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Irishsox1
07-26-2005, 05:08 PM
The White Sox Current Bullpen and their playoff experience:

Neal Cotts - No Playoff Experience
Bobby Jenks - No Playoff Experience
Damaso Marte - No Playoff Experience
Cliff Politte - No Playoff Experience
Luis Vizcaino - No Playoff Experience
Dustin Hermanson - 2 Games, 4 IP, 1 Hit, 1 Walk

Billy Wagner:
5 Games, 7.71 ERA 4.7 IP 8 hits 4 Er 0 walks 7 K's

GoGoOzzie
07-26-2005, 05:13 PM
The White Sox Current Bullpen and their playoff experience:

Neal Cotts - No Playoff Experience
Bobby Jenks - No Playoff Experience
Damaso Marte - No Playoff Experience
Cliff Politte - No Playoff Experience
Luis Vizcaino - No Playoff Experience
Dustin Hermanson - 2 Games, 4 IP, 1 Hit, 1 Walk

Billy Wagner:
5 Games, 7.71 ERA 4.7 IP 8 hits 4 Er 0 walks 7 K's

So...are you trying to say that we should trade for Wagner due to his playoff experience in comparison, or that we shouldn't because he has done a less than stellar job in the playoffs?

:smile:

hold2dibber
07-26-2005, 05:26 PM
The White Sox Current Bullpen and their playoff experience:

Neal Cotts - No Playoff Experience
Bobby Jenks - No Playoff Experience
Damaso Marte - No Playoff Experience
Cliff Politte - No Playoff Experience
Luis Vizcaino - No Playoff Experience
Dustin Hermanson - 2 Games, 4 IP, 1 Hit, 1 Walk

Billy Wagner:
5 Games, 7.71 ERA 4.7 IP 8 hits 4 Er 0 walks 7 K's

Not sure why you're including Wagner, since there's no way in all hell the Phillies are going to trade him (they're still in the hunt and Wade would be tarred and feathered if he "white flagged" it).

I guess it is something of a concern that the BP guys don't have playoff experience, but I'm not certain that that's a big deal. Without checking, I don't think many of the D-Backs, Marlins or Angels relievers had much playoff experience in the years those teams won the WS.

zach074
07-26-2005, 05:35 PM
Playoff experience is over rated, they have one job wheather its in the middle of the season or in game 7 of the world series and that is to get guys out.

SoxSpeed22
07-26-2005, 06:21 PM
I don't understand the point of this thread, but let's try this instead.
The reason I'm not including the 2004 Blo Sox is because a lot of them were there in 2003 and were lights out.

2001 Diamondbacks
Byung-Hyun Kim- No Prior Experience
Greg Swindell- 4.7 IP, 0 ERA, 4 BB, 2 K
Troy Brohawn- NPE
Mike Morgan- 1.3 IP, 1 K, 0 ERA, 0 BB
Matt Mantei- 2 IP, 4.5 ERA, 1 K, 3 BB
Bobby Witt- 4.3 IP, 5 ER, 3 BB, 4 K

2002 Angels
Troy Percival- NPE
Ben Weber- NPE
Brendan Donnelly- NPE
Scott Schoenweis- NPE
Fransico Rodriguez- NPE
Scot Shields- NPE

2003 Marlins
Ugueth Urbina- NPE
Braden Looper- NPE
Chad Fox- NPE
Rick Helling- 16.3 IP, 3.24 ERA, 19 K, 4 BB
Michael Tajera- NPE
Nate Bump- NPE

You get the point.

Fred Manrique
07-26-2005, 06:30 PM
I don't understand the point of this thread, but let's try this instead.
The reason I'm not including the 2004 Blo Sox is because a lot of them were there in 2003 and were lights out.


2003 Marlins
Ugueth Urbina- NPE
Braden Looper- NPE
Chad Fox- NPE
Rick Helling- 16.3 IP, 3.24 ERA, 19 K, 4 BB
Michael Tajera- NPE
Nate Bump- NPE

You get the point.


Without question the reason the Marlins won was that great experience from Rick Helling.

fquaye149
07-26-2005, 06:51 PM
The White Sox Current Bullpen and their playoff experience:

Neal Cotts - No Playoff Experience
Bobby Jenks - No Playoff Experience
Damaso Marte - No Playoff Experience
Cliff Politte - No Playoff Experience
Luis Vizcaino - No Playoff Experience
Dustin Hermanson - 2 Games, 4 IP, 1 Hit, 1 Walk

Billy Wagner:
5 Games, 7.71 ERA 4.7 IP 8 hits 4 Er 0 walks 7 K's

Not that this means all that much.

For instance, look at the two closers in the ALCS last year. What closer in baseball has had more experience or a better track record in the postseason than Rivera?

Keith Foulke, meanwhile, didn't have jack squat take away his 2003 A's experience.

What did that add up to?

Irishsox1
07-26-2005, 08:31 PM
I wasn't making any point, other than to point out the lack of playoff experience out of the pen for the White Sox. But, I'm glad I did, because it was nice to see how limited playoff experience Florida and Anaheim had and they succeded.

Also, Billy Wagner's name has been kicked around as joining the Sox, so I posted them to just show what they were.

Irishsox1
07-26-2005, 08:32 PM
Not that this means all that much.

For instance, look at the two closers in the ALCS last year. What closer in baseball has had more experience or a better track record in the postseason than Rivera?

Keith Foulke, meanwhile, didn't have jack squat take away his 2003 A's experience.

What did that add up to?

Don't forget game 1 of the 2000 playoffs when Foulke gave up a 2 run homerun to Edgar Martinez and then a solo homerun to John Olerud.

chisoxfanatic
07-26-2005, 08:38 PM
Without question the reason the Marlins won was that great experience from Rick Helling.

:tealpolice:

chisoxfanatic
07-26-2005, 08:39 PM
Playoff experience is over rated, they have one job wheather its in the middle of the season or in game 7 of the world series and that is to get guys out.

Agreed. Everyone starts somewhere, and the players do experience "playoff atmospheres," so there's no reason they can't perform to their same capable levels when the playoffs actually DO come.

Erik The Red
07-26-2005, 08:43 PM
Without question the reason the Marlins won was that great experience from Rick Helling.
:tealtutor:

hold2dibber
07-27-2005, 08:22 AM
Don't forget game 1 of the 2000 playoffs when Foulke gave up a 2 run homerun to Edgar Martinez and then a solo homerun to John Olerud.

Uggh.. I wish I could forget that game. I've never heard a ballpark so quiet as when Martinez's shot went out. Shudder.