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MarySwiss
07-25-2005, 04:19 PM
I've been thinking about this a lot after reading all the posts from over the weekend about jerk Red Sox fans. And I'm not sure what to think, so I thought I'd throw this out for discussion. (Plus I'm bored, sitting around waiting for the Sox game to begin!)

I mean, we all know there are already "lifelong" Sox fans jumping on the bandwagon right and left, and if we lost, they'd be the first ones jumping off. But what happens when we win? Do they suddenly morph into jerks and alienate everybody they meet?

People all over the country hate the Yankees for winning all the time and the Cubs for whining all the time, but I don't think it's an automatic thing that winning = hatred, and I believe that how a team's fans conduct themselves has a lot to do with it. Sawx fans are annoying, so people hate them and their team. But I don't think the D'Backs (01), Angels (02), or Marlins (03) are universally hated. And I'd hope the same would--make that WILL--be true for the Sox next year.

Or do you think that media bias--the one that people from back East insist doesn't exist--has a lot to do with it? Maybe the media is as much--or more--to blame as the team's fans are.

What do you guys think?

TaylorStSox
07-25-2005, 04:20 PM
Indifference.

ilsox7
07-25-2005, 04:21 PM
I saw plenty of annoying, drunk Sox fans Friday at the game. It would not surprise me one bit if Sox fans becoming annoying as hell to other teams' fans if/when we win it all.

MIgrenade
07-25-2005, 04:22 PM
Only if we are D-Bags and act like the White Sox are some magical team that is destined to walk with God. So no, we won't be hated because we don't look at things that way.

robiwho
07-25-2005, 04:50 PM
If it means a World Series, they can hate me all they want!

Soxzilla
07-25-2005, 04:57 PM
Well, thanks to XM, we already know that Devil Rays fans hate us with a passion, and would more than likely fight us to the bitter death!

hose
07-25-2005, 05:03 PM
I tried to be an ambassador for our team yesterday.

As I was standing on the platform at the Rosemont stop waiting for the El and a couple of guys come up to me and asked me if I was going to the game. I guess my Sox jersey gave me away, I said yes I was going to the game and asked them if they needed directions. I told them to change to the Red Line at Washington and get off at Sox-35th.

As we boarded the train we struck up a conversation about sports and it was like I was listening to a National Sports show. I could predict all their comments.

Here is the good part, they both were wearing Red Sox attire and I asked them " so you guys are Red Sox fans". They both said they were Cardinal fans and were up from Mississippi on business. :o: I asked them what about last years World Series and they both said they were pulling for the Cardinals but it was just Boston's year.

They asked me if there was places to eat around the Cell. I told yes there was but unless they had an escort it might be hard for them to find them. They couldn't figure out the El so I doubted that they could get around Bridgeport. I recommended getting off at Damien on the way back and there are plenty of places walking distance from the El station.

Then they didn't have any tickets so I told them to go to the box office first before trying to buy tickets on the street. I knew the game wasn't sold out. I also tipped them off to try and get seats on the first base side so they could get some shade.

It turns out they both followed me to the Green Line and I pointed out Soldier Field, ect. I walked them up to the box office after we got off at the Bronzeville stop.

They asked me about Wrigley Field and how do they get there for Mondays game . I told them take the Red Line and that plenty of tickets brokers are around the park. I took the high road and didn't go into the Cubs scalping there fans. I said there are plenty of bars around the park and that they could walk to everything.

When I was asked what type of town Chicago is I answered, "It's a Bear town."

They both were raving about the White Sox success as a team and held them in high regard.

Erik The Red
07-25-2005, 05:10 PM
What do you guys think?
I think we'd better win first, before talking about what will happen afterwards.

MarySwiss
07-25-2005, 05:16 PM
I think we'd better win first, before talking about what will happen afterwards.

Sorry. I guess once again I was not clear. It's called "optimistic--make that realistic--speculating."

A_ROW33
07-25-2005, 05:26 PM
Well, thanks to XM, we already know that Devil Rays fans hate us with a passion, and would more than likely fight us to the bitter death!




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Ol' No. 2
07-25-2005, 05:28 PM
I hope they hate our guts for the next five years.

whitesoxfan
07-25-2005, 05:32 PM
i don't think we'll be hated like the Red Sox/Yankees. It probably would be indifference like when Florida won the WS and when Arizona won it.

i would love for everyone to hate us though once we win the WS 3 of the next 4 years.

SOXfnNlansing
07-25-2005, 05:33 PM
I think a good example of fan loathing or not are the Atlanta Braves' fans. I don't think there are too many non Brave fans that hate their fans. I know the tomahawk chop got old, but surely we looked silly to others when we were waving those silly white towels or sox or whatever they were. I think most fans hate other teams simply for the fact that their team in never in the spot light (nationally). What I mean is that the teams that are shoved down the American public (you know what bunch of teams I'm talking about), most fans root against them. Me personally, the only World Series I've cared about in recent years were the one's that pitted AZ vs NY and the two Marlin championships. Even the Angel's championship was a nice change. I think most people around the country would love to see a White Sox championship and embrace it. Even a few years of CWS dominance in the league wouldn't lead to CWS fan bashing IMO.

TornLabrum
07-25-2005, 05:48 PM
I think the rest of the country is sick of the Yankees and Red Sox because the media has been shoving them down our throats for so many years. I even see somewhat of a backlash against the Cubs because a lot of people, at least in major league cities, are finding out what jerks their fans really are.

There's no way the media are going to shove the White Sox down anyone's throats, even if we dominate baseball for the next five years.

MIgrenade
07-25-2005, 11:38 PM
I tried to be an ambassador for our team yesterday.

Interesting story, though I don't know if it has anything to do with anything. Seems like those people were clueless.

batmanZoSo
07-26-2005, 12:01 AM
I hope they hate our guts for the next five years.

Why stop there? :cool:

Domeshot17
07-26-2005, 12:17 AM
I think if we were to win, or get into the ALCS, it will be taken into 3rds. Fans from rivals and maybe a team like Oakland who beat us would be really mad because " They have better teams then the White Sox"

the next 3rd would be the indifferent baseball fans that turn it on to see whos winning but could give 2 thoughts about it because their team was out in august

the last 3rd would be the typical true American Sports Fan. The Whitesox will be this years baseball version of Rocky. No matter how much we win, we are still the under dog, and America loves pullin for the under dog. If the Red Sox do not make the playoffs, The media may get behind the whitesox like they did the bo sox and talk about how this could be our first title since 1917

TheOldRoman
07-26-2005, 12:39 AM
I think if we were to win, or get into the ALCS, it will be taken into 3rds. Fans from rivals and maybe a team like Oakland who beat us would be really mad because " They have better teams then the White Sox"

the next 3rd would be the indifferent baseball fans that turn it on to see whos winning but could give 2 thoughts about it because their team was out in august

the last 3rd would be the typical true American Sports Fan. The Whitesox will be this years baseball version of Rocky. No matter how much we win, we are still the under dog, and America loves pullin for the under dog. If the Red Sox do not make the playoffs, The media may get behind the whitesox like they did the bo sox and talk about how this could be our first title since 1917
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Rocklive99
07-26-2005, 12:56 AM
The ladies will love Pods, Buerhle, and Garland. I'm sure Fox would bring out every 1917 and 1919 fact sheet they could, so maybe sympathy there. I don't think it will be as bad though. ESPN willl not schill our name as they do the Red Sox/Yankees, and we do have an "army" but we don't raid other people's parks rudely the way a Red Sox or Flub fan would, so it may be closer to the Marlins or Dbacks. Then again, a guy like Hawk would probably rub it in everyone's face, causing everyone to hate us. The possibilities are endless!

Arkham
07-26-2005, 01:04 AM
How many teams in baseball actually have a fan base that the rest of fandom is likely to have an opinion on? The Yankees and Red Sox, sure, but how many others? Maybe Cub fans, although I think folks who don't actually have to share a city with them might have a more neutral view of those.

I mean seriously, how many people have strong feelings about Giant fans, for example? Dodger fans do, maybe A's fans. The rest of the league? How many people have strong feelings about Mariner fandom, or Astro fandom? I doubt a whole lot, excepting the fans of their rivals. I think the only impact Sox "fans" have made was when the idiots jumped out onto the field. Thankfully that seems to be behind us. Besides that, I just don't think there's that strong a feeling about us either way. A few WS rings later, maybe that changes.

ChiSoxPatF
07-26-2005, 01:16 AM
If we win it all I don't care if their burning effegies of Sox fans in every major metropolitan area in the free world.

That said, I don't think you can really hate the actual Sox fanbase. We're just as passoniate and real as anyone else and some may actually feel glad for us (like I mistakenly did last fall with the BoSox until they became so annoying and the Yankees v2.0).

What everyone will hate about the Sox is when all the trendy idiots that donned blue for the first time in '98 jump ship and become "lifelong Sox fans." At that time we'll have a Sox Army civil war with our new counterparts. But, once again, I'll take that if it means I get to see a Sox World Series in my lifetime.

StillMissOzzie
07-26-2005, 01:54 AM
I don't think that Sox fans will incur the wrath of the nation as a whole, because

1) We don't force our presence upon other teams to the extent seen by the ScRubs, BoSox, and others.
2) We genuinely appreciate our good fortune, unlike the blase Atlanta Braves fans, who don't even fill their stadium for the first round or two of playoffs since they've been there something like the last 11-12 years now. OT, but when the ScRubs played the Braves back in 2003, the Cubune had an interesting story that it would be cheaper for ScRub fans to fly to Atlanta, get a hotel, dine, and buy playoff tickets at Turner Field (which were readily available) than it would be to pay scalper prices to see the ScRubs play at the Urinal.
3) And if the Sox win the WS and I go on a six month celebration bender, I won't care anyhow!

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voodoochile
07-26-2005, 06:15 AM
If we win it all I don't care if their burning effegies of Sox fans in every major metropolitan area in the free world.

That said, I don't think you can really hate the actual Sox fanbase. We're just as passoniate and real as anyone else and some may actually feel glad for us (like I mistakenly did last fall with the BoSox until they became so annoying and the Yankees v2.0).

What everyone will hate about the Sox is when all the trendy idiots that donned blue for the first time in '98 jump ship and become "lifelong Sox fans." At that time we'll have a Sox Army civil war with our new counterparts. But, once again, I'll take that if it means I get to see a Sox World Series in my lifetime.

Thank You! Having been on WSI for the last 5 years, I figure I can spot a true Sox fan when I need to...

Love me, hate me, ignore me... just win, baby...:cool:

Letmehearya
07-26-2005, 07:27 AM
For many years, I've seen Sox fans at road games having a great time cheering on the lads. [Remember the early 80's games in Milwaukee where 20,000 of the 50,000 were Sox fans?] I don't seem to recall reading articles from other town's reporters about how obnoxious we were. I agree with the position that it doesn't matter - because it doesn't. I'd rather be respected than loved.

TornLabrum
07-26-2005, 07:34 AM
How many teams in baseball actually have a fan base that the rest of fandom is likely to have an opinion on? The Yankees and Red Sox, sure, but how many others? Maybe Cub fans, although I think folks who don't actually have to share a city with them might have a more neutral view of those.

I mean seriously, how many people have strong feelings about Giant fans, for example? Dodger fans do, maybe A's fans. The rest of the league? How many people have strong feelings about Mariner fandom, or Astro fandom? I doubt a whole lot, excepting the fans of their rivals. I think the only impact Sox "fans" have made was when the idiots jumped out onto the field. Thankfully that seems to be behind us. Besides that, I just don't think there's that strong a feeling about us either way. A few WS rings later, maybe that changes.

Unfortunately much of the rest of the country has an opinion about Sox fans. We are tattooed drunks who run on the field attacking coaches and umpires. The media kind of failed to emphasize the fact that Ligue "isn't even much of a baseball fan" (according to his ex-wife, iirc) and Dybas is a Cubs fans who just used the excuse of both teams being home to drive home drunk from a Cubs game, drive back drunk to the Sox game, and then get even more plastered there.

Baby Fisk
07-26-2005, 07:41 AM
In the past year, Boston fans have shown us exactly how NOT to act. They have been classless, arrogant, condescending, vainglorious and obnoxious. Yes, we know you won. **** already! They were much more tolerable as losers. At least then they weren't strangers to humility. Clearly, they all skipped the seminar on How To Act Like A Champion. I hope they don't win again for another 86 years.

As for the Sox, I can't see them being hated. Prediction: a White Sox World Championship will be treated as a lucky fluke in a year when the Yankee and Boston teams were in decline, and the NL had only one dominant team in St. Louis. Fluke! Lucky! You all know what the Chicago headlines will say...

TornLabrum
07-26-2005, 07:50 AM
You all know what the Chicago headlines will say...

2006: The year of the Cubs!
Writers Poll: Chicago (AL) will be lucky to finish 4th in weak AL Central

jdm2662
07-26-2005, 08:03 AM
My views if we win it all would be, who cares?? We won. Other fans are just jealous... Boy, I hope it comes down to that.
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Hitmen77
07-26-2005, 08:06 AM
The rest of the country already has no respect for us. Sports boobs like Bob Costas, Boston Gammons and networks like ESPN pretend that we don't exist. These clowns will just endlessly fawn over the Yankees, Red Sox, Cubs, Cards, etc. If the Sox won the WS, they would just go on and on about how it's bad for baseball and they'll spout their usual BS about how this hurts baseball because no one wants to see the Sox win.

As far as other fans across the country. I'm sure they already have preconceived biases that Sox fans are gang bangers or total white trash and that Ligue is a typical Sox fan. I think winning it all will actually help improve our image and highlight how intelligent and loyal most Sox fans are.

They'll be able to contrast our general behavior with that of totally-full-of-themselves Red Sox and Cub fans. When we visit opposing parks in large numbers (like we did this year in Colorado and San Diego), they will note that we don't re-christen their park as "Comiskey West" or "The Cell South". We generally don't act like obnoxious drunk frat boys at their parks and TV telecasts won't be constantly panning to the crowd to show Sox fans act like total buffoons jumping up and down like ass-clowns every time the Sox get a hit.

bunnybrief
07-27-2005, 06:41 AM
I saw plenty of annoying, drunk Sox fans Friday at the game. It would not surprise me one bit if Sox fans becoming annoying as hell to other teams' fans if/when we win it all.

I was at Thursday's game, and it seems the liquor was flowing more freely, but everyone was pretty well-behaved.

There was a massive jam at the L afterwards. The line was full of young Chad-n-Trixie types in newish looking Red Sox gear, so I'm guessing they were bandwagoners. I mean, I went to a Sox / Red Sox game last year, too, and it was a different crowd.

But who cares what other people think. Why would someone be a fan of this team if they cared what people think in the first place?