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TomBradley72
07-18-2005, 08:14 AM
The debate on Durham or Iguchi as the best White Sox 2B since Nellie Fox (Iguchi won...with approximately 75% of the vote) had me thinking...who's your all time team "post 1959"?

Here's mine:

SP-Wilbur Wood
RP-Hoyt Wilhelm
1B-Frank Thomas
2b-Tadahito Iguchi
ss-Luis Aparicio
3B-Robin Ventura
C- Carlton Fisk
LF-Carlos Lee
CF-Chet Lemon
RF-Magglio Ordonez
DH-Harold Baines
Manager- Ozzie Guillen

PicktoCLick72
07-18-2005, 09:19 AM
You cannot put Iguchi on that team after only playing 80+ games.

TomBradley72
07-18-2005, 09:23 AM
You cannot put Iguchi on that team after only playing 80+ games.

So who would you put ahead of him? There was an entire thread debating Durham vs. Iguchi....Iguchi won by a 3:1 margin.

PicktoCLick72
07-18-2005, 09:37 AM
I agree I would rather have Iguchi, but I would not put him on an All-Star team of this nature because he has not played enough to have the numbers for it.

TornLabrum
07-18-2005, 09:38 AM
So who would you put ahead of him? There was an entire thread debating Durham vs. Iguchi....Iguchi won by a 3:1 margin.

Jorge Orta?

RKMeibalane
07-18-2005, 09:41 AM
The debate on Durham or Iguchi as the best White Sox 2B since Nellie Fox (Iguchi won...with approximately 75% of the vote) had me thinking...who's your all time team "post 1959"?

Here's mine:

SP-Wilbur Wood
RP-Hoyt Wilhelm
1B-Frank Thomas
2b-Tadahito Iguchi
ss-Luis Aparicio
3B-Robin Ventura
C- Carlton Fisk
LF-Carlos Lee
CF-Chet Lemon
RF-Magglio Ordonez
DH-Harold Baines
Manager- Ozzie Guillen

Where's Dick Allen?

TornLabrum
07-18-2005, 09:50 AM
1B - Dick Allen
2B - Ray Durham
SS - Ozzie Guillen (I DQ Aparicio because he was ON the '59 team)
3B - Robin Ventura
LF - Ron Kittle
CF - Ken Berry
RF - Magglio Ordonez
C - Carlton Fisk
DH - Frank Thomas
SP - Gary Peters
SP - Jack McDowell
SP - Wilbur Wood
SP - Lamar Hoyt
SP - Jim Kaat
RP - Hoyt Wilhelm
RP - Wibur Wood (with the knuckler he can go both ways, which he did)
RP - Eddie Fisher (You get the idea I like knuckleballers?)
RP - Bobby Thigpen
RP - Roberto Hernandez

MUScholar21
07-18-2005, 10:51 AM
Bo knows snubs.

Sxy Mofo
07-18-2005, 11:07 AM
1B - Dick Allen
2B - Ray Durham
SS - Ozzie Guillen (I DQ Aparicio because he was ON the '59 team)
3B - Robin Ventura
LF - Ron Kittle
CF - Ken Berry
RF - Magglio Ordonez
C - Carlton Fisk
DH - Frank Thomas
SP - Gary Peters
SP - Jack McDowell
SP - Wilbur Wood
SP - Lamar Hoyt
SP - Jim Kaat
RP - Hoyt Wilhelm
RP - Wibur Wood (with the knuckler he can go both ways, which he did)
RP - Eddie Fisher (You get the idea I like knuckleballers?)
RP - Bobby Thigpen
RP - Roberto Hernandez

No Buehrle for any pitching spot? I'm 23 so only really have an idea of the abilities of Sox players in my lifetime, but it seems odd you can't find a place for him in any pitching spot?

Good list though.

JRIG
07-18-2005, 11:08 AM
C Fisk
1B Thomas
2B Durham
SS Valentin
3B Ventura
LF Raines
CF Lemon
RF Ordonez
DH Allen

SP Buehrle
SP McDowell
SP Joe Horlen
SP Tommy John
SP Gary Peters

RP Foulke
RP Hernandez
RP Thigpen
RP Wood
RP Wilhelm

HAR-OLD
07-18-2005, 11:09 AM
1B - Brian Daubach
2B - Steve Sax
SS - Liu Rodriguez
3B - Chris Snopek
LF - Darren Lewis
CF - Brian Simmons
RF - Mike Huff
C - Charlie O'Brien
DH - Wil Cordero
SP - Rocky Biddle
SP - Carlos Castillo
SP - Danny Wright
SP - Jaime Navarro
SP - Danny Darwin
RP - Tanyon Stuertze
RP - Lorenzo Barcelo
RP - Jesus Pena
RP - Bryan Ward
RP - Scott Radinsky

Procol Harum
07-18-2005, 11:51 AM
As a certified WSI Geezer I have to get my .02 cents in about this matter; here's my all-time, post-1959 White Sox roster:

Starting lineup:

C: Carlton Fisk
1b: Dick Allen
2b: Jorge Orta
3B: Robin Ventura
SS: Ozzie Guillen
LF: Tim Raines
CF: Chet Lemon
RF: Magglio Ordonez
DH: Frank Thomas

Bench (and here I'm looking more for certified role players, rather than "all-stars")

C: Ron Karkovice
1b: Greg Walker
2b/ss/3b: Greg Pryor
3b: Herbert Perry
OF: Ken Berry
OF/PH: Harold Baines

Pitching Staff:

#1 Jack McDowell (R)
#2 Gary Peters (L)
#3 Tommy John (L)
#4 Joe Horlen (R)
#5 Mark Buehrle (L)

MR/Long relief/mop-up/spot starter: Wilbur Wood (L)
MR: Eddie Fisher (R)
MR: LaMaar Hoyt (R)
MR: Bobby Thigpen (R)
CL: Hoyt Wilhelm (R)

:bandance: :bandance: :bandance: You could have unleashed the dancing bananas for several Octobers in a row if you could have assembled this team together in their primes!

BedfordChisox
07-18-2005, 11:51 AM
HAR-OLD,

You must have flipped a coin in picking Liu at SS over the great Alan Bannister. :redneck

Procol Harum
07-18-2005, 11:53 AM
HAR-OLD,

You must have flipped a coin in picking Liu at SS over the great Alan Bannister. :redneck

At least Bannister could hit the ball...

Tragg
07-18-2005, 11:55 AM
1B - Dick Allen
2B - Ray Durham - weakest position of the bunch; I considered Rob Andrews, Tony Berhnhazardt, Orta, Cruz, and Wayne Causey
SS - Bucky Dent
3B - Bill Melton
LF - Harold Baines (okay - he played RF, but gotta put him somewhere)
CF - Tommy Agee (tough call over LeFlore, Lemon, Berry)
RF - Magglio Ordonez
C - Carlton Fisk
DH - Frank Thomas
SP - Gary Peters (why in the world did we trade this guy?)
SP - Joel Horlen
SP - Jack McDowell
SP - Wilbur Wood
SP - Lamarr Hoyt
RP - Hoyt Wilhelm
RP - Salome Barojas
RP - Bobby Thigpen
RP - Roberto Hernandez

miker
07-18-2005, 11:58 AM
1B - Brian Daubach
2B - Steve Sax
SS - Liu Rodriguez
3B - Chris Snopek
LF - Darren Lewis
CF - Brian Simmons
RF - Mike Huff
C - Charlie O'Brien
DH - Wil Cordero
SP - Rocky Biddle
SP - Carlos Castillo
SP - Danny Wright
SP - Jaime Navarro
SP - Danny Darwin
RP - Tanyon Stuertze
RP - Lorenzo Barcelo
RP - Jesus Pena
RP - Bryan Ward
RP - Scott Radinsky

Where's the teal? And how dare you leave off Cory Snyder...:smile:

Tragg
07-18-2005, 12:00 PM
1B - Brian Daubach
2B - Steve Sax
SS - Liu Rodriguez
3B - Chris Snopek
LF - Darren Lewis
CF - Brian Simmons
RF - Mike Huff
C - Charlie O'Brien
DH - Wil Cordero
SP - Rocky Biddle
SP - Carlos Castillo
SP - Danny Wright
SP - Jaime Navarro
SP - Danny Darwin
RP - Tanyon Stuertze
RP - Lorenzo Barcelo
RP - Jesus Pena
RP - Bryan Ward
RP - Scott Radinsky

Where are Tex Wortham, Harry Chappas, Bee Bee Richard and Kevin Bell??? I guess you don't go back to the 1970s.

Scott Radinsky was actually a very good set-up man before he got hurt; Darwin pitched okay for us as well.

Procol Harum
07-18-2005, 12:00 PM
Where's the teal? And how dare you leave off Cory Snyder...:smile:

I was wondering the same thing about the glory that was Chris Sabo!?

Procol Harum
07-18-2005, 12:02 PM
Where are Tex Wortham, Harry Chappas, Bee Bee Richard and Kevin Bell??? I guess you don't go back to the 1970s.

Scott Radinsky was actually a very good set-up man before he got hurt; Darwin pitched okay for us as well.

The SS of the future, BeeBee Richard--now there's a guy who still gives me the cold sweats 30+ years later!! Compared to him the other guys you mention there were franchise players....

TornLabrum
07-18-2005, 12:05 PM
No Buehrle for any pitching spot? I'm 23 so only really have an idea of the abilities of Sox players in my lifetime, but it seems odd you can't find a place for him in any pitching spot?

Good list though.

Hmmm...Maybe I'll relgate Wood to the pen and put Buehrle in as a starter.

TornLabrum
07-18-2005, 12:06 PM
1B - Brian Daubach
2B - Steve Sax
SS - Liu Rodriguez
3B - Chris Snopek
LF - Darren Lewis
CF - Brian Simmons
RF - Mike Huff
C - Charlie O'Brien
DH - Wil Cordero
SP - Rocky Biddle
SP - Carlos Castillo
SP - Danny Wright
SP - Jaime Navarro
SP - Danny Darwin
RP - Tanyon Stuertze
RP - Lorenzo Barcelo
RP - Jesus Pena
RP - Bryan Ward
RP - Scott Radinsky

Where are Devereaux and Sabo?

TornLabrum
07-18-2005, 12:09 PM
The SS of the future, BeeBee Richard--now there's a guy who still gives me the cold sweats 30+ years later!! Compared to him the other guys you mention there were franchise players....

Hey! BeeBee is the only guy I've ever seen turn a fly out with a man on second (BeeBee) into a sac fly.

HAR-OLD
07-18-2005, 12:09 PM
Where are Tex Wortham, Harry Chappas, Bee Bee Richard and Kevin Bell??? I guess you don't go back to the 1970s.

Scott Radinsky was actually a very good set-up man before he got hurt; Darwin pitched okay for us as well.


well i wasnt necessarilly going for players i thought were bad, just ones i thought were funny and yeah, the 70s are kinda before my time

as for the SS decision, liu barely eeked out over mike caruso, he just brought up too many bad memories

Procol Harum
07-18-2005, 12:12 PM
Hey! BeeBee is the only guy I've ever seen turn a fly out with a man on second (BeeBee) into a sac fly.

BeeBee could sho' nuff run. Unfortunately, the catching, throwing and hitting concepts were a mystery to the dude...

Lip Man 1
07-18-2005, 12:30 PM
God that's a tough one and I reserve the right to change my mind.

1B Dick Allen
2B Nellie Fox
SS Luis Aparicio
3B Robin Ventura
LF Albert Belle
CF Chet Lemon
RF Magglio Ordonez
DH Frank Thomas
C Carlton Fisk
-----
SP's:

Jack McDowell
Wilbur Wood
Gary Peters
Joe Horlen
Juan Pizarro

RP's:

Hoyt Wilhelm
Bobby Thigpen
Terry Forster
'Goose' Gossage
Eddie Fisher

Manager:

Al Lopez

Lip

Tragg
07-18-2005, 12:34 PM
I would put Chuck Tanner as the manager since 59. Took a disheveled bunch of 56-106 Sox and turned them into a near .500 team in one year and then a really good team the next (with a major assist to Dick Allen).

Juice16
07-18-2005, 12:57 PM
God that's a tough one and I reserve the right to change my mind.

1B Dick Allen
2B Nellie Fox
SS Luis Aparicio
3B Robin Ventura
LF Albert Belle
CF Chet Lemon
RF Magglio Ordonez
DH Frank Thomas
C Carlton Fisk
-----
SP's:

Jack McDowell
Wilbur Wood
Gary Peters
Joe Horlen
Juan Pizarro

RP's:

Hoyt Wilhelm
Bobby Thigpen
Terry Forster
'Goose' Gossage
Eddie Fisher

Manager:

Al Lopez

Lip

I'm glad yoo added Nellie, I was beginning to believe people forgot he was still on the team post 1959.

mccombe_35
07-18-2005, 01:23 PM
Lance Johnson isn't in CF for anybody's team?

doublem23
07-18-2005, 01:28 PM
At least Bannister could hit the ball...

If that's the case, were's the great Jason Dallaero? Man, did he suck.

ode to veeck
07-18-2005, 01:32 PM
For the pen, I still like Goose Gossage in his prime. I might also add Rich Dotson or Britt Burns to the SP staff.

fram40
07-18-2005, 02:44 PM
61-29! Visions of the WS dancing in my head.

You guys are bringing up memories that I had hoped were repressed forever. I really did not need to be reminded of BeeBee Richard and Harry Chappas! How about Ed Herrmann? or Buddy Bradford? Maybe Rich (Ron?) Hanson could be the shortstop. And don't forget No-Neck Williams.

DSpivack
07-18-2005, 02:50 PM
I've seen McDowell on more teams than Buehrle....Why?

BigEdWalsh
07-18-2005, 02:56 PM
As a certified WSI Geezer I have to get my .02 cents in about this matter; here's my all-time, post-1959 White Sox roster:

Starting lineup:

C: Carlton Fisk
1b: Dick Allen
2b: Jorge Orta
3B: Robin Ventura
SS: Ozzie Guillen
LF: Tim Raines
CF: Chet Lemon
RF: Magglio Ordonez
DH: Frank Thomas

Bench (and here I'm looking more for certified role players, rather than "all-stars")

C: Ron Karkovice
1b: Greg Walker
2b/ss/3b: Greg Pryor
3b: Herbert Perry
OF: Ken Berry
OF/PH: Harold Baines

Pitching Staff:

#1 Jack McDowell (R)
#2 Gary Peters (L)
#3 Tommy John (L)
#4 Joe Horlen (R)
#5 Mark Buehrle (L)

MR/Long relief/mop-up/spot starter: Wilbur Wood (L)
MR: Eddie Fisher (R)
MR: LaMaar Hoyt (R)
MR: Bobby Thigpen (R)
CL: Hoyt Wilhelm (R)

:bandance: :bandance: :bandance: You could have unleashed the dancing bananas for several Octobers in a row if you could have assembled this team together in their primes!

I like the team you assembled but I'd go with Bob Locker over Eddie Fisher.

PennStater98r
07-18-2005, 03:03 PM
Thought I'd pull some years out:


C - 1983 Carlton Fisk
1B - 1972 Dick Allen
2B - 1975 Jorge Orta
3B - 1996 Robin Ventura
SS - 1970 Luis Aparicio
RF - 1984 Harold Baines
CF - 1995 Lance Johnson
LF - 1998 Albert Belle
DH - 1994 Frank Thomas

SP - 1971 Wilbur Wood
SP - 1967 Joe Horlen
SP - 1983 LaMarr Hoyt
SP - 2003 Esteban Loaiza
RP - 1967 Cisco Carlos
RP - 1987 Jack McDowell
RP - 1999 Keith Foulke
RP - 1965 Hoyt Wilhelm
RP - 1985 Bob James
CL - 1990 Bobby Thigpen

TornLabrum
07-18-2005, 03:05 PM
I'm glad yoo added Nellie, I was beginning to believe people forgot he was still on the team post 1959.

When I made my list I didn't include anyone who was on the '59 team.

Procol Harum
07-18-2005, 04:49 PM
I like the team you assembled but I'd go with Bob Locker over Eddie Fisher.

Bob was good, too (I shook his hand at the 1968 Avon Youth Baseball banquet!), but I took Fisher because he was lights out in '65, had a good first half in '66, and after being traded to Baltimore was a key cog in bringing the champeenship home that year. I figure the more World Series experience the better...

Lip Man 1
07-18-2005, 05:08 PM
I can't speak for anyone else but regarding McDowell over Buehrle, Jack was the dominent pitcher in the league from 1990 - 1994 winning more games then anyone else. He controlled the staff, set the tone and won a Cy Young. Not saying Mark is bad, but as the Sox are finding out today, roster spots are limited.


Lip

JUribe1989
07-18-2005, 05:14 PM
C - Carlton Fisk
1B - Richie Allen
2B - Ray Durham
SS - Ozzie Guillen
3B - Bill Melton
LF - Carlos Lee
CF - Chet Lemon
RF - Carlos May
DH - Frank Thomas
SP - Mark Buehrle
RP - Bobby Thigpen

chisoxfan64
07-18-2005, 05:28 PM
Chuck Brinkman, Mike Andrews, Rick Reichardt, Nyls Nyman, Lowell Palmer, Luis Alverado, Johnny Jeter, Eddie Leon, Bill Sharp, Bill Stein, Skip Pitlock, Junior Moore and of course, Kevin Bell.

I didn`t put any positions as I feel any of these guys could play whatever position was needed.

misty60481
07-18-2005, 06:19 PM
How come I dont see Kittle,,Luzinski,,Bannister,, on more teams.. I think I would put Kittle over Carlos May... I think if Melton hadnt hurt his back,, he would of give Robin a run for his money---same with Pete Ward...Sherman Lollar was still there in 1962..Ray Herbert had a 20 game year in 1962...lots to pick from---to bad we got rid of Norm Cash,, Johnny Callison,, & John Romano or we could have had some more good ones....

Bobby Thigpen
07-18-2005, 09:31 PM
1b- Dick Allen
2b- Joey Cora
SS- Ozzie Guillen
3B- Robin Ventura
LF- Albert Belle- he was a richard, but he was a very good one
CF- Lance Johnson
RF- Magglio Ordonez
C- Carlton Fisk
DH- Frank Thomas

Starting Pitchers-
1. Jack McDowell
2. Mark Buerhle
3. Wilbur Wood
4. Alex Fernandez
5. Lamaar Hoyt- I know I had a different name here earlier- I meant Hoyt

Relief-
Barry Jones
Damaso Marte
Roberto Hernandez
Keith Foulke
Donn Pall
Bobby Thigpen- Closer

Bench
IF- Paul Konerko
IF- Ray Durham
OF- Ivan Calderon
OF- Ron Kittle
C- Ron Karkovice

And how in the name of God did I leave off Harold? Put him on the board!!!

StockdaleForVeep
07-18-2005, 09:54 PM
:ray
"Kid, ya ever seen me play? TOMMY CAN YA HEAR ME!?"

StockdaleForVeep
07-18-2005, 09:59 PM
Where's the teal? And how dare you leave off Cory Snyder...:smile:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/news/1999/06/24/twins_whitesox/t1_caruso_ap_01.jpg http://ism.infinityprosports.com/Uploads/15/MultimediaManager/99.jpeg.300.jpeg

::in unison:: what about us skip?

HITMEN OF 77
07-19-2005, 02:14 PM
Chuck Brinkman, Mike Andrews, Rick Reichardt, Nyls Nyman, Lowell Palmer, Luis Alverado, Johnny Jeter, Eddie Leon, Bill Sharp, Bill Stein, Skip Pitlock, Junior Moore and of course, Kevin Bell.

I didn`t put any positions as I feel any of these guys could play whatever position was needed.

Where is Gerry Janeski? Oh he must be your Starting pitcher?

SouthSideHitman
07-19-2005, 03:08 PM
RP - Eddie Fisher (You get the idea I like knuckleballers?)

Then where's Charlie Hough?

White Sox Josh
07-19-2005, 03:22 PM
Why isn't Jose Paniagua on this list?:D:

C: Carlton Fisk
1B: Frank Thomas
2B: Nellie Fox
3B: Robin Ventura
SS: Luis Aparicio
RF: Harold Baines
CF: Lance Johnson
LF: Albert Belle
DH: Greg Luzinski

SP1: Mark Buehrle
SP2: Wilbur Wood
SP3: Jack McDowell
SP4: Wilson Alvarez
SP5: Billy Pierce

RP: Damaso Marte
RP: Goose Gossage
RP: Hoyt Wilhelm
RP: Keith Foulke
RP: Roberto Hernandez
CL: Bobby Thigpen

IF: Greg Walker
IF: Ray Durham
OF: Ivan Calderon
OF: Ron Kittle
C: A.J. Pierzynski

ode to veeck
07-19-2005, 05:30 PM
Smokey Burgess as PH, Pods as PR


Does Minnie count as post '59, he certainly played at later enough dates :redneck