly a fool!

Give me a guy with Aubrey Huff's potential and put him in a REAL LINEUP, not one where he is protected by the likes of Toby Hall and Jared " Im only in the big leagues because of my uncle" Sandberg. Huffs OBP and Average is way down because he hits with no one on base and no one to protect him in the order.

I for for one believe if Huff was given a full year on a contender, or even semi contender such as the mets, he woul dbe hitting closer to 285-290 with 20 home runs. I think he is the exact player we need. Younger guy who would be REAL FIRED UP to play for us and not Triple A Tampa Bay. I love B-Mac I am very high on him, but this is ideal. if you are going to deal him, you want him to end up in 2 spots, the NL, or an AL team that is not a threat to you. Let him go be a stud on Tampa Bay.

JB98
07-31-2005, 01:14 PM
Taylor:

You're wrong. Uribe changed agents immediately before the Sox and he agreed on that new deal. The only Sox player on the roster with Scott as an agent is Joe Crede.

Lip

Lip, wouldn't you agree though that Crede's representation should not be a factor in this discussion? It isn't as if Joe is an impending free agent. We had someone in this thread indicate that we should trade Crede because JR and KW don't like to deal with Boras. My feeling about that is, who cares? We're trying to figure out how to end a World Series drought here. The Sox aren't going to have to worry about a potential contract impasse with Crede for another three years. Three years is forever. We could all be dead by then. Why worry about it?

Chisox003
07-31-2005, 01:18 PM
Lip, wouldn't you agree though that Crede's representation should not be a factor in this discussion? It isn't as if Joe is an impending free agent. We had someone in this thread indicate that we should trade Crede because JR and KW don't like to deal with Boras. My feeling about that is, who cares? We're trying to figure out how to end a World Series drought here. The Sox aren't going to have to worry about a potential contract impasse with Crede for another three years. Three years is forever. We could all be dead by then. Why worry about it?

Yikes, thats a grim thought.....

We need to keep Joe, no doubt about it....His glove is extremely important to this team in itself, but the fact that hes hitting .250 and has 15 HR's and a bunch of big RBI's is reason enough to realize Joe's important to this club

JB98
07-31-2005, 01:18 PM
Anyone who says Huff is a bench player is clearly a fool!

Give me a guy with Aubrey Huff's potential and put him in a REAL LINEUP, not one where he is protected by the likes of Toby Hall and Jared " Im only in the big leagues because of my uncle" Sandberg. Huffs OBP and Average is way down because he hits with no one on base and no one to protect him in the order.

I for for one believe if Huff was given a full year on a contender, or even semi contender such as the mets, he woul dbe hitting closer to 285-290 with 20 home runs. I think he is the exact player we need. Younger guy who would be REAL FIRED UP to play for us and not Triple A Tampa Bay. I love B-Mac I am very high on him, but this is ideal. if you are going to deal him, you want him to end up in 2 spots, the NL, or an AL team that is not a threat to you. Let him go be a stud on Tampa Bay.

Jared Sandberg? I don't think he's played in the bigs in two years. Huff has Gomes and Cantu hitting around him in the middle of the Tampa Bay order.

SABRSox
07-31-2005, 01:22 PM
Jared Sandberg? I don't think he's played in the bigs in two years. Huff has Gomes and Cantu hitting around him in the middle of the Tampa Bay order.

Well, Gomes came up in June, and look at what has happened to Huff's stats since. I think that poster brought up some very good points. Huff would probably produce significantly better in the White Sox lineup.

Now, if we can get him without giving up McCarthy...

DaGame2584
07-31-2005, 01:31 PM
He just missed a HR on Lima

**He just walked**

Chisox003
07-31-2005, 01:33 PM
He just missed a HR on Lima

**He just walked**

That was just foul .... I was thinkin how cool would it be if he HR'd there, and was pulled in the 2nd after being traded, and his last AB was a 2 run bomb for TB

He's hit .424, 4 HR's, 16 RBI's in his last 10 games, FWIW

Palehose13
07-31-2005, 01:34 PM
You want to trade your best pitching prospect for a bench player?:?::?::?:

How much impact does a bench player really have?

I would trade McCarthy for Huff and I don't think Huff is going to be a "bench player". I would bet that he would start about 5 days a week. Say 2 times at DH, 1 or 2 at first, and maybe 1-2 at a corner OF spot per week.

I think Huff would bloom in the Sox line up. He has no protection in Tampa AND one thing that most people overlook is that he would be our starting first baseman next year. I don't think PK will be signed and I hope he isn't for what I would imagine he is asking.

DaGame2584
07-31-2005, 01:37 PM
I cannot believe I'm watching the Royals/Devil Rays game. lol, I just hope KW trades for him soon so I can do something else. I'll tell you guys if he or anyone of them leave the game.

DaGame2584
07-31-2005, 01:38 PM
I would trade McCarthy for Huff and I don't think Huff is going to be a "bench player". I would bet that he would start about 5 days a week. Say 2 times at DH, 1 or 2 at first, and maybe 1-2 at a corner OF spot per week.

I think Huff would bloom in the Sox line up. He has no protection in Tampa AND one thing that most people overlook is that he would be our starting first baseman next year. I don't think PK will be signed and I hope he isn't for what I would imagine he is asking.

100% agreed. Plus the 3 mil we save from not signing PK we can get a FA or help sign Garland to a long term deal.

Ol' No. 2
07-31-2005, 01:39 PM
I would trade McCarthy for Huff and I don't think Huff is going to be a "bench player". I would bet that he would start about 5 days a week. Say 2 times at DH, 1 or 2 at first, and maybe 1-2 at a corner OF spot per week.

I think Huff would bloom in the Sox line up. He has no protection in Tampa AND one thing that most people overlook is that he would be our starting first baseman next year. I don't think PK will be signed and I hope he isn't for what I would imagine he is asking.But pretty much every time you put him in the lineup, he replaces someone just as good. So the net gain is virtually nil. You get bench depth, which is not to be ignored, but still not worth a steep price in trade. And Huff is due almost $7M next year. Despite what some people seem to think, Konerko won't get more than $10M, max, and probably more like $9M. So the net savings is not that great.

Would Huff "bloom" in the Sox lineup? That's more a leap of faith than borne out by an facts. You're entitled to it - I just don't necessarily share it.

Podzilla_40
07-31-2005, 01:39 PM
Carroll said on BP that the Twins inquired about Huff, and LaMar immediately asked for Justin Morneau. The Mets asked about Baez, LaMar asked for Petit. I hope we don't get desperate.

BeviBall!
07-31-2005, 01:40 PM
Carroll said on BP that the Twins inquired about Huff, and LaMar immediately asked for Justin Morneau. The Mets asked about Baez, LaMar asked for Petit. I hope we don't get desperate.

LaMar is a madman.

Mr. White Sox
07-31-2005, 01:41 PM
Carroll said on BP that the Twins inquired about Huff, and LaMar immediately asked for Justin Morneau. The Mets asked about Baez, LaMar asked for Petit. I hope we don't get desperate.

Is LaMar hoping that one of the GMs was hit in the head by too many line drives in his baseball days? Honestly, this guy is a fool if this is true. Not to mention, Huff for David Wright/Jose Reyes? LOL!

BRDSR
07-31-2005, 01:41 PM
I personally hope that McCarthy being "off the table" is posturing by Kenny Williams. If he says that until 2:45 this afternoon and the DRays start feeling some pressure and cave and move Huff for a top-tier outfield prospect and a lesser pitching prospect then thats great. But if they don't, Kenny better get his act together and "cave" himself because Huff is exactly the type of player that the White Sox can use in the next two months and the post-season. He's also signed through '06 which would make it possible to let Konerko go if he asks too much over the offseason. Huff is a perfect fit. At this point Kenny's thought should be "I'm going to get Huff within the next hour and twenty minutes. Now, how little can I give up for him."

Ol' No. 2
07-31-2005, 01:43 PM
LaMar is a madman.He can afford to be. The fact is, D-Rays management doesn't care how good their team is. Between revenue sharing and shared TV and radio money, they get $60M from the league. They have a $30M payroll. What's their financial incentive to field a good team?

DaGame2584
07-31-2005, 01:43 PM
Carroll said on BP that the Twins inquired about Huff, and LaMar immediately asked for Justin Morneau. The Mets asked about Baez, LaMar asked for Petit. I hope we don't get desperate.

LaMar is such a smart GM. That's why Tampa is always ahead of the Yankees and Red Sox.

Much better!

Jurr
07-31-2005, 01:44 PM
LaMar is such a smart GM. That's why Tampa is always ahead of the Yankees and Red Sox.
Dude..you're killing me with the false teal.

Mr. White Sox
07-31-2005, 01:44 PM
LaMar is such a smart GM. That's why Tampa is always ahead of the Yankees and Red Sox.

AHHH! IT BURNS!!

:tealpolice:
"OH MY GOD!"

:tealtutor:

BeviBall!
07-31-2005, 01:47 PM
Well, since the Score has been talking about Dusty Baker and Soriano for the past 4 hours, who knows what the heck is going on. BBTN's special starts in 15 minutes... maybe we'll get some news then.

TomParrish79
07-31-2005, 01:48 PM
BBTN's special starts in 15 minutes... maybe we'll get some news then. one of the rare times you see that posted here at this site

Mr. White Sox
07-31-2005, 01:48 PM
Well, since the Score has been talking about Dusty Baker and Soriano for the past 4 hours, who knows what the heck is going on. BBTN's special starts in 15 minutes... maybe we'll get some news then.

I can't believe I'm actually going to be turning to BBTN for information! The trade deadline turns the world upside down.

BeviBall!
07-31-2005, 01:49 PM
one of the rare times you see that posted here at this site

Seriously. But between Sandberg, Baker, Rich Hill, et al... I can't take this crap anymore.

Ol' No. 2
07-31-2005, 01:50 PM
Well, since the Score has been talking about Dusty Baker and Soriano for the past 4 hours, who knows what the heck is going on. BBTN's special starts in 15 minutes... maybe we'll get some news then.You won't. They don't know any more than what you'll find here - maybe less.

Palehose13
07-31-2005, 01:50 PM
But pretty much every time you put him in the lineup, he replaces someone just as good. So the net gain is virtually nil. You get bench depth, which is not to be ignored, but still not worth a steep price in trade. And Huff is due almost $7M next year. Despite what some people seem to think, Konerko won't get more than $10M, max, and probably more like $9M. So the net savings is not that great.

Would Huff "bloom" in the Sox lineup? That's more a leap of faith than borne out by an facts. You're entitled to it - I just don't necessarily share it.

Let's take a look at three MLB players.

Player 1 has been in the league about 4.5 years (682 games) and here are his career stats: .291BA, .345OBP, .483SLG, 111HR

Player 2 has been in the league about 6 years (985 games) and here are his career stats: .285BA, .339OBP, .492SLG, 177HR's.

Player 3 has been in the league about 6.5 years (1065 games) and here are his career stats: .277BA, .346OBP, .482SLG, and 193 HR's.

Do these guys look very different?

Player 1 is Aubrey Huff. Player 2 is Carlos Lee. Player 3 is Paul Konerko. The GLARING difference to me is that Huff has been putting up those stats on an absolute **** team. I think he'd do a little better with other hitters around him in the line up.

NSSoxFan
07-31-2005, 01:51 PM
Well, since the Score has been talking about Dusty Baker and Soriano for the past 4 hours, who knows what the heck is going on. BBTN's special starts in 15 minutes... maybe we'll get some news then.

And the Snore execs wonder why their radio station is a joke. One hour before the trade deadline and these fools find it important to talk exclusively about the ScRubs. Oh yea, and the Score "baseball expert" George Ofman, who should be here keeping a track of all the rumors is creaming himself in Cooperstown right now. Wow.

Palehose13
07-31-2005, 01:54 PM
And the Snore execs wonder why their radio station is a joke. One hour before the trade deadline and these fools find it important to talk exclusively about the ScRubs. Oh yea, and the Score "baseball expert" George Ofman, who should be here keeping a track of all the rumors is creaming himself in Cooperstown right now. Wow.

I hopped into the car at 12:50 and heard "We're talking only cubs this hour. We're talking Sox next hour.

Ummmm...I haven't heard too much Sox talk in the 1 o'clock hour. :angry:

NSSoxFan
07-31-2005, 01:55 PM
I hopped into the car at 12:50 and heard "We're talking only cubs this hour. We're talking Sox next hour.

Ummmm...I haven't heard too much Sox talk in the 1 o'clock hour. :angry:

YUP!

They were supposed to talk Sox during the 1 o'clock hour. Oddly enough, the whole hour was spent talking about Alfonso Soriano and *gasp* Dave Roberts. What's coming up during the last hour before the trade deadline? Yes, you guessed it: Bears talk.

:o:

Ol' No. 2
07-31-2005, 01:57 PM
Let's take a look at three MLB players.

Player 1 has been in the league about 4.5 years (682 games) and here are his career stats: .291BA, .345OBP, .483SLG, 111HR

Player 2 has been in the league about 6 years (985 games) and here are his career stats: .285BA, .339OBP, .492SLG, 177HR's.

Player 3 has been in the league about 6.5 years (1065 games) and here are his career stats: .277BA, .346OBP, .482SLG, and 193 HR's.

Do these guys look very different?

Player 1 is Aubrey Huff. Player 2 is Carlos Lee. Player 3 is Paul Konerko. The GLARING difference to me is that Huff has been putting up those stats on an absolute **** team. I think he'd do a little better with other hitters around him in the line up.He'll probably be hitting in the bottom half of the order. I don't think they're going to offer that much more protection than what he's got in TB.

The Sox need a big bat. Huff is not a "big bat". He's certainly a good hitter. But he's not a great hitter, and certainly not a difference maker. Even if he returns to his career numbers, he would only replace an equivalent hitter in the lineup any time he plays. He adds depth, but that's about it.

UofCSoxFan
07-31-2005, 01:58 PM
LaMar reminds me of this story:

There are two guys that sell TVs. One sells his tvs for $100 bucks each...looking to make a modest profit on each set and sell many sets.

The other sells his TVs for a millon bucks a piece...his logic being, I only need to sell one and I'll be set for life.

Now who do you think made more money? And who do you think LaMar reminds me of?

Palehose13
07-31-2005, 01:59 PM
YUP!

They were supposed to talk Sox during the 1 o'clock hour. Oddly enough, the whole hour was spent talking about Alfonso Soriano and *gasp* Dave Roberts. What's coming up during the last hour before the trade deadline? Yes, you guessed it: Bears talk.

:o:

Yeah, I love the bears, but it is the last hour(s) of the freaking trade deadline!!!! I turned off the score and have the D-rays game on waiting for Huff to be removed from the line up.

Palehose13
07-31-2005, 02:01 PM
He'll probably be hitting in the bottom half of the order. I don't think they're going to offer that much more protection than what he's got in TB.

The Sox need a big bat. Huff is not a "big bat". He's certainly a good hitter. But he's not a great hitter, and certainly not a difference maker. Even if he returns to his career numbers, he would only replace an equivalent hitter in the lineup any time he plays. He adds depth, but that's about it.

But that's the thing ON2, I don't think that we need a "difference maker" position player. I like our starting line up, but IMO depth is what will take us deep into the playoffs.

samram
07-31-2005, 02:03 PM
But that's the thing ON2, I don't think that we need a "difference maker" position player. I like our starting line up, but IMO depth is what will take us deep into the playoffs.

I agree with that and I also think Huff could hit third, and if not there, fifth. I think his protection will be far better than it has been with Tampa.

Ol' No. 2
07-31-2005, 02:03 PM
But that's the thing ON2, I don't think that we need a "difference maker" position player. I like our starting line up, but IMO depth is what will take us deep into the playoffs.Depth is important. I just don't think you trade away someone like McCarthy for bench depth. There's always a delicate balance between maintaining future strength and strengthening your team this year. IMO, trading McCarthy would only be justified for a difference maker type of player.

Palehose13
07-31-2005, 02:07 PM
Depth is important. I just don't think you trade away someone like McCarthy for bench depth. There's always a delicate balance between maintaining future strength and strengthening your team this year. IMO, trading McCarthy would only be justified for a difference maker type of player.

I also see him as the starting 1st baseman next year. With a core of Buerhle, Garcia, and Garland the next few years, I don't mind losing McCarthy. I want to win the whole thing now. Besides, McCarthy has never really been impressive when facing MLB hitters, so he isn't a sure thing.

I also agree with samram, I don't see Huff hitting at the bottom of the order. I see him at 3rd or 5th...at worst, 6th.

**another BB for Huff.

Cowhead418
07-31-2005, 02:10 PM
I also see him as the starting 1st baseman next year. With a core of Buerhle, Garcia, and Garland the next few years, I don't mind losing McCarthy. I want to win the whole thing now. Besides, McCarthy has never really been impressive when facing MLB hitters, so he isn't a sure thing.

I also agree with samram, I don't see Huff hitting at the bottom of the order. I see him at 3rd or 5th...at worst, 6th.

**another BB for Huff.
So you think Huff will bring us to the WS? Aubrey Huff? Really? There is a better chance of winning the World Series by fielding contending teams over many years than there is putting all your eggs in one basket. Huff is definitely not worth mortgaging the future for.

nedlug
07-31-2005, 02:10 PM
Also, it's not only the protection Huff will have in the lineup... don't forget that he will also provide additional protection for all the current guys...

This would be a great move, ESPECIALLY without giving up Sweeney/Anderson.

Ol' No. 2
07-31-2005, 02:14 PM
I also see him as the starting 1st baseman next year. With a core of Buerhle, Garcia, and Garland the next few years, I don't mind losing McCarthy. I want to win the whole thing now. Besides, McCarthy has never really been impressive when facing MLB hitters, so he isn't a sure thing.

I also agree with samram, I don't see Huff hitting at the bottom of the order. I see him at 3rd or 5th...at worst, 6th.

**another BB for Huff.Don't be too quick to discount McCarthy. He's the real deal. Remember, given his age and experience, he'd normally be starting his first full year in AA. How many young AA pitchers could you bring up to the bigs that wouldn't get absolutely shelled? He's been pushed along fast, which is what you do with good players, but don't be fooled by the fact that he has trouble succeeding at that high level. He's put together three good starts in AAA and all signs are that he's developing well. I'd be surprised if he wasn't starting next year.

There's an old baseball maxim: Never trade away good young pitching. I might do it for a true impact player, but not for someone like Huff. How would this trade look if the Sox didn't even make it to the WS this year and McCarthy turned into the next Dontrelle Willis?

UofCSoxFan
07-31-2005, 02:15 PM
So you think Huff will bring us to the WS? Aubrey Huff? Really? There is a better chance of winning the World Series by fielding contending teams over many years than there is putting all your eggs in one basket. Huff is definitely not worth mortgaging the future for.

How is trading McCarthy...a pitcher that has shown NOTHING on the major league level and has been average in AAA mortgaging our future? What if we have Huff at 1B next year and use the saved money to bring in a starting pitcher?

I mean you are basically saying that if McCarthy doesn't pan out, our team will go down the crapper with him.

UofCSoxFan
07-31-2005, 02:16 PM
Four Words: Kip Wells, Josh Fogg

Ol' No. 2
07-31-2005, 02:16 PM
Four Words: Kip Wells, Josh FoggBrian Daubach

TaylorStSox
07-31-2005, 02:16 PM
I bet half of these ppl writing McCarthy off were demanding that he be in the rotation to start the year.

samram
07-31-2005, 02:16 PM
So you think Huff will bring us to the WS? Aubrey Huff? Really? There is a better chance of winning the World Series by fielding contending teams over many years than there is putting all your eggs in one basket. Huff is definitely not worth mortgaging the future for.

It's not whether he brings the team there, it's whether he gives them a better chance, which he does. The thought of him playing against tough righties in a spot that would have been taken by Timo is enough to make the team better. Furthermore, if you have a chance to win the WS, you go for it. You don't think about the next ten years. That's what the Twins have done, and guess what? Now they're running out of guys who seem to come straight into the big leagues and hit .300. Meanwhile, the Sox have passed them, and Cleveland and Detroit are probably going to be better than they are starting next year.

CYGarland20
07-31-2005, 02:17 PM
I would do McCarthy for Huff in a second. I 2nd that. We need another LH bat in our lineup...........BAD!! Plus insurance for Carl. McCarthy,to me, does not fit in well at the Cell.

Mr. White Sox
07-31-2005, 02:17 PM
A little off-topic, but not really...


Griffey is out of the lineup today.

Via Rotoworld:
Ken Griffey Jr. is out of the lineup today against the Padres.
Even though GM Dan O'Brien keeps saying he's not trading an outfielder, there's been some speculation today about Griffey to the Cubs. Griffey is 13-for-31 with five homers against Woody Williams in his career, so this would be odd timing for a routine day off. Jul. 31 - 3:12 pm et

nedlug
07-31-2005, 02:18 PM
There's an old baseball maxim: Never trade away good young pitching. I might do it for a true impact player, but not for someone like Huff. How would this trade look if the Sox didn't even make it to the WS this year and McCarthy turned into the next Dontrelle Willis?

Let's not play the "What if?" game. Prospects are prospects for a reason... some will pan out, some will become Scott Ruffcorn or Todd Van Poppel.

If we can get a guy who's been on a terrible team but still produces, which fills our needs now, for a guy who may or may not pan out, you have to take it. That being said, I would like to get Huff w/o spending B-Mac.

Ol' No. 2
07-31-2005, 02:19 PM
I bet half of these ppl writing McCarthy off were demanding that he be in the rotation to start the year.In place of Jon Garland, who we would dump for whatever we could get.

SABRSox
07-31-2005, 02:19 PM
A little off-topic, but not really...


Griffey is out of the lineup today.

Cincinatti has 4 OF. This is non-news.

TaylorStSox
07-31-2005, 02:20 PM
The Score's reporting that Willie Mays was pulled from the Giants game last inning.

Jjav829
07-31-2005, 02:23 PM
The Score's reporting that Willie Mays was pulled from the Giants game last inning.

LOL! Now that's good. I'm sitting here on edge waiting for something to break. That helped lighten my mood. Thanks. :thumbsup: :D:

Palehose13
07-31-2005, 02:24 PM
So you think Huff will bring us to the WS? Aubrey Huff? Really? There is a better chance of winning the World Series by fielding contending teams over many years than there is putting all your eggs in one basket. Huff is definitely not worth mortgaging the future for.

Nope. I never said that. I think Buehrle, Garland, Garcia, Pierzynski, Podsednik, Rowand, Dye, Crede, Uribe, Iguchi, Konerko, Everett, AND Huff could bring us to the world series.

I totally agree with what I had bolded in your quote. IIRC, the guys on this year's team that are questionable about returning next year are : Konerko, Thomas, and Everett (did I miss anyone?). Huff is signed for next year and would fill in for one of those three guys nicely (not that I am saying that Huff is equal to Frank Thomas, but he would be a decent DH) and would soften the blow of losing one, some, or all of those guys next year so that we can keep contending.

When do you HONESTLY see McCarthy becoming an impact player on a major league team? I think he is more than a year away.

ChiWhiteSox1337
07-31-2005, 02:24 PM
Gotta love the Score. Less than an hour to the deadline and they're talking about the Bears. :?:

SABRSox
07-31-2005, 02:26 PM
Gotta love the Score. Less than an hour to the deadline and they're talking about the Bears. :?:

Isn't it obvious that Brad Maynard's leg is the most important story in Chicago sports this weekend?

Podzilla_40
07-31-2005, 02:27 PM
Sunday, July 31, 3:15 p.m. ET: The White Sox are looking again. While they haven't increased any offer, they have been willing to get creative. They're talking with a couple teams about deals that would increase the offers they have made to the Devil Rays. They've also inquired about what it would take to make Dmitri Young (http://baseballprospectus.com/dt/youngdm01.shtml) their new DH.

What the hell?

Domeshot17
07-31-2005, 02:27 PM
Take it for what you want, but Bruce Levine reported ...Kenny Williams is done trading with no activity going on in this last 30 mins.

If Geoff Blum is the big move and nothing else is done and we all sweated out a deadline like this, you could see a Grown man cry if you come to lyons IL

SABRSox
07-31-2005, 02:28 PM
What the hell?

Where's that from?

Jjav829
07-31-2005, 02:29 PM
Gotta love the Score. Less than an hour to the deadline and they're talking about the Bears. :?:

Zaidman and Haugh"As we break away from Bears news for a minute. George Ofman has breaking White Sox news. What's going on George?"

Ofman: "Well, in surprising news, the Sox have just traded absolutely nothing and in return received Manny Ramirez, Aubrey Huff, Billy Wagner, Jason Schmidt, Scott Eyre and Omar Vizquel. But in today's big news, the Cubs are going hard after Dave Roberts, offering up Jerry Hairston Jr."

Zaidman and Haugh:"Wow, that's amazing. Dave Roberts. Well, keep us updated George. We're all eagerly awaiting this potential blockbuster trade to bring the Cubs a true leadoff man. Back to our dicussion, who replaces Brad Maynard now?"

Palehose13
07-31-2005, 02:31 PM
What the hell?

Well, Dmitiri did say that the division was going to be between us and the Indians. Maybe he knew something about a trade before we did...

Podzilla_40
07-31-2005, 02:32 PM
Where's that from?
Baseball Prospectus

Jjav829
07-31-2005, 02:32 PM
Take it for what you want, but Bruce Levine reported ...Kenny Williams is done trading with no activity going on in this last 30 mins.

If Geoff Blum is the big move and nothing else is done and we all sweated out a deadline like this, you could see a Grown man cry if you come to lyons IL

Oh man, Levine better be wrong. 30 minutes left and nothing going on. Perhaps all the afternoon games have delayed the announcements of trades. We can only hope.

:hawk
"C'mon Kenny! C'mon Kenny! C'mon Kenny! C'mon Kenny!"

sthbndsox
07-31-2005, 02:33 PM
I am going to be sooo dissappointed if this is the only deal made... I've been expecting to bring in a big name, but I could have lived with something less than that. But I honestly thought that we'd bring in someone better that Geoff Blum. Maybe it's my fault for expecting too much...

cbrownson13
07-31-2005, 02:33 PM
Cincinatti has 4 OF. This is non-news.


Not when Griffey is hitting .420 with 5HRs off Woody Williams. Speculation is that he may go to the Cubs. I'm guessing that won't happen, but I wouldn't call it "non-news".

TaylorStSox
07-31-2005, 02:34 PM
If you look at it from Tampa Bay's perspective, McCarthy is probably the only guy they want. They have a ton of positional prospects. Gio, Tracey and Liotta are all a couple years away. I'm not surpised that we probably won't make any moves.

Personally, I'd find it funny that so many of guys have been all over these rumors for 2 months and all we end up doing is getting Blum. :redneck

samram
07-31-2005, 02:35 PM
Not when Griffey is hitting .420 with 5HRs off Woody Williams. Speculation is that he may go to the Cubs. I'm guessing that won't happen, but I wouldn't call it "non-news".

Well, as was the situation with the supposed Dunn/Kearns thing, the only way I trade KG to the Cubs is if Prior is coming back.

Jjav829
07-31-2005, 02:36 PM
Personally, I'd find it funny that so many of guys have been all over these rumors for 2 months and all we end up doing is getting Blum. :redneck

You're going to find it funny if we stand pat and do nothing to improve the team? I sure the **** don't find standing pat funny.

TaylorStSox
07-31-2005, 02:39 PM
You're going to find it funny if we stand pat and do nothing to improve the team? I sure the **** don't find standing pat funny.

Yeah. There aren't any players out there that I'm drooling over. I still think we have a damn good shot at bringing it home. I don't want to mortgage the future for this year. We have a chance at building a good franchise. I'd rather be Atlanta, who doesn't go out and make huge trades, than Arizona.

SluggersAway
07-31-2005, 02:46 PM
I find it funny (and even sad given all the energy exerted over false rumours).

You can't give up nothing for something, and I don't think KW wants to rock the boat given the extremely positive results so far this year.

It is funny to see people think it is so easy for KW to just say the word and a top quality player will jump on a plane headed for O'Hare. It just doesn't work that way. Trades are a risky business and the market so far is not a good one.

But, for all those folks about to pull their hair out as 3 pm Central beckons, remember that the trade deadline is fictitious, the only deadline that matters is when they have to solidify the roster before the play-offs.

Palehose13
07-31-2005, 02:47 PM
Yeah. There aren't any players out there that I'm drooling over. I still think we have a damn good shot at bringing it home. I don't want to mortgage the future for this year. We have a chance at building a good franchise. I'd rather be Atlanta, who doesn't go out and make huge trades, than Arizona.

I still don't see how giving up McCarthy is mortgaging the future. If it were McCarthy, Sweeney, AND Anderson...I would say that KW was mortgaging the future.

*sidenote: 15 minutes to go and it looks like Huff is still in the game.

PAPChiSox729
07-31-2005, 02:47 PM
Yeah. There aren't any players out there that I'm drooling over. I still think we have a damn good shot at bringing it home. I don't want to mortgage the future for this year. We have a chance at building a good franchise. I'd rather be Atlanta, who doesn't go out and make huge trades, than Arizona.

The only thing one could say to that is that they both have the same number of Series championships in the past 20 years. I always thought that Braves fans became spoiled by all of that winning they've done over the years. But then it must be frustrating to always make the playoffs and never go anywhere. I don't care how we get it, I just want to see a WS championship on the southside.

Rocklive99
07-31-2005, 02:48 PM
I doubt Huff is coming, the TB gm is down right stupid, he wanted Prior and another ML ready pitcher from the Flubs earlier in the year for him.

I don't mind not making any more deals. I can't stand a trade for the sake of making a trade. Making a move in no ways guarantee you will be better, in fact, it can royally screw you, especially if KW had the attitude of some of you that a deal had to be made, where GMs would know that he would be willing to do anything. I find it funny the way some people here scream for names, as if this is some FA market, and you can easily pick guys up for nothing or minor leaguers that everyone knows will amount to nothing. The funny thing is, these same people would call for the head of KW if the people he trades for don't produce and/or the people he trades away do produce. I trust KW by now that he only does things when it will improve the team, so I don't mind if moves aren't made.

EDIT: Also KW has more information than I do, so I trust him more when evaluating a Schmidt, Burnett, or Wagner

Vernam
07-31-2005, 02:59 PM
Where's Dick Clark? ESPN is in the final minutes of their BBTN extravaganza counting down to the trade deadline, but there's no big glass ball descending as the throngs begin their chant: 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 . . .

Surprise! No big trades? NONE?

VC

Palehose13
07-31-2005, 03:01 PM
Where's Dick Clark? ESPN is in the final minutes of their BBTN extravaganza counting down to the trade deadline, but there's no big glass ball descending as the throngs begin their chant: 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 . . .

Surprise! No big trades? NONE?

VC

Huff is currently at the plate and my clock reads 3:00...

BeviBall!
07-31-2005, 03:03 PM
Major League Baseball is boring. No trades at all? Yawn.

Still a possibility deals can be announced on delay.

Chisox003
07-31-2005, 03:06 PM
Well, obviously we're dissapointed we couldnt add *something* that would help really put this club over the top...

But hey, we're 67-35 with the guys we have....We didnt give up any of players for the future (Mccarthy, Anderson, Sweeney...), and in my opinion, the D rays really messed up here

There's still an outside chance something goes down, but Im not extremely upset if nothing happens

Time to get back to baseball folks :gulp:

Cowhead418
07-31-2005, 03:10 PM
I blame LaMar. What a ****ing douchebag.:angry:

Tekijawa
07-31-2005, 03:11 PM
I guess it's bust!

TomParrish79
07-31-2005, 03:12 PM
So I am guessing we are at the "Bust" portion of the thread?

Palehose13
07-31-2005, 03:12 PM
Well at least the cubs didn't get Manny, Soriano, and Griffey jr. as was reported. :cool:

Domeshot17
07-31-2005, 03:12 PM
Oh boy, We kept Sweeney and Anderson and Young and already have Pods and Rowand and now have 5 OF that could be around for 8 years +. Yah, maybe we can pick up a Lyle Overbay or whatnot in the offseason, but, the world series will be gone by then, and if we dont atleast come close, I will be pretty upset with KW.

Palehose13
07-31-2005, 03:13 PM
I guess it's bust!

I'll believe that it is a bust only if Huff comes to the plate again in the D-Ray game.

Ol' No. 2
07-31-2005, 03:15 PM
Nope. I never said that. I think Buehrle, Garland, Garcia, Pierzynski, Podsednik, Rowand, Dye, Crede, Uribe, Iguchi, Konerko, Everett, AND Huff could bring us to the world series.

I totally agree with what I had bolded in your quote. IIRC, the guys on this year's team that are questionable about returning next year are : Konerko, Thomas, and Everett (did I miss anyone?). Huff is signed for next year and would fill in for one of those three guys nicely (not that I am saying that Huff is equal to Frank Thomas, but he would be a decent DH) and would soften the blow of losing one, some, or all of those guys next year so that we can keep contending.

When do you HONESTLY see McCarthy becoming an impact player on a major league team? I think he is more than a year away.Yes. I think McCarthy will be in the rotation next year - maybe as a 5th starter, but as an impact player down the line.

DaveIsHere
07-31-2005, 03:16 PM
I'll believe that it is a bust only if Huff comes to the plate again in the D-Ray game.


True, I am holding out....Please keep us updated


On the other hand maybe the copier got jammed and the paperwork hasnt been sent yet!?!?!?

TomParrish79
07-31-2005, 03:17 PM
On the other hand maybe the copier got jammed and the paperwork hasnt been sent yet!?!?!? Maybe Lonestar "Jammed" their radar

skobabe8
07-31-2005, 03:17 PM
True, I am holding out....Please keep us updated


On the other hand maybe the copier got jammed and the paperwork hasnt been sent yet!?!?!?

LOL...we are REALLY getting desperate!

Vernam
07-31-2005, 03:19 PM
But hey, we're 67-35 with the guys we have....We didnt give up any of players for the future (Mccarthy, Anderson, Sweeney...), and in my opinion, the D rays really messed up here . . . Time to get back to baseball folks :gulp:Also on the bright side, it seems none of our potential playoff opponents improved themselves substantially. Would be harder to handle the inaction if any of BOS, NYY, LAA, or OAK had scored an impact player.

I can't blame KW for not wanting to mess up a good thing, especially when this team at times seems to be defying gravity. The players should feel good that none of them were viewed as expendable. Except for Willie. :D:

VC

Palehose13
07-31-2005, 03:40 PM
True, I am holding out....Please keep us updated


On the other hand maybe the copier got jammed and the paperwork hasnt been sent yet!?!?!?

LaMar being interviewed now. He didn't trade anyone. He wasn't just going to "give away" his players. He sounds very bitter about it...keeps saying over and over that he wasn't going to give anyone away.

Jjav829
07-31-2005, 03:43 PM
LaMar being interviewed now. He didn't trade anyone. He wasn't just going to "give away" his players. He sounds very bitter about it...keeps saying over and over that he wasn't going to give anyone away.

Well **** LaMar. Someone tell him he screwed up big time. This was his chance to capitalize on Baez and Huff's value. He won't get nearly the same value in the offseason. Baez is the best of the available relievers now. Come the offseason, Baez won't have nearly the same value. Ditto for Huff. He was the best hitter that was truly available. In the offseason, there will be a lot of 1B and OFs available, significantly lowering the interest in Huff. Lamar screwed up. What else is new?

samram
07-31-2005, 03:44 PM
LaMar being interviewed now. He didn't trade anyone. He wasn't just going to "give away" his players. He sounds very bitter about it...keeps saying over and over that he wasn't going to give anyone away.

Well, good for him. Now he can plan on having to give Huff away next season when his price comes down due to impending free agency. Bang up job you're doing there, Chuckie. Loser.

Domeshot17
07-31-2005, 04:00 PM
Huff just singled, him batting= no trades as expected

BeviBall!
07-31-2005, 04:01 PM
Well, good for him. Now he can plan on having to give Huff away next season when his price comes down due to impending free agency. Bang up job you're doing there, Chuckie. Loser.

The man is insane. This team could actually be decent if he wasn't such a roto-GM.