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JB98
07-27-2005, 11:47 PM
Did anyone else notice this today?

Marte faced six batters total, two lefties and four righties.

He walked both lefties on a total of nine pitches. He retired all four righties easily, including three on strikeouts. Against Boston the other day, he walked two lefties and retired the lone righty he faced.

So, Marte has now walked the last four left-handed hitters he has faced. I find it odd that his control problems only occur against lefties. That's a problem for a guy who is considered a left-handed specialist.

nordhagen
07-27-2005, 11:53 PM
Did anyone else notice this today?

Marte faced six batters total, two lefties and four righties.

He walked both lefties on a total of nine pitches. He retired all four righties easily, including three on strikeouts. Against Boston the other day, he walked two lefties and retired the lone righty he faced.

So, Marte has now walked the last four left-handed hitters he has faced. I find it odd that his control problems only occur against lefties. That's a problem for a guy who is considered a left-handed specialist.

Not odd considering the guy seems to suddenly have no stones. You can't come into a game with a 3-run lead in the ninth (Sunday) and walk two guys to bring up Manny Ramirez and leave someone else to clean up the mess. During the game today Rooney said Ozzie basically told Marte it's time to start challenging people and stop nibbling and screwing around out there.

BeviBall!
07-27-2005, 11:54 PM
During the game today Rooney said Ozzie basically told Marte it's time to start challenging people and stop nibbling and screwing around out there.

And Marte's nickname has been born... Mouse.

JB98
07-27-2005, 11:59 PM
Not odd considering the guy seems to suddenly have no stones. You can't come into a game with a 3-run lead in the ninth (Sunday) and walk two guys to bring up Manny Ramirez and leave someone else to clean up the mess. During the game today Rooney said Ozzie basically told Marte it's time to start challenging people and stop nibbling and screwing around out there.

When he faces a lefty, his slider is ending up about a foot outside and in the dirt. Against righties, he throws it over the plate and gets outs.

So, he has stones against right-handed hitters but not lefties? I don't understand what the hell is going on with this guy. We have two lefties in the bullpen, and both are better off facing righties. Although, to be fair to Cotts, he does a good job against everybody. Not so for Marte. Coop needs to come up with something. We need Marte to be effective against lefties. That's his role, for crying out loud.

Banix12
07-28-2005, 12:08 AM
I'll do you one better.

Marte's ERA against lefties this season .278, lefties OBP against him is .385

Against Right handed batters they hit .217 and get on base at a .345

He strikes out more left handers than right handers and has tended to walk more righties but lefties are hitting him at a much better clip.

Both he and Cotts have been better against Righties this season however at least Cotts holds lefties to under a .230 avg. with an obp under .300

JB98
07-28-2005, 12:13 AM
I'll do you one better.

Marte's ERA against lefties this season .278, lefties OBP against him is .385

Against Right handed batters they hit .217 and get on base at a .345

He strikes out more left handers than right handers and has tended to walk more righties but lefties are hitting him at a much better clip.

Both he and Cotts have been better against Righties this season however at least Cotts holds lefties to under a .230 avg. with an obp under .300

That's sounds right. Cotts has been good against both, but better against righties.

As far as Marte goes, my observation is more about what has taken place in the last week, as opposed to the whole season. He's walked way too many, lefties and righties, this year. Recently though, his lack of control against lefties is downright ridiculous.

mealfred13
07-28-2005, 12:16 AM
I'll do you one better.

Marte's ERA against lefties this season .278, lefties OBP against him is .385

Against Right handed batters they hit .217 and get on base at a .345

He strikes out more left handers than right handers and has tended to walk more righties but lefties are hitting him at a much better clip.

Both he and Cotts have been better against Righties this season however at least Cotts holds lefties to under a .230 avg. with an obp under .300

At some point earlier in the season, Cotts held righties to something like a .091 average with lefties at a hefty .348 or so. He's done an excellent job correcting this to the point where both lefties and righties are around .200 against him.

As for Marte, he seems to be afraid to HIT lefties, and therefore can't get anything thrown inside or even over the plate against them. His release point looks to be about 3 feet to the left of the plate, throwing across the left-handed batters' bodies which is what made him so effective against lefties in the past. For some reason, he seems to be afraid that he doesn't have the control to throw across that path without plunking hitters, so he ends up trying to paint the outside corner.

I remember in ST this year, they were trying to get him to throw inside more to righties, which he seems to have become relatively good at, but for whatever reason it seems to have affected his ability to throw inside to lefties...

MIgrenade
07-28-2005, 12:17 AM
When he faces a lefty, his slider is ending up about a foot outside and in the dirt. Against righties, he throws it over the plate and gets outs.

So, he has stones against right-handed hitters but not lefties? I don't understand what the hell is going on with this guy. We have two lefties in the bullpen, and both are better off facing righties. Although, to be fair to Cotts, he does a good job against everybody. Not so for Marte. Coop needs to come up with something. We need Marte to be effective against lefties. That's his role, for crying out loud.

I think it's mental. When he faces a righty he doesn't want to hit the guy so the slider has to be over the plate, but with the lefty that side is open and it goes way off the plate. I can't think of anything else to explain it. Logically he should be better against lefties.

DaleJRFan
07-28-2005, 12:34 AM
We all know that left-handed hitters are better than righties anyway... that's your answer.

Banix12
07-28-2005, 12:35 AM
I think it's mental. When he faces a righty he doesn't want to hit the guy so the slider has to be over the plate, but with the lefty that side is open and it goes way off the plate. I can't think of anything else to explain it. Logically he should be better against lefties.

Yeah, I think it has to be mental. this is the first season he has ever struggled against Lefties. Every other year he dominates them this year it's a different story.