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voodoochile
07-18-2005, 10:02 PM
:winner

:supernana: :supernana: :supernana: :supernana: :supernana: :supernana: :supernana: :supernana:

CubsfansareDRUNK
07-18-2005, 10:03 PM
CREDE! :supernana:
URIBE:supernana:
FRANK!:supernana:

cheeses_h_rice
07-18-2005, 10:03 PM
I coulda swore I saw Maggs making a mad dash for the White Sox's clubhouse, grabbing a uniform along the way...

:gulp:

Erik The Red
07-18-2005, 10:04 PM
Keep the mutton chops, Joe! :supernana:

Unregistered
07-18-2005, 10:04 PM
:winner

Great comeback today. I thought this was an L early. That's why we play 9 innings, I suppose. :D:

We might be up 13 games by night's end. I'm just saying...

TaylorStSox
07-18-2005, 10:04 PM
:crede

"Shoota, bite me!!!"

Cowhead418
07-18-2005, 10:04 PM
CREDE! :supernana:
URIBE:supernana:
FRANK!:supernana:
Don't forget :supernana: KONERKO!:)

whitesoxfan
07-18-2005, 10:04 PM
:winner

what a comeback. Joe made him pay for that hanger. 12 1/2 up now :supernana:

Reminds me of 83
07-18-2005, 10:04 PM
OK all you Crede bashers, your train is leaving.


Way to Go SOX!!!! Great win

LuvSox
07-18-2005, 10:05 PM
OH BOY, what a game, what a season!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

CanBuehrleWait
07-18-2005, 10:05 PM
I went to the store bottom of the 6th.... came back bottom of the 7th and it went from 4-1 Kitties to 6-4 Sox.... I love this team... lesson learned... way to go Joe:gulp:

Rocklive99
07-18-2005, 10:05 PM
I love Joe Crede! Keep the chops!

HebrewHammer
07-18-2005, 10:05 PM
I saw Jose Contreras smiling in the dugout today, just goes to show what a properly timed 3 run BOMB by Joe Crede can do.

Great win, let's get the kitties again tommorrow.

RadioheadRocks
07-18-2005, 10:05 PM
How 'bout a little Motown for this Sox victory...


"They're dancin' in Chica-go!!!"

:supernana: :bandance: :supernana: :bandance: :supernana: :bandance: :supernana: :bandance: :supernana:

Jjav829
07-18-2005, 10:06 PM
JOE CREDE!!! Woohoo!!! :bandance: :bandance: :bandance:

Jump on the Crede bandwagon now, there's still room.

It's funny reading the Tigers message board. Some of them wanted the Tigers to hit a Sox player because their relievers such so much they can't keep the ball in the park.

Hey, Dmitri, you think we have a chance at the division now?

Joe Crede!!!! :gulp: :bandance: :gulp: :bandance: :gulp:

delben91
07-18-2005, 10:06 PM
:crede

"That one counts!"

Man, I love it. A clutch homerun and stellar defense.

A different hero every night, way to go Sox!

:bandance:

NSSoxFan
07-18-2005, 10:06 PM
WHAT A GAME!

I went out to Subway right before the bottom of the 7th and got to hear the whole thing. Does this mean I shouldn't watch games anymore when the Sox are behind?

:D:

SoxSpeed22
07-18-2005, 10:06 PM
Awesome late innings! Excellent relief work! another win!:supernana::supernana::supernana:

rowand33
07-18-2005, 10:06 PM
awesome game by Crede. Definite star.

Viz looked awesome out there.

El Duque didn't look so fantastic. I'm happy he gave us a chance to win at least.

glad to see Rowand continues his post-break tear. Just wish we'd get some extra base hits.

I'm real happy Thomas hit that homer because he flat out sucked before that. 3 awful at bats before the homer.

but bottom line is:


:winner
:twinslose

nothing's sweeter than a comeback victory.

Realist
07-18-2005, 10:07 PM
Our nana - :bandance:

Their nana -http://www.ezupa.com/misc/banana-still.gif

SOXfnNlansing
07-18-2005, 10:07 PM
wtg JOE ..... my ptc :bandance:

Unregistered
07-18-2005, 10:07 PM
<ahem>

2 outs...

California Sox
07-18-2005, 10:07 PM
Huge win!!! Twinkies are down 3-2 in the bottom of the 11th with two outs and Nick Punto stepping up to the dish.

iamkoza
07-18-2005, 10:07 PM
I'm not sure when this season will sink in, hopefuly sometime in november

So.ILSoxFan
07-18-2005, 10:07 PM
:crede
"Does this one count shoota?":rolleyes:

California Sox
07-18-2005, 10:08 PM
He gone!

Unregistered
07-18-2005, 10:08 PM
:twinslose

13 GAME LEAD!

:bandance:

whitesoxfan
07-18-2005, 10:08 PM
:twinslose

13 game lead.......YEEEEEEEEEES!

elrod
07-18-2005, 10:09 PM
Up by a baker's dozen.

RadioheadRocks
07-18-2005, 10:10 PM
Sox win!!! :supernana: :supernana: :supernana:

Twins lose!!! :supernana: :supernana: :supernana:


Can you dig it??? :supernana: :supernana: :supernana:

Tragg
07-18-2005, 10:10 PM
"The Twins have no weaknesses; they are ready to pounce on the WhiteSox" - Baseball Prospectus c. early June, 2005.

Brian26
07-18-2005, 10:10 PM
The magic number is down to 59 :D:

Oh, and we've STILL only lost five games against the division this year.

TwinGats
07-18-2005, 10:10 PM
Take that AL Central.

:bandance: :bandance: :bandance: :bandance: :bandance:

Kogs35
07-18-2005, 10:12 PM
joe :bandance: :bandance: :bandance: :gulp: :gulp: great come back win tonight :bandance: :bandance:

GoGoSoxReborn
07-18-2005, 10:12 PM
This is the type of game that would make me pretty sad if I was Maggs.


:ozzie
"We having fung now"

:maggs

"Oh yea well... well F you guys I'm rich!"

:dye: :pods: :jon :everett: :burly :crede :hurt

"HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA"

elrod
07-18-2005, 10:13 PM
31-5 vs. the AL Central.

rowand33
07-18-2005, 10:14 PM
http://www.survivinggrady.com/young.jpg
"Forget the other teams. I think it's going to come down to us and [the Indians]."

Still think the AL central comes down to you and the Indians Dmitri?

Offense wins games, defense and pitching win championships.

winning ugly 72
07-18-2005, 10:14 PM
Unbelievable! THIS IS AWESOME

Realist
07-18-2005, 10:15 PM
http://www.survivinggrady.com/young.jpg
"Forget the other teams. I think it's going to come down to us and [the Indians]."

Still think the AL central comes down to you and the Indians Dmitri?

Offense wins games, defense and pitching win championships.

You just know that Young is guaranteed a job doing analysis for BBTN when he retires.

Brian26
07-18-2005, 10:16 PM
http://www.survivinggrady.com/young.jpg
"Forget the other teams. I think it's going to come down to us and [the Indians]."


Yeah. You and the Indians for 3rd ****ing place!

LuvSox
07-18-2005, 10:16 PM
http://www.survivinggrady.com/young.jpg
"Forget the other teams. I think it's going to come down to us and [the Indians]."

Still think the AL central comes down to you and the Indians Dmitri?

Offense wins games, defense and pitching win championships.

He's on crack, if you couldn't tell.

southsidegirl
07-18-2005, 10:17 PM
http://www.survivinggrady.com/young.jpg
"Forget the other teams. I think it's going to come down to us and [the Indians]."

Still think the AL central comes down to you and the Indians Dmitri?

Offense wins games, defense and pitching win championships.

Wow, I didn't think anyone was capable of looking and talking like such a tedious gimp.

NDSox12
07-18-2005, 10:18 PM
He's on crack, if you couldn't tell.

I couldn't tell.... until I saw that photo.

At least he made that comment in April, compared to Casey Blake saying something equally absurd just yesterday.

wsbaseball9
07-18-2005, 10:19 PM
joe deserves a gold glove nod
nice though...gotta be the sideburns :bandance: :bandance: :bandance:

mccoydp
07-18-2005, 10:20 PM
I'm out of things to say; talking about this team's comebacks is like a broken record.

I've been a Sox fan (and baseball fan) since the last few months of the 1990 season, and I can honestly say that this is the all-around best team I've seen yet...they win the games that count, and dig deep in the gut to do so.

Good game tonight! Great HRs by Crede, Uribe, Konerko, and Thomas!

kj.hayes
07-18-2005, 10:22 PM
Unbelievable. I'm speechless. What a team, what a win!

owensmouth
07-18-2005, 10:24 PM
One of the big differences between this team and the past few years is that the Sox are not making defensive mistakes. I don't mean errors, but the type of mental mistakes that give up earned runs (throwing to the wrong base or trying to throw out a runner at the plate, allowing a single to be turned into a double). Like Ozzie says, it's smart baseball.

ShoelessJoeS
07-18-2005, 10:24 PM
i havent seen a sox game in since the all star break due to work....looks like i need to work more often. 5 IN A ROW, GO SOX!!!!!:bandance:

Lorenzo Barcelo
07-18-2005, 10:27 PM
Wow what a game! What heriniated discs? I think hes feelin fine.:supernana:

Muopsies
07-18-2005, 10:27 PM
I was most pleased by Uribe's homer. He's been struggling at the plate but making good contact and he was very patient that time up and it paid off. I hope he continues to do well. Overall, good win, Duque didn't pitch half bad for being idle for a month and the pen did well. What else is there to say? Oh and great play by Crede in the second.

veeter
07-18-2005, 10:27 PM
Why no Hermanson?

halfpricemonday
07-18-2005, 10:27 PM
"Forget the other teams. I think it's going to come down to us and [the Indians]."



I guess he forgot to include the Royals. They're definitely in the running too.

He was talking about which team will lose the most games to the 62-29 White Sox, right? :D:

batmanZoSo
07-18-2005, 10:29 PM
Hahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahaha

TornLabrum
07-18-2005, 10:29 PM
Why no Hermanson?

I think I heard Levine say something about shoulder and/or back problems on the radio today.

infohawk
07-18-2005, 10:29 PM
Too beautiful...can't find...words...need a....poet.

LuvSox
07-18-2005, 10:29 PM
Wow what a game! What heriniated discs? I think hes feelin fine.:supernana:

We have a new WSI'er named Lorenzo Barcelo?
To each his own:D:

Lorenzo Barcelo
07-18-2005, 10:30 PM
Why no Hermanson?
I was thinking the same thing, but I didn't want to post anything negative after a win like this. I dont think he has pitched since the 1-0 win and tonite was a save situation...

LuvSox
07-18-2005, 10:31 PM
I think I heard Levine say something about shoulder and/or back problems on the radio today.

Cliffy stepped right up.

illinibk
07-18-2005, 10:31 PM
At least he made that comment in April, compared to Casey Blake saying something equally absurd just yesterday.
What did he say?

Daver
07-18-2005, 10:32 PM
Cliffy stepped right up.

Cliffy?


Don't make me shoot you.

Tragg
07-18-2005, 10:32 PM
I guess he forgot to include the Royals. They're definitely in the running too.
Well, the Tigers are a lot closer to the Royals in the standings than they are to the Sox.

DoggPhood
07-18-2005, 10:34 PM
I ain't about to be hatin' on Cliff, he's been awesome all year... but there he was in the closer's role, and he gave up a homer...

CubsfansareDRUNK
07-18-2005, 10:35 PM
Cliffy?


Don't make me shoot you.

to quote the big lebowski "Jesus!"

rowand33
07-18-2005, 10:37 PM
the Dmitri Young comments make every win against the Tigers sweeter to me.

Mags and Pudge have nothing to even do with it at this point..

The promos before the game on FSN Detroit had a detroit player (I dunno who) saying "we just think we're the better team"

and I remember the last time we played them in a close win somebody on the Tigers was like "It sucks losing to them because we're the better team no matter what the records are"

When you factor Mags and Pudge back in with their arrogance, I'm starting to hate the Tigers as much as the Twins.

LuvSox
07-18-2005, 10:38 PM
Cliffy?


Don't make me shoot you.


:roflmao::roflmao::roflmao:
Ok OK OK, Mr. Politte. :D:

Iguana775
07-18-2005, 10:38 PM
Cliffy?


Don't make me shoot you.

*****

DC Sox Fan
07-18-2005, 10:38 PM
This number never looked so good.

Magic #:
http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:elpyiiL890MJ:www.angelfire.com/rnb/bill3/il59.jpg

Hitmen77
07-18-2005, 10:40 PM
62-29!!! Incredible!!!!!

Ron Karkovice
07-18-2005, 10:40 PM
I ain't about to be hatin' on Cliff, he's been awesome all year... but there he was in the closer's role, and he gave up a homer...

You've got to be kidding me.

soxlug
07-18-2005, 10:41 PM
Shoota at least make a cameo tonight. We really didn't need that HR, cause Uribe would of hit the home run that counted if Crede had walked:rolleyes:. Rowand33 that picture of Young is hilarious. Gentleman just for all Sox fans everywhere take a moment and remember that 62 and 29 is actually reality...........:gulp: WOW!!

TomBradley72
07-18-2005, 10:42 PM
Crede's "curtain call" = shades of 1977

How about Willie's dance in the dugout?\

Hawk called Cliff = "Baby Hawk"...anyone heard that one before.?

What a great night...I was watching on TIVo...the phone started ringing off the hook just before Paulie was coming up on my TV (I was about 15 minutes behind "real time")...I knew another Sox comeback was coming.

skobabe8
07-18-2005, 10:45 PM
OH BOY, what a game, what a season!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Len Kasper and Bob Brenly, is that you? :D:

soltrain21
07-18-2005, 10:46 PM
I was going to mention Willie's dance. That was priceless. I could picture him singing "Who let the dawgs out" in his head.

beckett21
07-18-2005, 10:46 PM
Not much more to say that hasn't already been said.

Way to go Joe! :cool:

LuvSox
07-18-2005, 10:47 PM
Len Kasper and Bob Brenly, is that you? :D:

Two points here skobabe8:

#1. Don't ever associate me with the Flubs

#2. How do you know what Len Kasper says?

dpbyron
07-18-2005, 10:49 PM
Just got back from the game.... The electricity in that place when Crede hit the bomb gave me the chills!

I have never heard Na na na sung so loud when Cy Spurling was pulled.

UNREAL :bandance:

DickAllen72
07-18-2005, 10:51 PM
Way to go, Joe! Great defense and the clutch home run! :bandance: :bandance:

Nice to have El Duque back! He was a little rusty, but kept us in the game. Much better than having a minor league 5th starter. I believe Duque will get stronger as the season progresses. :gulp:

Sox win, Twins lose! :bandance: :bandance: :bandance:

Realist
07-18-2005, 10:52 PM
Two points here skobabe8:

#1. Don't ever associate me with the Flubs

#2. How do you know what Len Kasper says?

Who's Len Kasper? :?:

Unregistered
07-18-2005, 10:52 PM
I was going to mention Willie's dance. That was priceless. I could picture him singing "Who let the dawgs out" in his head.Yeah, if this was 5 years ago. :D:

LuvSox
07-18-2005, 10:53 PM
Who's Len Kasper? :?:

#3. Who the **** is Len Kasper? :D:

skobabe8
07-18-2005, 10:54 PM
Two points here skobabe8:

#1. Don't ever associate me with the Flubs

#2. How do you know what Len Kasper says?

Nothing personal, LuvSox. I've heard that quote a trillion times this year on that commercial on Comcast about Derek Lee. It came to mind.

batmanZoSo
07-18-2005, 10:55 PM
You've got to be kidding me.

Hahahahaha...

He is entitled to give up a RUN every now and then isn't he? Now his ERA is up to a gaudy 1.

skobabe8
07-18-2005, 10:57 PM
That dude who announces their games? His name isnt Len kasper? Oh well. Who cares!! Why are we talkiing about this??!!


oh Oh OH ITS MAGIC!..........59!

TimoandAaron
07-18-2005, 10:59 PM
Just got back from the game:D: :D: :supernana: :supernana: :supernana: :gulp: :gulp:

White Sox, White Sox GOOOOOOOOOOO WHITE SOX.

We're going nuts in U.S. Cellular!

LuvSox
07-18-2005, 11:00 PM
That dude who announces their games? His name isnt Len kasper?

Oh good lord, I need a drink :gulp:

skobabe8
07-18-2005, 11:07 PM
Oh good lord, I need a drink :gulp:

See I was right.

If you watch Comcast for more than 5 minutes a day you'll see the commercial.

itsnotrequired
07-18-2005, 11:08 PM
Just got back from the game:D: :D: :supernana: :supernana: :supernana: :gulp: :gulp:

White Sox, White Sox GOOOOOOOOOOO WHITE SOX.

We're going nuts in U.S. Cellular!

Just got back from the game as well. Signature update time!

LuvSox
07-18-2005, 11:10 PM
See I was right.

If you watch Comcast for more than 5 minutes a day you'll see the commercial.

Oh for ****'s sake, why do I have to explain this?

I know who Len Kasper is. All I'm trying to say is you shouldn't pay attention to the flubs. I've never seen that commercial.

We may have to go to 3 Floyd's to straighten this out. :gulp:

itsnotrequired
07-18-2005, 11:11 PM
:twinslose

13 GAME LEAD!

:bandance:

I was on the El platform after the game and got the score on my phone. I let everyone know that the Twins lost and the platform went berserk!

TimoandAaron
07-18-2005, 11:15 PM
Right before Crede's AB, i qoute myself on this. I said, "If Crede hits a home run, this place is up for grabs."

After Thomas hit his HR, i said,"que PAULIE chant" Then the Paulie Chant started.

chuckn98229
07-18-2005, 11:16 PM
Had the Detroit announcers on MLB Extra Innings tonight. After the 3rd home run in the 7th, they said that there were rumors that the Sox stole signs at 'Comiskey' and that Konerko, Crede, and Frank must have known what pitch was coming. Absurd! Why did they wait till the 7th to steal signs when there were scoring opportunities earlier in the game? I guess there are still a lot of disbelievers out there.

skobabe8
07-18-2005, 11:18 PM
Oh for ****'s sake, why do I have to explain this?

I know who Len Kasper is. All I'm trying to say is you shouldn't pay attention to the flubs. I've never seen that commercial.

We may have to go to 3 Floyd's to straighten this out. :gulp:

J**** C*****. Thats my point! I wasnt sure of the guys name! BELIEVE ME----- no one pays less attention to them than me. Hence, I wasn't positive that was indeed his name!

Thats my last post about this garbage. It was a "first instinct" post gone wrong. I'll end this by saying I'm the jackass who brought it up. Don't be a moron like me and allow this thing to breath one post more!

:nuts: :kukoo:

Daver
07-18-2005, 11:22 PM
Had the Detroit announcers on MLB Extra Innings tonight. After the 3rd home run in the 7th, they said that there were rumors that the Sox stole signs at 'Comiskey' and that Konerko, Crede, and Frank must have known what pitch was coming. Absurd! Why did they wait till the 7th to steal signs when there were scoring opportunities earlier in the game? I guess there are still a lot of disbelievers out there.

It is well known that Joe Nosseck could steal just about any team's signs by the third inning, he was the master.

I doubt Harold Baines can stay awake long enough to do it.

LuvSox
07-18-2005, 11:25 PM
J**** C*****. Thats my point! I wasnt sure of the guys name! BELIEVE ME----- no one pays less attention to them than me. Hence, I wasn't positive that was indeed his name!

Thats my last post about this garbage. It was a "first instinct" post gone wrong. I'll end this by saying I'm the jackass who brought it up. Don't be a moron like me and allow this thing to breath one post more!

:nuts: :kukoo:

I'm gonna beat your ass!:D:

Seriously, it's over. Let's drink. :gulp: Munster only has like four places to drink, what do you folks do?

skobabe8
07-18-2005, 11:30 PM
I'm gonna beat your ass!:D:

Seriously, it's over. Let's drink. :gulp: Munster only has like four places to drink, what do you folks do?


Cheers, Johnny's Tap, Charlie's Ale House, and...... my house. I guess you're right! On nights like this, I make myself a few rum & cokes, and by the time the bottom of the 7th rolls around and Joe Crede steps to the plate, I'm feeling FANTASTIC!

Where is Soxville? I'd really like to move there! :D:

Wirtzsucks19
07-18-2005, 11:33 PM
Cheers, Johnny's Tap, Charlie's Ale House, and...... my house. I guess you're right! On nights like this, I make myself a few rum & cokes, and by the time the bottom of the 7th rolls around and Joe Crede steps to the plate, I'm feeling FANTASTIC!

Where is Soxville? I'd really like to move there! :D:I just sent you the Pods all star video.

itsnotrequired
07-18-2005, 11:33 PM
I doubt Harold Baines can stay awake long enough to do it.

:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:

skobabe8
07-18-2005, 11:34 PM
I just sent you the Pods all star video.

Awesome dude. Thanks!

tebman
07-18-2005, 11:35 PM
I saw the 7th inning in a bowling alley bar tonight -- what a comeback!

Even with the silent screen, the bar erupted with whoops after Crede's HR.

:bandance: :bandance: :bandance:

tebman
07-18-2005, 11:36 PM
Cue the tomato...

Wirtzsucks19
07-18-2005, 11:40 PM
:tomatoaward

Wirtzsucks19
07-18-2005, 11:40 PM
Cue the tomato...thank you, i was waiting for that post. :D:

GoGoSoxReborn
07-18-2005, 11:41 PM
Right before Crede's AB, i qoute myself on this. I said, "If Crede hits a home run, this place is up for grabs."

After Thomas hit his HR, i said,"que PAULIE chant" Then the Paulie Chant started.


Miss Cleo is that you?

johnnyg83
07-18-2005, 11:42 PM
ANd back in early June, Steve Phillips said Minnesota would be in first place by July 1st... he must have meant August, right?

Brantley + Phillips = give those cats a raise. (teal)

chisoxfanatic
07-18-2005, 11:43 PM
Yet another excellent game to go to. I was in the 300 (328) level for the first time ever, and that place is GREAT, even though it doesn't even feel like a baseball stadium in the concourse!

Crede is the bomb for tonight!!! I give props to Konerko and Frank as well as Uribe! I also give props to the guy sitting in Section 328, Row 5, Seat 10 for standing the entire 7th inning, prompting a nice rally that resulted in us beating Detroit.

That place was up for grabs from the 7th inning on!

I'll be there once again tomorrow night...This time in Section 118.

ndu3t4
07-18-2005, 11:43 PM
I liked the way Joe added that nice little bat toss to rub it in a little.

skobabe8
07-18-2005, 11:43 PM
ANd back in early June, Steve Phillips said Minnesota would be in first place by July 1st... he must have meant August, right?

Brantley + Phillips = give those cats a raise. (teal)

"They'll be a lot of people crying in their beer in Chicago. Look to Minnesota."

I know someone has that in their sig.....

slobes
07-18-2005, 11:44 PM
Joe Crede.... YES!
:crede

TimoandAaron
07-18-2005, 11:46 PM
Yet another excellent game to go to. I was in the 300 (328) level for the first time ever, and that place is GREAT, even though it doesn't even feel like a baseball stadium in the concourse!

.The 300 level concourse sorta feels like a hotel with consecions.

I was there, in sec 163 row 8. First time in the bleachers and the fan deck. It was awesome, but i was dissapointed in Franks inability to hit me with a home run ball.

TimoandAaron
07-18-2005, 11:48 PM
That place was up for grabs from the 7th inning on!

one more thing......................."WE'RE GOING NUTS AT U.S. CELLULAR."

scottjanssens
07-18-2005, 11:49 PM
I also give props to the guy sitting in Section 328, Row 5, Seat 10 for standing the entire 7th inning, prompting a nice rally that resulted in us beating Detroit.

You forgot to mention he's 86-years-old.

chisoxfanatic
07-18-2005, 11:49 PM
but i was dissapointed in Franks inability to hit me with a home run ball.

I'm SURE you'd trade that for a White Sox winner tho...Or else you'd be a ScrUbs fan. :P

shoota
07-18-2005, 11:50 PM
It is well known that Joe Nosseck could steal just about any team's signs by the third inning, he was the master.

I doubt Harold Baines can stay awake long enough to do it.

I think chuckn98229 was referring to stealing pitch signs from the catcher by someone secretely positioned at Comiskey, not by someone on the Sox bench. Nossek stole signs off the coaches/manager.

chisoxfanatic
07-18-2005, 11:50 PM
You forgot to mention he's 86-years-old.

Haha, I think he wanted me!

TimoandAaron
07-18-2005, 11:51 PM
I'm SURE you'd trade that for a White Sox winner tho...Or else you'd be a ScrUbs fan. :Pthe win was cool but, ...................nevermind. Great win.

TimoandAaron
07-18-2005, 11:53 PM
I think chuckn98229 was referring to stealing pitch signs from the catcher by someone secretely positioned at Comiskey, not by someone on the Sox bench. Nossek stole signs off the coaches/manager.It was me in the fan deck. I was watching the video camera and when i saw what pitch was going to be thrown, i made a certain signal.

TornLabrum
07-18-2005, 11:55 PM
It is well known that Joe Nosseck could steal just about any team's signs by the third inning, he was the master.

I doubt Harold Baines can stay awake long enough to do it.

Hey! Lay off Harold. He isn't asleep. He's just resting his eyes!

Frankfan4life
07-18-2005, 11:59 PM
Just an awesome season so far. AWESOME!!

33 Games Over .500
13 Game Lead
5 Game Winning Streak

Kudos to the Sox fans at the game. You really represented tonight!
Excuse me while I do the Bu-ga-loo..:supernana: I'm so HAPPY!!!



Go, Go WHITE SOX!!!!!!!!!!!!!

scottjanssens
07-18-2005, 11:59 PM
Haha, I think he wanted me!

So what's the minimum age to be a dirty-old-man? I mean the minimum age at which you can get away with it and have attractive young women hug you instead of slapping your face.

scottjanssens
07-19-2005, 12:01 AM
Kudos to the Sox fans at the game. You really represented tonight!

Thanks, I appreciate the accolades. But I couldn't have done it without the dirty old man.

Seriously, this guy says "We need to change our luck, I'm gonna stand for this inning." First pitch and Konerko hits one out. Next thing you know we have a five run inning. The man had the mojo.

chisoxfanatic
07-19-2005, 12:03 AM
So what's the minimum age to be a dirty-old-man? I mean the minimum age at which you can get away with it and have attractive young women hug you instead of slapping your face.

Dunno...But I couldn't see past all the high-5's going on everywhere!

SOX ADDICT '73
07-19-2005, 12:04 AM
And back in early June, Steve Phillips said Minnesota would be in first place by July 1st... he must have meant August, right?
Hey Steve, if the Sox lose every game and the Twins win every game between now and Aug. 1, your darlings would have a whopping 1/2 game lead! Go ahead and hold your breath waiting for that to happen...

rwcescato
07-19-2005, 12:08 AM
:winner

:supernana: :supernana: :supernana: :supernana: :supernana: :supernana: :supernana: :supernana:


What a game. I just got home. A sell out and the cell rocked tonight. The place was left for dead until the 7th inning. After Uribe's hr was hit the place kept singing bon jovi's Living on a prayer after the song was over. What a great game.
GO SOX!!!
This is our year!!!
Rich:supernana:

Chisox003
07-19-2005, 12:11 AM
What a game. I just got home. A sell out and the cell rocked tonight. The place was left for dead until the 7th inning. After Uribe's hr was hit the place kept singing bon jovi's Living on a prayer after the song was over. What a great game.
GO SOX!!!
This is our year!!!
Rich:supernana:

I had absolute chills after the Crede HR to take the lead and "Lets go go go White Sox..." started to play

The crowd was ridiculous....Awesome night to be at the park :gulp:

62-29

TimoandAaron
07-19-2005, 12:15 AM
What a game. I just got home. A sell out and the cell rocked tonight. The place was left for dead until the 7th inning. After Uribe's hr was hit the place kept singing bon jovi's Living on a prayer after the song was over. What a great game.
GO SOX!!!
This is our year!!!
Rich:supernana:i live in tinley and i got home over an hour ago. What took you so long?:?:

scottjanssens
07-19-2005, 12:17 AM
The crowd was ridiculous....Awesome night to be at the park

You should have been there when AJ hit his walk-off against the Dodgers. It was tonight a hundred fold.

Vernam
07-19-2005, 12:22 AM
Arrived at the Fundamentals area (for my boy) to start the 6th inning, just in time to see a foul ball hit my empty seat in Sec 527. D'oh! Then watching the four taters land in front of me in left field was ample compensation. :bandance:

Nice to see Vizcaino look so solid. El Duque was . . . El Duque, I suppose. :rolleyes: That 9-6-2 relay putout at home was huge, holding the Tigers to a 3-run lead.

VC

UofCSoxFan
07-19-2005, 12:25 AM
Just got back from the game....I had a feeling that the Sox were gonna comeback, even down 4-1. What a game. Crded showed me something today. Let's not forget that play he made in the 2nd...bad back and all.

scottjanssens
07-19-2005, 12:27 AM
Arrived at the Fundamentals area (for my boy) to start the 6th inning, just in time to see a foul ball hit my empty seat in Sec 527. D'oh!

The guy at the left end of my row caught two fouls today. One from Rodriguez and one from Konerko.

shes
07-19-2005, 12:54 AM
I've said it before and I'll say it again: you'd be hard-pressed to find another #8 hitter who contributes as much to his team's success as Joe Crede, either on defense or on offense, much less both.

That + playing w/ 2 herniated discs + the sideburns + the high socks + the lack of batting gloves = cult hero status in the making.

FarWestChicago
07-19-2005, 01:00 AM
I think chuckn98229 was referring to stealing pitch signs from the catcher by someone secretely positioned at Comiskey, not by someone on the Sox bench. Nossek stole signs off the coaches/manager.Ummm, we're all waiting to find out whether Crede's homer counted. Don't duck the issue, answer the question. :rolleyes:

Foulke You
07-19-2005, 01:03 AM
I was at the game tonight and it was the best one I've been to yet this season. (Wasn't at the AJ Walkoff one) My GOD was that place rocking tonight in the 7th inning! Paulie's homer was a primer but Crede's sent the place into a frenzy. It felt like a playoff game and it was extremely loud. Uribe sent another blast into the seats and kept the place at deafening decibels. The go go White Sox fight song was played right before Crede's blast and then a snippet again right after the homer and then another snippet of the song at the end of the inning. The whole crowd was clapping along with the fight song every time. Kudos to Boyer's marketing team for dusting that fight song off again. It is really catching on. Did they show the fight song on TV? If they didn't, I really think they should start. Another great moment was when Spurrier got the hook from Trammel, 37,500 strong singing nah nah nah hey hey hey goodbye at the top of their lungs. Just an incredible inning to be at the ballpark for. It just made my night. This team is just incredible. THEY ABSOLUTELY REFUSE TO LOSE!

BTW, I have to give some kudos to Douglass for the Tigers. He pitched a great 6 innings. It's been a LONG time since I've seen a starting pitcher make Frank Thomas look as bad as he did tonight. He was checking his swing on everything Douglass threw and it looked like our whole team had trouble picking his stuff up except for Scotty. However, the Tiger bullpen came in and the Sox pounced.:cool:

Foulke You
07-19-2005, 01:04 AM
Just got back from the game....I had a feeling that the Sox were gonna comeback, even down 4-1. What a game. Crded showed me something today. Let's not forget that play he made in the 2nd...bad back and all.
Also, don't forget the double he hit which allowed Pods to drive him in which scored our first run. Crede was the man tonight, no doubt.

doublem23
07-19-2005, 01:05 AM
I was there as well, Section 507 with my uncle (who renounced Cubdom before the start of the year) and my girlfriend. What an unbelievable night. Missed the first half of the first inning because we grabbed a bite to eat on the way to the park (forget the name of the place, the White Star Grill?... ****, where was it? Canal & 18th St.?... anyway, it was good). Get to our seats and the place is pretty dead all night. There's some guys yakkin' and what not, but it was never a feeling of depression or "****, I can't believe we're losing to these clowns'... It was tense, like, everyone there knew "it" was going to happen.

Let's see... Iguchi's relay throw from Jermaine was incredible. I saw whoever it was (Craig Monroe, maybe?) rounding third and I didn't think there was a way he was going to get nailed at the plate. That got people pumped. And then Chris Spurling had one of the single-handed worst outings I've ever seen. Did he even throw 25 pitches? Konerko's home run was nice, got people up and cheering. Dye's double down the line was excellent. A.J. walks and then, as Joe is battling with Spurling, I say to my uncle, "as long as this guy gets on base, I'm happy." BAM... 3-run bomb and the electricity is palpable... The most I've felt at a game since the one in 2000, the first game back from the 7-game sweep of Cleveland and New York. Uribe's home run was just icing on the cake. Everyone is high-fiving everybody in our section, the crowd is going nuts, they're playing "Let's Go, Go-Go White Sox..." it was a dream night.

Feels good, too, the first two games of the year I saw were the Sunday game against Baltimore, the first time they didn't lead at any point of the game all season, and then the Sunday loss to Cleveland that last 13 innings. Last two games have been special; the sweeper against Tampa Bay and tonight. So I'm 2-2 on the year, but they have been memorable games.

I think I'm too bitter to really sell my soul to the '05 Sox and say, "yes, this is it, this is THE team," but they are making it hard not to. They're just so much fun to watch, so good. It still gives me goosebumps to even begin imagining what that must be like.

Great night to be there. If any of you haven't, whether registered member or lurker, or whatever, and you have the means, go see this team. You've waited a long time for a group of guys like this to be assembled. It's fleeting man.

The capper on the night, though. Two outs in the top of the 8th, his team in need of a rally, and already 2-2 on the game against Luis Vizcaino... What does Ordonez do? Meekly ground out. I can still feel the adrenaline in my blood. It was a surreal experience (though, that might also be from the drive on the Ryan/Kennedy home :tongue:)

fquaye149
07-19-2005, 01:08 AM
Thanks, I appreciate the accolades. But I couldn't have done it without the dirty old man.

Seriously, this guy says "We need to change our luck, I'm gonna stand for this inning." First pitch and Konerko hits one out. Next thing you know we have a five run inning. The man had the mojo.

well sucks to be him because we need to make sure he's standing for the rest of the season. oh and one more thing
:crossdresser

:redneck:redneck:redneck:supernana:x13 :wink:

shoota
07-19-2005, 01:15 AM
I've said it before and I'll say it again: you'd be hard-pressed to find another #8 hitter who contributes as much to his team's success as Joe Crede, either on defense or on offense, much less both.

True, he is rather tall for a midgit, but remember why he's an eighth place hitter.


That + playing w/ 2 herniated discs + the sideburns + the high socks + the lack of batting gloves = cult hero status in the making.

+ .241 batting average + an OBP pushing .300 + 1 SB on the year already, putting him on pace for 1 more + swinging for the fences no matter the game situation.

Whatever credibilty Crede earned by wearing his socks high and batting barehanded is negated by donning body armor that Marines don't even need.

doublem23
07-19-2005, 01:18 AM
Shut up. Whine about Joe when he goes 0-4. For a night, the man is a legend.

:violin:

:worship::crede

http://geekhost.info/%7Egabriela/textbilder/cowbell_skit_po_22.jpg
I got a fever... and the only prescription is more Muttonchops!

Realist
07-19-2005, 01:30 AM
"Glenn Close" :rolling:

DaleJRFan
07-19-2005, 01:38 AM
...swinging for the fences no matter the game situation.

You couldn't be more wrong.

TaylorStSox
07-19-2005, 01:40 AM
True, he is rather tall for a midgit, but remember why he's an eighth place hitter.



+ .241 batting average + an OBP pushing .300 + 1 SB on the year already, putting him on pace for 1 more + swinging for the fences no matter the game situation.

Whatever credibilty Crede earned by wearing his socks high and batting barehanded is negated by donning body armor that Marines don't even need.


Are you The Windsock himself?

shes
07-19-2005, 02:16 AM
Shoota:

Realistically, who would you rather have at third on this particular Sox team?

The guy is playing stellar D, suiting up while hurt and not complaining. He may not have the gaudy stats, but do you really think Crede has lost us more games than he has won? Is he a detriment to the team?

I expected him to hit about .245 w/ ~25 homers and ~75 RBI, all the while earning his real keep out in the field. This, I thought, was roughly what most Sox fans expected. This is roughly what Crede's numbers project to. Did you expect more from him? Is that why you're lashing out? What about a guy like Uribe, hitting .230-something w/ stats worse than Crede's across the board and a paycheck 400% larger? Does he not deserve to be criticised first and foremost, especially since he was expected to be more of an offensive force than Crede?

No one's saying he's a HOFer -- or even an All-Star -- but he is a good fit for this team. Remember, he's not counted on to be a star out there like Konerko or Frank, so he should be entitled to a bit more leeway. And for $400K and a .300+ BA and 1.000+ OPS w/ RISP, you can't really complain. Or at least you shouldn't.

Realist
07-19-2005, 02:16 AM
I love Google. :redneck

Apr 8, 2003 CHICAGO (Reuters) - Chicago White Sox third baseman, Joe Crede, pulled off a very rare double play today when he managed to steal another man's girlfriend and run over the man's dog all within fifteen minutes of each other.

Reliable witnesses on the scene have given authorities statements that Crede was seen having a romantic dinner at Franco's restaurant in the Bridgeport neighborhood. They claim his companion was Suzy Creamcheese, the recent love interest of the victim, Shoota Himselfindafoot.

"The entire staff and several of the patrons were absolutely laughing hysterical at the scene" claimed witness Joe Bubalinski. "I damn near spit one of the gnocchi I was eating halfway across the restaurant when I saw that Shoota guy standing outside the window staring at Crede and Creamcheese while crying and pulling his hair out. It just may have been the funniest thing I've ever seen in my life."

Just moments after the couple left the restaurant witnesses claim they saw Shoota Himselfindafoot's own dog abandoned him and run to join the couple. It was too late. Crede and Shoota's former love had already gotten into the car and pulled away from the curb when Fido ran right under the left front wheel of Crede's car.

When reached for comment, all Shoota could manage to semi-coherantly mumble between violent sobs was, "I'm gonna get that Crede...[sobs] I'm gonna get him if it's the last thing I do.[more sobs] I'm dedicating my life to showing the world what a terrible terrible baseball player that Crede guy is." With that, the phone went silent.

ilsox7
07-19-2005, 02:18 AM
We ****ing rule. ****ing rule!!!!

TaylorStSox
07-19-2005, 02:18 AM
We ****ing rule. ****ing rule!!!!

:gulp::bandance::gulp::bandance::gulp:

PodzStyleMultiAccount
07-19-2005, 02:29 AM
I was there, like many of you, and we have to keep selling out!!! :)

ilsox7
07-19-2005, 02:49 AM
:gulp::bandance::gulp::bandance::gulp:

How'd you know lots of beer was involved? :D:

ANd some shots! Go Sox!!!!!

voodoochile
07-19-2005, 04:34 AM
ANd back in early June, Steve Phillips said Minnesota would be in first place by July 1st... he must have meant August, right?

Brantley + Phillips = give those cats a raise. (teal)

That's not mathematically possible = the Sox have the 28th off...:D::cool::)

shoota
07-19-2005, 04:41 AM
:welcome: Outside of one spelling error, I'm impressed with your grammar. But who am I to criticize? :wink:

Shoota:

Realistically, who would you rather have at third on this particular Sox team?

Joe Randa. As I've said before, Randa is affordable, both in salary and in cost to obtain.

The guy is playing stellar D, suiting up while hurt and not complaining. He may not have the gaudy stats, but do you really think Crede has lost us more games than he has won? Is he a detriment to the team?

I do believe he is a detriment to the team. I'm too tired to list all the reasons now, but you've inspired me to start a thread later this week on it. But if you can't wait, I suggest the WSI search feature where you can read my opinions on Crede.


I expected him to hit about .245 w/ ~25 homers and ~75 RBI, all the while earning his real keep out in the field. This, I thought, was roughly what most Sox fans expected. This is roughly what Crede's numbers project to. Did you expect more from him?

I also expected similar numbers. Which is why he needs to go. That production, expected or not, is not nearly acceptable.


What about a guy like Uribe, hitting .230-something w/ stats worse than Crede's across the board and a paycheck 400% larger? Does he not deserve to be criticised first and foremost, especially since he was expected to be more of an offensive force than Crede?

You're right about Uribe in all the points you present about him vs. Crede. I guess I'm less critical of Uribe because he showed last season that he can be a good hitter--something Joe Crede never has. In fact, WSI's Maurice posted that not only is Crede not blossoming into a good hitter, he has regressed in each of the past four seasons. Considering his apex was never high to start, that shows how bad of a hitter Crede is.



No one's saying he's a HOFer -- or even an All-Star -- but he is a good fit for this team. Remember, he's not counted on to be a star out there like Konerko or Frank, so he should be entitled to a bit more leeway. And for $400K and a .300+ BA and 1.000+ OPS w/ RISP, you can't really complain. Or at least you shouldn't.

IMO, he is not a good fit for this team, he is a good fit for the Jerry Manual motto of managing the American League: Wait for the 3-run homer, don't hit behind the runners or worry about playing team ball. Perhaps I'll go into detail about this in my thread. Crede stands out even more on Ozzie's best-in-baseball team because he's the only one who doesn't fit into a winning philosophy.

voodoochile
07-19-2005, 04:47 AM
:welcome: Outside of one spelling error, I'm impressed with your grammar. But who am I to criticize? :wink:



Joe Randa. As I've said before, Randa is affordable, both in salary and in cost to obtain.



I do believe he is a detriment to the team. I'm too tired to list all the reasons now, but you've inspired me to start a thread later this week on it. But if you can't wait, I suggest the WSI search feature where you can read my opinions on Crede.



I also expected similar numbers. Which is why he needs to go. Until he starts driving in runs with his glove, that's not nearly acceptable.



You're right about Uribe in all the points you present about him vs. Crede. I guess I'm less critical of Uribe because he showed last season that he can be a good hitter--something Joe Crede never has. In fact, WSI's Maurice posted that not only is Crede not blossoming into a good hitter, he has regressed in each of the past four seasons. Considering his apex was never high to start, that shows how bad of a hitter Crede is.




IMO, he is not a good fit for this team, he is a good fit for the Jerry Manual motto of managing the American League: Wait for the 3-run homer, don't hit behind the runners or worry about playing team ball. Perhaps I'll go into detail about this in my thread. Crede stands out even more on Ozzie's winning team because he's the only one who doesn't fit into a winning philosophy.

You evidence that Randa is available, affordable and better comes from where?

Like it or not, three run bombs are part of baseball and an important part to boot...

Let... it... go...

shoota
07-19-2005, 04:55 AM
I love Google. :redneck

That's witty. I enjoyed that read.

My name is on Google! The new phone book's here! This is the kind of spontaneous publicity I need! My name in print! That really makes somebody! Things are going to start happening to me now.

:D:

fquaye149
07-19-2005, 08:59 AM
Joe Randa. As I've said before, Randa is affordable, both in salary and in cost to obtain.


Can we just end your moronic bull**** now. Listen:

a.) Randa is not affordable in salary or cost to obtain

i.)he makes 2 million a year more than Crede.
ii.) he is being hotly pursued by many teams.
iii.) Cleveland reportedly offered Sabathia for him

We do not need to take on salary to get an average offensive ballplayer even if the one he is replacing is below average. We also do not need to give up a starting pitcher to get an average offensive ballplayer.

b.) His improvements over Crede are discernible but marginal. He adds about .40 on OBP and BA, but he has less home runs hitting in a little league stadium. At any rate, his offense is not enough to make up for

c.) Crede's defense is much much better. Of course you won't take my word for it, so all I can tell you is that his fielding pct is 10 points better than Randa's, a significant difference, and Crede's Zone Rating is 60 points better than Randa's (.848 compared to .788)


Why we would want to break up the best defensive infield in baseball perhaps for a .280 hitter in a hitter's park, and not only that give up big time talent for him, boggles my mind.

In the immortal words of Raymond Carver:

Could you please just be quiet please?

Baby Fisk
07-19-2005, 09:04 AM
Nothing like ceaseless, relentless trade talk in the midst of a 62-29 season to heat one's blood! :smile:

TomBradley72
07-19-2005, 09:13 AM
Can we just end your moronic bull**** now. Listen:

a.) Randa is not affordable in salary or cost to obtain

i.)he makes 2 million a year more than Crede.
ii.) he is being hotly pursued by many teams.
iii.) Cleveland reportedly offered Sabathia for him

We do not need to take on salary to get an average offensive ballplayer even if the one he is replacing is below average. We also do not need to give up a starting pitcher to get an average offensive ballplayer.

b.) His improvements over Crede are discernible but marginal. He adds about .40 on OBP and BA, but he has less home runs hitting in a little league stadium. At any rate, his offense is not enough to make up for

c.) Crede's defense is much much better. Of course you won't take my word for it, so all I can tell you is that his fielding pct is 10 points better than Randa's, a significant difference, and Crede's Zone Rating is 60 points better than Randa's (.848 compared to .788)


Why we would want to break up the best defensive infield in baseball perhaps for a .280 hitter in a hitter's park, and not only that give up big time talent for him, boggles my mind.

In the immortal words of Raymond Carver:

Could you please just be quiet please?

If health isn't an issue.....this is analysis is spot on. But with 2 herniated discs for our boy Joe....I'd love to see Randa on the team...insurance/rest for Joe and his back, can also spell Paulie at 1st on occasion (better option than Jermaine Dye). We don't want to head into October with a left side of the infield = Ozuna and Uribe....that won't win the World Series.

scottjanssens
07-19-2005, 09:16 AM
iii.) Cleveland reportedly offered Sabathia for him

If you believe that I've an expressway for sale.

fquaye149
07-19-2005, 09:50 AM
If you believe that I've an expressway for sale.

Look - I don't think it makes sense either, but the fact is that even if it's an apocryphal report, it nonetheless reflects the fact that Randa's value is very high right now relative to his value. Throw in the fact that we have a potentially injured Crede a 3B and we won't exactly be getting him cheap.

By the way - how much you want for that expressway?

lostletters
07-19-2005, 10:42 AM
Can we just end your moronic bull**** now. Listen:

a.) Randa is not affordable in salary or cost to obtain

i.)he makes 2 million a year more than Crede.
ii.) he is being hotly pursued by many teams.
iii.) Cleveland reportedly offered Sabathia for him

We do not need to take on salary to get an average offensive ballplayer even if the one he is replacing is below average. We also do not need to give up a starting pitcher to get an average offensive ballplayer.

b.) His improvements over Crede are discernible but marginal. He adds about .40 on OBP and BA, but he has less home runs hitting in a little league stadium. At any rate, his offense is not enough to make up for

c.) Crede's defense is much much better. Of course you won't take my word for it, so all I can tell you is that his fielding pct is 10 points better than Randa's, a significant difference, and Crede's Zone Rating is 60 points better than Randa's (.848 compared to .788)


Why we would want to break up the best defensive infield in baseball perhaps for a .280 hitter in a hitter's park, and not only that give up big time talent for him, boggles my mind.

In the immortal words of Raymond Carver:

Could you please just be quiet please?



This is pretty spot on in general. Herniated Discs are not that bad. It is something you can get treatments for everyday and play pretty much every day as a result. They do not take you out for a season. This is the type of injury that players play through on a regular basis. It is also an injury that is best treated with regular activity. While Crede may be out one (at most two) days a week, he is still good to play on a regular basis.

Also Joe Crede is a BARGIN. He is one of the lowest paid players in baseball.

The Reds are expecting a bidding war for Randa. He is NOT WORTH IT. There seems to be an obsession with some board members for this fellow. But the truth is he is the Reds want to much for him, and I don't think KW or Ozzie want to give up any roster players for him.

Plus this is a team based on pitching and defense. Uribe and Crede are there to throw around the leather. If they are hitting well it is just icing on the cake.

shoota
07-19-2005, 02:32 PM
Can we just end your moronic bull**** now. Listen:

a.) Randa is not affordable in salary or cost to obtain

i.)he makes 2 million a year more than Crede.
ii.) he is being hotly pursued by many teams.
iii.) Cleveland reportedly offered Sabathia for him


Incorrect. Randa's 2005 contract is 2,150,000 and Crede's is 400,000. The Sox would pay less than half of Randa's salary because has spent most of the season with the Reds.

I agree that his acquiring price is probably relatively high because of multiple teams interested in him.

I do not believe the Reds refused to trade Randa for Sabathia.


We do not need to take on salary to get an average offensive ballplayer even if the one he is replacing is below average. We also do not need to give up a starting pitcher to get an average offensive ballplayer.

The salary difference is minimal. For perspective, if Shingo is traded, his prorated contract that the Sox don't have to pay would cover the difference in salary between Randa and Crede.


b.) His improvements over Crede are discernible but marginal. He adds about .40 on OBP and BA, but he has less home runs hitting in a little league stadium. At any rate, his offense is not enough to make up for

c.) Crede's defense is much much better. Of course you won't take my word for it, so all I can tell you is that his fielding pct is 10 points better than Randa's, a significant difference, and Crede's Zone Rating is 60 points better than Randa's (.848 compared to .788)


You underestimate the difference in BA and OBP.

Randa is down to .288, 12, 45 with an OBP of .356
Including last night's game, Crede is at .241, 13, 41 with an OBP of .296

Crede is hitting .198 at Comiskey.

I do agree that Crede is the better defender. But I don't believe the gap in defense is as wide as the gap is in offense.

Not that I know what these stats mean, but http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/fielding?groupId=9&season=2005&seasonType=2&split=81&sortColumn=errors

Randa's fielding percentage is .977; Crede's .981
Randa's range factor is 2.82 to Crede's 2.60
Crede's zone rating is .828 to Randa's .797


Why we would want to break up the best defensive infield in baseball perhaps for a .280 hitter in a hitter's park, and not only that give up big time talent for him, boggles my mind.

Randa doesn't have a lot of home runs--one less than Crede on the season--because he's a contact hitter. He doesn't swing for the left field fence in every at bat like Crede does.

I value Randa's hitting approach more than I do Crede's. That's not to say I don't like home run hitters, it's just that Crede doesn't hit home runs anywhere near the rate on par with good home run hitters. On this smartball team, Joe Randa is the better fit.

fquaye149
07-19-2005, 03:29 PM
1.) I do not believe the Reds refused to trade Randa for Sabathia.


2.) You underestimate the difference in BA and OBP.

Randa is down to .288, 12, 45 with an OBP of .356
Including last night's game, Crede is at .241, 13, 41 with an OBP of .296

Crede is hitting .198 at Comiskey.



1.)Believe what you want. It doesn't matter what you believe. The fact is you know damn well the trade value for Randa is high

2.) I don't underestimate the value of OBP. It'd be great to have Crede hit .288/.340 like Randa. That doesn't mean I will sacrifice the defense for it. Even the lies damn lies of fielding stats show Crede to be a better fielder. In theory he is better, in practice he is a gold glover whereas Randa is a liability.

Oh and Randa hits in a bandbox. Notice USCfield is no longer a hitter's park. And what do home/road splits matter here. If anything the fact that Crede hits better on the road is a good thing.

...

what would we give up for Randa. Name one thing that would equal a high market value on a players whose hitter-park stats are actually pretty decent. An average hitter in a seller's market. A below-average thirdbaseman, but somehow overlooked for his shoddy defense by people like Shoota because he doesn't make a lot of errors.

And then even if we got him for say, Cotts or someone...all he would be doing is giving us a little more on base in the order...and significantly weakening a defense that has all but bolstered a pitching staff that is helped a great deal by infield execution.

come off it. We could overpay just to hurt our infield and upgrade not that much at the plate...where do I sign up?

Why don't you go GM in Queens

TaylorStSox
07-19-2005, 03:32 PM
1.)Believe what you want. It doesn't matter what you believe. The fact is you know damn well the trade value for Randa is high

2.) I don't underestimate the value of OBP. It'd be great to have Crede hit .288/.340 like Randa. That doesn't mean I will sacrifice the defense for it. Even the lies damn lies of fielding stats show Crede to be a better fielder. In theory he is better, in practice he is a gold glover whereas Randa is a liability.

Oh and Randa hits in a bandbox. Notice USCfield is no longer a hitter's park. And what do home/road splits matter here. If anything the fact that Crede hits better on the road is a good thing.

...

what would we give up for Randa. Name one thing that would equal a high market value on a players whose hitter-park stats are actually pretty decent. An average hitter in a seller's market. A below-average thirdbaseman, but somehow overlooked for his shoddy defense by people like Shoota because he doesn't make a lot of errors.

And then even if we got him for say, Cotts or someone...all he would be doing is giving us a little more on base in the order...and significantly weakening a defense that has all but bolstered a pitching staff that is helped a great deal by infield execution.

come off it. We could overpay just to hurt our infield and upgrade not that much at the plate...where do I sign up?

Why don't you go GM in Queens


You forget. Crede is a :dtroll: and a "cancer." I don't even know why you argue with him. I've owned him so many times on this subject. Then again, his grammar is good. :redneck

fquaye149
07-19-2005, 03:38 PM
You forget. Crede is a :dtroll: and a "cancer." I don't even know why you argue with him. I've owned him so many times on this subject. Then again, his grammar is good. :redneck

everytime i think i'm out, they drag me back in

Taliesinrk
07-19-2005, 04:17 PM
Look, I don't want to try to change the direction the thread's going; but I was just wondering whether or not we could "count" Crede's homerun from last night's game?

So.ILSoxFan
07-19-2005, 04:19 PM
You forget. Crede is a :dtroll: and a "cancer."

Do you hear the sirens??? They're after you.....:D:
:tealpolice:

Chisox003
07-19-2005, 04:23 PM
Look, I don't want to try to change the direction the thread's going; but I was just wondering whether or not we could "count" Crede's homerun from last night's game?

No, because even if he hits into a double play there, Uribe leads off the next inning with a HR, and 3 batters later Big Frank ties it at 4 with another solo shot

Then, the Sox win it in extra innings, no thanks to Crede....Hell, we'd be better off just leaving 3rd base unmanned, and having a starting lineup with only 8 hitters

Joe means nothing to this team, or it's success

Thanks shoota, for showing me the light

:rolleyes:

ode to veeck
07-19-2005, 04:26 PM
True, he is rather tall for a midgit, but remember why he's an eighth place hitter.

Why, because his HRs don't really count?!?!

All I can say Shoota, is that you're really lost on the this one, and only headed deeper into the woods the farther you take it.

SoxFan76
07-19-2005, 04:28 PM
Man the crowd was awesome last night. I had so much fun...everybody was just screaming their heads off. But my biggest complaint was the wave going around the stadium several times.....while the game was going on. It was very annoying trying to look around the standing people so I could actually see what was going on.

The electricity in the ballpark was just amazing...some might say "electric" :D:
Then to top it off, Uribe follows up with a homer. The fight song was playing, everybody was clapping, oh man it was a beautiful thing.

Vernam
07-19-2005, 05:01 PM
IMO, he is not a good fit for this team, he is a good fit for the Jerry Manual motto of managing the American League: Wait for the 3-run homer, don't hit behind the runners or worry about playing team ball. Perhaps I'll go into detail about this in my thread. Crede stands out even more on Ozzie's best-in-baseball team because he's the only one who doesn't fit into a winning philosophy.
I don't want to get involved -- much less choose sides -- in the whole Crede debate, but his failure last night with men at first and second with no one out lends credence (a pun!) to Shoota's assertion that Joe doesn't fit the new mold. Trouble is, there's probably not a third baseman in MLB who bunts or hits behind the runner the way, for example, Iguchi does so well. There are only third basemen who might hit for more power than Joe does but don't contribute anything close to what he does on defense.

One distortion the whole steroid era created is to raise ridiculous expectations about power production at that position. (Okay, steroids and Mike Schmidt.) I'm not saying Crede is in Brooks Robinson's class as a fielder, but the O's did quite well with a guy who fielded spectacularly and hit just well enough so they could win championships. I'm not predicting the Hall of Fame for Crede, but he doesn't have to be on the road to Cooperstown for us to win it all.

I sure wish he could bunt, though . . . We watched Tigers' BP in amazement as Nook Logan failed over and over to get down a bunt with Trammel watching closely from behind the cage. The Sox minor league system isn't the only one that lets non-power hitters reach the big leagues without any concept of fundamental baseball (hello, Willie Harris). I'd expect that to change with the steroid era's conclusion, but for now, every team is going to have guys like Crede who don't have as much pop to their bats as we'd prefer but can't do the little things at bat especially well, either. The difference is his glove, which is beyond dispute, and his timely hitting, which is still an open question.

VC