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MRKARNO
07-30-2005, 05:48 PM
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=4274

The White Sox have made their final push, asking again about all three of their target acquisitions: A.J. Burnett (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/dt/burneaj01.shtml), Billy Wagner (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/dt/wagnebi02.shtml) and Huff. The Sox have made their best offers on all three and would take the first agreement, since all offers involve common players. It's an interesting ploy by Kenny Williams and his staff.

So Kenny is really putting the onus on the other teams to bite first because they may lose out on their chance to trade these guys if they don't take our offer. It also means that there are three impact players that we are still actively after. I like that we're in this scenario, but I have a hunch we're most likely to get Huff.

Jjav829
07-30-2005, 05:53 PM
I'm torn. I don't know which one I'd rather have. We could use all three, really. It would be nice if KW could find a way to mix and match and still come away with 2 of these players, but I'm sure that's doubtful.

Chisox003
07-30-2005, 05:53 PM
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=4274
So Kenny is really putting the onus on the other teams to bite first because they may lose out on their chance to trade these guys if they don't take our offer. It also means that there are three impact players that we are still actively after. I like that we're in this scenario, but I have a hunch we're most likely to get Huff.

I agree, I think Aubrey will be on the southside by 3 ET tomorrow....At least I really, really hope so

He probably comes cheapest of the 3, and the phillies continue with their stubborn foolishness....Seriously, where is that team going?

The Marlins seem to want too much for Burnett, but as far as Huff goes, Im really anxious to see the offer for him....

Would Mac be involved? Sweeney? Anderson? Young? Hmm.....

BeviBall!
07-30-2005, 06:05 PM
At this point, give up what's necessary. Get some playa's, KW!

MarkyBear
07-30-2005, 06:08 PM
and the phillies continue with their stubborn foolishness....Seriously, where is that team going?

I thought about that too, but maybe GM's saw what happened to the Sox after the White Flag trade and don't want to suffer the same backlash regardless if they feel their team has a legitimate shot or not!?!

samram
07-30-2005, 06:25 PM
I think that one of the DRays guys will end up with the Sox, if anyone does. I also don't think their price tags are going to end up being that high, outside of a Ramirez deal. I don't think TB will make out as well in any other deal since with that deal, one team is basically being forced to trade a top five hitter and TB will be the team which ends up with the equivalent prospect compensation in return. Boston can't really end up even in that deal, IMO, given the players on the Mets and DRays.

Ok, that sounded better in my head than it reads, but I think it makes some sense. Not that not making sense has ever stopped me.

shoota
07-30-2005, 06:40 PM
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=4274



So Kenny is really putting the onus on the other teams to bite first because they may lose out on their chance to trade these guys if they don't take our offer. It also means that there are three impact players that we are still actively after. I like that we're in this scenario, but I have a hunch we're most likely to get Huff.

That is smart strategy by Ken Williams, and also, doesn't mean he cannot obtain more than one of those men. His strategy may work to obtain one player, and nothing prevents him from continuing discussions with the other two teams, using the strategy again.

This intelligent general managing reminds me of John Paxson's strategy of making public knowledge that he will sign all of his restricted free agents, leaving other teams to look elsewhere to free agents who are easier to sign. This strategy also lets other teams set the price for the Bulls free agents, most likely driving down the price Paxson, and the Bulls will have to pay.

Chicago has two very intelligent General Managers.

BeviBall!
07-30-2005, 06:41 PM
Huff and Cameron are still in their respective games.

Brian26
07-30-2005, 09:05 PM
Someone's going to give. Either Phily, Tampa, or Florida will give in before
tomorrow's deadline. The question is: who calls KW first.


From BP, Wills Mill:
The White Sox have made their final push, asking again about all three of their target acquisitions: A.J. Burnett (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/dt/burneaj01.shtml), Billy Wagner (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/dt/wagnebi02.shtml) and Huff. The Sox have made their best offers on all three and would take the first agreement, since all offers involve common players. It's an interesting ploy by Kenny Williams and his staff.

DrGiggles
07-30-2005, 10:07 PM
Its about 99.9% impossible to get Schmidt or Burnett now according to their GM's so I guess its up to Huff and Baez.

NSSoxFan
07-30-2005, 10:09 PM
Its about 99.9% impossible to get Schmidt or Burnett now according to their GM's so I guess its up to Huff and Baez.

According to Stark, the Sox made a final push for Schmidt today and got turned down. Burnett is staying in Florida.

Brian26
07-30-2005, 10:15 PM
According to Stark, the Sox made a final push for Schmidt today and got turned down. Burnett is staying in Florida.

I'll believe it at 4pm tomorrow :D: Too much can happen between now and then.

WhiteSox16K
07-30-2005, 11:33 PM
I found this comment on NY Daily News breaking news site. It's actually about Manny and the Red Sox/Mets/DRays deal not happening but about fifth paragraph down has this comment:

While the Sox chose to sit Ramirez vs. the Twins last night at Fenway for unspecified reasons, Tampa Bay was nearing a deal that would ship Aubrey Huff - one of Boston's primary acquisitions in the Ramirez blockbuster - to the White Sox.

Who knows what they know, but it's a very interesting article about the whole Manny situation too.

EDIT: Crap, forgot the link...
www.nydailynews.com/front/breaking_news/story/332894p-284491c.html (http://www.nydailynews.com/front/breaking_news/story/332894p-284491c.html)

Optipessimism
07-30-2005, 11:37 PM
According to Stark, the Sox made a final push for Schmidt today and got turned down. Burnett is staying in Florida.

Why doesn't KW offer to trade them Joe Borchard for about seven or eight of their top prospects? Sabean seems to love those deals.

Then we can let them keep Borchard and ship all of their prospects back to them for Schmidt, Visquel, Eyre, Feliz, and cash.