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RKMeibalane
07-28-2005, 02:46 PM
Link (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=schoenfield/050728&num=1)

:chunks

mr_genius
07-28-2005, 02:53 PM
Frank will make the HOF, don't worry

ps. stop using that picture, it's messed up

lol

kittle42
07-28-2005, 02:54 PM
Maybe the Hurt should have been in a twentieth-place tie.

MIgrenade
07-28-2005, 02:56 PM
I guess he fails to realize Thomas has better stats in all but stolen bases.

Baby Fisk
07-28-2005, 02:58 PM
Link (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=schoenfield/050728&num=1)


Dude, have you had a series of strokes in the past 48 hours? Your thread titles have become more and more incomprehensible. :?:

mr_genius
07-28-2005, 02:58 PM
Biggio is NOT getting into the hall

ESPN is on crack, as usual

cheeses_h_rice
07-28-2005, 03:05 PM
Dude, have you had a series of strokes in the past 48 hours? Your thread titles have become more and more incomprehensible. :?:

The race to 10,000 posts must be taking its toll...

:)

samram
07-28-2005, 03:06 PM
The race to 10,000 posts must be taking its toll...

:)

ZING!

RKMeibalane
07-28-2005, 03:09 PM
Dude, have you had a series of strokes in the past 48 hours? Your thread titles have become more and more incomprehensible. :?:

No. My thread titles are more the result of frustration with some of the garbage that the Tabloid keeps putting out.

NardiWasHere
07-28-2005, 03:29 PM
Frank will probably be in the "close calls" part of the article. I don't understand how he can put Pujols and Cabrerra in the hall for sure, yet his "debatable" ones will include a guy who has put up the numbers already (Thomas). Why does he say Jr.'s injuries don't matter, but JuanGone's will? No sense.

JRIG
07-28-2005, 03:40 PM
Biggio is NOT getting into the hall

ESPN is on crack, as usual

Any particular reason why? He's pretty much automatic righht now and will be even more so once he grabs 3,000.

Mr. White Sox
07-28-2005, 03:47 PM
Bagwell:
2311 H, 488 2B, 449 HR, 1525 RBI, 1400 BB, 1555 K, .297/.408/.541/.949

Thomas:
2136 H, 447 2B, 448 HR, 1465 RBI, 1466 BB, 1165 K, .307/.427/.568/.995



Frank has one less HR, higher walks, far fewer strikeouts, .010 higher career average, and .050 higher OPS. The only numbers that he considerably lacks compared to bagwell are 60RBI, 31 2B, and about 180 H. One more good season for Frank, and he is a surefire HOF and definitely better than Bagwell. At this point, his overall numbers are comparable to Bagwell's, with Frank having a major lead in OBP.


Oh, and Jeff Bagwell never went seven straight years of at least .305, 100 BB, 100 RBI, 100 R seasons, with every season but one having at least a 1.000OPS

SomebodyToldMe
07-28-2005, 03:53 PM
Any particular reason why? He's pretty much automatic righht now and will be even more so once he grabs 3,000.

I agree. The guy's been one of those players that you'd LOVE to have. Plus, no matter where the guy plays, he delvers. Biggio's a HOFer.

mr_genius
07-28-2005, 04:28 PM
Any particular reason why? He's pretty much automatic righht now and will be even more so once he grabs 3,000.

career average under .300, less than 300 career hr's and about 1,000 career RBI's. 3,000 hits is impressive (when/if he gets there)

not hall of fame material IMHO

Flight #24
07-28-2005, 05:02 PM
Frank will probably be in the "close calls" part of the article. I don't understand how he can put Pujols and Cabrerra in the hall for sure, yet his "debatable" ones will include a guy who has put up the numbers already (Thomas). Why does he say Jr.'s injuries don't matter, but JuanGone's will? No sense.

Not to worry, I'm sure the Thomas section will read as follows:

"Looking at Frank's statistics, there's no doubt that he should be a first ballot hall of famer. But since many of my media brethren are bonafide morons, because the biased Chicago media has spent much of his career spewing inaccuracies and falsehoods about him, and because some idiots believe that playing a perfectly legal position (DH) shouldn't make one eligible for the hall, there will be those who try to prevent him from getting in".

JRIG
07-28-2005, 08:54 PM
career average under .300, less than 300 career hr's and about 1,000 career RBI's. 3,000 hits is impressive (when/if he gets there)

not hall of fame material IMHO

If that's your criteria for Hall-of-Famers at 2nd base, the list would be insanely short. Biggio's got 1600 runs scored, is 18th all-time in doubles, has 400 stolen bases (5th among active players), and is probably the best 2nd baseman since Joe Morgan in addition to his other attributes.

But if that's not enough...

mr_genius
07-28-2005, 11:12 PM
If that's your criteria for Hall-of-Famers at 2nd base, the list would be insanely short.


good point

however, there are other positions with under representation in the hall (3rd base).

btw. 400 stolen bases isn't a "legendary number"

maurice
07-29-2005, 12:11 PM
While this is obvious to all of us, it's a bit of a surprise to hear it from ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=schoenfield/050729&num=0), especially in light of some of the other odd choices (tons of pitchers):

The Steroid Era means 500 home runs no longer ensures automatic induction -- and the Big Hurt is moving toward 500 more slowly than Bob Wickman moves through a buffet line. Ultimately, whether he scrapes past the 500 barrier should have no bearing on his Hall status; it is, after all, just a number. Thomas (along with Sheffield) is going to be a litmus test as to how much voters have learned from the Sabermetric Revolution: Do they understand that this guy was baseball's best hitter during the 1990s? Before Bonds became Bonds, there was no more feared hitter in the game (excepting maybe the late '90s blips of Mac and Sammy). He won two MVPs (and finished in the top three in three other years), led the AL four times in OPS and on-base percentage, hit above .340 three times and generally scared the hell out of opposing pitchers.

:gulp:

In other news, Mark Buerhle continues to be extremely underrated.

balke
07-29-2005, 12:13 PM
For national media, you can pretty much brush someone off as a moron if they think Frank isn't going in. The main debate that I hear is whether or not he'll be 1st ballot.

UofCSoxFan
07-29-2005, 12:15 PM
I still find it funny that he has Bagwell as a shoo-in at #20, but Thomas is in the maybe (and should) pile at #26 despite having nearly identical stats.

This guy also predicts Prior, Mauer, and freaking Wright (3B from the Mets) as being future Hall of Famers. Ok...whatever. What? No Kerry Wood?

balke
07-29-2005, 12:21 PM
I like Wright, but my god its a bit early to be calling HOF. He's got a ridiculous amount of throwing errors, and errors in general this season. He's gonna have to work on that and he's going to have to show he can hit .300 consistantly. He easily could turn out to be a .280 hitter.