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MsSoxVixen22
07-26-2005, 09:26 AM
Hey Guys! I was wondering if anybody else misses Valentin? He was such a sparkplug for the team. I loved it when he did his Sammy impression if he hit a home run against the Cubs. He was a great player IMHO. He was Mr.Clutch too, he almost always came thru with a home run when the Sox needed it. Any thoughts on this guys?

Rocky Soprano
07-26-2005, 09:28 AM
Who?

cleanwsox
07-26-2005, 09:33 AM
I don't miss anybody since a 65-33 record shows we really didn't need any of those guys. Uribe is basically the same type of batter as Jose but his fielding is 10x better. No loss there.

LuvSox
07-26-2005, 09:38 AM
Why?

Madvora
07-26-2005, 09:42 AM
Hey Guys! I was wondering if anybody else misses Valentin? He was such a sparkplug for the team. I loved it when he did his Sammy impression if he hit a home run against the Cubs. He was a great player IMHO. He was Mr.Clutch too, he almost always came thru with a home run when the Sox needed it. Any thoughts on this guys?
I liked the guy, but I think we got rid of him 2-3 years too late. I'm glad that he's gone, but I'd like to see him succeed on another team.

eriqjaffe
07-26-2005, 09:45 AM
As much as I thought Valentin was a great guy, and a great team player, I never thought much of him as an actual baseball player. I was glad to see him leave, and don't miss him (or his .194 batting average) a bit.

Jerko
07-26-2005, 09:45 AM
Hey Guys! I was wondering if anybody else misses Valentin? He was such a sparkplug for the team. I loved it when he did his Sammy impression if he hit a home run against the Cubs. He was a great player IMHO. He was Mr.Clutch too, he almost always came thru with a home run when the Sox needed it. Any thoughts on this guys?

Whoever misses him gets a :tsk: ! If the Sox were 30-66 right now and the SS committed 40 errors, then I would think about it.

TheOldRoman
07-26-2005, 09:46 AM
No, but I do miss his mustache. It was finely sculpted. I wish Uribe would grow some mutton chops or something, this team is desperately lacking facial hair.

GoGoSoxReborn
07-26-2005, 09:47 AM
Yea I miss him a ton much, I mean how could you not miss his 175 K's a season and his best David Beckham impression booting the ball all over the infield.

veeter
07-26-2005, 10:00 AM
No, but I do miss his mustache. It was finely sculpted. I wish Uribe would grow some mutton chops or something, this team is desperately lacking facial hair. Are you kidding? How about Hermanson's interesting patterns and Crede's red neck specials?

StepsInSC
07-26-2005, 10:02 AM
About as much as I miss a swift kick in the balls.

Seriously, there's nothing to miss.

RIP

:manos

TheOldRoman
07-26-2005, 10:09 AM
Are you kidding? How about Hermanson's interesting patterns and Crede's red neck specials?
Wait till Crede's sideburns reach chin level, and then we can talk.

BigEdWalsh
07-26-2005, 10:21 AM
Yeah, he was a great guy but I miss him about as much as I miss Beebee Richards.

Frankly Missing
07-26-2005, 10:24 AM
I could have put fly paper to that upper of lip of his every time he tried to stick it to Frank in the press.

I wonder how much of Frank's "bad attitude " came from years of putting up with that smug twerp in the clubhouse.

At least Konerko' s comments dont seem based in malice, Jose hit below the belt on a few occasions.

See ya, wouldnt want to be ya.

RKMeibalane
07-26-2005, 10:28 AM
Nope. He played well while he was around, but it looks like he's about done. I'm glad he's not here to clog the bases and strike out over and over again.

dcb33
07-26-2005, 10:47 AM
Isn't he still on the DL?

maurice
07-26-2005, 10:49 AM
Wait till Crede's sideburns reach chin level, and then we can talk.

He's certainly no Rocky Biddle.

eriqjaffe
07-26-2005, 11:08 AM
Now that I dwell on it, I can think of a few people that I'm sure miss Jose Valentin.

Johan Santana, Zach Grienke, Jeremy Bonderman...

fquaye149
07-26-2005, 11:14 AM
About as much as I miss a swift kick in the balls.

Seriously, there's nothing to miss.

RIP

:manos


I miss the Jose of 2000. But the last few years made it real easy to part with him.

Vernam
07-26-2005, 11:29 AM
I didn't understand the people who said he was the Sox' heart and soul, unless by that they meant the team didn't have much. For me, he typified the guys who would pad their stats at the expense of the team.

Never trust a SS with a huge glove, because it means he's scared to drop the routine grounder. Middle infielders are meant to wear tiny gloves that just guide the ball to their throwing hand. Valentin's was like a knuckleball catcher's mitt in comparison.

VC

Mercy!
07-26-2005, 11:33 AM
The most recent time I thought of Jose was last night when that grounder went through Angel Berroa’s legs. Found myself shouting "Hands of Stone" at the TV.

I do kind of miss the porn mustache, though.

:manos
"I almost always got a foot
on those routine grounders."

The Dude
07-26-2005, 12:09 PM
Hey Guys! I was wondering if anybody else misses Valentin? He was such a sparkplug for the team. I loved it when he did his Sammy impression if he hit a home run against the Cubs. He was a great player IMHO. He was Mr.Clutch too, he almost always came thru with a home run when the Sox needed it. Any thoughts on this guys?

No chance. Made too much $$$, had too many E's, hit around the .200 mark, K'd a hell of a lot. Besides the heart he possessed, need I say more??

the_valenstache
07-26-2005, 12:52 PM
No, but I do miss his mustache. It was finely sculpted. I wish Uribe would grow some mutton chops or something, this team is desperately lacking facial hair.

It was wonderfully Tom Selleck-ian, wasn't it?

The master of the 3-run homer and the 160 strikeout/40 error season.

Hmmmm.

Yeah, I don't miss him.

nug0hs
07-26-2005, 01:22 PM
I had been saying for YEARS that we are never going to win a division with him as part of our team. My prediction is starting to get closer to being true. I do not miss him one bit...although he occasionally was a good clutch hitter for us I could not stand his constant striking out and blunders at short.

Chicago83
07-26-2005, 01:23 PM
I miss, Jose, Jose, Jose, Jose...

Jose wasn't a great player, but he was a great guy to have on the team, I wouldn't mind him backing up Crede and pinch hitting for us.

fquaye149
07-26-2005, 01:29 PM
I had been saying for YEARS that we are never going to win a division with him as part of our team. My prediction is starting to get closer to being true. I do not miss him one bit...although he occasionally was a good clutch hitter for us I could not stand his constant striking out and blunders at short.

what was 2000?

SomebodyToldMe
07-26-2005, 03:12 PM
No.

veeter
07-26-2005, 03:21 PM
what was 2000? I was going to say that too. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think Jose was a HUGE part of the success of 2000.

soxfan26
07-26-2005, 03:34 PM
He's certainly no Rocky Biddle.

Or Miguel Olivo!

Letmehearya
07-26-2005, 03:57 PM
I miss the 4 beers I needed to pound after watching him botch one play after another and then pop up with runners in scoring position. With Uribe, I'm down to 2 beers. :gulp::gulp:

With Vizquel? :supernana:

HITMEN OF 77
07-26-2005, 04:04 PM
I liked Jose, but I dont miss the Golden Sombrero

TaylorStSox
07-26-2005, 04:54 PM
He made Joe Crede look like Brooks Robinson. He hit a few big home runs but the horrible D, the K's and the inability to put the ball in play will never be missed.

PaleHoseGeorge
07-26-2005, 05:41 PM
I was as big a Manos fan as anyone, but his production dropped dramatically his last 3 seasons with the Sox. So I'm glad he is gone.

His loyalty to the Sox was never properly rewarded, taking less guaranteed money to re-sign with the Sox. Hell, KW went out and traded for that piece of **** Royce Clayton just days after Manos inked his deal to stay. Even KW finally admitted he only made the trade to turn around and trade the Choice again. What a nutjob he truly was his rookie season as GM... the Berry/Barry trade being another example of his ineptness.

Valentin is gone and he isn't hurting us anymore, so I don't understand why some of you clods only remember his last years with the Sox. He was a real hero of the 2000 team. Don't forget we got him to replace that idiot Mike Caruso in the trade with Milwaukee that also brought us Cal Eldred for (drumroll, please) Jaime Navarro and John Snyder! God, what a great trade that was! We don't win the division without Manos.
:thumbsup:

Also, for whoever the dope was who claimed Valentin was a bad clubhouse influence, you overlook the fact Valentin NEVER NAMED NAMES when talking about teammates to the media -- just like a good teammate should. He only talked about "some guys" and never had a diarrhea mouth stuffed full with his own foot, over and over again, just to grandstand for the media. Jose Valentin was NO MEDIA WHORE.

I'm looking forward to the day when Valentin comes back to attend SoxFest as a retired player. He was a special ballplayer from a very special Sox team. That's more than enough to earn my respect... the rest of you clods only bring shame on yourselves for talking him down.

Stupid Sox Fans? Imagine that.
:o:

hose
07-26-2005, 06:06 PM
I will always be a fan of Hose , as Hawk called him. That's why I picked hose as my WSI handle.

Great Cub Killer and good all around guy to have on your team. What he did in 2000 was awesome.

He did fall off last year and couldn't hit a lick from the right side and was home run or nothing from the left. It was time to make a change , Uribe has been solid in the field and is starting to heat up with the bat.

Valentin was hitting the ball pretty good from both sides of the plate for the Dodgers before he got hurt which surprised me. Jose also sparked a couple of big wins for LA in the process.

JermaineDye05
07-26-2005, 06:09 PM
i wont miss his D or strikeouts, but I will miss his homeruns, I dunno why but every time he hit 1 he reminded me of kirk gibson, he was so emotional, he was actually having a nice year for the dodgers, too bad he got hurt

doublem23
07-26-2005, 06:16 PM
I'm looking forward to the day when Valentin comes back to attend SoxFest as a retired player. He was a special ballplayer from a very special Sox team. That's more than enough to earn my respect... the rest of you clods only bring shame on yourselves for talking him down.

Damn right. Every time someone brings up Jose Valentin around here it's like he ****ing ran everyone's dog over and then back over their mother. Jeez... Jose Valentin was the clutch heart and soul of that 2000 team. I don't care if he made 30 errors a season, I'd take him over Royce The Choice anyday. There's a reason he's one of the few guys who's always on our front page.

http://whitesoxinteractive.com/Graphics/00sox.jpg

Maaaaaaaaaanos... Yeeees.

Daver
07-26-2005, 06:22 PM
I would like to see Jose return as the Bench coach for the current team when his playing days are over.

JermaineDye05
07-26-2005, 06:23 PM
itll be nice to see Jose back with the team eventually, same with El Caballo

DumpJerry
07-26-2005, 06:25 PM
Sure his personality was great to have around, but we have some great personalities on the team now (Buehrle, Man Soo Lee, Carl to name some), so we're not lacking that dept.

I don't miss the clutch K's or the clutch, rally producing, errors. He usually made up the errors with a three run homer, but please...............

doublem23
07-26-2005, 06:26 PM
itll be nice to see Jose back with the team eventually, same with El Caballo

I don't know about El Caballo... He's never struck me as being very "baseball smart." The guy I'd like to see as a coach on the staff is Sandy Alomar, Jr. He knew his ****.

DumpJerry
07-26-2005, 06:28 PM
I don't know about El Caballo... He's never struck me as being very "baseball smart." The guy I'd like to see as a coach on the staff is Sandy Alomar, Jr. He knew his ****.
Sandy will be back. The family is too ingrained with the White Sox for him to coach anywhere else. I'm talking about his dad more than brother Robbie......

skobabe8
07-26-2005, 07:18 PM
About as much as I miss a swift kick in the balls.

Seriously, there's nothing to miss.

RIP

:manos


Couldnt have possibly said it any better myself.

mdep524
07-26-2005, 07:20 PM
I was as big a Manos fan as anyone, but his production dropped dramatically his last 3 seasons with the Sox. So I'm glad he is gone.

His loyalty to the Sox was never properly rewarded, taking less guaranteed money to re-sign with the Sox. Hell, KW went out and traded for that piece of **** Royce Clayton just days after Manos inked his deal to stay. Even KW finally admitted he only made the trade to turn around and trade the Choice again. What a nutjob he truly was his rookie season as GM... the Berry/Barry trade being another example of his ineptness.

Valentin is gone and he isn't hurting us anymore, so I don't understand why some of you clods only remember his last years with the Sox. He was a real hero of the 2000 team. Don't forget we got him to replace that idiot Mike Caruso in the trade with Milwaukee that also brought us Cal Eldred for (drumroll, please) Jaime Navarro and John Snyder! God, what a great trade that was! We don't win the division without Manos.
:thumbsup:

Also, for whoever the dope was who claimed Valentin was a bad clubhouse influence, you overlook the fact Valentin NEVER NAMED NAMES when talking about teammates to the media -- just like a good teammate should. He only talked about "some guys" and never had a diarrhea mouth stuffed full with his own foot, over and over again, just to grandstand for the media. Jose Valentin was NO MEDIA WHORE.

I'm looking forward to the day when Valentin comes back to attend SoxFest as a retired player. He was a special ballplayer from a very special Sox team. That's more than enough to earn my respect... the rest of you clods only bring shame on yourselves for talking him down.

Stupid Sox Fans? Imagine that.
:o: Perfectly put! Glad I scrolled down this page before posting anything. I agree totally, PHG! :cheers:

Chips
07-26-2005, 07:26 PM
I loved the music he got when he came up to plate. JOSE JOSE JOSE JOSE JOSE etc etc. His defense was by far not very good, but he had many many clutch hits during his time here. I would also like to see him come back in some capacity once he hangs up his spikes.

Vernam
07-26-2005, 07:57 PM
I'm looking forward to the day when Valentin comes back to attend SoxFest as a retired player. He was a special ballplayer from a very special Sox team. That's more than enough to earn my respect... the rest of you clods only bring shame on yourselves for talking him down.I was living out of state then with only the occasional game on WGN cable, so regarding Jose's importance to the 2000-01 teams, I'll defer to the folks here, whose opinions I respect. But after that, he sure drove me crazy with the terrible fielding and low BA. He's the main reason I cut Uribe so much slack, and hopefully in a couple of years I'll be explaining to some incredulous newbie that Juan was really key to the 2005 championship. :wink:

VC

Jerome
07-26-2005, 08:45 PM
I remember he had a pretty good slugging % for a shortstop. But I don't miss that sub-.2000 BA, the sub-.300 OBP, or the massive K's. And I would guess that Uribe is just a tad better on defense as well.

Jerko
07-26-2005, 09:36 PM
I liked Jose in 2000. I always said that making him move around (CF, 3B) was the start of his downfall. I also remember him refusing to bat exclusively left handed under Manuel, then he tried it last year to no avail. Am I glad the Sox had him? Yes. Do I miss him now? No. I don't miss anybody who is not on the team currently.

Deuce
07-26-2005, 09:39 PM
Anybody Miss Jose Valentin?

Valenstache does. :redneck

Frankly Missing
07-26-2005, 10:05 PM
I was as big a Manos fan as anyone, but his production dropped dramatically his last 3 seasons with the Sox. So I'm glad he is gone.

His loyalty to the Sox was never properly rewarded, taking less guaranteed money to re-sign with the Sox. Hell, KW went out and traded for that piece of **** Royce Clayton just days after Manos inked his deal to stay. Even KW finally admitted he only made the trade to turn around and trade the Choice again. What a nutjob he truly was his rookie season as GM... the Berry/Barry trade being another example of his ineptness.

Valentin is gone and he isn't hurting us anymore, so I don't understand why some of you clods only remember his last years with the Sox. He was a real hero of the 2000 team. Don't forget we got him to replace that idiot Mike Caruso in the trade with Milwaukee that also brought us Cal Eldred for (drumroll, please) Jaime Navarro and John Snyder! God, what a great trade that was! We don't win the division without Manos.
:thumbsup:

Also, for whoever the dope was who claimed Valentin was a bad clubhouse influence, you overlook the fact Valentin NEVER NAMED NAMES when talking about teammates to the media -- just like a good teammate should. He only talked about "some guys" and never had a diarrhea mouth stuffed full with his own foot, over and over again, just to grandstand for the media. Jose Valentin was NO MEDIA WHORE.

I'm looking forward to the day when Valentin comes back to attend SoxFest as a retired player. He was a special ballplayer from a very special Sox team. That's more than enough to earn my respect... the rest of you clods only bring shame on yourselves for talking him down.

Stupid Sox Fans? Imagine that.
:o:

PHG, gee, thanx for calling me a dope, classy of you. However, you are wrong about Jose not naming names. Sometime around Jan of 2004, Jose called out Frank in a ChicagoSports.com article. He flat out said Frank needed to pay more attention to the name on the front of his uniform vs the name on the back.

Hardly what I would call a good team mate. Perhaps you should be certain of your facts before calling posters childish names? Just a friendly suggestion.

Frankly Missing
07-26-2005, 10:09 PM
I think i have to stand corrected, I think it was an article in Daily Southtown.

Tragg
07-26-2005, 11:09 PM
Hey Guys! I was wondering if anybody else misses Valentin? He was such a sparkplug for the team.

He was the clubhouse's Mr Goodwrench.
I liked everything about him except his hitting and his fielding.

Nellie_Fox
07-27-2005, 01:20 AM
Yeah, he was a great guy but I miss him about as much as I miss Beebee Richards.I hate to do this, but since anyone who says Kerry Woods or Jose Valentine gets severely taken to task, I'll point out that the irongloved ss/2b's name is Lee "Bee Bee" Richard.

TornLabrum
07-27-2005, 07:38 AM
I hate to do this, but since anyone who says Kerry Woods or Jose Valentine gets severely taken to task, I'll point out that the irongloved ss/2b's name is Lee "Bee Bee" Richard.

Well technically it's not Jewel's, or Osco's, or even Uno's. Maybe it's part of the same phenomenon. Chicagoans have this thing with ending words with the letter s.

Deuce
07-27-2005, 07:54 AM
Well technically it's not Jewel's, or Osco's, or even Uno's. Maybe it's part of the same phenomenon. Chicagoans have this thing with ending words with the letter s.

Makes sense. I always hear Cub fans talking about how good Kerry Woods is. My usual responce is to laugh and say "who?"

PaleHoseGeorge
07-27-2005, 09:20 AM
PHG, gee, thanx for calling me a dope, classy of you. However, you are wrong about Jose not naming names. Sometime around Jan of 2004, Jose called out Frank in a ChicagoSports.com article. He flat out said Frank needed to pay more attention to the name on the front of his uniform vs the name on the back.

Hardly what I would call a good team mate. Perhaps you should be certain of your facts before calling posters childish names? Just a friendly suggestion.

KONERKO, not Valentin. If Valentin said anything, it was AFTER Konerko. Konerko was calling out Frank by name in 2002.

Have you got a link? I'd love to see the context.

wdelaney72
07-27-2005, 11:51 AM
No.

Stroker Ace
07-27-2005, 11:57 AM
I miss him. The sox need more strikeouts and errors. Only the Latin Freddy Mercury could give us that.

Frankly Missing
07-27-2005, 11:57 AM
PGH, I did find an old thread in WSI dated 7/16/2004 named Troll? Faster than Paulie pleads nolo contendre ( renamed after being sent to the roadhouse). the link to Daily Southtown in the thread ,relating to Valentin calling out Frank, does not bring up the article.

I was originally refering to an article I am unable to find, in Jan or so of 2004. It was soon after Ozzie took the helm and Jose said in no uncertain terms, Frank needs to pay more attention the the name on the front of his uniform vs the name on the back.

Trust me, I am like a dawg with a bone when it comes to remembering who back stabs Frank.

Including the Konerko remarks in 2002 that you are refering to.

Jose did come up clutch and give us lots of thrills and fun at times. I defended his defensive errors more than once, his hustle was not unappreciated.

I think Jose thought he was making brownie points with Ozzie when he made these remarks. But it comes down to Jose being a bad co-worker, trying to make himself look better by putting down someone else. We all know at least one in every workplace.

IMHO, Too bad Frank didnt use him for a toothpick.

chaerulez
07-27-2005, 12:09 PM
Jose was a funny guy, but I he was hit or miss (usually either home run or strikeout basically), and should be a 24-25th man on a baseball team.

maurice
07-27-2005, 12:54 PM
His loyalty to the Sox was never properly rewarded, taking less guaranteed money to re-sign with the Sox.

He probably recouped it all when he stole $5 mil. from the Sox last season. :wink:

PaleHoseGeorge
07-27-2005, 12:59 PM
He probably recouped it all when he stole $5 mil. from the Sox last season.

You may be right. Didn't the Sox pick up his option for 2004? This may have been a tacit "repay" to Valentin for signing with the Sox over Baltimore in November, 2000.

Hangar18
07-27-2005, 01:10 PM
I liked him when he was here .......... many many memorable moments,
and he hated the Cubs as much as we did

fledgedrallycap
07-27-2005, 01:14 PM
:bundy

"NO!"

A season of Uribe fielding SS makes you forget about Jose real quickly.

I stuck up for him and enjoyed his tenure in a Sox uniform, but his time came to move on.

Captian Ron
07-27-2005, 02:01 PM
:cleo My Fortune tells me NO I DON'T MISS JOSE AND HIS MANY STRIKEOUTS!!

Hagan
07-27-2005, 08:37 PM
NO! Not at all!

gehrtsox7
07-27-2005, 09:17 PM
I liked him, who can forget that game against Kansas City he had like 2 years ago when he hit like 4 home runs,,, he looks like the guy on the RED BARON pizza box, I always hate seeing sox players go to other teams, it blows. Graffanino, Mags, Colon, Olivio, Durham, and yes even BILLY KOCH! I wish he would have panned out like he was supposed to.